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Re: Is inflation the key metric for winning the general election? – politicalbetting.com
I don't disagree and I am coming to the opinion that, now I know more about it, it is reasonable. However you have to get right to the bottom of the long Independent piece before it says that they refused to move along when asked to. The other reports quoted here erroneously give the impression they were arrested for protesting or expressing an opinion - whereas if they had done it outside Sir Keir's office, they would have probably been allowed to get on with it. Let's have some better reporting "protesters outside Sir Keir Starmer's family home were arrested for a public order offence which protects people's homes after refusing to move along when asked to by the police". See, it's easy.Why would they pick Starmer's house? It's not like he could do much about it. He wasn't even PM at that stage.We are not told what was on the banner, so we can't make our own judgment about whether it was offensive or not. Presumably it didn't pass the test for anti-semitism or they would have been charged with a hate crime. Protesting against the actions of a sovereign state should not be a crime.It might be worth remembering that Starmer's wife and children are Jewish.It would be helpful if the press routinely told us which crime had been broken when reporting a trial. Even that report just calls it "public order offences". I also don't see how the above would cause "alarm or distress" to Sir Keir but his family probably see it differently. Maybe we need a better method of protecting the pavement outside his home.Section 42 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 covers the harassment of a person at their home address if a police officer suspects it is causing alarm or distress to the occupant.I do wonder what crime was broken by flying a banner and leaving shoes on the pavement. Littering?A Met spokesperson said: “Youth Demand have stated an intention to ‘shut down’ London over the month of April using tactics including ‘swarming’ and roadblocks.Is there any more reporting on that ?It couldn't happen here, Oh wait:Talking of ICE, masked up agents pulling a legally-in-USA PhD student off the streets. She wrote a piece in the student newspaper criticising Israel. It's getting nastier.Land of free speech my arse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDVKBdq3Gw&t=179s
Rumeysa Ozturk, a Turkish national and PhD student in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, was arrested outside her off-campus apartment. Then renditioned in violation of a Court Order.
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Khanbabai said Ozturk had valid F-1 visa status as a PhD student. She has filed a habeas petition in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts for Ozturk’s release from detention.
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“Unless otherwise ordered by the Court, petitioner shall not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without first providing advance notice of the intended move,” wrote federal judge Indira Talwani in a three-page order to ICE on Tuesday night.
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But shortly after the judge made that order, federal authorities transferred Ozturk to Louisiana, according to her attorney.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-26/tufts-international-graduate-student-taken-into-ice-custody
The op ed she wrote:
https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
https://bsky.app/profile/georgemonbiot.bsky.social/post/3llit6dd7es2u
You think the arbitrary arrest of political dissenters cannot happen in the UK? It already does. www.quaker.org.uk/news-and-eve...
Your link provides very little detail.
“While we absolutely recognise the importance of the right to protest, we have a responsibility to intervene to prevent activity that crosses the line from protest into serious disruption and other criminality.
“On Thursday, officers raided a Youth Demand planning meeting where those in attendance were plotting their April action.
“Six people were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance.”
The force confirmed that a number of houses were also raided on Thursday and Friday as part of the same operation.
Youth Demand said the meeting was intended to be “an opportunity to share plans for non-violence civil resistance actions” and alleged that one of those arrested is a journalist.
The group has made anti-Israel demands central to its messaging, calling for the UK government to cut all trade with Israel and accusing it of enabling genocide. It also wants the state to raise money from “the super-rich and fossil fuel elite” to pay damages for the effects of fossil fuel burning.
A Youth Demand spokesperson said: “It’s clear that the government sees Youth Demand as a threat. They know that we are right.
“The government is facilitating genocide. Thousands of us are horrified.
“We will not be silenced. Young people all over the country are coming together to shut London down day after day throughout April.”
The group’s tactics have previously drawn criticism, including from within the Jewish community. In April last year, three activists hung a banner and laid rows of children’s shoes outside the home of Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer. Lenorah Ward, 21, Zosia Lewis, 23, and Daniel Formentin, 24, were each handed suspended prison sentences over the stunt.
More arrests followed in July when Youth Demand announced plans to disrupt the State Opening of Parliament.
Despite the latest police intervention, the group is promoting another “welcome talk” in Brighton on Monday evening.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/youth-activists-arrested-over-plan-to-shut-down-london-in-anti-israel-campaign/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx77ljll077o
