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This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

Can this be translated into English ?

Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.

More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

Oh well.

The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.

The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.

If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.

This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.

Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.

I've just realised that your response is in fact the perfect encapsulation of my description of the 'centrist mindset'.
Unspoofable.

Does 'centrist' just mean skeptical of populist nonsense now?

This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery

Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.

This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.

I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.

And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.

Youve sold out.

Youre now one of the snobs

Not all working class are racists. Not even all working class are anti-immigrant. THey are a vocal minority in every 'class'.

Remember it was the working class of London and other cities who stood against Mosely then later the BNP. There is nothing 'working class' about being racist. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the middle and upper class wannabe big shots are the ones using anti-immigration rhetoric as a tool to incite the working classes and pretend it is the answer to all their genuine problems. Just as Trump used immigration and ;protectionism as a tool to galvanise the working classes in America when actually the issues are far deeper than that.