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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
I can't think of Monkfish without thinking about The Fast Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imr8WKuqFZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imr8WKuqFZo
CatMan
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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
There is no such consensus in terms of the economic cost of leaving the EU - I have seen numbers from a 2% improvement to a 10-12% drop,, and even if there were it wouldn't make any sense (not for the first time in a consensus of economists).Fishing reckons a possible 3% improvement in GDP through efficiency savings. This compares with the consensus by economists that leaving the EU has had a 6% to 8% hit to GDP so far due to loss of trade, investment and productivity. They aren't either/or. You can reduce welfare and stay in your most important market.If trade within the EU is so awesome, how come their growth is not rocketing?By "completely wrong" I think you mean "doesn't agree with my priors".Worth a read, the Economist leader, for those of you able to access Economist articles (limited monthly access or £):The Economist is completely wrong - European economic integration might do a tiny bit to boost economic growth, but it be lost in the noise, especially for this country. It would inevitably focus on manufactured goods, which are not where we have a comparative advantage, because liberalising services is much more difficult, both practically and politically, and services are less likely to be traded. Trade with the EU is a relatively small part of our economy - exports to the EU are only about 13% of GDP. And liberalising trade with the EU comes with all sorts of constraints on sovereignty, which are exactly what made Brexit more than a fringe movement in the first place, and was perhaps the second biggest factor, after immigration, in the rise of UKIP/Reform.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/12/11/can-anyone-stop-europes-populist-right
The doctrines of the populist right do indeed contain much to condemn. Yet talking about them in apocalyptic terms is doomed to fail. For their own sake, and for the good of their countries, mainstream politicians and their supporters urgently need a different approach.
If demonisation is failing, what is the alternative? The answer starts with that impatience for change which the populist right harnesses so successfully—and which this newspaper shares.
For Britain, France and Germany, European economic integration is the most obvious source of growth. Yet the populists are set on a collision course with the European Union, which would lead to growth-destroying degradation of the single market. On other issues, populists latch onto discontent, but propose solutions that are foolish.
If mainstream politicians spend it shrilly demonising populists, they will doubtless make themselves feel better, but they will not help their countries. They would be wiser to subject governments-in-waiting to the democratic scrutiny they deserve.
The most obvious way to boost growth is to focus on competitiveness throughout the economy - deregulating product and labour markets, getting malingerers off welfare and reducing the size of the public sector. Just cutting size of the state by 3% of GDP, reversing the planned increases since Labour took power, should increase GDP by 2-3% over the long run, more if it's done in a pro-growth way, and much more than any realistic boost from closer ties with the EU, whatever the more absurd studies say.
Mind you, we are all guilty of that.
It might help, but it’s not a panacea for the U.K.
Any economic cost to us from leaving the EU must be primarily because of reduced exports to the EU, or secondarily because of reduced investment associated with such exports. Any other effects are almost certain to be trivial Exports to the EU accounted for 12% or so of our GDP when we left the EU. To reduce our GDP by 6-8% directly would have meant that we had lost one half to two thirds of those exports. In fact, our exports to the EU have grown slightly since we left. Even allowing for multiplier effects, the idea that our GDP has been reduced sufficiently by leaving the EU is ridiculous.
One could, of course, argue that our exports to the EU and therefore our GDP would have shot up had we remained in the EU, and that is sort of the implication of the NBER and LSE research, though they are wise enough not to state that explicitly. But that doesn't really make sense either, because exports to a block are largely determined by its GDP growth, and the EU's GDP growth over the past decade has been dismal. So it is inconceivable that our exports would have increased by enough to account for anything like a 6-8% drop in GDP.
So the more extreme estimates for the economic cost of leaving the EU have no basis in reality.
My own estimate, derived with colleagues, is about 0.5-1.5% of GDP, mostly from delayed investment due to the delay in leaving the EU. But then you need to offset other factors such as the end of our huge net contributions to the EU and our ability to determine our own regulations and trade agreements. So overall it probably hasn't made much difference, certainly compared to the astonishing incoherence and incompetence of the current government's economic policies.
Fishing
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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
I'm guessing this is allowed though as it's under the pizza?No photos of this delicious treat, then?New PB policy:PBers note, that rules out photos of pizzas with pineapple on them.
Additional photos are acceptable is they are of food you cooked yourself, that is delicious, and which are accompanied by a recipe.

ohnotnow
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The government is asking Apple and Google to prevent people from looking at nude pictures on their phones unless they submit to an age verification check:If you let the government control your internet access to such a granular level what else will they decide you must not see?
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/12/uk-to-encourage-apple-and-google-to-put-nudity-blocking-systems-on-phones/
It would seem Labour will not rest in their quest to age-gate the entire internet.
You simply cannot let a government have that sort of power.
Worth pointing out this isn't exclusively a Labour thing. The Online Safety Act was passed in 2023.
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
New PB policy:
Additional photos are acceptable is they are of food you cooked yourself, that is delicious, and which are accompanied by a recipe.
Additional photos are acceptable is they are of food you cooked yourself, that is delicious, and which are accompanied by a recipe.
rcs1000
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I've just seen the Trump post on Rob Reiner.It fits within the long and dignified history of Presidential remarks, to be remembered down the eons.
I am a gobby bastard but I am utterly speechless.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.
We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away, together with his wife, Michele, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump Administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, and with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before. May Rob and Michele rest in peace!
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
Bonnie Blue represents the libertarian wing of Reform, Kruger the socially conservative wing but both are low tax, low spend fiscal conservatives and Kruger recognises Reform need both wings to have a chance of winningI see her more from the Christian Nationalist wing.
Spends an inordinate amount of time kneeling.
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
Not finding that terribly reassuring to be honest with you.@neuropsychophd.bsky.socialTo be fair most company executives and politicians score above average on the psychopath chart, as do media presenters and celebrities and Trump has done all three
As we wrote in 2024:
Hare Psychopathy Checklist:
“Perfect” score for total psychopath = 40
Average score in general population = 5
Average score for someone in maximum security prison = 22
Donald J. Trump = 34
https://bsky.app/profile/neuropsychophd.bsky.social/post/3ma2b36ndhk2e
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
I've just splashed out on my dinner. I'm making a monkfish and king prawn curry
I heat ghee, add cumin seeds and black mustard seeds. Once they start popping I add fresh sliced garlic and ginger. A couple of minutes and some stirring later I throw in chopped spring onions, then sliced red peppers
When the peppers are cooking I liberally add chilli powder (fresh chilli works well too, but I didn't want leftover chilli) and a good squeeze from a lime. Then add the monkfish and the prawns. Just before they're cooked I stir in a couple of tablespoons of crème fraiche and chopped chives and coriander, heat up again and serve with rice
I'm listening to Joy Of Cooking, an awesome band from the early 70s
Only Time Will Tell - Joy Of Cooking (Joy Of Cooking 1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7jWFwuTo8
I heat ghee, add cumin seeds and black mustard seeds. Once they start popping I add fresh sliced garlic and ginger. A couple of minutes and some stirring later I throw in chopped spring onions, then sliced red peppers
When the peppers are cooking I liberally add chilli powder (fresh chilli works well too, but I didn't want leftover chilli) and a good squeeze from a lime. Then add the monkfish and the prawns. Just before they're cooked I stir in a couple of tablespoons of crème fraiche and chopped chives and coriander, heat up again and serve with rice
I'm listening to Joy Of Cooking, an awesome band from the early 70s
Only Time Will Tell - Joy Of Cooking (Joy Of Cooking 1970)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7jWFwuTo8
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
Her policy of letting absolutely anyone in seems to contradict Reform.I'm stealing that.





