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Re: Last in, first out? – politicalbetting.com
Railway station.When I had just turned 10, to go to school I would walk to my local train station (Strawberry Hill in South West London), and catch a train towards Waterloo. I would get off at Vauxhall, walk to a bus stop, and catch the 2b bus over Vauxhall Bridge. I would leave for school at 740am, catch the 750am train, and make it to school at about 840am.I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.Yep.
So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.
No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
And why oh why do they never play out?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html
It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.
That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.
*it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
I had no cell phone, and if I needed to reach my parents to tell them about problems with the travel, I had a 10 pence coin for a pay phone.
I would very much have like to have given my children the same responsibility and freedom, but my wife was very much opposed.
We tend to think the streets much more dangerous than they actually are.
Re: Trump is turning into Liz Truss but with more dictatorial behaviour – politicalbetting.com
A nation can have absolute sovereignty, if it really wants. But it's the sovereignty of a teenager who has stormed off to their room and slammed the door. The absolute sovereignty of North Korea, say.All things are possible! The point with all of it is there is almost always a counterparty to negotiate with.No one has ever said fixing this would be easy and done in a day. But the bleating from the left says “this is legally and humanly impossible” - which is ridiculousThere is huge public support for the GFA in Ireland and you need them to be willing to re-negotiate that. You’d have to do that before the UK could leave the ECHR otherwise you’d breach the GFA and the EU UK trade agreement.As always I am interested in the detail.According to big Dom the Royal Navy was quite prepared to tow back the small boats to France - the plan was up and running - they were happy to do it. Defending our seas is, after all, their one and only jobNot quibbling - genuinely curious. It's been an interesting watch - Farage credited the Blair government repeatedly for deporting people at speed.OK, so the Reform "Operation Restoring Justice" headlines:Uninsured doesn't matter as the MoD carries the risk on military registered aircraft. Civil/military makes no difference if they aren't cleared for traffic or landing.
Detain & Deport "absolutely everyone arriving legally" with no admissible asylum claim and a lifetime ban from the UK
Leave the ECHR and all international treaties (UN Torture etc)
Create a UK Migration Command to coordinate all agencies data to find people who have gone to ground
Detain until deportation
Return agreements with all countries - we leverage our power by withholding visas and applying sanctions
Find a 3rd country to send undocumented / unreturnable. Discuss with Albania, Rwanda and others
Putting it simply, Parliament is sovereign. We can pass any law we like in our own borders. It becomes a problem when we try and bring those laws into practice.
I see three major barriers and all are operational:
1. Detain until Deportation. The "patriots" will not allow anywhere to be used for this purpose. Nor will staff be easy to find - unless the job is to employ the "patriots"
2. The flights. Yusuf said there would be an RAF Voyager on hot standby to fill in for an unavailable commercial plane. But if the UK has abrogated all international treaties, the flights would both be illegal and uninsurable. So unless the UK government is going to operate all flights they won't happen - and then they are military flights which countries do not have to just accept. If we are sovereign, so are they.
3. Yusuf describes how hard it is to "count the uncountable". We don't know how many and therefore who they are and where they are. Farage states we would have Border Force squads lifting people - which will cause chaos. The operational issue is that so many of the "illegals" that FukU supporters want to deport aren't illegal...
AirTanker still have 2 x Voyager leased to Jet2 that they can recall so they would have substantial capacity. The deportation racket should have been 100% RAF run anyway. Much simpler.
Quibbling over the details misses the point anyway. Your average racist chav, ie Fukker voter, just sees a plan and a commitment to action. The British state certainly has the means to do mass deportations if it has the will which it currently does not.
I have little doubt that this would have to be an RAF operation because they won't find aircraft otherwise. Why not just say so? Does it create issues with the counterparty government we're sending people to?
