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  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I was a Lego, Airfix and Meccano kid - another for the watch list.

    Nothing ever surpassed my Saturn 5 Airfix - it was almost as tall as me.
    Dair said:

    I've missed all those. Will try it. I was bored stiff/schmaltzed out by Finding Nemo and tuned out.

    Thanx - I'll add it to Toy Story 3 and Puss In Boots.

    Dair said:

    A list of recommendations would be much appreciated.

    A few of us swap TV show favourites, but we don't see many film ones. I've mostly stopped watching them and would like to get interested again.

    MM..You may also enjoy "Youth"...got so many films to plough through...so far the standard has been very high.

    If you have not seen it, I think Inside Out is a film a lot of people might miss.

    Despite being a Pixar kids film, it really is filled with feels and an absolutely wonderful movie.
    And Madagascar 3!
    Finding Nemo is very much a kids film. Lego Movie absolutely is not (although kids will love it). It may not be as great if you never had any Lego as a kid but for me it is an all time great film. Inside Out was a complete surprise to me and again, it has a very good story for adults to enjoy.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Seen The Force Awakens three times. Just gets better with every viewing.

    Are you trying to persuade us, or yourself?

    One trait that is almost universal, is that when someone over-invests in something, they will grasp any straw to defending their choice. The Star Wars remake probably isn't worth the effort you're putting in.

    Maybe the next one will be awesome. As they say, 6th time's the charm.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited December 2015

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero. That may be just a natural fall away after initial enthusiasm - or indicative that things aren't turning out as they expected.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    I am not a Corbynite by a long way but things have not gone as badly as some were predicting before his election. Most commentators seem to think he is more than holding his own at PMQs, Labour has had a sweeping victory at the Oldham West by election and in today's Daily Mail ComRes poll the Tory lead has fallen from 11% to 4% in a month. That's not too bad given the media coverage he has received and many of his problems relate to internal PLP dynamics. Nevertheless we are not looking at the 20 -25 % Tory leads many were looking forward to back in the summer.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    94% of the latest jobs created were full time.

    The wrong sort of jobs meme failed and continues to fail.
    DavidL said:

    justin124 said:

    DavidL said:

    George show know that politicians seeking to show they are up with the zeitgeist never ends well (Artic Monkeys anyone) but he was probably a little buoyant after another truly stunning set of employment figures yesterday. This article has a good summary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12053072/UK-unemployment-wages-pay-slowdown-jobs-employment.html

    All of the unemployment caused by Brown' incompetence has now been eliminated and youth unemployment is at its lowest for 9 years. Most of the EZ countries must weep as their more ambitious and better qualified seek better opportunities here.

    I simply do not believe that such continued level of growth in employment is consistent with a mere 2.5% growth this year. I think it is very likely that these figures will be increased to over 3% eventually. It just might take a few years and, by then, not be of interest to anyone but economic historians.

    I would not be so sure. Many of the people back at work are not in what most people would view as full time employment. As far as the DWP is concerned anyone working at least 16 hours per week has a full time job , but most people working 16 - 30 hours per week are likely to see themselves as in part time employment. If the unemployment data took account of Full time Equivalent calculations the figures would be significantly higher than what is being shown.
    The number of hours worked is at an all time high, I believe it has gone over 1 billion for the first time. As more than 100% of the increase is in the private sector (given public sector employment is still falling) they must presumably be doing something useful.
  • Mr. 124, worth noting Christmas polling can be askew because lots of people bugger off on holiday. [That's the theory, anyway].
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :lol:

    You've been on top form recently, Mr Rentool.

    There is an opportunity for Labour to demonstrate that they are the party on the side of small businesses, with the Tories in the pockets of big business. Plenty of votes in such a strategy, if properly executed. Small business owners are working people rather than "businessmen/businesswomen". We should be on their side.

    If only Labour didn't have a Shadow Chancellor more associated with being on the side of the IRA than small businesses.
    I believe the IRA have now branched out into several lucrative business ventures.
  • justin124 said:

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero. That may be just a natural fall away after initial enthusiasm - or indicative that things aren't turning out as they expected.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    I am not a Corbynite by a long way but things have not gone as badly as some were predicting before his election. Most commentators seem to think he is more than holding his own at PMQs, Labour has had a sweeping victory at the Oldham West by election and in today's Daily Mail ComRes poll the Tory lead has fallen from 11% to 4% in a month. That's not too bad given the media coverage he has received and many of his problems relate to internal PLP dynamics. Nevertheless we are not looking at the 20 -25 % Tory leads many were looking forward to back in the summer.
    Do you have a link to that poll ?
  • That table can be spun more or less any way you want. For example, more than half are dissatisfied with Cameron. Farron has the lowest satisfaction rating of all - but also fewest dissatisfied. And so on...

