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Until now the ongoing Tory bullying scandal has been largely over-shadowed by the events within LAB. This could possibly change following this afternoon’s resignation from his post as a minister of the party chairman at the General Election last May, Grant Shapps.
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No! This won't make a ha'peth of difference to the Labour civil wars.0
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Blimey beside the ECML?0
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It's a very sorry episode, but doesn't change anything in the political weather. It's raining cats and dogs on Labour.0
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FPT
They got a splendidly massive 0.9% at Rochester & Strood a year ago.john_zims said:@PClipp
'I find it very strange that Mr Cameron wants to take us into a complicated war in the Middle East, when he cannot even keep things under control within the Conservative Party itself.'
Do you think the Lib Dems will save their deposit next week ?0 -
Needs to run for awhile to take the heat of Labour at present.0
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that tories contain some rum coves among the diamond geezers is already priced in. so m'afraid it won't help labour at allPlato_Says said:It's a very sorry episode, but doesn't change anything in the political weather. It's raining cats and dogs on Labour.
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By threatening deselection of MPs who do not toe the Party line is bullying in the extreme...Corbyn is threatening to take their jobs.. how bad is that on the bullying scale0
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This is the case in all parties. Tories turn at moment.dugarbandier said:
that tories contain some rum coves among the diamond geezers is already priced in. so m'afraid it won't help labour at allPlato_Says said:It's a very sorry episode, but doesn't change anything in the political weather. It's raining cats and dogs on Labour.
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If @jungleland is lurking....
You mentioned SPIN were considering putting up a few more OW&R markets a few days ago.
Just to say I'd be interested in a party %'age spread.
Even better would be a raw votes market, though. I'm not sure how the stakes would work on that - maybe votes/1000 or something? Trading the raw vote numbers would be awesome.
I'll admit it, I'm a geek.
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At least Shapps has stopped the buck, and resigned. Rennard was given a promotion, then forced to step back.flightpath01 said:
This is the case in all parties. Tories turn at moment.dugarbandier said:
that tories contain some rum coves among the diamond geezers is already priced in. so m'afraid it won't help labour at allPlato_Says said:It's a very sorry episode, but doesn't change anything in the political weather. It's raining cats and dogs on Labour.
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Did he change a benefit so new applicants were disadvantaged compred to existing claimants?Pulpstar said:
Noone successfully sued Gordon Brown iirc...Dair said:
Out of interest.Pulpstar said:
Osborne has learnt the golden rule of cuts methinks:Philip_Thompson said:Someone posted the other day that Thatcher over her decade in office reduced the state as a proportion of GDP by 6.8% while Osborne after five years has reduced it by 6% already. At this rate I'd expect Osborne to beat Thatchers record without being seen as to the right of Thatcher.
Mr & Mrs Smith with their 3 kids currently receive 3 big bag of sweets courtesy of Gordon B.
Osborne wanted to take away 2 bags of sweets, but the Smiths kicked up such a rumpus to their local MP, Tory A (Whose vote Osborne needs to win the leadership election) that he decided it wasn't worth his while.
So Mr and Mrs Junior Jones who will be having 3 kids by 2019 will however be getting half a bag of sweets courtesy of IDS. They won't have splashed out on the 55" TV that Mr & Smith will have done.
Long term obviously there is far more Junior Jones than Smiths. Hence the finances get in order.
What happens when Mr and Mrs Junior Jones and their do-gooder lawyer decide to sue the government over a policy whereby, despite identical situation, they get less support from the government.
I'm not sure the government can be so confident this plan will work.0 -
So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
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Rennard has resigned from the LD federal executive.Plato_Says said:At least Shapps has stopped the buck, and resigned. Rennard was given a promotion.
flightpath01 said:
This is the case in all parties. Tories turn at moment.dugarbandier said:
that tories contain some rum coves among the diamond geezers is already priced in. so m'afraid it won't help labour at allPlato_Says said:It's a very sorry episode, but doesn't change anything in the political weather. It's raining cats and dogs on Labour.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/17/tim-farron-urges-lord-rennard-to-step-down-from-lib-dem-executive0 -
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.0 -
Afternoon all
Does this count as the first Ministerial resignation of the new Government and what price was Shapps to be the first one out ?
Oldham isn't the only contest in a safe Labour seat this week and I'm just back from a cold afternoon's leafleting. Can't honestly say "the Corbyn effect" was much in evidence but as with most December elections it won't be a high turnout.0 -
It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.0
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I presume something worse is coming in the Sunday's if Shapps is gone. He rode out previous scandals, Mr Green et al. TBH, the Tories would have been very wise to have ditched him ages ago.0
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IIRC Shapps was dropped from the cabinet after the election.stodge said:Afternoon all
Does this count as the first Ministerial resignation of the new Government and what price was Shapps to be the first one out ?
Oldham isn't the only contest in a safe Labour seat this week and I'm just back from a cold afternoon's leafleting. Can't honestly say "the Corbyn effect" was much in evidence but as with most December elections it won't be a high turnout.0 -
Dair said:
It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?0 -
Presumably CCHQ will accept that complaints were passed on to them (as seems likely).FrancisUrquhart said:I presume something worse is coming in the Sunday's if Shapps is gone. He rode out previous scandals, Mr Green et al. TBH, the Tories would have been very wise to have ditched him ages ago.
