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Second like Remain.

If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

From previous thread:

By the way it was just a couple of days ago that I rang the warning bell on Trump again about the situation in Wisconsin, once again I was right and the odds in the markets changed.

Last time I rang the warning bell about Trump was after Super Tuesday about Cruz overperforming and the schedule being favorable to Cruz until March 8th, I was right again and the odds in the markets changed.

Not to mention my accurate predictions about Rubio, Bush, Fiorina, Walker, Christie ect ect.
So my predictive record on the GOP race is still intact (Ben Carson being the exception, but he did shine briefly in October and November).

What does the future hold though?
Well I will make another prediction that if all things stay the same, Trump's odds are going to bounce back in the markets if he wins N.Y. by as much as the polls say.

20 days till N.Y votes is a long time though.

AnneJGP said:

If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.

ThreeQuidder said:

Curse of the new thread! FPT:

I'm struggling to believe this football scare story. It's almost as if nobody had realised that the reason that the work permit ruled have recently been tightened is that there are so many EU nationals in the league. [*] And that if EU nationals could be treated as foreign rather than effectively British, the work permit rules could be loosened, thus allowing lesser EU nationals to be replaced by better non-EU nationals.

[*] This in turn is because UK talent attracts a premium. I've always assumed this is because there's a lower risk of homesickness.

I can't believe it to be a bad thing if the UK is encouraged to develop home-grown talent.

The below was posted last thread.

When discussing the referendum on twitter, David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn and Nigel Farage come out as the politicians most referred to, however only 1% of these tweets were of a positive tone – a breakdown of whether the tweets were positive or negative can be seen below:

David Cameron: Positive 1%, Neutral 57%, Negative 42%
Jeremy Corbyn: Positive 1%, Neutral 43%, Negative 55%
Nigel Farage: Positive 1%, Neutral 82%, Negative 17%

Showing Farage most popular (least unpopular) leader on twitter.

Speedy said:

https://twitter.com/sfiegerman/status/715565898958970881

I give up, the US Media is as ludicrous as that photo of that guy and the plane hijacker.

Eating an American staple with a knife and fork didn't do Dave any harm...

Speedy said:

From previous thread:

By the way it was just a couple of days ago that I rang the warning bell on Trump again about the situation in Wisconsin, once again I was right and the odds in the markets changed.

Last time I rang the warning bell about Trump was after Super Tuesday about Cruz overperforming and the schedule being favorable to Cruz until March 8th, I was right again and the odds in the markets changed.

Not to mention my accurate predictions about Rubio, Bush, Fiorina, Walker, Christie ect ect.
So my predictive record on the GOP race is still intact (Ben Carson being the exception, but he did shine briefly in October and November).

What does the future hold though?
Well I will make another prediction that if all things stay the same, Trump's odds are going to bounce back in the markets if he wins N.Y. by as much as the polls say.

20 days till N.Y votes is a long time though.

You ring the warning bell more often than my postman rings my front doorbell.

kle4 said:

AnneJGP said:

If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.

This is, I believe, the first communication I've received from any organisation involved in the EU referendum.

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

Casino_Royale said:

Massively off-topic, and slightly unfairly, Ronnie Corbett's passing has reminded me of all the comedy classics of the early 80s.

What I particularly loved about Not the Nine O'Clock News is that (not only was the BBC brave enough to commission and support it) but it took the piss out of everyone: marxists, trade unions, Conservatives, the established church, hippies, nosy TV presenters, pub culture, advertisers, bigotry of some police constables, darts championships, popular game shows and pop and sports stars.

It's just totally and utterly brilliant, purely British wit and satire, with every sketch original and no hint of identity politics or political bias (or correctness) creeping in. At all.

What I wouldn't give for a similar comedy now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ynt9JZWFkk&ebc=ANyPxKoucLKyp2L19ORNI-6bItVXVX1NAMFrlaWgULL7kIp6g69mPWmF0ob4S8h8uGcWUxrtXd4SOxgN8co2oJm_0gTqBRXnMA

As a nine year old, Not the Nine O'clock News was one of my favourite shows.
Too many favourite sketches to list.

Looking at TNS 74% of men aged over 55 will definitely vote - and 21% of men under 35.
Only 16% (sixteen) percent of women under 35 will definitely vote.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Casino_Royale said:

Massively off-topic, and slightly unfairly, Ronnie Corbett's passing has reminded me of all the comedy classics of the early 80s.

