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Incredible how thin skinned the Trump-Vance canal seem to be. I think I’ve probably watched that video about 5 times now and I’m left with the feeling they really can’t stomach even the slightest bit of criticism. They love to give it, but they forbid getting it back. Free speech fans that they are.

Or rather, they can’t stomach criticism from what they consider to be their inferiors and supplicants. They would sit rigid with Cheshire Cat smiles if Putin or Lavrov started publicly berating them.

Vance in particular thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and will brook no argument. He was probably sitting there speculating on whether his IQ was higher than Zelenskyy’s.

They are thin skinned. The MAGA movement is full of very brittle, bristling individuals who think they are very clever and have the world all worked out. As a result they become apoplectic when someone lifts the curtain and politely challenges them on some of their delusions.

Reposted from the end of the previous thread.

My take on Spatgate is that I don’t think there was a deliberate plan by anyone to sabotage the meeting. What happened was the result of thin skinned egotists losing it.

After about 30 mins the meeting which has been largely cordial is wrapping up. Vance makes a point targeted against Biden. Says Biden’s chest thumping didn’t stop Putin invading Ukraine. Vance says Trump has the answers - diplomacy (= dialogue) and dealing with Putin.

Z addresses Vance somewhat confrontationally. Makes the point that dealing with Putin doesn’t work. A deal was struck with Putin in 2022 and Putin went back on the deal. Z concludes to V “JD what kind of diplomacy you are speaking about? What do you mean?”

Vance is riled. He feels challenged by Z who is effectively saying Vance is wrong. Diplomacy doesn’t work with Putin.

Vance loses his cool. He is angry that Z has publicly disagreed with his one significant contribution to the meeting, challenging him in front of the whole world. He finds it disrespectful and petulantly reacts saying Zelensky is ungrateful. He raises his voice, points his finger, accuses Z of criticising America, says Ukraine is struggling in its war effort and calls Z disrespectful.

Z does not accept Vance’s portrayal of Ukraine struggling. Warns America that Putin could come for them next and that they will feel the influence (threat) of Russia

Trump - triggered initially by Vance saying Z is disrespecting America is further triggered by Z telling America what it feels and it all kicks off.

Vance pours oil onto the fire challenging Z by asking him if he has even thanked America for its help. Takes him to task for “campaigning for the Democrats in Pennsylvania”

It then further escalates.

Conclusion. Z was perhaps unwise to publicly challenge Vance’s “diplomacy thesis”. Vance felt belittled by this and reacted calling Z disrespectful and ungrateful. Trump was triggered by Vance and further triggered by Z forecasting America would in the future also fell threatened by Russia. Trump and Vance both lose it.

Reposted from the end of the previous thread.

My take on Spatgate is that I don’t think there was a deliberate plan by anyone to sabotage the meeting. What happened was the result of thin skinned egotists losing it.

After about 30 mins the meeting which has been largely cordial is wrapping up. Vance makes a point targeted against Biden. Says Biden’s chest thumping didn’t stop Putin invading Ukraine. Vance says Trump has the answers - diplomacy (= dialogue) and dealing with Putin.

Z addresses Vance somewhat confrontationally. Makes the point that dealing with Putin doesn’t work. A deal was struck with Putin in 2022 and Putin went back on the deal. Z concludes to V “JD what kind of diplomacy you are speaking about? What do you mean?”

Vance is riled. He feels challenged by Z who is effectively saying Vance is wrong. Diplomacy doesn’t work with Putin.

Vance loses his cool. He is angry that Z has publicly disagreed with his one significant contribution to the meeting, challenging him in front of the whole world. He finds it disrespectful and petulantly reacts saying Zelensky is ungrateful. He raises his voice, points his finger, accuses Z of criticising America, says Ukraine is struggling in its war effort and calls Z disrespectful.

Z does not accept Vance’s portrayal of Ukraine struggling. Warns America that Putin could come for them next and that they will feel the influence (threat) of Russia

Trump - triggered initially by Vance saying Z is disrespecting America is further triggered by Z telling America what it feels and it all kicks off.

Vance pours oil onto the fire challenging Z by asking him if he has even thanked America for its help. Takes him to task for “campaigning for the Democrats in Pennsylvania”

It then further escalates.

Conclusion. Z was perhaps unwise to publicly challenge Vance’s “diplomacy thesis”. Vance felt belittled by this and reacted calling Z disrespectful and ungrateful. Trump was triggered by Vance and further triggered by Z forecasting America would in the future also fell threatened by Russia. Trump and Vance both lose it.

Nope I disagree. I have also watched it from the start and it was obvious that Trump was annoyed - I assume because Zelensky had made it clear there would be no minerals deal without security guarantees.

Vance was obviously there as part of the ambush and the whole aim of the press conference was to belittle Zelensky for having had the audacity to challenge Trump.

I woke up this morning and read PB's entire hysterical thread, and presumed the press conference had ended with J D Vance shoving Nebraska's largest steel pineapple up Zelenskyyyy's butt, as Trump applauded with the specially-invited ghost of Stalin chortling alongside

What rot

I've just watched the whole thing

Zelensky is a bold brave bastard - or afraid of being offed - or, quite probably, both - but either way Zelensky misreads the room. Yes, he is provoked by stupid questions - the daft query about his suit is absurdly egregious - but Z gets angry - feeling he's not being taken seriously about Putin - and he starts lecturing Vance. J D Vance does NOT start the mano a mano stuff - Zelensky does. Zelensky starts the bickering. Then Zelensky continues his sharp, hectoring tone, and Trump loses his temper like a Mafia don being dissed by an unmade man, and then it all falls apart and all the ill-feeling between them (Hunter Biden, Z supporting the Dems, the sassytempt?) spills out into public viewing

The PB interpretation of this is ridiculous

LOL. World of your own.

And your constant references to PB being hysterical from the most hysterical poster ever just shows how detached from reality you are.