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One set all, Dair! Everything to play for!Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
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You poor sod! Any point in a safe Labour seat?stodge said:
Oldham isn't the only contest in a safe Labour seat this week and I'm just back from a cold afternoon's leafleting.0 -
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?0 -
Sounds like it's a messy process who knew what when story.
They rarely have any impact as most of us don't care that much beyond the key player - and it's the unknown outside Toryland Mark Clarke. I'd no idea who he was until this all began. And he's banned for life now anyway.
Shapps clearly made the wrong call and has gone.FrancisUrquhart said:I presume something worse is coming in the Sunday's if Shapps is gone. He rode out previous scandals, Mr Green et al. TBH, the Tories would have been very wise to have ditched him ages ago.
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What passport do you hold, Dair?Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?0 -
The right must face up to the reality of climate change
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/thunderer/article4625947.ece0 -
My passport says European Union.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What passport do you hold, Dair?Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?0 -
I presume also Tories are probably cleaning stables to try and end the story (not a nice way to put the story that resulted in the death of a young guy).
Labour's Corbyn problem isn't going anywhere. Next week is Syria, and then it is only a matter of time before some other bust up or one of Team Corbyn says something mad or something dodgy is found out about their past.0 -
I'm none the wiser, but I hope Gandalf winsDair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?0 -
The resignation of Shapps is merely a Christmas Day kickabout in No Man's Land by the various warring factions of the Left....0
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Tomorrow probably, then everyday next week?FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume also Tories are probably cleaning stables to try and end the story (not a nice way to put the story that resulted in the death of a young guy).
Labour's Corbyn problem isn't going anywhere. Next week is Syria, and then it is only a matter of time before some other bust up or one of Team Corbyn says something mad or something dodgy is found out about their past.0 -
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.0 -
Mr. Song, or what? Will we heretics have our opinions taken away?
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If they do then Feldman needs to go as well. They need to also find out who was leaking the complaints to Clarke.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Presumably CCHQ will accept that complaints were passed on to them (as seems likely).FrancisUrquhart said:I presume something worse is coming in the Sunday's if Shapps is gone. He rode out previous scandals, Mr Green et al. TBH, the Tories would have been very wise to have ditched him ages ago.
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I've backed Andy Murray E/W for SPOTY and Belgium for the tennis.dugarbandier said:
I'm none the wiser, but I hope Gandalf winsDair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
#Dodgypseudohedging...0 -
Ha Ha Ha , saddo pipes up, is that the best you can come up with , Tories are rotten to the core.flightpath01 said:
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.0 -
That's strange because the United Kingdom is not a country, the name they play under Great Britain is not a country.david_herdson said:
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.
If they win, all the points for GB will have been won by Scotland. If the other fictional nation wins both Flemings and Walloons will have won points.0 -
Rod at his best http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/why-dont-the-french-bomb-belgium/
As a Muslim cleric has to deny saying it’s OK to eat your wife, the BBC and the liberal establishment just cringe with appalling liberal bias
...My anti-epiphany began with Kirsty Wark on Newsnight interviewing two women, one of whom said that the problem was France’s racist society and the other, a French-Algerian, who opined that it first looked like the attacks could have been caused by rival drug gangs. I stared at the screen, mouth agape, unable for a while to believe what I was hearing. A whole programme about the Paris attacks in which three words — Muslim, Islam, jihadi — were not used at any point.
The desperation to exculpate the ideology was present long before the bodies had been carried away. Then, when it was revealed that some attackers had entered the country as refugees, the Today programme had a fair, balanced and unpartisan debate between three people who agreed that we should take more refugees, because getting tough is ‘what they (the nasty terrorists) want us to do’.0 -
F1: finding it hard to see much value. I don't want to be spending ages on this, so I may end up putting it up tomorrow, if I don't see any value in the next hour or two [when I've finished some work and had a bite to eat].0
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You should have got on that earlier.Pulpstar said:
I've backed Andy Murray E/W for SPOTY and Belgium for the tennis.dugarbandier said:
I'm none the wiser, but I hope Gandalf winsDair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
#Dodgypseudohedging...
I believe he was still 6s or 8s when I tipped him after the Semi-Final win.0 -
'Could this take the media pressure off Mr. Corbyn?'
Yes, but only till Monday when Labour’s division over Syria will again spring forth.0 -
And of the fact that the Scottish people decisively voted to stay in the Union last year.david_herdson said:
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.0 -
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No-one choose whether or not to stay.ThreeQuidder said:
And of the fact that the Scottish people decisively voted to stay in the Union last year.david_herdson said:
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.
Scots voted to end the UK, Residents voted to give it a couple more years.0 -
On topic, no, it won't take the pressure of Corbyn for the simple reason that by going, Shapps has neutralised much of the story (although not all of it). By contrast, Corbyn is in for another week of division coming up. Had Shapps not gone, next weekend might have been tough for him once the Syria vote and Oldham were out of the way.0
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Wrong.Dair said:
No-one choose whether or not to stay.ThreeQuidder said:
And of the fact that the Scottish people decisively voted to stay in the Union last year.david_herdson said:
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.
