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Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
Rounds, and not splitting the bill, are fine so long as the participants are all reasonably well off (or all equally hard up). It can cause anxiety in those with less money if others in the group are insensitive with their ordering....I think it's an age (and lack of money thing). When poor I was watching every penny so I would be splitting things up and arguing - now i'm going to quickly grab and pay the bill to avoid the conversation.I don't mind someone else paying the whole bill. I don't even mind the other party doing the tip if I'm buying. I just *hate* the whole dividing up thing, especially 'who had this thing' conversations. Cringe. How can people ruin a good time like that?The funny thing is that I occupy both ends of that argument - there are people who I see who will always pay (although granted 3 of them are billionaires) and others where I always pay.Agreed.I like both paying in full and not paying at all. Worst, from an aesthetic and faff perspective, is divvying up. It's the worst sort of sterile centrism. But it's not 'beta'. That sort of alpha v beta trad-macho talk is one of the worst features of the online maga right. They think it's edgy and cool and a little bit transgressive, but it's a pile of old wank.I detest splitting the bill on any occasion. I just find it unspeakably crass. I have paid for dinner for six (including me) more than once to avoid it. Obviously if it's more than that my scruples have to bow to my bank balance.The only clip of him I've seen was some hackneyed trad-macho nonsense about "only beta guys split the bill on a date." He seemed like a bit of a dick tbh. But I guess that's no barrier to maga stardom.Kirk's exact words were: "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not." This was on Oct. 6, 2021. So over a year afterwards.Didn't know that but I'd have guessed it.Interestingly, Charlie Kirk himself called George Floyd a 'scumbag'.She's running...Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
@acyn.bsky.social
AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.
https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q
That doesn't seem unreasonable and well after the fact.
I believe a more legitimate criticism is he has brought up things in relation to the case that have been later found to be untrue e.g. one claim that went viral was the pregnant woman story, Floyd definitely threatened to kill a woman and held a gun to her stomach. It appears unproven if actually pregnant.
Given the 26 billion hours of Kirk debate footage it isn't surprising that you can find something you don't like. I only had a cursory knowledge of the guy, having watched some of the footage, I find it hard to agree with lots of his very "strict" takes on things.
Edit so as not to get cancelled - his murder was a terrible crime and a tragedy, no ifs or buts.
The rest of the time it's usually turn and turn about - especially for people who you see fairly frequently.
That then shifts the relationship into either the bill being paid in whole turn by turn or depending me continuing to pay (based on their finances and how much I like them)
MelonB
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Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
It's awful that 20 to 80 hostages are still being kept by Hamas, with the number Alice estimated at the lower end of the range, but there are that many civilians dying every day in Gaza from the war. The wellbeing of some unfortunate people can't completely override the wellbeing of many, many more unfortunate people.Hamas are still holding hostages. What measures are being taken to make them release them? Instead the government is rewarding them.Sir Keir Starmer is giving Hamas a “reward for terrorism” by recognising a Palestinian state, Kemi Badenoch has said.That would have been a fair point if it was done 18 months ago.
The Conservative leader said Sir Keir was “incapable of leading Britain on the world stage” and accused him of “economic self-sabotage” in the face of global threats by implementing net zero.
In an essay for The Telegraph on her foreign policy plans, Mrs Badenoch condemned the Government’s decision to recognise a Palestinian state in an attempt to put pressure on Israel for a ceasefire in Gaza.
She said the Conservatives would “never apologise for standing by Israel when it strikes back against terrorism” and accused Sir Keir of being “nice” to hostile foreign powers.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/19/badenoch-starmer-palestinian-state-rewards-terrorism/
It's been nearly 2 years since the horrendous Hamas attacks and Israel continues to collectively punish the people of Gaza. It's right that there are consequences for this. If anything, I'd argue recognising Palestine is too symbolic and more concrete measures should be taken against the current Israeli government.
The actions of Hamas do not give the Israeli government a blank cheque without consequence. It is not zero sum. Quiet diplomacy has clearly not worked, so it's past time we should stay taking stronger measures.