    I always find the satisfaction question fairly ambiguous - some people may well be "satisfied" to perceive that an opposing party leader is apparently becoming unelectable, for example. The converse is also potentially true.



  • That's a ski jump in unpopularity by Jeremy Corbyn. When was the last time that a leader dropped by so much in a month?

    Off the top of my head, Cameron when the Millie Dowler story broke.
    To answer my own question, David Cameron lost 13% support net in July 2011, as you suggested.

    I think that the last time a party leader dropped more was Nick Clegg in November 2010 (-16% net). Presumably that was tuition fees-related.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    I was a Lego, Airfix and Meccano kid - another for the watch list.

    Nothing ever surpassed my Saturn 5 Airfix - it was almost as tall as me.

    Dair said:

    I've missed all those. Will try it. I was bored stiff/schmaltzed out by Finding Nemo and tuned out.

    Thanx - I'll add it to Toy Story 3 and Puss In Boots.

    Dair said:

    A list of recommendations would be much appreciated.

    A few of us swap TV show favourites, but we don't see many film ones. I've mostly stopped watching them and would like to get interested again.

    MM..You may also enjoy "Youth"...got so many films to plough through...so far the standard has been very high.

    If you have not seen it, I think Inside Out is a film a lot of people might miss.

    Despite being a Pixar kids film, it really is filled with feels and an absolutely wonderful movie.
    And Madagascar 3!
    Finding Nemo is very much a kids film. Lego Movie absolutely is not (although kids will love it). It may not be as great if you never had any Lego as a kid but for me it is an all time great film. Inside Out was a complete surprise to me and again, it has a very good story for adults to enjoy.
    If you did have Lego as a kid (especially, and I don't know if this applies to you, you had 1980s Space Lego - or in my case you had standard lego and really envied all your friend with the fancy Space stuff) then the Lego Movie is a "must watch" rather than an "on the list".
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Have you every critisied something Cameron or Osborne have done, or is that a silly question ?

    Yes and Yes.
    The budget was apparently inspired, the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, not the faintest hint of a clusterfuck over immigration, not a broken promise anywhere, the encryption ban idiocy was said to be tickety-boo. Nothing wrong with trying to gut the FoI from all accounts. Replacing Gove with that house-trained muppet Morgan was fine with you. Which bits didn't you like ?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Mr. 124, worth noting Christmas polling can be askew because lots of people bugger off on holiday. [That's the theory, anyway].

    Indeed - but this poll was conducted last weekend and so a trifle early for that to hold water!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    I'm unsure if NPXMPX's position counts as a view of anything - he makes Andy Burnham look like a man of principle.

    TGOHF said:

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    Nick Palmer still posts - he's a Corbynite.
    Now Now - NPXMP has been a Corbynite since the very beginning of the polls that showed him on course to win. You can't teach that sort of loyalty.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero. That may be just a natural fall away after initial enthusiasm - or indicative that things aren't turning out as they expected.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    I am not a Corbynite by a long way but things have not gone as badly as some were predicting before his election. Most commentators seem to think he is more than holding his own at PMQs, Labour has had a sweeping victory at the Oldham West by election and in today's Daily Mail ComRes poll the Tory lead has fallen from 11% to 4% in a month. That's not too bad given the media coverage he has received and many of his problems relate to internal PLP dynamics. Nevertheless we are not looking at the 20 -25 % Tory leads many were looking forward to back in the summer.
    Do you have a link to that poll ?
    I did copy & paste an extract earlier which I found on Polling Report.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I was a 70s Lego. And bought my husband Space and Pneumatic Lego - we loved it.
    Dair said:

    I was a Lego, Airfix and Meccano kid - another for the watch list.

    Nothing ever surpassed my Saturn 5 Airfix - it was almost as tall as me.

    Dair said:

    I've missed all those. Will try it. I was bored stiff/schmaltzed out by Finding Nemo and tuned out.

    Thanx - I'll add it to Toy Story 3 and Puss In Boots.

    Dair said:

    A list of recommendations would be much appreciated.

    A few of us swap TV show favourites, but we don't see many film ones. I've mostly stopped watching them and would like to get interested again.

    MM..You may also enjoy "Youth"...got so many films to plough through...so far the standard has been very high.

    If you have not seen it, I think Inside Out is a film a lot of people might miss.

    Despite being a Pixar kids film, it really is filled with feels and an absolutely wonderful movie.
    And Madagascar 3!
    Finding Nemo is very much a kids film. Lego Movie absolutely is not (although kids will love it). It may not be as great if you never had any Lego as a kid but for me it is an all time great film. Inside Out was a complete surprise to me and again, it has a very good story for adults to enjoy.
    If you did have Lego as a kid (especially, and I don't know if this applies to you, you had 1980s Space Lego - or in my case you had standard lego and really envied all your friend with the fancy Space stuff) then the Lego Movie is a "must watch" rather than an "on the list".
  • Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    His brief endorsement of Yvette was false consciousness.
    TGOHF said:

    I'm unsure if NPXMPX's position counts as a view of anything - he makes Andy Burnham look like a man of principle.

