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Re: The Same Mistakes. Again – politicalbetting.com
Off topic - my son works in retail. Today his place of work was robbed for the 4th time in as many weeks: on 3 occasions it's been shoplifters. Today it was a group of men in balaclavas with a van. My son tackled one of them and got some of the goods back. And yes he's been told - by me and others - not to do this because his safety and life are more important. But he finds it infuriating because even in leafy Hampstead crime is out of control. His bike has been stolen 3 times in 3 years. That's in addition to the brake levers, wheels and axle being taken on other occasions. Tesco is regularly robbed. Now his place of work. Etc.,. And the police are completely uninterested.
This cannot go on. Security staff can't do anything. CCTV is there but is no use if no-one investigates.
This cannot go on. Security staff can't do anything. CCTV is there but is no use if no-one investigates.
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https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1988367628730352010
Starmer’s allies briefed against a leadership plot to try to smoke it out - but that briefing exploded the question of his leadership. So instead of smoking out a plot, Starmer actually set fire to himself - so in effect he has moved against himself to take himself out as leader
Starmer’s allies briefed against a leadership plot to try to smoke it out - but that briefing exploded the question of his leadership. So instead of smoking out a plot, Starmer actually set fire to himself - so in effect he has moved against himself to take himself out as leader
Re: The Same Mistakes. Again – politicalbetting.com
I've never read such garbage and waffle in my life. Too many people liking the sound of their own voiceYou really should read back most of what you write Roger.
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Stig Abell talking to John Pienaar on Times Radio this afternoon said there is overwhelming support for keeping the two child benefit cap:
Support 60%, Oppose 24% (presumably Don't Know 16%)
This is the first time I have ever heard anybody on any TV or radio station state this.
In every report I've ever heard on the subject reporters have just assumed everyone will favour more generous handouts.
This is Badenoch's big chance. Immediately after the Budget she and every Conservative spokesman has to repeat over and over again in every single interview:
"Your income tax is going up to pay increased benefits to people with more than two children."
It will cut through - because it's something everyone can very easily understand.
Support 60%, Oppose 24% (presumably Don't Know 16%)
This is the first time I have ever heard anybody on any TV or radio station state this.
In every report I've ever heard on the subject reporters have just assumed everyone will favour more generous handouts.
This is Badenoch's big chance. Immediately after the Budget she and every Conservative spokesman has to repeat over and over again in every single interview:
"Your income tax is going up to pay increased benefits to people with more than two children."
It will cut through - because it's something everyone can very easily understand.
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So we might not get stung by the waspis?As far as I can see, this is just an official reaction to some new legal guidance. It doesn't mean that they're actually going to pay anything (I think?).Waspi to be reconsidered 😂😂😂😂😂Oh for crying out loud!! Let's give everyone in the country a billion quid while we're at it so we can get the country's bankruptcy over and done with before Xmas.
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Re: The Same Mistakes. Again – politicalbetting.com
https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1988274649830928799?s=46Schrödinger's prisoner; until you open the cell you don't know if he's there or not.
BREAKING:
David Lammy admits that another prisoner may have been released in error **last week** on November 3. The prison service is investigating. Amazingly it doesn't actually know if the prisoner is still at large
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Excellent article as always from Cyclefree.
Number 3 is important and worth highlighting. If the devil catches you with your pants down, you can't claim innocence by attacking the devil.
The 'sinister Reform/Boris Johnson/far right/Jewish Chronicle/etc (delete where appropriate) agenda within the BBC board' argument is only relevant to this particular matter if Robbie Gibb himself edited the Panorama footage, promoted Stonewall talking points as gospel, and ordered BBC Arabic to favour Hamas. Otherwise the original criticisms need to be addressed.
I want the BBC to survive as a national broadcaster. I pay the licence fee and am happy to continue to do so. I value its output and consider it a national asset. But to keep its status it needs to meet certain standards.
Number 3 is important and worth highlighting. If the devil catches you with your pants down, you can't claim innocence by attacking the devil.
The 'sinister Reform/Boris Johnson/far right/Jewish Chronicle/etc (delete where appropriate) agenda within the BBC board' argument is only relevant to this particular matter if Robbie Gibb himself edited the Panorama footage, promoted Stonewall talking points as gospel, and ordered BBC Arabic to favour Hamas. Otherwise the original criticisms need to be addressed.
I want the BBC to survive as a national broadcaster. I pay the licence fee and am happy to continue to do so. I value its output and consider it a national asset. But to keep its status it needs to meet certain standards.