It was the politicians who got nervous and then the human rights lawyers exploited their nerves
All this “uninsurable” stuff is total gibberish. Also: What the F do you know you’re a north Scottish part time Tesla reviewer who believes in ghosts
If we want to deport, we can deport. Enough of this spinelessness
We can pass any law we like. We can't compel an airline to carry deportees. Insurance was a live issue when Sunak tried to organise a Rwanda flight, so we know it is an issue.
And what the F do you know, if that's your line? About insurance for airlines and aircraft leasing, specifically.This is nonsense. The protests about migration in Ireland are, relatively, even fiercer than hereIt's not the Protocol the ECHR is in but the Good Friday Agreement, which is an international treaty. If Farage wants to dump that, well, its a view I suppose. I just remember the status quo ante and am not that thrilled with the idea of round 2. Specifically:The backlash against mass third world migration is becoming as loud in Ireland as it is here. If the John Lennon no-borders types think a second version of the Northern Ireland Protocol will maintain their cosy status quo, I fear they will be disappointed.OK this is interesting. Farage admitting that the ECHR is embedded into the Good Friday Agreement and that the required renegotiation of that won't be "quick". Does that mean that we can't do any of this without it? Because unless we quit ECHR and the UN treaties none of this is legal.I expect Farage will just withdraw from the ECHR no matter the consequences
He is following the Trump playbook
- Section 2 of Strand One: This section commits the British and Irish governments to incorporating the ECHR into the law of Northern Ireland and ensuring that relevant rights are protected.
- The Agreement explicitly states that “the European Convention on Human Rights…shall apply in Northern Ireland”, and both governments commit to “take the necessary steps to ensure that the relevant rights are protected in law.” For the ECRH to apply in NI it has to be part of a country that is a signatory to the ECHR. You can't sign it for only part of your territory.
While there are some protests about migration in Ireland they are nowhere near as loud as here and any protests against renegotiating or dumping the GFA, or restricting the open border, will, I can assure you, be exponentially bigger.
The Irish regularly burn down asylum seeker housing. They had huge riots in Dublin on this issue. And it’s only getting worse
It is highly likely the Irish would be keen to tighten human rights laws on this subject. Because it threatens the peace in the south
All it requires is political will
Farage - like Starmer and Sunak and especially Boris! before him - is offering crayon solutions. "its all very simple", "we just do it" etc etc. The only chink in that argument was when he was asked about the GFA and he said it won't be easy and it won't be quick.
Here is the problem. The UK exiting the ECHR junks the GFA. We *could* choose to do that - with consequences. After all we would be junking so many other treaties would it matter some will ask? But yes, it matters because Norniron is part of the UK.
Same with the other "oh we'll just do x" points. Great! How? Specifics matter because they are the things that stop you from just doing x.
Once you interact with the rest of the world, that sovereignty is always diluted. And that dilution is generally worth it.
Re: Trump is turning into Liz Truss but with more dictatorial behaviour – politicalbetting.com
That is the part that concerns me. I have for a long time on here warned not of Farage, but of what comes after Farage fails.In the end who cares. It’s four years from the electionAll things are possible! The point with all of it is there is almost always a counterparty to negotiate with.No one has ever said fixing this would be easy and done in a day. But the bleating from the left says “this is legally and humanly impossible” - which is ridiculousThere is huge public support for the GFA in Ireland and you need them to be willing to re-negotiate that. You’d have to do that before the UK could leave the ECHR otherwise you’d breach the GFA and the EU UK trade agreement.As always I am interested in the detail.According to big Dom the Royal Navy was quite prepared to tow back the small boats to France - the plan was up and running - they were happy to do it. Defending our seas is, after all, their one and only jobNot quibbling - genuinely curious. It's been an interesting watch - Farage credited the Blair government repeatedly for deporting people at speed.OK, so the Reform "Operation Restoring Justice" headlines:Uninsured doesn't matter as the MoD carries the risk on military registered aircraft. Civil/military makes no difference if they aren't cleared for traffic or landing.