    TGOHF said:

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    Nick Palmer still posts - he's a Corbynite.
    Now Now - NPXMP has been a Corbynite since the very beginning of the polls that showed him on course to win. You can't teach that sort of loyalty.
  • Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.

    There are in theory an infinite number of parallel universes, I'm told. But 500/1 wouldn't begin to cover that.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699

    Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.

    That'll cost me round a thousand pounds if it happens I think :D
  • Mr. 124, fair point.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,285

    MM SPECTRE ARRIVED A FEW MINUTES AGO...Watched Johnny Depp last night in "Black Mass"
    great performance..quite enjoyed Mad Max...mainly from a D.O.P perspective..

    Roger Deakins used to live about five doors down from us when we were in Kingswear, Dartmouth. Not that he was ever there....!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited December 2015
    Oh dear. Audio won't play, but those quotes are OTT. That's an employment tribunal/Party begging for a pay-off.
    dr_spyn said:
  • justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero. That may be just a natural fall away after initial enthusiasm - or indicative that things aren't turning out as they expected.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    I am not a Corbynite by a long way but things have not gone as badly as some were predicting before his election. Most commentators seem to think he is more than holding his own at PMQs, Labour has had a sweeping victory at the Oldham West by election and in today's Daily Mail ComRes poll the Tory lead has fallen from 11% to 4% in a month. That's not too bad given the media coverage he has received and many of his problems relate to internal PLP dynamics. Nevertheless we are not looking at the 20 -25 % Tory leads many were looking forward to back in the summer.
    Do you have a link to that poll ?
    I did copy & paste an extract earlier which I found on Polling Report.
    Cheers.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    MM I met Roger once..I had to film Mel Gibson for a short piece on USA TV and he was filming on the set at Pinewood..Roger was extremely charming and helpful..nice man..
  • @robfordmancs: Net satisfaction oppo ldrs after 3 months (MORI):
    Blair: + 27
    Hague: -6
    IDS: + 2
    Howard: + 8
    Cameron: + 13
    Ed M: + 1

    Corbyn: -17
  • Anyway, time for me to go. I shall leave you with a philosophical conundrum I tweeted earlier this year:
    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/657455982713380864
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited December 2015
    Indigo said:

    The budget was apparently inspired, the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, not the faintest hint of a clusterfuck over immigration, not a broken promise anywhere, the encryption ban idiocy was said to be tickety-boo. Nothing wrong with trying to gut the FoI from all accounts. Replacing Gove with that house-trained muppet Morgan was fine with you. Which bits didn't you like ?

    I've no idea what you're going on about, TBH. I never said the budget was inspired, I said it didn't change much. I never said the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, but I have correctly pointed out that Cameron inherited a weak negotiating position, and suggested sensible people should wait rather than reacting to newspaper speculation. I have criticised Cameron over immigration (and in particular the unwise promise to reduce net immigration), whilst being realistic about what can be done. There is no encryption ban, but I support sensible, balanced measures to keep us safe, and I've criticised ignoramuses who arrogantly think they know more about surveillance techniques than GCHQ do. I don't think I've ever commented on the recent review of FOI. I've never said it was a good thing to move Gove, and I'm not particularly keen on Nicky Morgan. (Mind you, if Gove can shake up the justice and prisons systems, his latest move might turn out to be an inspired).

    If you want to criticise Osborne, the contractors' expenses change is the one to go for amongst recent stuff, although it does look as though the government might be having second thoughts on the worst aspects of it. In particular I have strongly criticised the proposal for treating employees of small service companies and big consultancy firms differently - that would be a disagrace.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699
    @AlastairMeeks And in another universe Jeremy Corbyn leads the Labour party. YEAH RIGHT.

    So much for your fancy theories.
  • Anyway, time for me to go. I shall leave you with a philosophical conundrum I tweeted earlier this year:
    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/657455982713380864

    Without wanting to give away spoilers, the Stormtroopers have improved their aim
  • Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.

    There are in theory an infinite number of parallel universes, I'm told. But 500/1 wouldn't begin to cover that.
    Well you never know.

    The other day I started writing a thread about the possibility of a summit taking place between POTUS Trump and PM Corbyn, and I asked one of the shrewdest political odds compiler what he thought the odds of that happening were, he said 100/1 but I could have 5/1 if I wanted to.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699
    edited December 2015
  • Pulpstar said:

    @AlastairMeeks And in another universe Jeremy Corbyn leads the Labour party. YEAH RIGHT.

    So much for your fancy theories.