What I particularly loved about Not the Nine O'Clock News is that (not only was the BBC brave enough to commission and support it) but it took the piss out of everyone: marxists, trade unions, Conservatives, the established church, hippies, nosy TV presenters, pub culture, advertisers, bigotry of some police constables, darts championships, popular game shows and pop and sports stars.

It's just totally and utterly brilliant, purely British wit and satire, with every sketch original and no hint of identity politics or political bias (or correctness) creeping in. At all.

What I wouldn't give for a similar comedy now...

They had a comedy writer on R5 this afternoon and he made a good point that so many of the great comedies were in the 80's AND they were suitable for pretty much the whole family. Now, we many of the "hit" comedy are either aimed at specific demographics and hardly any are enjoyed by young to old in the way say Only Fools and Horses was.

The fact they could play a montage of the best bits of 80's comedies in the afternoon, with no images just audio, and them still very really funny. Nothing can do match all those criteria.

I can't think of anything funny similar on British TV. Last one that hit the button for me was Big Train.

There are shows like live at the Apollo, but if comedians go near social and political comedy nowadays they almost always do it exclusively from the Left.

Indeed, Michael McIntyre has been attacked for not doing enough of that.

Not The Nine O'Clock News is fantastic.

Speaking of fantastic comedy, The Adventures of Sir Edric is in the pipeline of publication. Not up yet on Amazon (there was a small technical issue delay), but it should be a matter of hours, at most. I'm hoping it'll be up shortly [there's no defined time limit so I can't be more specific, unfortunately].

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?

My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

AndyJS said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?

My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.

Does anyone have the Nojam prediction tbread to hand. I would be interested to review it.

Mr. Quidder, mingle the two, and have Pegasus.

On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

Casino_Royale said:

Moses_ said:

Alistair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!

Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

It'll be so much fun.

Nearly as much fun as the Daily Telegraph readers when Remain gets a thumping victory! :-)

Casino_Royale said:

Moses_ said:

Alistair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!

Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

It'll be so much fun.

Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Casino_Royale said:

Moses_ said:

Alistair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!

Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

It'll be so much fun.

The Boris winning meltdown was pretty epic....

All those leftie celebs who promised to emigrate and then forgot to.

I remember Polly totally off the chart. They kept trying to push this Boris is racist (forget who he is married to) and that all non-whites should be shitting themselves over a Boris Mayoral victory.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Casino_Royale said:

Moses_ said:

Alistair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!

Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

It'll be so much fun.

The Boris winning meltdown was pretty epic....

All those leftie celebs who promised to emigrate and then forgot to.

Didn't someone of this parish threaten to "emigrate" in such an event. Now who was that?

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

foxinsoxuk said:

On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.

Peter Kay is pretty consistently funny, yet suitable for all the family.

His Car Share was very well observed.

At the cruder end of comedy, I am rather fond of "Drifters". The first series of "Cuckoo" was pretty good too.

Peter Kay is a good shout, although he produces very little material in terms of tv shows (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). 12 episodes of Phoenix Nights, 5 episodes Max + Paddy and 4 stand up shows in past 16 years ? Car Share wasn't that popular (it wasn't written by him).

In comparison, Only Fools and Horses is 64 regular episodes, plus a load of specials.

MarkHopkins said:

foxinsoxuk said:

AndyJS said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

Very interesting politics may result, if that does occur.

Still sticking by your 55:45 prediction to Remain?

My prediction in the PB competition was Leave 50.6% IIRC. I've changed my mind to 50/50 since then.

Does anyone have the Nojam prediction tbread to hand. I would be interested to review it.

http://show.nojam.com/a2t9/search.php

I clearly wasn't paying attention, as I appear to have the Leave percentage and turnout percentage adding up to 100%. Either that's a staggering coincidence, or for some reason I thought I was adding in Leave and Remain separately.

Moses_ said:

Casino_Royale said:

Moses_ said:

Alistair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!

Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

It'll be so much fun.

Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame.

So THAT'S what's inside those bags with pipes sticking out.

TRUMPS LEAD AMONGST WHITE MEN WILL SWEEP HIM TO THE WHITEHOUSE



Oh.

foxinsoxuk said:

I am sure that Leavers will be converted to the true faith if they read this piece from inFacts:

http://infacts.org/maggies-1975-pro-europe-case-remains-strong-today/


Excellent targetting of ads via Facebook.

