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The big polling news tonight has been the publication of YouGov’s own inquiry into what went wrong. There’s a good summary by the firm’s Anthony Wells on his blog UK Polling report here.
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Excellent observations by Messrs Wells, O'Hara and Smithson0
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Ugh, I cannot stand people who are overly politically engaged ruining things, it makes me sick.
Any idea what by-elections are coming up this week, and how many days until that AV thread?0 -
By staging a referendum on UK’s EU membership, David Cameron has chosen to ‘play with fire’ and may find he is entirely dependent on the decisions of Labour voters to avoid finding himself badly burnt, a leading poll analyst has concluded.
John Curtice reached the conclusion in a new study underlining the risks both Labour and the Conservatives face in the coming months.
Writing for Juncture, the journal of the Institute for Public Policy Research thinktank, Curtice said that on the basis of an average of 20 Britain-wide polls, advocates of the UK remaining in the EU are leading by 53 % to 47%, excluding don’t knows. Two polls conducted by phone show the stay-in camp much further ahead.
Curtice, who masterminded the successful 2015 general election exit poll, also finds that, on average, the most recent polls found that just 38% of Conservative voters say they will vote to stay in, while 49% say they are inclined to vote to leave.
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Thirteen days to go.kle4 said:Ugh, I cannot stand people who are overly politically engaged ruining things, it makes me sick.
Any idea what by-elections are coming up this week, and how many days until that AV thread?0 -
That sounds a bit daft to me.TheScreamingEagles said:By staging a referendum on UK’s EU membership, David Cameron has chosen to ‘play with fire’ and may find he is entirely dependent on the decisions of Labour voters to avoid finding himself badly burnt, a leading poll analyst has concluded.
John Curtice reached the conclusion in a new study underlining the risks both Labour and the Conservatives face in the coming months.
Writing for Juncture, the journal of the Institute for Public Policy Research thinktank, Curtice said that on the basis of an average of 20 Britain-wide polls, advocates of the UK remaining in the EU are leading by 53 % to 47%, excluding don’t knows. Two polls conducted by phone show the stay-in camp much further ahead.
http://bit.ly/1XWVUUp
The outcome of anything where the voters vote is going to be dependent on voters of the 'other' sides as well as those who think like oneself.
Democracy, is it called?0 -
This bit was interesting:
"Breaking down 2010 Liberal Democrat voters by how much attention they pay to politics though shows a fascinating split: 2010 Lib Dem voters who paid a lot of attention to politics were more likely to switch to Labour; people who voted Lib Dem in 2010 but who paid little attention to politics were more likely to split to the Conservatives. If polling samples had people who were too politically engaged, then we’d have too many LD=>Lab people and too few LD=>Con people."
But what I want to hear from the polling companies - and I don't know if YouGov fall into this bracket - is some admittance that their perceptions of what the result should be was part of the problem.
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@KatyTurNBC: BREAKING: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States https://t.co/FJxRSrVE920
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What about the poll that was pretty much spot on, but was suppressed as it wasn't believed?
No amount of logic will make up for humans putting in bias about what they think is right.0 -
Damn, I may not be able to get on the internet that day! Oh, fate is cruel.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thirteen days to go.kle4 said:Ugh, I cannot stand people who are overly politically engaged ruining things, it makes me sick.
Any idea what by-elections are coming up this week, and how many days until that AV thread?
Boy, given where his statements started, it is impressive he can still keep topping himself.Scott_P said:@KatyTurNBC: BREAKING: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States https://t.co/FJxRSrVE92
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Correct.MarkHopkins said:
What about the poll that was pretty much spot on, but was suppressed as it wasn't believed?
No amount of logic will make up for humans putting in bias about what they think is right.0 -
Perhaps now, after 9 years of pleading, the management will refrain from headlining every poll with a thread of its own?
Even if the polls were perfect (aside from MOE), such a policy is bonkers.0 -
Can someone link to the poll in Trump's release, I find that staggering.0
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Woozers how did that Panorama programme get past the BBC lawyers? The presenter has just ended the programme with "I told you [Blatter] was a crook". No alleged or anything, just straight out.
Other thing from the programme, above and beyond obvious finger pointing of corruption throughout FIFA, is the next wave could be big problems for sponsors. Nike had a massive finger pointed at them.0 -
O/T...if you want to know what is wrong with YouGov, watch the Dave Gorman "Modern like is goodish" episode on them. Its laughable how dodgy their demographic data is.0
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Not seen the show, but did they mention Nike's contract with the Brazilian federation?FrancisUrquhart said:Woozers how did that Panorama programme get past the BBC lawyers? The presenter has just ended the programme with "I told you [Blatter] was a crook". No alleged or anything, just straight out.