Three people have been found guilty of public order offences after a pro-Palestinian demonstration outside Sir Keir Starmer's house.
Leonorah Ward, 21, from Leeds; Zosia Lewis, 23, from Newcastle-upon-Tyne; and Daniel Formentin, 24, also from Leeds, were also found guilty of breaching court bail, but had denied all the charges.
The whole case seems to be 'we will protest' (fair enough) 'we will protest to the wrong person' (silly, but not a crime) 'we will ignore the police when ordered to leave' (stupid, and illegal as the police can make that decision) 'we are martyrs for free speech' (not buying it).
I can understand in this case that the protest being pro-Palestinian which movement has contained some pretty ugly anti-Semitic traits could be especially intimidating to a household with Jews in it.
Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
Talking of ICE, masked up agents pulling a legally-in-USA PhD student off the streets. She wrote a piece in the student newspaper criticising Israel. It's getting nastier.Land of free speech my arse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDVKBdq3Gw&t=179s
Rumeysa Ozturk, a Turkish national and PhD student in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, was arrested outside her off-campus apartment. Then renditioned in violation of a Court Order.
...
Khanbabai said Ozturk had valid F-1 visa status as a PhD student. She has filed a habeas petition in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts for Ozturk’s release from detention.
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“Unless otherwise ordered by the Court, petitioner shall not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without first providing advance notice of the intended move,” wrote federal judge Indira Talwani in a three-page order to ICE on Tuesday night.
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But shortly after the judge made that order, federal authorities transferred Ozturk to Louisiana, according to her attorney.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-26/tufts-international-graduate-student-taken-into-ice-custody
The op ed she wrote:
https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
Re: Is inflation the key metric for winning the general election? – politicalbetting.com
Class sizes have really ballooned of late.A school whatsapp group has... 1.2 million members? This is a part of social media I am completely unfamiliar with. The biggest one I'm in is about 200 hundred, and that's for organising climbing trips.From reporting, it seems that most of the emails were about managing their disabled daughter - they were not allowed into the school to show the teachers how to give medication, for example.According to radio 4 they sent 80 emails in a 6 month period (basically one every 2 working days) having been banned from the school premises after challenging the appointment process for the head teacher and “casting aspersions” on the chair of the governors.And this as wellhttps://www.quaker.org.uk/news-and-events/news/quakers-condemn-police-raid-on-westminster-meeting-houseIs there any more reporting on that ?It couldn't happen here, Oh wait:Talking of ICE, masked up agents pulling a legally-in-USA PhD student off the streets. She wrote a piece in the student newspaper criticising Israel. It's getting nastier.Land of free speech my arse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDVKBdq3Gw&t=179s
Rumeysa Ozturk, a Turkish national and PhD student in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, was arrested outside her off-campus apartment. Then renditioned in violation of a Court Order.
...
Khanbabai said Ozturk had valid F-1 visa status as a PhD student. She has filed a habeas petition in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts for Ozturk’s release from detention.
...
“Unless otherwise ordered by the Court, petitioner shall not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without first providing advance notice of the intended move,” wrote federal judge Indira Talwani in a three-page order to ICE on Tuesday night.
...
But shortly after the judge made that order, federal authorities transferred Ozturk to Louisiana, according to her attorney.
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2025-03-26/tufts-international-graduate-student-taken-into-ice-custody
The op ed she wrote:
https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
https://bsky.app/profile/georgemonbiot.bsky.social/post/3llit6dd7es2u
You think the arbitrary arrest of political dissenters cannot happen in the UK? It already does. www.quaker.org.uk/news-and-eve...
Your link provides very little detail.
It was a meeting of the group "Youth Demand" who rented a room at the Meeting House. They are protesting for a boycott of Israel and for climate action.
https://youthdemand.org/
https://x.com/c_kletzer/status/1905888893737590924?
t=0ax4E2LsJ9FxEAZG7gXwuA&s=19
While the police may have been heavy handed it does seem like there could potentially be a case to answer on harassment
The mum locked up is a producer for Times Radio.
The Times article is quite good and detailed (I commend the journo):
https://archive.is/20250328191932/https://www.thetimes.com/article/d8c8566b-99b1-45c6-814b-008042d74a3a
Interview with the dad:
https://x.com/timesradio/status/1905693691416883419
It is a far more credible complaint imo that Allison Pearson's. I'd call it afaics that it was an acting head who they had been slightly rude about ("control freak" - imo accurate from the accounts) in a parents' group on Whatapp, who put in an over-juicy complaint and so the police went in feet first and mob handed.
The one negative point I can see for the parents is that the Whatsapp group was a little large with 1.2 million members. And perhaps initially emailing all the Governors when he did not get a reply was a bit OTT.
I think the arrest may have been unnecessary - chap said he would quite happily have toddled along to the station for an interview.
The authorities are trying to let it lie. I don't think it will.