InFacts is littered with inaccuracies, surrendering sovereignty to the EU is the same as membership of NATO, Norway having no influence over technical standards, etc. Not so much InFacts as InAccuracies.

FrancisUrquhart said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

foxinsoxuk said:

On eighties comedy (or indeed any period) it is easy to remember the funny stuff and forget all the lame stuff. There was plenty of dross about then too. Little and Large, Keith Harris and Orville, the Crankies, Terry and June, Bread, Butterflies etc etc.

Some things age better than others "Whatever happened to the Likely Lads?" remains as funny as ever, "The Goodies" is painful as is "Some Mothers do 'ave 'em". I used to find it unmissable as a kid.

That is true...but like now the big hits are for instance Mrs Brown's Boys. That is not suitable for all nor liked across all demographics.

Peter Kay is pretty consistently funny, yet suitable for all the family.

His Car Share was very well observed.

At the cruder end of comedy, I am rather fond of "Drifters". The first series of "Cuckoo" was pretty good too.

Peter Kay is a good shout, although he produces very little material in terms of tv shows (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). 12 episodes of Phoenix Nights, 5 episodes Max + Paddy and 4 stand up shows in past 16 years ? Car Share wasn't that popular (it wasn't written by him).

In comparison, Only Fools and Horses is 64 regular episodes, plus a load of specials.

Scandalous that John Sullivan wasn't knighted. Uneducated, working class Londoner who created a work of genius. There was genuine pathos in Only Fools; it was beautifully conceived. The 'Harrison Watch' episode had 26 million viewers. Extraordinary!

Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 3h3 hours ago
Odd: if you want to unilaterally get rid of Trident submarines, you're soft on security. If you want to get rid of what they're made of...

Mr. T, important news on The Ice Twins: my mum read it in three days (which is shockingly fast for her), and very much liked it.

Paul Mason is not coming across as non-partisan on newsnight just now...

SeanT said:

Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

"I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

Is there anything worth seeing there that is not visible from the M4?

Living in the Midlands I quite like industrial plant,

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. T, np (she's had it since Christmas but got a lot of books and has only just gotten round to reading it).

Mr. 565, if we're at war with every steel-producing country in the world that would be problematic.

But who says, the way things are going, most other major economies' steel industries bar China don't collapse?

In all seriousness, as recently as 30 years ago, most politicians in all parties would've agreed that atleast SOME steel-producing capacity is essential for any economy to be self-sufficient.

Lib Dems lose Richmondshire to the Richmond Independents

Richmond Central (Richmondshire) result:
RIND: 35.0% (+35.0)
LDEM: 30.4% (-18.3)
CON: 23.1% (-6.6)
GRN: 11.4% (-10.1)

Labour HOLD Moriah (Caerphilly).

Mr. 565, it's a legitimate perspective, but Trident's not the way to make it. That's a one-off large purchase every few decades. We don't churn out Trident subs every fortnight.

It's home turf for Corbyn to talk about nationalisation, but it'll also reinforce the stereotype (although, at this stage, I think this is a win for Corbyn, as he can't lose much more support but those directly affected will likely be grateful to the benevolence of the chairman).

Moses_ said:

Casino_Royale said:

Moses_ said:

Alistair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

AndyJS said:

weejonnie said:

Looking at the TNS data - only Greater London and Scotland would vote to Remain.

It seems possible those two areas will vote convincingly for Remain with everywhere else voting narrowly Leave, giving a close result overall.

I think my favourite possible result is:

Scotland votes Leave
England votes Leave
(Eng+Wal+NI) votes Remain
Leave wins.

Nat implosion.

(Yes, I know it ain't gonna happen.)

My favourite result is everyone gets a free unicorn.

Plus unicorn insurance.

Don't start that. I'm still waiting for my free owl !!

Much better than any of that: imagine the sheer pleasure we'll get from a total meltdown of the Guardian readers if Leave wins.

I mean, it'll make the aftermath of GE2015 look like a picnic.

It'll be so much fun.

Indeed... And the anguished wailing from north of the border would probably put a herd of strangled cats to shame.

The SNP is desperate for a Leave vote.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lib Dems lose Richmondshire to the Richmond Independents Richmond Central (Richmondshire) result:
RIND: 35.0% (+35.0)
LDEM: 30.4% (-18.3)
CON: 23.1% (-6.6)
GRN: 11.4% (-10.1)

Lib Dem fightback underway.

