The last sentence is absolutely key. The US has not funded NATO for the last 80 years out of the goodness of its heart, it's because it has allowed the US to set the rules. That has delivered huge material benefits to the US, far outweighing the costs. On its own, the US is a huge and incredibly wealthy market, but alone it cannot support the ambitions and needs of its commercial and financial sectors. Pax Americana was a boon to them. Pax Europa, if it happens, will inevitably cost them dear.I would like to see Europe get its shit together in the next 24 hours.I mean I've only seen the highlights but surely Trump is simply taking a side in one of the oldest and most difficult dilemmas. What is worth giving up to stop the killing.Yes, he’s decided that giving up Ukraine is worth it to stem the expense to the US.
Why is dealing with that impossible question so reprehensible.
We see it in aid all the time (enable/support the tyrants to get food to the citizens..)
The democratically elected government of Ukraine - along with the opposition, judging by their public comments yesterday, disagree.
Chuck into the mix Europe’s future security, which the US has apparently decided is no longer a matter for them, then a polite no thanks is in order.
No skin in the game, no say.
All that, of course, is predicated on Europe getting its shit together over the next few days and weeks.
The billions the UK promised yesterday are a good start.
Lets show the Americans we can help defeat Russia with or without them - but if its without them, they don't get a say in what happens afterwards.
Evolution teaches us if you back far enough you share a common ancestor with your dog. Fido’s great, great,…, great grandmother is your great, great,…, great grandmother.We all have the same pedigree, chum.
Food for thought.
I'd suggest 2^6 and see how long he leaves it.Leon banned?The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.
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Leon banned?The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.
Correct. It's a very well known problem, that we already encountered a year or more ago with Storm Shadow, with Biden saying "not over Russia". There were reports in summer 2024 about how the US was refusing to allow its capabilities, which were needed, to be used.I literally posted exactly this with regard to Five Eyes earlier this afternoon. A repeat of the same posting I made yesterday.If in a deal from talks, Putin doesn’t sign such a deal, so the war goes on. The only deal Putin will sign is a deal leaving a weak and exposed Ukraine his country can interfere with.What happens, if U.K. and France form a security alliance that includes a bunch of European states and Ukraine? Complete with a nuclear guarantee.I disagree, I’m the other way. There is absolutely no way Putin will agree to allow what’s left of Ukraine to join NATO, will never sign anything allowing that, so Starmer and Europe are locked on course to selling out Ukraine. Wave after wave of talks will fall on the question of NATO membership until Starmer and Europe will insist Ukraine cuts a deal that will never be justified or fair, in order to make the war stop.Starmer is all in.I am going to stick my neck out and say that he will honour his pledge. I don't like Starmer or his politics but I think he has a brain and he also has a moral code. I am going to do something very rare and trust him to be doing the right thing for the right reasons.
No way to back out of this now.
He'll have to resign if he ends up somehow having to dump Zelensky for Trump's Putinist USA.
These are the highest of stakes a PM gets to play.
UK Prime Minister
@10DowningStreet
The UK will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes.
https://x.com/10DowningStreet/status/1895950498576154630
Of course on all other matters my normal cynicism is maintained but in this instance I think he is genuine.
There is no “win win” or lasting peace option from where it is now, so all hugs in Downing Street and elsewhere in Europe have to be seen as ultimately leading to that betrayal and an unfair deal for Ukraine forced on them. that in itself will set the precedent sovereign borders can be redrawn, that will be music to the Kremlin’s ears.
The security guarantees you suggest outside of negotiated deal? To be honest, UK and France won’t sign that, or anything with security guarantees from them that could easily trigger a bigger crisis than this one, drag them into this or a larger conflict. If I’m right, then yes, all these hugs are very short termist and very hollow.
How would you answer the question of how independent is the UK nuclear deterrent, to be able to commit it as you suggest? All the Chagos investigation I have been doing, has left me with impression UK defence and security is so very much woven in with the US. UK has down the decades become locked and interlocked with US on defence and intelligence, I think it is in part what has led us to the Chagos Deal US and India want us to sign, and leaves a genuine question how quickly UK could untangle itself from US and become independent, if it really needed to. If I am right in that as well, we have to acknowledge the part it plays in all Whitehall decisions taken.
I don’t see any posts to PB taking into account how deeply UK is in bed with US on military technology and intelligence, and acknowledging the huge impact this has on political decision making.
That’s true. I know that because some lawyers contacted me to confirm that I am Kevin’s direct heir. I thought I would be quids in, but all I inherited was a can of primordial soup.Evolution teaches us if you back far enough you share a common ancestor with your dog. Fido’s great, great,…, great grandmother is your great, great,…, great grandmother.We can all trace our ancestry back to an amoeba called Kevin.
Food for thought.
A small nation standing up to a dictator is pretty much the origin myth of the British people.Zelenskyy is apparently going to meet King Charles tomorrow . I’m really pleased about that and good to see Starmer pushing the boat out to make Zelenskyy feel loved which is true of how the vast majority of Brits feel about him .Hopefully the vast majority of British people don't feel anything so nauseatingly un-British.