Detain & Deport "absolutely everyone arriving legally" with no admissible asylum claim and a lifetime ban from the UK
Leave the ECHR and all international treaties (UN Torture etc)
Create a UK Migration Command to coordinate all agencies data to find people who have gone to ground
Detain until deportation
Return agreements with all countries - we leverage our power by withholding visas and applying sanctions
Find a 3rd country to send undocumented / unreturnable. Discuss with Albania, Rwanda and others
Putting it simply, Parliament is sovereign. We can pass any law we like in our own borders. It becomes a problem when we try and bring those laws into practice.
I see three major barriers and all are operational:
1. Detain until Deportation. The "patriots" will not allow anywhere to be used for this purpose. Nor will staff be easy to find - unless the job is to employ the "patriots"
2. The flights. Yusuf said there would be an RAF Voyager on hot standby to fill in for an unavailable commercial plane. But if the UK has abrogated all international treaties, the flights would both be illegal and uninsurable. So unless the UK government is going to operate all flights they won't happen - and then they are military flights which countries do not have to just accept. If we are sovereign, so are they.
3. Yusuf describes how hard it is to "count the uncountable". We don't know how many and therefore who they are and where they are. Farage states we would have Border Force squads lifting people - which will cause chaos. The operational issue is that so many of the "illegals" that FukU supporters want to deport aren't illegal...
AirTanker still have 2 x Voyager leased to Jet2 that they can recall so they would have substantial capacity. The deportation racket should have been 100% RAF run anyway. Much simpler.
Quibbling over the details misses the point anyway. Your average racist chav, ie Fukker voter, just sees a plan and a commitment to action. The British state certainly has the means to do mass deportations if it has the will which it currently does not.
I have little doubt that this would have to be an RAF operation because they won't find aircraft otherwise. Why not just say so? Does it create issues with the counterparty government we're sending people to?
It was the politicians who got nervous and then the human rights lawyers exploited their nerves
All this “uninsurable” stuff is total gibberish. Also: What the F do you know you’re a north Scottish part time Tesla reviewer who believes in ghosts
If we want to deport, we can deport. Enough of this spinelessness
We can pass any law we like. We can't compel an airline to carry deportees. Insurance was a live issue when Sunak tried to organise a Rwanda flight, so we know it is an issue.
And what the F do you know, if that's your line? About insurance for airlines and aircraft leasing, specifically.This is nonsense. The protests about migration in Ireland are, relatively, even fiercer than hereIt's not the Protocol the ECHR is in but the Good Friday Agreement, which is an international treaty. If Farage wants to dump that, well, its a view I suppose. I just remember the status quo ante and am not that thrilled with the idea of round 2. Specifically:The backlash against mass third world migration is becoming as loud in Ireland as it is here. If the John Lennon no-borders types think a second version of the Northern Ireland Protocol will maintain their cosy status quo, I fear they will be disappointed.OK this is interesting. Farage admitting that the ECHR is embedded into the Good Friday Agreement and that the required renegotiation of that won't be "quick". Does that mean that we can't do any of this without it? Because unless we quit ECHR and the UN treaties none of this is legal.I expect Farage will just withdraw from the ECHR no matter the consequences
He is following the Trump playbook
- Section 2 of Strand One: This section commits the British and Irish governments to incorporating the ECHR into the law of Northern Ireland and ensuring that relevant rights are protected.
- The Agreement explicitly states that “the European Convention on Human Rights…shall apply in Northern Ireland”, and both governments commit to “take the necessary steps to ensure that the relevant rights are protected in law.” For the ECRH to apply in NI it has to be part of a country that is a signatory to the ECHR. You can't sign it for only part of your territory.
While there are some protests about migration in Ireland they are nowhere near as loud as here and any protests against renegotiating or dumping the GFA, or restricting the open border, will, I can assure you, be exponentially bigger.
The Irish regularly burn down asylum seeker housing. They had huge riots in Dublin on this issue. And it’s only getting worse
It is highly likely the Irish would be keen to tighten human rights laws on this subject. Because it threatens the peace in the south
All it requires is political will
Farage - like Starmer and Sunak and especially Boris! before him - is offering crayon solutions. "its all very simple", "we just do it" etc etc. The only chink in that argument was when he was asked about the GFA and he said it won't be easy and it won't be quick.