Other thing from the programme, above and beyond obvious finger pointing of corruption throughout FIFA, is the next wave could be big problems for sponsors. Nike had a massive finger pointed at them.0 -
Yeap. TBH, I am surprised they didn't make a bigger deal of it, as from the 2 minutes they spent on it the allegation is incredibly damaging.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not seen the show, but did they mention Nike's contract with the Brazilian federation?FrancisUrquhart said:Woozers how did that Panorama programme get past the BBC lawyers? The presenter has just ended the programme with "I told you [Blatter] was a crook". No alleged or anything, just straight out.
Other thing from the programme, above and beyond obvious finger pointing of corruption throughout FIFA, is the next wave could be big problems for sponsors. Nike had a massive finger pointed at them.0 -
Pentagon confirms US airstrikes killed head of ISIS in Libya and senior al-Shabaab leader
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3349842/Pentagon-confirms-airstrikes-killed-head-ISIS-Libya-senior-al-Shabaab-leader-Somalia.html0 -
@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.0
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I will be voting to Leave, whatever happens with the negotiations. The EU is in a very fundamental Way something I oppose, it is the embodiment of Big Government, removed from the People, passing roles down from on high, each new regulation and in its own way removes a bit of personal freedom and distorters market, and takes us away form the being a free society, open to volunteer free trade with anybody that wants to. As a general role Big country's are more incline to have bigger governments, where it is easer for special interests to lobby the government for special protection or subsidies, at the expense of everybody else, because the everybody else is so big and spared out they do not notice. It is no coincidence that the freest society's and freest markets tend to be in small contrary's e.g. Iceland and New Zealand.
That sead if we are to stay in, and much as I would want it to be otherwise, I suspect Remain will win the referendum regardless, in which case then whatever can be gained out of theses negotiations the better, even if it is small.0 -
If "The Donald" was just some bloke on twitter, you would be convinced he was the right wing equivalent of that Comarde Grintz guy who took the media for a ride the other day.TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
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Indeed, I've been told that in 1932 Adolf Hitler called for a total and complete shutdown of Jews entering GermanyFrancisUrquhart said:
If "The Donald" was just some bloke on twitter, you would be convinced he was the right wing equivalent of that Comarde Grintz guy who took the media for a ride the other day.TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
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The GOP race is the greatest game of right wing top trumps on earth.0
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FPT
flightpath01 said:
'baby led tweeting'
Why stop there?.....Perhaps pregnant mothers should be given the right to vote by proxy for those that "we're unable" to attend the polling station in person?0 -
"The Donald" has said point blank he's going to loot all the oil in the middle east too. Not even a hint of trying to hide it.0
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Don't cry because he won't let you in.TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
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I accidently tuned in to one of his speeches where he said he would steal the oil to give to the families of those who died out there.Pulpstar said:"The Donald" has said point blank he's going to loot all the oil in the middle east too. Not even a hint of trying to hide it.
He was mildly amusing to begin with but is clearly bonkers. Some have claimed he is doing it for the publicity but he is coming across as someone quite nasty.0 -
What the pack name of this set of Top Trumps? Racists, loons, nutjobs and morons?Pulpstar said:The GOP race is the greatest game of right wing top trumps on earth.
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It was when he tweeted that inaccurate/racist deaths by African-American graphic I realised he wasn't a joke, but something vile and nastyMP_SE said:
I accidently tuned in to one of his speeches where he said he would steal the oil to give to the families of those who died out there.Pulpstar said:"The Donald" has said point blank he's going to loot all the oil in the middle east too. Not even a hint of trying to hide it.
He was mildly amusing to begin with but is clearly bonkers. Some have claimed he is doing it for the publicity but he is coming across as someone quite nasty.0 -
Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.0 -
This falls under the same logic as the landing card they used to give non US citizens on arrival USA. They basically asked you to tick a box that stated yes if you were going to commit insurrection or overthrow the government or / and are you importing a bazooka (or similar) to do same.Scott_P said:@KatyTurNBC: BREAKING: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States https://t.co/FJxRSrVE92
Often wondered though what would happen if you said yes. Never chanced it to find out0 -
" supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts"DecrepitJohnL said:Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.
But you would get...
Tesco - Labour
Sainsbury - Lib Dem or Green
Waitrose - Tory
Lidl - Do not vote
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Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html0 -
I always thought Waitrose would be the Green store, being all posh, though I've never been in one.MarkHopkins said:
" supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts"DecrepitJohnL said:Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.