    Actually, John Rentoul's article the other day pointed me in the direction of a useful mathematical tool:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/daily-catch-up-more-interesting-numbers-and-other-top-10s-a6773381.html

    "If you have a roulette wheel with an infinite number of slots and you are allowed an infinite number of spins, there is a 37 per cent chance (100/e) that your number will come up."

    Jeremy Corbyn evidently is on the right side of that 37%. My hunch is that Winston McKenzie is not.
  • I'd say SIndy was much bigger culturally for us - breaking up the UK would've been massive.

    I view the EU one as a change of circs - a biggy, but not much change for day to day life or identity.

    Just an aside, heard Kuenssberg saying the referendum vote would be the most significant taken in Britain for decades.

    Did make me wonder if she'd forgotten about Scotland or if she genuinely thought that the UK leaving the EU would be a bigger deal than Scotland leaving the UK.

    Oh, come on, Miss P., Scotland leaving would probably have a big impact on the Scots but the vast majority of the population in England wouldn't even notice they had gone.
    Yes we would miss the whinging. Peace at last.
    I'm confident that you'd find something else to whinge about.
  • Shopping centre evacuated after 'suspicious device goes off'

    Police respond to report that a device had been found in a bin at Preston's Fishergate Shopping Centre

    http://bit.ly/1JdPhGB
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699

    Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.

    There are in theory an infinite number of parallel universes, I'm told. But 500/1 wouldn't begin to cover that.
    Well you never know.

    The other day I started writing a thread about the possibility of a summit taking place between POTUS Trump and PM Corbyn, and I asked one of the shrewdest political odds compiler what he thought the odds of that happening were, he said 100/1 but I could have 5/1 if I wanted to.
    How very generous.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Just seen on Guido that Lucy Allen is also the faux death threat MP - what must her local CP think of this?

    She's a nitwit.
  • I think it might have been better if Telford had remained a Labour hold.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited December 2015

    Oh dear. Audio won't play, but those quotes are OTT. That's an employment tribunal/Party begging for a pay-off.

    dr_spyn said:
    It works here.

    None of us know the full story, but Allan doesn't come across very well.

    However it's odd that the sick assistant could find the strength to listen to the messages but not return the calls, to the clear exasperation of her employer.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Anyway, time for me to go. I shall leave you with a philosophical conundrum I tweeted earlier this year:
    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/657455982713380864

    Without wanting to give away spoilers, the Stormtroopers have improved their aim
    The Stormtroops currently on screen in the remake have improved their aim. We have no idea how the digitally added ones will shoot once Lucas nags Disney enough to get his hands on it for a "special edition".
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,208
    edited December 2015
    On topic - the Ashcroft report on the EU referendum is rich in data and insight. I'm sure it will be studied closely by both camps.

    I particularly like his classification into seven segments, each with different motivations, demographics and propensity to vote.

    I've got out my spreadsheet to analyse the data. Multiplying the size of each segment by their likelihood to vote Leave or Remain gives Leave 52%, Remain 48%.

    36% are almost certain to vote Leave. 32% are almost certain to vote Remain.

    19% (Hard=pressed Undecideds) are not persuadable by DC, are unlikely to vote anyway and can be disregarded.

    The key to the result is the 13% who will "Listen to Dave".

    If DC recommends Remain, then the overall result becomes Leave 47%, Remain 53%.
    If DC recommends Leave, then the result becomes Leave 57%, Remain 43%.

    So it all depends on Dave. But we knew this anyway didn't we..

    My money is on Remain.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited December 2015
    Even if she was enormously annoyed by her temp contractor - her behaviour is completely stupid.

    She's not running some cornershop nail bar where her bullying could fly under the radar - she's one of the most public figures you can get.
    watford30 said:

    Oh dear. Audio won't play, but those quotes are OTT. That's an employment tribunal/Party begging for a pay-off.

    dr_spyn said:
    It works here.

    None of us know the full story, but Allan comes across as a very nasty person.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.

    That'll cost me round a thousand pounds if it happens I think :D
    Put £2.50 on then!
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited December 2015
    Dair said:

    Anyway, time for me to go. I shall leave you with a philosophical conundrum I tweeted earlier this year:
    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/657455982713380864

    Without wanting to give away spoilers, the Stormtroopers have improved their aim
    The Stormtroops currently on screen in the remake have improved their aim. We have no idea how the digitally added ones will shoot once Lucas nags Disney enough to get his hands on it for a "special edition".
    Why would Lucas be recutting another director's film, having sold Lucasfilm?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699

    Pulpstar said:

    Want to enrich Shadsy?

    Winston McKenzie (English Democrat) is 500/1 to be elected Mayor of London.

    That'll cost me round a thousand pounds if it happens I think :D
    Put £2.50 on then!
    Well, Sir Oink-Alot would spoil it too, and the Greens, and the Lib Dems - oh and Galloway. Before I know it I'll be blowing £20 needlessly :D
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited December 2015
    Even if you have no idea who Bernard Donoughue is, this is a must-read:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/bernard-donoughue-he-also-may-have-shot-people-i-always-think-very-good

    Every other paragraph has something amusing or profound in it.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,672
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:


    Really - within 3 years nobody would even notice the difference once we had left the EU.