Here is the problem. The UK exiting the ECHR junks the GFA. We *could* choose to do that - with consequences. After all we would be junking so many other treaties would it matter some will ask? But yes, it matters because Norniron is part of the UK.
Same with the other "oh we'll just do x" points. Great! How? Specifics matter because they are the things that stop you from just doing x.
All Farage has to do is sound passionately committed to this. And no one doubts that he is. He knows he has to get this done - above all else - if he is elected
The UK's political economy is broken at a fundamental level. Reform are asking the right questions but so far offer no substantive answers - or in many cases have proposals to make things worse.
The pressure cooker isn't migration or flags. It's poverty and hopelessness. Our politics has gone crazy over the last decade as people chase one "solution" then another, all the while finding that things get worse not better with every step taken.
From what we have seen so far, Reform UK in council have at best been ineffective (because there is little that any elected councillor can do to change the maths with regards to their budget crisis), and at worst have looked like utter idiots. If they win 400 seats at the election then 395 will be newly elected and all bar a minority will be new MPs, bound by Faragism.
That doesn't give me huge confidence that they will have the drive and the nous to actually go after the significant reforms needed. Which means although migrants would go down, the poverty and hopelessness will not. So who do they vote for next? We are sliding towards autocracy not because of a left / right divide, but because leftright are the same...
Re: Trump is turning into Liz Truss but with more dictatorial behaviour – politicalbetting.com
What utter bullshit.He’s seeking help from the relatives. It’s what people do in families. It’s the least treacherous thing imaginablePlastic patriot taking his case (sic) overseas.How much are you betting that he will totally misrepresent English law when he appears?
Nigel Farage will testify before US Congress on Sept 3, highlighting UK free speech concerns.
Lucy Connolly’s imprisonment over an X post will be at the heart of his case.
https://x.com/now_onearth/status/1959613396585971751
He is a traitor.
And right now the US is led by the most Anglophile administration in many decades
Re: Trump is turning into Liz Truss but with more dictatorial behaviour – politicalbetting.com
No there really isn’t. There is no valid comparison at all. It’s unintelligent bollocks from ignorant, silly people demented by TrumpIs it incredibly rich and powerful? Right now? Maybe, but what about in the future?
Is America changing fast? Yes. Does it have major problems? Yes, but it is also incredibly rich and powerful. Is it like the USSR in 1985?
HAHAHAHAHAHA no
A much more interesting comparison is this: America is like Rome as it shifted from Republic to imperial monarchy
Boeing is in big trouble. Essentially everyone is seeking alternatives to US weapons. China is ordering it's own industry to avoid US tech. The US government is having to step in to prop up Intel. Trump is doing his damndest to kill off renewable energy and electric vehicles. International trade in general is being undermined by Trump tariffs. US military alliances and treaties are now seen as worthless.
Does any of that bode well? Does anyone think Trump is Making America Great Again?
I would be astonished if in a decade's time all of this drama had made America better off.
glw
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Re: Unlikely villains: Sir Geoffrey Howe – politicalbetting.com
@peterrhagueAt the time I remember plenty of Brexiteers saying things like "it's not about the numbers, it's about control" and claiming that immigration from the Commonwealth would be less unpopular with the sort of people who don't like immigration than immigration from the EU. I have to say that both arguments seemed implausible at the time.
It’s hard to overstate what a disaster Boris Johnson turned out to be. It’s likely none of the present tensions would be happening in the UK if he hadn’t done this. The worst thing is, I couldn’t tell you if he did it on purpose or by accident. Either is quite possible.
Re: Trump is turning into Liz Truss but with more dictatorial behaviour – politicalbetting.com
"The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop usingA sign that the Democrats are at last waking up?
Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using
Stocky
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Re: Unlikely villains: Sir Geoffrey Howe – politicalbetting.com
Answer to your fracking question is no. It isn't. Even the guy who was running the project up outside Blackpool made that admission a couple of years ago.I'm curious about one thing with the whole fracking business: in the UK is it remotely even comparably economic to do it when there is clearly still oil and gas in the North Sea and there is the actual infrastructure there and the skills to just drill it out?My dissillusionment with the whole oil industry started early in my career when I realised that there were instances where it was far better for company directors if we didn't find any oil than if we did. Very much smacked of an industry version of The Producers.It would be very good. For some people.You would be wrong.Fracking is culture war stuff, Reform have an annoying habit of trying to copy/emulate everything Trump does in the belief it's the key to electoral success here - whilst making themselves look nutjobs in the process. We almost certainly shouldn't be doing it, for both environmental and economic reasons, and it will be very unpopular.I have a hunch that fracking in the UK would be a good idea.
However, it's a consequence of the dogma over Net Zero here - far too many activists want to hang eco-socialism, veganism, quasi-rationing, car-bans and anti-capitalism off the back of it, and make people pay far more for less.
It's the backlash to the lash.
The path to profit from dry wells is quite simple.
1) you setup a new company to drill a well/frack a site.
2) you get a ton of investors - indeed your share of the project is quite small.
3) you need a company to actually drill the well. As luck would have it, you own just such a company.
4) the holes are all dry. The company doing the exploration goes bankrupt. You are not entirely downcast, however. Unlike your investors.
So you take the profits from your drilling company and buy the rights to look for oil/gas on a piece of land…
Norway announced last week they had discovered a whole ton more in one their zones thanks to improved discovery tech iirc.
Norway are going full on with exploration and expanding their oil and gas industry. Equinor - the rebranded Statoil - came out to the COSL Innovator where I was working in May to visit the crew as the rig was moving to Norway after the end of the UK contract. Their purpose was to reassure the Britsh crew that they would not be replaced by Norwegians. The reason was simple. They don't have the people to replace them. They are desperately short of rigs and experienced crews not least because they have plans to drill 120 wells over the next 2 years. That is just one company. In the UK we probably won't drill 10 wells in that same period.
The Norwegian Government has also given permssion for 42 E&A wells this year. The net cash flow to the Norwegian Government for Oil and Gas revenues in 2025 is predicted at 698 billion NOK - about £50 billion. And no small amount of that will be paid by the British taxpayer to import OIl and Gas from Norway as we are not producing it ourselves - and yes it is there. We have just made a political decision not to extract it.
Re: Unlikely villains: Sir Geoffrey Howe – politicalbetting.com
That was my 75,000th post since 2014.The absolute hypocrisy of Trump firing Lisa Cook for alleged mortgage irregularities when he has already been convicted of the same after trial. Once again he looks to extend Presidential power and destroy the independence of the Fed. Once again the risks of not having that independence are that American bond rates will edge higher. Once again this will influence our bond rates which are more closely aligned with the US than with Europe. The man is a genuine menace.This is what he said:
In light of your deceitful and potentially criminal conduct in a financial matter … I do not have such confidence in your integrity. At a minimum, the conduct at issue exhibits the sort of gross negligence in financial transactions that calls into question your competence and trustworthiness as a financial regulator
The sheer irony of that statement is probably lost on him.
I wonder if Leon is still arguing Biden has dementia and Trump doesn’t? He seems to have gone quiet on the subject recently…
I would get out more, but this quite fun to be fair.
ydoethur
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Re: Unlikely villains: Sir Geoffrey Howe – politicalbetting.com
AcynHe’s probably right.
@Acyn
Reporter: It requires an act of congress to rename the Defense Department
Trump: We’re just going to do it. I’m sure Congress will just go along
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1960072444716450087
This Congress has essentially abdicated almost completely its role as an arm of government, and become a rubber stamp for every Presidential power grab. It’s shameful.
Nigelb
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