But you would get...
Tesco - Labour
Sainsbury - Lib Dem or Green
Waitrose - Tory
Lidl - Do not vote0 -
Guardian readers are less smart than German 10-year-olds - official
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/dec/07/did-you-solve-it-guardian-readers-are-less-smart-that-german-10-year-olds-official
Snigger snigger...0 -
I guess that makes @isam a pb Tory.FrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html0 -
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...0 -
Waitrose, also Lib Dem..Definitely.kle4 said:
I always thought Waitrose would be the Green store, being all posh, though I've never been in one.MarkHopkins said:
" supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts"DecrepitJohnL said:Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.
But you would get...
Tesco - Labour
Sainsbury - Lib Dem or Green
Waitrose - Tory
Lidl - Do not vote0 -
"It's my party and you cry if you want to...."MikeK said:
Don't cry because he won't let you in.TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
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That rings true. We heard a lot from the Red Liberals in 2010-15 because they were really interested and really angry. We didn't hear much from the "oh, I'll take a safe centre party, I suppose" LibDems, because they were busy with other interests. Come the election, a lot of them drifted to the Tories, perceiving them as a safe centre(ish) party.tlg86 said:This bit was interesting:
"Breaking down 2010 Liberal Democrat voters by how much attention they pay to politics though shows a fascinating split: 2010 Lib Dem voters who paid a lot of attention to politics were more likely to switch to Labour; people who voted Lib Dem in 2010 but who paid little attention to politics were more likely to split to the Conservatives. If polling samples had people who were too politically engaged, then we’d have too many LD=>Lab people and too few LD=>Con people."0 -
Are Leave.EU a front for Remain? Honestly this looks like a Fast Show spoof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mqsb5cLniI0 -
@AgentP22: "Please Please Tell Me Now, Is There Something I Should Know?"
I think Simon knows now. https://t.co/mgt8f6e5130 -
I have a new theory. Trump really, really, really does not want the nomination. He is becoming as scared as we are that he will get it. So with each poll that goes by with him still in the lead, he will say something even more outrageous than his last outrage to try to lose the nomination.Scott_P said:@KatyTurNBC: BREAKING: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States https://t.co/FJxRSrVE92
Alas, I am begining to think that even that may not work.0 -
Mr. Cholmondley-Warner's guide to the EU....Women know your place...TheScreamingEagles said:Are Leave.EU a front for Remain? Honestly this looks like a Fast Show spoof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mqsb5cLniI0 -
Trump theme song?Moses_ said:
"It's my party and you cry if you want to...."MikeK said:
Don't cry because he won't let you in.TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
*gets coat*
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Waitrose is the Tory party, shopping. Or at least it is in Wales. The LDs are all down the Co-op.FrancisUrquhart said:
Waitrose, also Lib Dem..Definitely.kle4 said:
I always thought Waitrose would be the Green store, being all posh, though I've never been in one.MarkHopkins said:
" supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts"DecrepitJohnL said:Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.
But you would get...
Tesco - Labour
Sainsbury - Lib Dem or Green
Waitrose - Tory
Lidl - Do not vote0 -
You're one up on me. I've never even seen one let alone been in one.kle4 said:
I always thought Waitrose would be the Green store, being all posh, though I've never been in one.
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All the academic types I associate with can't get enough of Waitrose, and they most certainly don't vote Tory. John Lewis / Waitrose / Ocada appears to many of them their religion of choice, in their ratified bubbly world where Waitrose prices aren't an issue.John_M said:
Waitrose is the Tory party, shopping. Or at least it is in Wales. The LDs are all down the Co-op.FrancisUrquhart said:
Waitrose, also Lib Dem..Definitely.kle4 said:
I always thought Waitrose would be the Green store, being all posh, though I've never been in one.MarkHopkins said:
" supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts"DecrepitJohnL said:Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.
But you would get...
Tesco - Labour
Sainsbury - Lib Dem or Green
Waitrose - Tory
Lidl - Do not vote
I would have thought a good old traditional Tory voter would be repulsed by the high prices and instead down Aldi or Lidl showing how the private sector can provide excellent "value for money".0 -
My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.0 -
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
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This is interesting from UKPR:
"Breaking down 2010 Liberal Democrat voters by how much attention they pay to politics though shows a fascinating split: 2010 Lib Dem voters who paid a lot of attention to politics were more likely to switch to Labour; people who voted Lib Dem in 2010 but who paid little attention to politics were more likely to split to the Conservatives. If polling samples had people who were too politically engaged, then we’d have too many LD=>Lab people and too few LD=>Con people."