    Food prices to fall once we're out the CAP ?

    I think fully leaving will take longer than 3 years, there will be alot of untangling to do. And these things make snails look like Frankel.
    Re Frankel - and indeed anyone interested in racing (hello @Malcolmg!) - this is very well worth watching.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-trainer-the-racehorse-frankels-legend/on-demand.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    I think it might have been better if Telford had remained a Labour hold.

    Every indication that she is an obnoxious human being.
  • Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699
    edited December 2015
    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    Telford, Tooting, Richmond Park all next year please !
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,023

    Even if you have no idea who Bernard Donoughue is, this is a must-read:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/bernard-donoughue-he-also-may-have-shot-people-i-always-think-very-good

    Every other paragraph has something amusing or profound in it.

    “When the hard left says that [the media is against them], they’re trying to explain why it is that 90 per cent of the electorate and the public rejects what they’re saying. They think that people are stupid, unlike them, in their great genius, and that those people are therefore forced to reject the hard left because they’re influenced by the media. What a load of arrogant codswallop!”

    So absolutely true. And on PB is relevant in the EU debate. Certain posters bemoan the fact that only "they" will be able to see truth, leaving the masses at the mercy of the unscrupulous media.
  • Meanwhile, the water in the Leave camps seems to have been over-fluoridated:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67s9XQB3ipE
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    From the two headlines that could lead to her losing the whip (really either one would seem enough for me), does she come across as someone who would do the right thing in those circumstances?

    I'd wager she would hold out till 2020.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,699
    edited December 2015
    TOPPING said:

    Even if you have no idea who Bernard Donoughue is, this is a must-read:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/12/bernard-donoughue-he-also-may-have-shot-people-i-always-think-very-good

    Every other paragraph has something amusing or profound in it.

    “When the hard left says that [the media is against them], they’re trying to explain why it is that 90 per cent of the electorate and the public rejects what they’re saying. They think that people are stupid, unlike them, in their great genius, and that those people are therefore forced to reject the hard left because they’re influenced by the media. What a load of arrogant codswallop!”

    So absolutely true. And on PB is relevant in the EU debate. Certain posters bemoan the fact that only "they" will be able to see truth, leaving the masses at the mercy of the unscrupulous media.
    There is half a point here, the general public is thick as pigshit on alot of things political. Take a look at the Question Time audience. And those are the politically engaged ones... frequently councillors !

    The idiocy comes from both the left and the right though.
  • Meanwhile, the water in the Leave camps seems to have been over-fluoridated:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=67s9XQB3ipE

    One of them was an Irishman!
  • Indigo said:

    The budget was apparently inspired, the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, not the faintest hint of a clusterfuck over immigration, not a broken promise anywhere, the encryption ban idiocy was said to be tickety-boo. Nothing wrong with trying to gut the FoI from all accounts. Replacing Gove with that house-trained muppet Morgan was fine with you. Which bits didn't you like ?

    I've no idea what you're going on about, TBH. I never said the budget was inspired, I said it didn't change much. I never said the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, but I have correctly pointed out that Cameron inherited a weak negotiating position, and suggested sensible people should wait rather than reacting to newspaper speculation. I have criticised Cameron over immigration (and in particular the unwise promise to reduce net immigration), whilst being realistic about what can be done. There is no encryption ban, but I support sensible, balanced measures to keep us safe, and I've criticised ignoramuses who arrogantly think they know more about surveillance techniques than GCHQ do. I don't think I've ever commented on the recent review of FOI. I've never said it was a good thing to move Gove, and I'm not particularly keen on Nicky Morgan. (Mind you, if Gove can shake up the justice and prisons systems, his latest move might turn out to be an inspired).

    If you want to criticise Osborne, the contractors' expenses change is the one to go for amongst recent stuff, although it does look as though the government might be having second thoughts on the worst aspects of it. In particular I have strongly criticised the proposal for treating employees of small service companies and big consultancy firms differently - that would be a disagrace.
    You have to remember that you are dealing with people who are making it up as they go along.
  • Meanwhile, the water in the Leave camps seems to have been over-fluoridated:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=67s9XQB3ipE

    One of them was an Irishman!
    "Vote Leave for a better yesterday" doesn't sound like a winning slogan to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    edited December 2015

    Meanwhile, the water in the Leave camps seems to have been over-fluoridated:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=67s9XQB3ipE

    One of them was an Irishman!
    "Vote Leave for a better yesterday" doesn't sound like a winning slogan to me.
    I've suggested "Vote Leave and we get rid of Scotland"

    Sure fire winner.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Can't see her going - a fulsome apology and ego reset is required.
    Pulpstar said:

    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    Telford, Tooting, Richmond Park all next year please !

