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NEW: Home secretary Shabana Mahmood urges pro-Palestine protesters to consider not taking part in marches this weekend.

"Imagine if you lost a loved one to a terror attack in this country ... sometimes a little unity, a little solidarity, some love to other people is required"

https://bsky.app/profile/kevinschofied.bsky.social/post/3m2biudwwps22

As someone was nailed to a tree for saying, the only way things like this stop escalating is someone stepping back from the anger one feels entitled to.

I don't think that's smart actually. She's by implication equating protesting Gaza with intimidating the Jewish community. That might be what it feels like for British Jews but it certainly isn't what (most) protestors consider themselves to be doing.

This is the same Labour government locking people up for wearing t-shirts, and continues to support Netanyahu's government with arms sales. They have no credibility whatsoever in that part of our society and I suspect the protests will continue over the weekend - perhaps with more vigour.

I think it pretty dumb of her. Protesting the genocide and starvation in Gaza has nothing to do with events in Manchester.

Not that I will be protesting this weekend for anyone.

I see that Hamas are the only “genocide” victims in history who have decided to keep the “genocide” ongoing.

Conflating Hamas and all Gazans is no different to conflating the IDF with all Jews.

Hamas are the elected government of Gaza. What the IDF is doing is no different to the British Army invading Germany to end WW2. This whole genocide narrative is a total nonsense. Hamas started this war and somehow they are now the victims. The IDF isn’t perfect but they give civilians and other non combatants much more quarter than Hamas or even Russia does but I don’t see Greta trying to break the blockade of Crimea.

Israel are the nice safe baddies. It’s okay to hate them and to prod them because ultimately you will be treated well, given a sandwich, and flown back to Europe.

Some bonkers comments on here last night, of which @Big_G_NorthWales was not one of them.

"Antifa" is bonkers. Its an idea, not a terrorist organisation. I am antifa. But Big G is quoting someone important mentioning it - which makes it relevant to post on here.

What else did we have. "every sane Patriotic Brit" have to vote for Farage - Mr Russia who went to American demanding economic sanctions on us.

A "civil war" if Reform win the election or "eventual islamic takeover" if they don't. Riiiiiiiiight.

This forum is a microcosm of the real world. We have representatives from most elements of real world politics. And we need to try switching off and back on again as everyone has lost it.

Calm down. The “every sane patriotic Brit” remark was me having a giraffe. I know it winds up the Centrist Duds

For a start, you could ALSO vote for Advance

If you’d have suggested, fifty or sixty years ago, that London would have a Muslim mayor, entire neighbourhoods in big cities would be almost entirely Muslim, churches were disappearing but mosques were increasing, and there were half a dozen MPs elected solely on the back of a bloc of Islamic votes, they’d have called you an absolute loon who was scaremongering. And that’s not to mention 7/7, Lee Rigby, Manchester Arena etc

But that is where we are, and it’s regarded as completely normal. Actually it’s considered offensive to criticise, or even to merely point it out.

So why would it be odd if we were governed by an Islamic party or the country became majority Muslim in another fifty years or so? The demographics are pointing in that direction. Things change, they have already are are continuing to do so

Also: that white Britons would become a minority in their own capital city. Ditto Manchester and other cities

Unthinkable NF race-baiting 50 years ago. Now a fact

We've already covered the White Britons in London ambiguity part extensively, though. White anglo/celts are probably a minority in London, whereas White Britons probably aren't, due to the government still not clarifying the census categories correctly.

“In London, the 2021 UK Census showed that about 37% of Londoners identified as “White: English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British” — that’s the classic “White British” category”

And that is BEFORE the Boriswave. The percentage will be notably lower, now

As we've discussed extensively on this, British is a civic category dating to 1707, not an ethnicity. A large number of white and British Londoners are not putting that on the census, because they think it means only english or celtic.

What a load of obfuscating bollocks. We can only go by self ID. Unless you want to go out and do the pencil test on everyone

In the 2021 census white Britons - self identified - constituted 37% of Londoners. And, given the speed of the fall since 1990 and the advent of the Boriswave, that number will be even lower now, and still falling

It’s called “white flight”. It happened to American cities and now it’s happening - very fast - in European cities

You need to clarify the categories first, before making the descriptions. In recent censuses, hundreds of thousands of people in London who are likely British citizens have put themselves down as "white irish", for instance.

That's even before the huge number of Britons of Continental origin here, many of them born in Britain.

London in the 2021 census:

White 53.8%
White British 36.8%
Irish 1.8%
Gypsy/Traveller 0.1%
Roma 0.4%
White Other 14.7%

Asian/Asian British 20.8%
Indian 7.5%
Pakistani 3.3%
Bangladeshi 3.7%
Chinese 1.7%
Other Asian 4.6%

Black/Black British 13.5%
African 7.9%
Caribbean 3.9%
Other Black 1.7%

Mixed/British Mixed 5.7%
White and Black Caribbean 1.5%
White and Black African 0.9%
White and Asian 1.4%
Other Mixed 1.9%

Other 6.3%
Arab 1.6%
Any other 4.7%

These are ethnicity categorisations, not nationalities, so most of those people who have ticked Indian are British citizens.