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What a mess. No way near as funny as this one put out by Arron Banks:TheScreamingEagles said:Are Leave.EU a front for Remain? Honestly this looks like a Fast Show spoof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsW8WID1kU
Starring David Cameron as Tony Blair and Nick Clegg as the Yes Man.0 -
Don't know. I saw it on twitter years ago, and it summed up my feelings perfectly.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
PS - You're a git, I spent most of this morning thinking about Corbyn tea-bagging Diane Abbott thanks to you.
My therapist's bill is in the post to you0 -
I like John Lewis and Waitrose. Proper workers cooperative.TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.0 -
This is from George W Bush's former press secretary
@AriFleischer: Trump's statement calling for a total ban on all Muslims entering the US is nuts. I'd like to see Trump tell that to Muhammad Ali0 -
Absolute rubbish.TheScreamingEagles said:
@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
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It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
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They are round here - the nearest Aldi has a car park and its is mostly full of four by fours, beamers, mercs and other motors of the monied middle classes. In my local town we have a Lidl and a Waitrose, neither with a dedicated car park, but I see the same faces in both, doing as I do, buying where the value is.FrancisUrquhart said:
All the academic types I associate with can't get enough of Waitrose, and they most certainly don't vote Tory. John Lewis / Waitrose / Ocada appears to many of them their religion of choice, in their ratified bubbly world where Waitrose prices aren't an issue.John_M said:
Waitrose is the Tory party, shopping. Or at least it is in Wales. The LDs are all down the Co-op.FrancisUrquhart said:
Waitrose, also Lib Dem..Definitely.kle4 said:
I always thought Waitrose would be the Green store, being all posh, though I've never been in one.MarkHopkins said:
" supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts"DecrepitJohnL said:Here is my one-step plan for increasing poll response rates.
1) Don't ask so many bloody questions.
That's it. If you want to ask people how they'll vote, ask that and nothing else. Certainly not an hour's worth of what do you think about policies X, Y and Z to which no normal human being will have given a moment's consideration. That's what puts people off.
If one of the big supermarket chains put a one-question polling device at their checkouts next election, they'd get a massive sample which would probably predict the winners better than most pollsters.
But you would get...
Tesco - Labour
Sainsbury - Lib Dem or Green
Waitrose - Tory
Lidl - Do not vote
I would have thought a good old traditional Tory voter would be repulsed by the high prices and instead down Aldi or Lidl showing how the private sector can provide excellent "value for money".
As for Waitrose prices: provided one is not stupid they are comparable to Tesco and Sainsbury (e.g. a roast chicken for my cat is about a fiver in any of the three), but it is a nicer shop.
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Crikey, a therapist bill for a lawyer ain't gonna be cheap!TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't know. I saw it on twitter years ago, and it summed up my feelings perfectly.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
PS - You're a git, I spent most of this morning thinking about Corbyn tea-bagging Diane Abbott thanks to you.
My therapist's bill is in the post to you
Edit. Alan Coren used that gag on the News Quiz some years ago. He may have nabbed it from somewhere else tbf.0 -
Chris Christie on Trump statement: " that’s a ridiculous position and one that won’t even be productive."0
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Scottish Independence based on oil price of $110.
Now $40.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6f2fd24e-5d29-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html#axzz3tdIvRF2Z
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy0 -
Would explain this pictureHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Crikey, a therapist bill for a lawyer ain't gonna be cheap!TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't know. I saw it on twitter years ago, and it summed up my feelings perfectly.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
PS - You're a git, I spent most of this morning thinking about Corbyn tea-bagging Diane Abbott thanks to you.
My therapist's bill is in the post to you
Edit. Alan Coren used that gag on the News Quiz some years ago. He may have nabbed it from somewhere else tbf.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUwXWm8XIAAZX28.jpg0 -
Having watched a lot of it, and the end, there is not a lot Blatter can do. That TV contract signed by both Blatter and Warner giving away the rights to the World Cup below the prices charged for previous ones is the equivalent of signing your own death warrant, especially as Warner made such a large profit selling on the rights.FrancisUrquhart said:Woozers how did that Panorama programme get past the BBC lawyers? The presenter has just ended the programme with "I told you [Blatter] was a crook". No alleged or anything, just straight out.
Other thing from the programme, above and beyond obvious finger pointing of corruption throughout FIFA, is the next wave could be big problems for sponsors. Nike had a massive finger pointed at them.