  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,208
    edited December 2015

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,522
    edited December 2015
    I'm boycotting Star Wars now, It dawned on me it is Islamophobic.

    In Return of the Jedi, the bloke in charge of the terrorist attack on the second Death Star is given an Islamic name.

    Admiral (Allah-u) Ackbar.
  • Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    I can't see it not being made politically significant!
  • Pulpstar said:

    @AlastairMeeks And in another universe Jeremy Corbyn leads the Labour party. YEAH RIGHT.

    So much for your fancy theories.

    Actually, John Rentoul's article the other day pointed me in the direction of a useful mathematical tool:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/daily-catch-up-more-interesting-numbers-and-other-top-10s-a6773381.html

    "If you have a roulette wheel with an infinite number of slots and you are allowed an infinite number of spins, there is a 37 per cent chance (100/e) that your number will come up."

    Jeremy Corbyn evidently is on the right side of that 37%. My hunch is that Winston McKenzie is not.
    This seems odd. If there are an infinite number of spins how will the result ever be determined?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,047
    justin124 said:

    The number of Corbynites posting here has dwindled to almost zero. That may be just a natural fall away after initial enthusiasm - or indicative that things aren't turning out as they expected.

    Certainly not seen so many on Twitter either over the last month or so.

    Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a steep fall in public approval during a month dominated by in-fighting over the Syria war vote, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    Ipsos MORI found that net satisfaction with the Labour leader’s performance had plunged 14 points and, for the first time, half the public are unhappy with the way he is doing his job.

    That's exactly as one would expect. As he comes to the end of his honeymoon period, fewer and fewer moderate voters will give him the benefit of the doubt, and some on the far-left will be becoming disappointed at such compromises as he has been forced to make.
    I am not a Corbynite by a long way but things have not gone as badly as some were predicting before his election. Most commentators seem to think he is more than holding his own at PMQs, Labour has had a sweeping victory at the Oldham West by election and in today's Daily Mail ComRes poll the Tory lead has fallen from 11% to 4% in a month. That's not too bad given the media coverage he has received and many of his problems relate to internal PLP dynamics. Nevertheless we are not looking at the 20 -25 % Tory leads many were looking forward to back in the summer.
    The Oldham by-election was won by a figure from the Labour Right, so no real reflection on Corbyn imo.

    I don't think anyone has seriously gone for Corbyn yet, apart from the early stuff to establish him as an anti-Western terrorist friend who is interested in manholes and turnips, which is easy because it is basically accurate.

    There is a standard Meeja Hate Us and Are Responsible For Anything That Goes Wrong narrative, but that is about it.

    Everybody is just watching the wondrous hole digging.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,236
    Did an interesting ICM just now about ethnic minority attitudes to other minorities. Some of the questions seem pretty loaded, but the results will be interesting nonetheless, and it might also solve some of the underlying questions on how the different minority groups are aligned politically. The survey asked me if I was of Indian descent, I'm sure it does the same for people descended from other countries.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Indigo said:

    The budget was apparently inspired, the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, not the faintest hint of a clusterfuck over immigration, not a broken promise anywhere, the encryption ban idiocy was said to be tickety-boo. Nothing wrong with trying to gut the FoI from all accounts. Replacing Gove with that house-trained muppet Morgan was fine with you. Which bits didn't you like ?

    I've no idea what you're going on about, TBH. I never said the budget was inspired, I said it didn't change much. I never said the EU renegotiation is being handled to perfection, but I have correctly pointed out that Cameron inherited a weak negotiating position, and suggested sensible people should wait rather than reacting to newspaper speculation. I have criticised Cameron over immigration (and in particular the unwise promise to reduce net immigration), whilst being realistic about what can be done. There is no encryption ban, but I support sensible, balanced measures to keep us safe, and I've criticised ignoramuses who arrogantly think they know more about surveillance techniques than GCHQ do. I don't think I've ever commented on the recent review of FOI. I've never said it was a good thing to move Gove, and I'm not particularly keen on Nicky Morgan. (Mind you, if Gove can shake up the justice and prisons systems, his latest move might turn out to be an inspired).

    If you want to criticise Osborne, the contractors' expenses change is the one to go for amongst recent stuff, although it does look as though the government might be having second thoughts on the worst aspects of it. In particular I have strongly criticised the proposal for treating employees of small service companies and big consultancy firms differently - that would be a disagrace.
    You have to remember that you are dealing with people who are making it up as they go along.
    Osborne and The Treasury? Yes, it does look as if that is the case.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,888
    Dair said:

    Anyway, time for me to go. I shall leave you with a philosophical conundrum I tweeted earlier this year:
    https://twitter.com/MorrisF1/status/657455982713380864

    Without wanting to give away spoilers, the Stormtroopers have improved their aim
    The Stormtroops currently on screen in the remake have improved their aim. We have no idea how the digitally added ones will shoot once Lucas nags Disney enough to get his hands on it for a "special edition".
    Are there any jumping from platform to platform scenes that scream 'I'm solely here for the computer game version' ?
  • Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    The Nats would make an Englishman farting in a lift politically significant.
  • Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    The SNP line about Scotland not having a eurosceptic bone in her body is shown to be a lie.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited December 2015
    ''Osborne and The Treasury? Yes, it does look as if that is the case.''