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@Benpointer is I am sorry to say talking nonsense because he has done what so many organisations do: formed his opinion (a right wing attack) without any regard to the underlying facts relevant to the criticisms. Also he thinks only an employee can be a whistleblower. Not true.The so-called defences, that @Cyclefree are disallowing, are the generic bullshit reactions of organisations trying to shrug off problems.Cyclefree lists a bunch of things she's not really going to allow in defence of the BBC. Well that's like charging someone with a crime and then saying we're not allowing any of the usual defences like an alibi, CCTV, DNA evidence, witness statements, lack of motivation or opportunity, etc.Classic attacking the messenger there. Basically there are far too many people on here who either believe the BBC can do no wrong or, if they do wrong it is only against people you don't like anyway do it doesn’t matter.I'm reminded of a comment made by a Private Eye hack that many newspaper corrections add to the inaccuracy of the newspaper publishing the correction. (Yes, that seems paradoxical, but consider that the correction will be steered by one participant in the story.)Yes agreed. The Panorama edit was poor but hardly a 'phone-hacking' level crime. You'd think maybe a retraction and apology would be in order.Sadly it is, without doubt, “an attack by those with an agenda.”True- though that doesn't mean that the criticisms are wrong, or even silly. (Though some, like the 'where was the balancing documentary on what's bad about Harris?' surely were.)
This is not some staff member within the organisation whistleblowing.
Those who can't see that it's part of a concerted cultural attack by the right just don't want to see.
I suspect that the Prescott report, by highlighting certain imbalances that some people see in BBC coverage, is having much the same effect.
You are just another bunch of apologists for your own special interests and it is amusing that you end up using many of the excuses Cyclefree highlights in her excellent article.
Just because @Cyclefree has listed them in a pre-emptive strike, it doesn't invalidate genuinely important points. Indeed most of her headlines have some validity in this case.
Most of all this was without doubt: 3. An attack by those with an agenda.
Sorry, Timmy, you can't use "The Dog Ate My Homework" as an excuse.
What I have set out are not in any sense "defences". They are the very common reactions to criticisms. They are hopeless. The best defence is evidence which shows the criticism to be wrong. That is precisely what the BBC is not doing. It is being its own worst enemy by not engaging properly with the criticisms and either accepting them, where valid, and putting matters right or explaining why they are wrong. It is a great pity.
As for having an agenda: all whistleblowers and complainants have an agenda. But an investigator who allows that agenda to stop them investigating properly is a very bad one indeed. An organisation who does that is an organisation in denial. That is their agenda and it is a harmful one.
I cannot assess the validity of the Prescott criticisms. Some seem a little overblown; others much more serious. The Trump Panorama one seems to my mind less serious than some of the others. The conflict of interest determining how women's rights should be discussed is much more serious both because it has been longer lasting but also because such conflicts are always by definition more serious and harder to resolve. It is notable that it is the one area which the BBC and many of its defenders have ignored in their responses. What's the agenda there?
I wrote this as a critical friend. It pains me to see organisations make such a hash of their responses to problems like this. It is not hard to get it right. It is so easy to get it wrong and it shouldn't be because so much should have been learnt from others. And there are lots of people who could help them get it right professionally. But too many organisations are too arrogant, stupid or panicky to realise that they need help. And so we see the shitshow we've been seeing in the last few days.
And those who will do anything to destroy the best of the BBC will get their chance. It is so important to distinguish between the destroyers and critical friends. The BBC needs critical friends right now. The John Simpsons and others are not being critical friends. They are reinforcing the impression of an arrogant aloof organisation which thinks it knows best. It is a great pity.
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Sadly it is, without doubt, “an attack by those with an agenda.”
This is not some staff member within the organisation whistleblowing.
Those who can't see that it's part of a concerted cultural attack by the right just don't want to see.
This is not some staff member within the organisation whistleblowing.
Those who can't see that it's part of a concerted cultural attack by the right just don't want to see.
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One person's "independent, thorough" inquiry is another's Lefty whitewash. And a third's evidence of capture by shadowy right wing forces.I very much agree. Those three letters we learn as teenagers, "wrt", "with respect to". Impartiality per se is as preposterous a concept as differentiation or integration but omitting "with respect to". We all have a bias with respect to our lived experience. Just because each of us is quite rightly the whole centre of our own universe does not make any of us the centre of the Universe as a whole
There isn't objectivity in news reporting. Only awareness of one's own biases and a sincere attempt to mitigate them.
Or a blithe lack of it.