What will Blatter do? Sue the BBC? I have the feeling that the BBC would be quite happy if he tried, it looked as if there was a good bit more waiting for a chance to be aired and they were dangling the bait in front of him.0 -
Reminds me of this...TheScreamingEagles said:
Would explain this pictureHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Crikey, a therapist bill for a lawyer ain't gonna be cheap!TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't know. I saw it on twitter years ago, and it summed up my feelings perfectly.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
PS - You're a git, I spent most of this morning thinking about Corbyn tea-bagging Diane Abbott thanks to you.
My therapist's bill is in the post to you
Edit. Alan Coren used that gag on the News Quiz some years ago. He may have nabbed it from somewhere else tbf.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUwXWm8XIAAZX28.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/567655461676396545/3Et_MNG-.jpeg
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Carry on the Labour Party?MarkHopkins said:
Reminds me of this...TheScreamingEagles said:
Would explain this pictureHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Crikey, a therapist bill for a lawyer ain't gonna be cheap!TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't know. I saw it on twitter years ago, and it summed up my feelings perfectly.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
PS - You're a git, I spent most of this morning thinking about Corbyn tea-bagging Diane Abbott thanks to you.
My therapist's bill is in the post to you
Edit. Alan Coren used that gag on the News Quiz some years ago. He may have nabbed it from somewhere else tbf.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUwXWm8XIAAZX28.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/567655461676396545/3Et_MNG-.jpeg
Jeremy Corbyn as Sid James
Diane Abbott as Barbara Windsor0 -
Most drug users don't of course. However the modern strands of cannabis have a much, much higher content of the active ingredient than the "organic" (for want of a better word) stuff of the past. The evidence of cannabis induced psychosis is now I think pretty unassailable and so is the rate of increase of the number of people suffering from the same.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.0 -
I thought Mohammad Ali's name was Cassius Clay and converted to Islam due to Malcolm X in the 1970's.TheScreamingEagles said:This is from George W Bush's former press secretary
@AriFleischer: Trump's statement calling for a total ban on all Muslims entering the US is nuts. I'd like to see Trump tell that to Muhammad Ali
But what to expect from a Bush administration guy is not intelligence.0 -
puff in the late 80s and early 90s was like shandy bass compared to the terps they smoke nowHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The list of recent terrorist acts made by heavy cannabis smokers is quite an eye opener0 -
Talking about flailing over reactions, do you want me remind you of your posts when the Glasgow bin lorry crash happened or when when we heard about the shooting in Norway in 2011?SeanT said:
It really is the most total bollocks. It's effete, flailing over reactions like this which will, in the end, lead to a president Le Pen or POTUS Trump. If not now, then 10 years hence.AndyJS said:Absolute rubbish.
TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
I'm in Venice doing a travel piece. There is rival graffiti here between hard left and hard right. Anti immigrant and anti banker. It's very striking. In the end the bourgeois will side with the banker, and the hard right, not the immigrant, and the hard left. The job of all democrats is to answer the average voter's concerns before we reach that terrible dichotomy.0 -
Now, that I've poked the hornets' nest, goodnight.0
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So if you want to be on the electoral register you have to sign up for the YouGov panel. Problem solved.
What next from Trump - convert or be interned?0 -
Nah......TheScreamingEagles said:
Would explain this pictureHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Crikey, a therapist bill for a lawyer ain't gonna be cheap!TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't know. I saw it on twitter years ago, and it summed up my feelings perfectly.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That was an Alan Coren gag?TheScreamingEagles said:My favourite supermarket is Sainsburys.
Keeps the riff-raff out of my local Waitrose.
PS - You're a git, I spent most of this morning thinking about Corbyn tea-bagging Diane Abbott thanks to you.
My therapist's bill is in the post to you
Edit. Alan Coren used that gag on the News Quiz some years ago. He may have nabbed it from somewhere else tbf.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUwXWm8XIAAZX28.jpg
that's the pic where He's pushing a Thomas the tank engine train and just going "toot toot. "
(I could suggest that as an "here comes the choo choo" situation ..... but as you are already under counselling I won't mention it)0 -
Makes you wonder if you have a group that is anti immigrant and anti banker, not just one of the two but both, what the result would be.SeanT said:
It really is the most total bollocks. It's effete, flailing over reactions like this which will, in the end, lead to a president Le Pen or POTUS Trump. If not now, then 10 years hence.AndyJS said:Absolute rubbish.
TheScreamingEagles said:@MartinOMalley: .@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue.
I'm in Venice doing a travel piece. There is rival graffiti here between hard left and hard right. Anti immigrant and anti banker. It's very striking. In the end the bourgeois will side with the banker, and the hard right, not the immigrant, and the hard left. The job of all democrats is to answer the average voter's concerns before we reach that terrible dichotomy.