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Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
At the PB Northern Meeting I'll be joining your table.I detest splitting the bill on any occasion. I just find it unspeakably crass. I have paid for dinner for six (including me) more than once to avoid it. Obviously if it's more than that my scruples have to bow to my bank balance.The only clip of him I've seen was some hackneyed trad-macho nonsense about "only beta guys split the bill on a date." He seemed like a bit of a dick tbh. But I guess that's no barrier to maga stardom.Kirk's exact words were: "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not." This was on Oct. 6, 2021. So over a year afterwards.Didn't know that but I'd have guessed it.Interestingly, Charlie Kirk himself called George Floyd a 'scumbag'.She's running...Mm. I'm not saying she's wrong, but a right wing politician in 2020 who started a speech "Let's be clear who George Floyd was" might have found their career shortened somewhat. I'm not sure AOC is taking a route which might reassure the sort of voters whom the Dems have lost over the last decade.
@acyn.bsky.social
AOC: We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was. A man who believed that the civil rights act that granted black Americans the right to vote was a mistake… His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.
https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lz7bfj4map2q
That doesn't seem unreasonable and well after the fact.
I believe a more legitimate criticism is he has brought up things in relation to the case that have been later found to be untrue e.g. one claim that went viral was the pregnant woman story, Floyd definitely threatened to kill a woman and held a gun to her stomach. It appears unproven if actually pregnant.
Given the 26 billion hours of Kirk debate footage it isn't surprising that you can find something you don't like. I only had a cursory knowledge of the guy, having watched some of the footage, I find it hard to agree with lots of his very "strict" takes on things.
Edit so as not to get cancelled - his murder was a terrible crime and a tragedy, no ifs or buts.
Eabhal
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Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
Good stuff from Lord Austin:
https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1968985965596168248
'When Parliament and the BBC ignore the Government’s conclusion that genocide is not taking place, but give obsessive, wall-to-wall coverage to claims by the United Nations, they fuel hostility against the world’s only Jewish state and, in turn, against British Jews.
As Lord Austin rightly said, portraying Israel as uniquely evil drives antisemitism here in Britain, because Jews are overwhelmingly identified with Israel. That is why 70,000 people felt compelled to march with us outside the BBC and Parliament. This should be a source of profound shame for our legislators and our national broadcaster.'
Is this in part a consequence of the BBC merging its national and international news teams?
https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1968985965596168248
'When Parliament and the BBC ignore the Government’s conclusion that genocide is not taking place, but give obsessive, wall-to-wall coverage to claims by the United Nations, they fuel hostility against the world’s only Jewish state and, in turn, against British Jews.
As Lord Austin rightly said, portraying Israel as uniquely evil drives antisemitism here in Britain, because Jews are overwhelmingly identified with Israel. That is why 70,000 people felt compelled to march with us outside the BBC and Parliament. This should be a source of profound shame for our legislators and our national broadcaster.'
Is this in part a consequence of the BBC merging its national and international news teams?
Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
My favourite part of politics right now is, after years of complaining about 'cancel culture', the US right has proven itself to be the snowiest of snowflakes who want to cancel anyone who upsets them with their hurty words.
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Seagulls are just pigeons with ice cream and chips. Your ice cream and chips.Seagulls stir up passions. Try feeding one in Cornwall and see how the locals react.It's pigeons I hate, bloody winged rats.