    Jobs are booming and retail sales are charging ahead. Wages are rising and inflation zero.

    Any chancellor worth his salt would be able to make the books balance under those circumstances.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I still think Mind Your Language was rather too close to the knuckle, even for it's time.

    Back in the 80s/90s when I spent time recruiting unskilled/low skilled industrial staff - we all knew not to mix certain ethnic groups as they despised each other.
    MaxPB said:

    Did an interesting ICM just now about ethnic minority attitudes to other minorities. Some of the questions seem pretty loaded, but the results will be interesting nonetheless, and it might also solve some of the underlying questions on how the different minority groups are aligned politically. The survey asked me if I was of Indian descent, I'm sure it does the same for people descended from other countries.

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Mr. 124, worth noting Christmas polling can be askew because lots of people bugger off on holiday. [That's the theory, anyway].

    Those that have money are out enjoying themselves and shopping for Britain.

  • taffys said:

    ''Osborne and The Treasury? Yes, it does look as if that is the case.''

    Jobs are booming and retail sales are charging ahead. Wages are rising and inflation zero.

    Any chancellor worth his salt would be able to make the books balance under those circumstances.

    How.
  • Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    The SNP line about Scotland not having a eurosceptic bone in her body is shown to be a lie.
    Who used that line?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Shopping centre evacuated after 'suspicious device goes off'

    Police respond to report that a device had been found in a bin at Preston's Fishergate Shopping Centre

    http://bit.ly/1JdPhGB

    I am surprised the Telegraph has yet to develop an angle to say the hoverboard recall is an Islamic plot.

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    taffys said:

    ''Osborne and The Treasury? Yes, it does look as if that is the case.''

    Jobs are booming and retail sales are charging ahead. Wages are rising and inflation zero.

    Any chancellor worth his salt would be able to make the books balance under those circumstances.

    How.
    Looking for tips 'George'?
  • Pulpstar said:

    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    Telford, Tooting, Richmond Park all next year please !

    As a one-time resident of Telford, I can safely say that it would be the only interesting thing to happen there.
  • Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    Thanks
    Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    It really does undermine the SNP's case, but it won't make any difference to them repeating the same old bollocks.
  • Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    The SNP line about Scotland not having a eurosceptic bone in her body is shown to be a lie.
    Who used that line?
    Trump's one-time golfing and clubhouse pet.
  • Sad

    @election_data: I won't be tweeting any more but I will leave this account active for DMs, etc.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,100

    Pulpstar said:

    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    Telford, Tooting, Richmond Park all next year please !

    As a one-time resident of Telford, I can safely say that it would be the only interesting thing to happen there.
    It sounds like the time I attended Telford v Gateshead (finished 0-0) was a typical day out!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,309
    Shirley Williams steps down, the nation yawns.
  • Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    The SNP line about Scotland not having a eurosceptic bone in her body is shown to be a lie.
    Who used that line?
    Trump's one-time golfing and clubhouse pet.
    When?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    Scotland voting Remain is a requirement of the best known trigger for the Second Referendum. It is politically significant and voters in Scotland know it.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,309

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    Thanks
    Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    It really does undermine the SNP's case, but it won't make any difference to them repeating the same old bollocks.
    Look, look there's a sectarian date.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,960
    Granted, I had a splitting headache and was sniffling throughout (and not from emotion), but I thought Star Wars was...pretty good. Not world class, but the look and feel were great (although contrivance to make the plot reminiscent of past glories was a bit overdone), the new leads are terrific actors with great chemistry with each other. Overall, it felt like more of a set up movie to be honest, excellent produced, loads of potential, but a lot of it will pay off later.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    edited December 2015
    Re The Tory MP who has alleged "bullied" her employees.

    There is clearly a lot going on. She doesn't sound like a very nice person to work for, but I think there is clearly a bit more going on there.

    HOWEVER...what gets me, is she must be an idiot to leave voicemails like that. If you are in dispute with somebody and given phone hacking, leaking of private emails, undercover recording etc etc etc used against people, you have to be a moron not to ensure that any communications you have with an angry ex-employee are totally mundane. First for any potential tribunal, but secondly because of being leaked against you, as in this case.