One example might be Trump.0 -
Well no. But given the trouble the BBC has had over the past 2-3 years and reputation, they are normally very very cautious about allowing such direct statements to be made e.g They often let others say for them.OchEye said:
Having watched a lot of it, and the end, there is not a lot Blatter can do. That TV contract signed by both Blatter and Warner giving away the rights to the World Cup below the prices charged for previous ones is the equivalent of signing your own death warrant, especially as Warner made such a large profit selling on the rights.FrancisUrquhart said:Woozers how did that Panorama programme get past the BBC lawyers? The presenter has just ended the programme with "I told you [Blatter] was a crook". No alleged or anything, just straight out.
Other thing from the programme, above and beyond obvious finger pointing of corruption throughout FIFA, is the next wave could be big problems for sponsors. Nike had a massive finger pointed at them.
What will Blatter do? Sue the BBC? I have the feeling that the BBC would be quite happy if he tried, it looked as if there was a good bit more waiting for a chance to be aired and they were dangling the bait in front of him.
The program annoyed me a little bit. The "jokey" style and a lot of rehashes of old programmes, when the subject matter is extremely serious i.e. worldwide racketeering and clearly they have loads more in the filing cabinet.
The presenter flying around the world to be predictably told he wasn't welcome at somebodies home. I would have much preferred time spent explaining more about how the alleged scheme worked and also more about the latest info e.g. this Nike contract.0 -
Blatter is what the authorities accuse him, there is more than plenty of evidence for many years of those corruption charges, and everyone is awaiting his arrest either from the FBI or the swiss police any day now.OchEye said:
Having watched a lot of it, and the end, there is not a lot Blatter can do. That TV contract signed by both Blatter and Warner giving away the rights to the World Cup below the prices charged for previous ones is the equivalent of signing your own death warrant, especially as Warner made such a large profit selling on the rights.FrancisUrquhart said:Woozers how did that Panorama programme get past the BBC lawyers? The presenter has just ended the programme with "I told you [Blatter] was a crook". No alleged or anything, just straight out.
Other thing from the programme, above and beyond obvious finger pointing of corruption throughout FIFA, is the next wave could be big problems for sponsors. Nike had a massive finger pointed at them.
What will Blatter do? Sue the BBC? I have the feeling that the BBC would be quite happy if he tried, it looked as if there was a good bit more waiting for a chance to be aired and they were dangling the bait in front of him.0 -
I'm staying up for a bit now. Got a guest piece to upload and format.SeanT said:
The very definition of a coward.TheScreamingEagles said:Now, that I've poked the hornets' nest, goodnight.
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It's unambiguously demagoguery to say you should be kept out of America for the thoughtcrime of being a Muslim
Some people are just more vulnerable to it than otherrs0 -
The race for the nomination is to the one who provokes more and gets more attention, that's how Trump is leading, that is what Carson did to lead, and that is what Cruz is also doing to catch up.SandyRentool said:So if you want to be on the electoral register you have to sign up for the YouGov panel. Problem solved.
What next from Trump - convert or be interned?
Don't forget the average republican voter is a fat guy in the countryside (who urgently needs a diet), watching TV (preferably Fox News) with a pitchfork (a machine gun probably).
This is what Trump does best and he loves it:
http://i.imgur.com/pkGuP8k.gif0 -
Muslims fleeing ISIS in the millions because ISIS wants to kill them
Some Westerners say: Let's repeat our behaviour to refugees in the Holocaust, because that was great0 -
I stopped puffing 2 years ago (and still have the odd one now), am well aware of how strong the current strains are.isam said:
puff in the late 80s and early 90s was like shandy bass compared to the terps they smoke nowHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The list of recent terrorist acts made by heavy cannabis smokers is quite an eye opener0 -
On topic: I'm a bit sceptical (but then, I'm a scientist so I'm sceptical by training).
My scepticism on this occasion is as follows. OK, we have a hypothesis: the problem was largely one of differential respondent behaviour by age. It's a good hypothesis, but it still needs to be tested. And surely the very first test you would apply is to look back at 2010 and 2005. What didn't this problem show up then?0 -
HL, I know a number of growers and a large number of users, we really are getting into the 'the booze made me beat my wife up' territory.HurstLlama said:
Most drug users don't of course. However the modern strands of cannabis have a much, much higher content of the active ingredient than the "organic" (for want of a better word) stuff of the past. The evidence of cannabis induced psychosis is now I think pretty unassailable and so is the rate of increase of the number of people suffering from the same.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The individual is absolutely at fault for what he done. No excuses.0 -
Well looking at all pollsters, they all had the same problem, and it was seen in most of Lord A's by-election polls too, that turnout prediction especially from young people was overstated.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: I'm a bit sceptical (but then, I'm a scientist so I'm sceptical by training).