Alistair said:

Stewart Lee is the only comic that matters. His latest Comedy Vehicle series is as brilliant as ever.

He's certainly not for everyone but his comedy breathtakingly pipping and dangerous. The type of laugher where you wonder if you should be laughing.

If you don't like the concept of his stage persona of "failing, bitter standup comedian" then it will fall flat. But if you buy into him make believe world there is none better

Nah, seems too smug by half to be widely embraced by the British public.

Mortimer said:

Paul Mason is not coming across as non-partisan on newsnight just now...

Two too many words in that sentence. Never found him non partisan.

Scott_P said:

@JeremyCliffe: Corbyn attack grid: launch petition, issue quixotic call for resignation, miss open goal in Commons, get outshone by "hostile" backbencher

Makes a change from Miliband's "judge led enquiry" as solution to every problem...

SouthamObserver said:

So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.

Mortimer said:

SeanT said:

Mortimer said:

SeanT said:

Ken Clarke on Newsnight:

"I do know South Wales well, I often drive past Port Talbot"

I OFTEN DRIVE PAST PORT TALBOT

A decent Labour party would put that on General Election posters. Just the most ghastly error. Appallingly stupid.

Ken Clarke is possibly the most respected Tory. He could get away with saying almost anything.

Meh, I doubt that deeply. Most people have forgotten him or never knew him.

Nonetheless he is a clever and respected politician, so it's odd that he'd make such a crass error. Even stranger, apparently he said EXACTLY the same thing on WATO. So either he's going gaga or he's lost interest in any popularity whatsoever

Shock horror, maybe it is the truth.

He did say that on WATO. He also added that he had friends in South Wales and he drove past Port Talbot when visiting them. In context its not as bad as it sounds.

Ken Clarke getting away with saying almost anything....

Some people have short memories...

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

AnneJGP said:

If anyone is interested in noting such things, I received a letter from LeaveEU today, by post.

I'm interested - I'm curious how widely and how well the campaigns are reaching out. I've had two items from BSE, one several months ago, but I don't recall anything from Leave yet.

I've had the BSE propaganda.

Nothing from Leave. I wonder if they're bothering at all to target London/SE. I'm in a solidly wealthy home county area, but one that votes over 60%+ Conservative. Always.

Perhaps they see the Midlands as the crucial swing region?

Are you trying to break the record for negativity towards your own side? Odiham is for the taking; go forth and leaflet!

I've noticed a big uptick in the number of London Vote Leave events. We might even have canvassing in my borough...

Incidentally, I received the 'brown envelope' from Leave yesterday.

Different colour to the HMRC envelopes - Dad was an accountant and we got about 5 of these a day, so I should know....

SouthamObserver said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SouthamObserver said:

So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.

Yep, we have been promised great trade deals with the likes of China - much better than we could get via the EU - so presumably the Leavers have some killer negotiating points up their sleeves that will cause the Chinese to do our bidding.

That Indian Investment via Tata is not looking very rosy either.

FrancisUrquhart said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3517631/Violence-erupts-Paris-streets-students-clash-riot-police-protests-reforms-extend-35-hour-working-week.html

SeanT likes to tell us how UK and US is stuff against the massive might of the Chinese economy...I think the French are going to get a horrible shock....

I don't know the last time I only worked 35hrs in a week...

Bonkers isn't it. I think I worked 35 hrs Monday/Tuesday. And do you know what; it felt great....

GeoffM said:

Just watched the replay of the WI/India game. Awesome batting!

Me too. Can't believe Simmons was caught on a no ball twice. Incredible luck.

foxinsoxuk said:

SouthamObserver said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SouthamObserver said:

So it turns out the UK government has got exactly what it wanted from the EU on steel. Who says we are marginalised and ignored!

Indeed the Brexiteers who are so keen on trading arrangements with China are rather quiet on the steel issue. Tariff war with China on our own? Or negotiate as part of the EU? The latter seems a better idea to me.

Yep, we have been promised great trade deals with the likes of China - much better than we could get via the EU - so presumably the Leavers have some killer negotiating points up their sleeves that will cause the Chinese to do our bidding.

That Indian Investment via Tata is not looking very rosy either.

A sneak preview of our Brexit world.