    It worries me that people who are so idiotic, like this case and the moronic MPs spouting stuff on twitter e.g. postal vote returns or the info from a private security briefing, as involved in shaping our laws., our lives, etc.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Re. Approval ratings. I see that Dilma Rousseff, President of Brazil, currently has a net approval rating of -61 (9% satisfied; 70% dissatisfied). Even Nick Clegg would have struggled to be that unpopular. All the more extraordinary, given that she was re-elected only just over a year ago.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    dr_spyn said:


    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?

    It really does undermine the SNP's case, but it won't make any difference to them repeating the same old bollocks.
    Look, look there's a sectarian date.
    On that subject, I couldn't help but chuckle that the current subscription price for Cineworld Unlimited is £16,90.

    I wonder if there is a data analyst wherever their headquarters is tearing out their hair trying to work out why West Central Scotland has significantly lower uptake all of a sudden.
  • Re The Tory MP who has alleged "bullied" her employees.

    There is clearly a lot going on. She doesn't sound like a very nice person to work for, but I think there is clearly a bit more going on there.

    HOWEVER...what gets me, is she must be an idiot to leave voicemails like that. If you are in dispute with somebody and given phone hacking, leaking of private emails, undercover recording etc etc etc used against people, you have to be a moron not to ensure that any communications you have with an angry ex-employee are totally mundane. First for any potential tribunal, but secondly because of being leaked against you, as in this case.

    It worries me that people who are so idiotic, like this case and the moronic MPs spouting stuff on twitter e.g. postal vote returns or the info from a private security briefing, as involved in shaping our laws., our lives, etc.

    We have a representative democracy. Idiots deserve their fair share of representation too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    edited December 2015

    Re The Tory MP who has alleged "bullied" her employees.

    There is clearly a lot going on. She doesn't sound like a very nice person to work for, but I think there is clearly a bit more going on there.

    HOWEVER...what gets me, is she must be an idiot to leave voicemails like that. If you are in dispute with somebody and given phone hacking, leaking of private emails, undercover recording etc etc etc used against people, you have to be a moron not to ensure that any communications you have with an angry ex-employee are totally mundane. First for any potential tribunal, but secondly because of being leaked against you, as in this case.

    It worries me that people who are so idiotic, like this case and the moronic MPs spouting stuff on twitter e.g. postal vote returns or the info from a private security briefing, as involved in shaping our laws., our lives, etc.

    We have a representative democracy. Idiots deserve their fair share of representation too.
    :-) If anything I think they may well be over represented!
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Pulpstar said:

    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    Telford, Tooting, Richmond Park all next year please !

    As a one-time resident of Telford, I can safely say that it would be the only interesting thing to happen there.
    It is an incredibly depressing place. I have to have a shower after spending any amount of time there.
  • Dair said:

    Barnesian said:

    Do we have a regional breakdown:? Is there a marked difference of opinion between Scotland/England/Wales/NIreland?

    It's a bit of a maze but as far as I can see Scotland 44% largely Remain, 39% largely Out & 14% undecided. Not sure where the remaining 3% went.

    Pages 24 & 25 have the regional breakdowns.

    http://tinyurl.com/oxkxo3u

    The sample for Scotland is 1690 - a decent size.

    For Scotland, the weighted result is 46% LEAVE, 54% REMAIN.

    For the UK, the weighted result is 52% LEAVE, 48% REMAIN.

    The difference is statistically significant, but is it politically significant?
    Scotland voting Remain is a requirement of the best known trigger for the Second Referendum. It is politically significant and voters in Scotland know it.

    Don't be silly, Scotland voting 54-46 to remain in the EU would be completely insignificant compared to the definitive, conclusive, once-in-generation decision that Scotland made to stay in the Union by 55-45.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,960
    edited December 2015

    Re The Tory MP who has alleged "bullied" her employees.

    There is clearly a lot going on. She doesn't sound like a very nice person to work for, but I think there is clearly a bit more going on there.

    HOWEVER...what gets me, is she must be an idiot to leave voicemails like that. If you are in dispute with somebody and given phone hacking, leaking of private emails, undercover recording etc etc etc used against people, you have to be a moron not to ensure that any communications you have with an angry ex-employee are totally mundane. First for any potential tribunal, but secondly because of being leaked against you, as in this case.

    It worries me that people who are so idiotic, like this case and the moronic MPs spouting stuff on twitter e.g. postal vote returns or the info from a private security briefing, as involved in shaping our laws., our lives, etc.

    We have a representative democracy. Idiots deserve their fair share of representation too.
    Some would say they need representation the most of all, though it would be better if it wasn't by fellow idiots.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,174
    edited December 2015
    MP_SE said:

    Pulpstar said:

    A Telford by-election would be interesting.

    Telford, Tooting, Richmond Park all next year please !

    As a one-time resident of Telford, I can safely say that it would be the only interesting thing to happen there.
    It is an incredibly depressing place. I have to have a shower after spending any amount of time there.
    Its like Milton Keynes without any of the positives ;-)
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