My scepticism on this occasion is as follows. OK, we have a hypothesis: the problem was largely one of differential respondent behaviour by age. It's a good hypothesis, but it still needs to be tested. And surely the very first test you would apply is to look back at 2010 and 2005. What didn't this problem show up then?
On election night, I was the first to say the pollsters got turnout wrong and that was the main reason why they got the result wrong.
Here is the first example, Eastleigh by-election, Survation predicted at least a 61.4% turnout based on 10/10 responses, the result was 52.8% turnout.0 -
What do you think about the fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have refused to take a single refugee from the Middle East?EPG said:
Muslims fleeing ISIS in the millions because ISIS wants to kill them
Some Westerners say: Let's repeat our behaviour to refugees in the Holocaust, because that was great0 -
I don't indulge in that 'Vice' but its your chose and I would not wish to stop you, or anybody having that freedom.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I stopped puffing 2 years ago (and still have the odd one now), am well aware of how strong the current strains are.isam said:
puff in the late 80s and early 90s was like shandy bass compared to the terps they smoke nowHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The list of recent terrorist acts made by heavy cannabis smokers is quite an eye opener
So Long as it is illegal, there is good incentive for the stronger variety's, classic market forces will encourage stronger variety's that are therefore also smaller and easier to hide, both when still a plant and when prepared for smocking. Indeed the rise of 'Skunk' was very much a case of market forces, trying to concentrate so much that it could be smuggled easily.
Where it has been legalised e.g. Colorado, the trend, anecdotally at least, seems to be that milder variety's are gaining in popularity.
When will the day come when my taxes are not wasted on putting people in prison for doing no different than the Brewers who make my bear that I so much enjoy and are grateful for!
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This:AndyJS said:What do you think about the fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have refused to take a single refugee from the Middle East?
EPG said:Muslims fleeing ISIS in the millions because ISIS wants to kill them
Some Westerners say: Let's repeat our behaviour to refugees in the Holocaust, because that was great
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
According to that, Muslim countries are the world most racist and intolerant countries in the world, after caste-based India of course.0 -
About what?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm staying up for a bit now. Got a guest piece to upload and format.SeanT said:
The very definition of a coward.TheScreamingEagles said:Now, that I've poked the hornets' nest, goodnight.
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I bow to your superior knowledge and of course I agree that the individual is responsible for his/her own actions in accordance with the law. However, I do think you might look at the incidence of psychosis linked to cannabis use, the picture is not at all rosy.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
HL, I know a number of growers and a large number of users, we really are getting into the 'the booze made me beat my wife up' territory.HurstLlama said:
Most drug users don't of course. However the modern strands of cannabis have a much, much higher content of the active ingredient than the "organic" (for want of a better word) stuff of the past. The evidence of cannabis induced psychosis is now I think pretty unassailable and so is the rate of increase of the number of people suffering from the same.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The individual is absolutely at fault for what he done. No excuses.0 -
JezBigRich said:
About what?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm staying up for a bit now. Got a guest piece to upload and format.SeanT said:
The very definition of a coward.TheScreamingEagles said:Now, that I've poked the hornets' nest, goodnight.
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I've always wondered precisely what a Flat White is. Now Newsnight is telling me, so thanks to them.0
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They have let in large numbers on tempoary visitors visas though. Quite canny as that can be reversed a bit more easily than refugee status.AndyJS said:What do you think about the fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have refused to take a single refugee from the Middle East?
EPG said:Muslims fleeing ISIS in the millions because ISIS wants to kill them
Some Westerners say: Let's repeat our behaviour to refugees in the Holocaust, because that was great0 -
If you are ranking racist countries don't forget to look at China and Japan - they will give even the worst of the Arabs a run for the title.Speedy said:
This:AndyJS said:What do you think about the fact that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have refused to take a single refugee from the Middle East?