Thus, overall, the biggest ethnic group by far remains White British, with White Other (which is mostly EU immigrants) second and African third.

By religion, the 2021 census found: Christianity (41%), no religion/atheism (27%), Islam (15%), no response given (7%), Hinduism (5%), Judaism (2%), Sikhism (2%), Buddhism (1%) and others (1%).

And I love it, I love London and Londoners.

Just had fantastic service at A&E, seen, analysed, x-rayed and assessed in an hour.

Wanted to post about a very interesting seminar I went to yesterday as some very interesting approaches coming in relation to property and stable coin. An incredibly interesting day for even a Luddite like me.

Also v interesting about the regulation issues globally - never thought I would find regulation talks so interesting.

Will post what I can later when I stop vomming from pain and although limited what I can say about yesterday it was perfect timing with the BOE volte face on digital currencies.

Hope you feel better soon.

My recent NHS experience was also good - in part. It took me a few weeks to get a referral to the hospital (I think due to my GP not actually requesting one at first...(*)), but when it finally came the referral was for a week's time. I was seen yesterday with only a ten-minute wait past the scheduled time, they took five x-rays, and I got basic results from my GP this morning.

(*) Though I think the GP might have been dissuaded by the following conversation:
"So you've dislocated your shoulder, and your elbow is hurting."
"Yes."
"And you're in pain."
"Yes."
"But you've done two triathlons since."
"Yes."
"Despite being in pain?"
My wife: "Yes, but that's the sort of stupid thing he does..."

(GP shrugs and sends the request to /dev/null)

I’m currently in Emergency Surgery, at Luton & Dunstable, after a bad accident, and they have been outstanding. This is the second occasion they’ve saved my life (the first being appendicitis in 2013).

Saved your life ??
Blimey.

I hope you're out of danger now, and make a speedy recovery.

Just had fantastic service at A&E, seen, analysed, x-rayed and assessed in an hour.

Wanted to post about a very interesting seminar I went to yesterday as some very interesting approaches coming in relation to property and stable coin. An incredibly interesting day for even a Luddite like me.

Also v interesting about the regulation issues globally - never thought I would find regulation talks so interesting.

Will post what I can later when I stop vomming from pain and although limited what I can say about yesterday it was perfect timing with the BOE volte face on digital currencies.

Hope you feel better soon.

My recent NHS experience was also good - in part. It took me a few weeks to get a referral to the hospital (I think due to my GP not actually requesting one at first...(*)), but when it finally came the referral was for a week's time. I was seen yesterday with only a ten-minute wait past the scheduled time, they took five x-rays, and I got basic results from my GP this morning.

(*) Though I think the GP might have been dissuaded by the following conversation:
"So you've dislocated your shoulder, and your elbow is hurting."
"Yes."
"And you're in pain."
"Yes."
"But you've done two triathlons since."
"Yes."
"Despite being in pain?"
My wife: "Yes, but that's the sort of stupid thing he does..."

(GP shrugs and sends the request to /dev/null)

I’m currently in Emergency Surgery, at Luton & Dunstable, after a bad accident, and they have been outstanding. This is the second occasion they’ve saved my life (the first being appendicitis in 2013).

Sending best wishes for a full and speedy recovery at the L&D.

Just had fantastic service at A&E, seen, analysed, x-rayed and assessed in an hour.

Wanted to post about a very interesting seminar I went to yesterday as some very interesting approaches coming in relation to property and stable coin. An incredibly interesting day for even a Luddite like me.

Also v interesting about the regulation issues globally - never thought I would find regulation talks so interesting.

Will post what I can later when I stop vomming from pain and although limited what I can say about yesterday it was perfect timing with the BOE volte face on digital currencies.

Hope you feel better soon.

My recent NHS experience was also good - in part. It took me a few weeks to get a referral to the hospital (I think due to my GP not actually requesting one at first...(*)), but when it finally came the referral was for a week's time. I was seen yesterday with only a ten-minute wait past the scheduled time, they took five x-rays, and I got basic results from my GP this morning.

(*) Though I think the GP might have been dissuaded by the following conversation:
"So you've dislocated your shoulder, and your elbow is hurting."
"Yes."
"And you're in pain."
"Yes."
"But you've done two triathlons since."
"Yes."
"Despite being in pain?"
My wife: "Yes, but that's the sort of stupid thing he does..."

(GP shrugs and sends the request to /dev/null)

I’m currently in Emergency Surgery, at Luton & Dunstable, after a bad accident, and they have been outstanding. This is the second occasion they’ve saved my life (the first being appendicitis in 2013).

Shocked to read this Sean.

Hope you're ok.