Re: My 100/1 tip on Ed Miliband is looking good – politicalbetting.com
They don't.I am not sure anyone does. Health and social care costs are the bigger problem, too.Yes, but do Labour have the cojones to cut public sector pensions and the state pension?At some point though the markets will realise it's a Ponzi scheme everywhere. The UK could try to get ahead of things by fixing things now, especially as our demographic pressures, compared to some peers, are not actually that bad.Yes, the only thing keeping the markets away from a serious run on bond rates, is that most large developed economics are in similar positions.The markets just don't believe it's that bad, for whatever reason. I think there is an assumption that fiscal drag will continue, that health spending growth will slow, that the State Pension will be unlocked. All this stuff takes decades to have an impact though, so I think there is a boiling frog thing going - "don't worry, I'm sure the Treasury will deal with it next year".Defined benefit pension schemes needed a place to park their money for a long time which helped keep 30 year yields down. That upwards pressure on gilt prices has unwound substantially which is what has caused yields to rise here much faster than elsewhere. The holders of the UK's long term debt now has a much higher risk profile because it's bond investment funds and hedge funds rather than pension funds. The money is much more flighty than it used to be which is why I keep saying the same thing - this country is one adverse fiscal event away from a sovereign debt crisis.The OBR's projections for debt are absolutely catastrophic, and have been for some time (since about 2017 when they reflected how slow growth had been in the 2010s). Ultimately Labour's taxes and spending plans are immaterial compared with the overall picture - we're still miles off French/Scandi levels of tax for example.The OBR is not fit for purpose. As if they would ever forecast in good faith the reality of Labour's shit show.I'm shocked:Tax rises are eating into economic activity at a higher than expected rate. No fucking shit. Sometimes I wonder whether the people writing the models ever actually go outside and talk to people, experience real life a bit. I assume not.
https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/August-PSF-commentary.pdf
Local authority revisions and lower-than-expected receipts push borrowing above forecast
This morning’s ONS release estimates that borrowing in the first five months of 2025-26 totalled £83.8 billion. This is £16.2 billion above the same period last year and £11.4 billion above the monthly profile consistent with our March forecast. The overshoot in this month’s estimates compared to our March forecast profile is primarily due to revisions which have increased estimated borrowing by local authorities so far this year. In addition, VAT and other receipts were lower-than-expected in the month of August.
What's curious is that, given just how bad this is and for how long we have known it, why our borrowing costs are so low (relatively). If Max and the OBR are right, it should be nigh on impossible for the government to borrow over the long term.
I don't relish the thought, we just have to hope there is enough competency in the government to keep the plates spinning for long enough that we get a new one that will come in and cut spending like the Tories did in 2010.
It's also relative, no? Most other Western countries have a similar fiscal outlook to the UK, so as long as we're part of that pack well continue to attract investors as a relatively safe haven.
Everyone is now Japan circa 1999.
The unfortunate thing is that when cuts are eventually forced on us from outside, by our creditors, that will be considerably more painful that would be the case if we were to start right now actively addressing our debt situation, voluntarily.
Nigelb
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Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
No. Just charge me what the thing costs and pay the person serving appropriately. It's not the cost I object to, it's a fundamentally embarassing transaction. I don't like the implied superior/supplicant relationship. If you are comfortable with it I doubt you are truly British.I am going to complain about the people who complain about tipping. I tip if I have enough money (I don't always). Be good to the staff because one day that will be you."James TidmarshThe only thing worse than tipping is people complaining about tipping.
The tyranny of tipping
Why should I be expected to pay extra?"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/
Cookie
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Re: Joyous and civic update – politicalbetting.com
"James TidmarshWhile I agree with the sentiment, I don't really want to hear from the magazine who did a puff piece interview with Andrew Tate, a man currently charged, across two countries, with rape, sex with a minor, human trafficking, trafficking minors, forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women, money laundering, tax evasion, attempting to influence witnesses, and actual bodily harm.
The tyranny of tipping
Why should I be expected to pay extra?"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-tyranny-of-tipping/
Re: My 100/1 tip on Ed Miliband is looking good – politicalbetting.com
Good afternoonIm sorry for your wife's loss Big G. My condolences
Reading this thread is depressing as we see all that that was dear to us being challenged by extreme views that leave me cold and wondering how and when we may see a return to a more content and less divisive society but it is thought provoking that I do not expect it in my lifetime
My wife lost her dear cousin this morning in the north of Scotland and we are struggling to come to terms that we are unlikely to attend her funeral due to our own health issues
As you grow older you gain wisdom, but ageing does not come alone and I always say to follow your dreams and do not delay for we know not what comes along tomorrow