EPG said:Muslims fleeing ISIS in the millions because ISIS wants to kill them
Some Westerners say: Let's repeat our behaviour to refugees in the Holocaust, because that was great
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
According to that, Muslim countries are the world most racist and intolerant countries in the world, after caste-based India of course.0 -
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/11/an-appeal-to-reason-and-a-challenge-to-the-twisters-of-words.htmlHurstLlama said:
I bow to your superior knowledge and of course I agree that the individual is responsible for his/her own actions in accordance with the law. However, I do think you might look at the incidence of psychosis linked to cannabis use, the picture is not at all rosy.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
HL, I know a number of growers and a large number of users, we really are getting into the 'the booze made me beat my wife up' territory.HurstLlama said:
Most drug users don't of course. However the modern strands of cannabis have a much, much higher content of the active ingredient than the "organic" (for want of a better word) stuff of the past. The evidence of cannabis induced psychosis is now I think pretty unassailable and so is the rate of increase of the number of people suffering from the same.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The individual is absolutely at fault for what he done. No excuses.0 -
presumably your taxes will be wasted on treating the cancers and other health problems related to smoking insteadBigRich said:
When will the day come when my taxes are not wasted on putting people in prison for doing no different than the Brewers who make my bear that I so much enjoy and are grateful for!0 -
I would agree with this post.BigRich said:
I don't indulge in that 'Vice' but its your chose and I would not wish to stop you, or anybody having that freedom.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I stopped puffing 2 years ago (and still have the odd one now), am well aware of how strong the current strains are.isam said:
puff in the late 80s and early 90s was like shandy bass compared to the terps they smoke nowHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
It's nonsense to blame puffing for making him do it.isam said:
I do believe I called "Schizophrenic" on Saturday nightFrancisUrquhart said:Family of Tube terror accused called in police three weeks before Leytonstone attack
The family is understood to have told officers they wanted Mire committed under the Mental Health Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12036774/Leytonstone-Tube-attack-Muhaydin-Mire-appears-in-court.html
I will fess up, it was a slightly racist profiling technique, but big black man with machete to me says "Cannabis psychosis" rather than "World domination"
It is a view shared by a pretty prominent UKIP politician too...
Declare an interest: I was a very heavy dope smoker for the best part of 20 years.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never stabbed anyone.
The list of recent terrorist acts made by heavy cannabis smokers is quite an eye opener
So Long as it is illegal, there is good incentive for the stronger variety's, classic market forces will encourage stronger variety's that are therefore also smaller and easier to hide, both when still a plant and when prepared for smocking. Indeed the rise of 'Skunk' was very much a case of market forces, trying to concentrate so much that it could be smuggled easily.
Where it has been legalised e.g. Colorado, the trend, anecdotally at least, seems to be that milder variety's are gaining in popularity.
When will the day come when my taxes are not wasted on putting people in prison for doing no different than the Brewers who make my bear that I so much enjoy and are grateful for!
It must have been the same during the prohibition era in the US. Better to smuggle brandy than beer.
But the point of my post was that if someone does something bad while under the influence. It is the individual that bears the responsibility.
Booze or dope may have lowered the inhibitions, but it doesn't excuse their actions.0 -
2016 Poll Alert.
New CNN/ORC IOWA poll, Trump at all time high:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/poll-results-ted-cruz-donald-trump-iowa/index.html
Trump 33 /+8
Cruz 20 /+9
Carson 16 /-7
Rubio 11 /-2
Bush 4 /-1
Paul 3 /+1
Fiorina 3 /-1
Christie 2 /-1
Huckabee 2 /0
Others less than 2 (who cares).
Kasich 1 /-1
Santorum 1 /+1
I told you the average republican voter likes the Trump stuff.0 -
How I learnt to stop worrying and back momentum ?TheScreamingEagles said:
JezBigRich said:
About what?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm staying up for a bit now. Got a guest piece to upload and format.SeanT said:
The very definition of a coward.TheScreamingEagles said:Now, that I've poked the hornets' nest, goodnight.
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That. But also the premise of all statistical inference is that you have a random sample from the relevant population (i.e. people eligible to vote). That is what lies behind "margin of error" calculations. YouGov's selected samples simply don't conform to that desideratum.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: I'm a bit sceptical (but then, I'm a scientist so I'm sceptical by training).
My scepticism on this occasion is as follows. OK, we have a hypothesis: the problem was largely one of differential respondent behaviour by age. It's a good hypothesis, but it still needs to be tested. And surely the very first test you would apply is to look back at 2010 and 2005. What didn't this problem show up then?0 -
it would be interesting to know if things like domestic violence or street fights commonly associated with alcohol were reduced during the US prohibition era. I guess the data probably wasn't systematically collected in those daysHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I would agree with this post.
It must have been the same during the prohibition era in the US. Better to smuggle brandy than beer.
But the point of my post was that if someone does something bad while under the influence. It is the individual that bears the responsibility.
Booze or dope may have lowered the inhibitions, but it doesn't excuse their actions.0