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Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
JD VanceThe Vance-schluss (nicked from twitter).
What a dick
He has a point about Denmark not doing enough to keep Greenland safe from aggressive incursions. Him for example.
Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
I've just watched JD Vance speak to the Greenlanders. Can anyone think of a more ignorant and rude senior politician in recent years with the possible exception of Farage?Farage is far more polite than Vance imo.

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Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
@erichaywood.bsky.socialIf the UK needs someone to tell Donald Trump to fuck off I'm fairly sure I could manage that job.
Not gonna pretend like I know anything about Carney’s politics because I don’t, but I watched his speech yesterday and he essentially told Trump to fuck off and now Trump’s speaking about him with a modicum of respect.
I feel like there’s a lesson in there somewhere.
https://bsky.app/profile/erichaywood.bsky.social/post/3llhadmbv322t

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Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
Starmer's doing a pretty good job at the moment imo but the best thing he could do next would be to pass legislation to force the Sentencing Council to drop their new recommendations. If he does that Labour's support could go back up to 30% in the polls.The people complaining about that likely aren’t going to vote Labour anyway. I doubt there’d be much reaction if he did do anything on it.

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Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
One thing that hasn't been talked about much is the decision to change almost all the names of the constituencies in the Senedd elections next year to Welsh ones. e.g Newport becomes Caesnewydd. Why on earth you would do this when the vast majority of people living in Newport would say they live in Newport I don't know. I don't know how much it will catch on. There has been broad acceptance of bilingualism in Wales but Welsh language enthusiasts have been pushing the 'Welsh preference' further and further. It could be a moment for a backlash. A nice little gift for Farage.
Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
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Re: Starmer’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com
There are plenty of obscure Russians in Siberian jails for far less high profile expressions of opposition to the war.He wasn’t an obscure scientist but a high-profile thorn in Putin’s side.Having been poisoned in front of the world that's possibly what Navalny thought when he boarded the plane from Berlin.I don’t think she’s likely to be on anyone’s radar as a dissident.So she gets sent back to the tenth floor french windows.It sounds like she screwed up by trying to bring something into the country that she shouldn't have and is just using the war critic angle in a bid for sympathy.EU plans concessions to the Trumpdozer after tariffs - BloombergPeople looking for a western counterweight to Trump will need to look to Canada rather than Europe.
https://x.com/wallstengine/status/1905609090606456980?s=61
What do you think about this one from your team? Critic of Putin arrested and due to be sent back to Russia.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/harvard-scientist-russia-deportation-antiwar-b2723063.html
You’re either being naive or obtuse.

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