Scots voted to end the UK, Residents voted to give it a couple more years.0 -
You must face up to the reality that man made climate change is a load of ball*. Arctic ice cover up.Antartic ice cover up.northern hemisphere jet steam has moved southward. More snow patches left in the Scottish Highlands this year, 10x that in 2007. 90pc of world glaciers now expanding. And termites produce 10 times the co2 of human beings. Climate gate emails when East anglia university realised the raw unfiddled data showed no warning. Infact the satellite data shows slight cooling since 1997. You and your man made climate change are totally discredited just as Harrabin, Shuckman and Paris next week are.logical_song said:The right must face up to the reality of climate change
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/thunderer/article4625947.ece0 -
I see David Icke is now backing Corbyn. The scairest thing, he is not the nuttiest recruit to the Corbynism cause.0
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IS blamed for mass Yazidi grave found near Sinjar, Iraq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34954233
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Plato_Says said:
Rod at his best http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/why-dont-the-french-bomb-belgium/
As a Muslim cleric has to deny saying it’s OK to eat your wife, the BBC and the liberal establishment just cringe with appalling liberal bias
...My anti-epiphany began with Kirsty Wark on Newsnight interviewing two women, one of whom said that the problem was France’s racist society and the other, a French-Algerian, who opined that it first looked like the attacks could have been caused by rival drug gangs. I stared at the screen, mouth agape, unable for a while to believe what I was hearing. A whole programme about the Paris attacks in which three words — Muslim, Islam, jihadi — were not used at any point.
The desperation to exculpate the ideology was present long before the bodies had been carried away. Then, when it was revealed that some attackers had entered the country as refugees, the Today programme had a fair, balanced and unpartisan debate between three people who agreed that we should take more refugees, because getting tough is ‘what they (the nasty terrorists) want us to do’.
his best was when he was on the radio (producing). all he is now is a decade long sulk. any tosser could come up with this stuff0 -
For anyone feeling the need for a conspiracy theory, PBS America has a good docu on Oswald/MLK and Bobby Kennedy called Oswald's Ghost. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/oswald/FrancisUrquhart said:
I see David Icke is now backing Corbyn. The scairest thing, he is not the nuttiest recruit to the Corbynism cause.
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I'm not surprised. There are wild variations between the price of prostitution within England, street to street, town to town.Pulpstar said:Bargains in Greece:
http://tinyurl.com/bargainingreece
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/sex-industry/sex-for-sale-the-truth-about-prostitution-in-britain-1035038.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-for-250-prostitutes-offering-pensioners-1335168
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his best was when he was on the radio (producing). all he is now is a decade long sulk. any tosser could come up with this stuffdugarbandier said:Plato_Says said:Rod at his best http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/why-dont-the-french-bomb-belgium/
As a Muslim cleric has to deny saying it’s OK to eat your wife, the BBC and the liberal establishment just cringe with appalling liberal bias
...My anti-epiphany began with Kirsty Wark on Newsnight interviewing two women, one of whom said that the problem was France’s racist society and the other, a French-Algerian, who opined that it first looked like the attacks could have been caused by rival drug gangs. I stared at the screen, mouth agape, unable for a while to believe what I was hearing. A whole programme about the Paris attacks in which three words — Muslim, Islam, jihadi — were not used at any point.
The desperation to exculpate the ideology was present long before the bodies had been carried away. Then, when it was revealed that some attackers had entered the country as refugees, the Today programme had a fair, balanced and unpartisan debate between three people who agreed that we should take more refugees, because getting tough is ‘what they (the nasty terrorists) want us to do’.
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Yes, you can blame the Irish for that one. Britain's national representation in international sport is an anomaly in many sports, mostly due to it being based on the home nations before the international bodies codified things. But there's no other country in the world which has Britain's arrangement.Dair said:
That's strange because the United Kingdom is not a country, the name they play under Great Britain is not a country.david_herdson said:
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.
If they win, all the points for GB will have been won by Scotland. If the other fictional nation wins both Flemings and Walloons will have won points.
But the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country in the usual sense of being the highest sovereign civil power within a geographic area. That said, the terminology of countries, states and so on is hopelessly ambiguous. Put another way, how would you define the UK? A state?
You also assume that Andy Murray will win tomorrow. He may not, in which case it'll come down to a Yorkshireman to seal the victory.0 -
I'm going to Athens for the Arsenal game the week after next. When I saw your post I thought you were being serious - you know, iPads and the like - but no.Pulpstar said:Bargains in Greece:
http://tinyurl.com/bargainingreece0 -
If only Wayne Rooney had known £45 apparently http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/761/480/roonhook_display_image.jpg?1299048890TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'm not surprised. There are wild variations between the price of prostitution within England, street to street, town to town.Pulpstar said:Bargains in Greece:
http://tinyurl.com/bargainingreece
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/sex-industry/sex-for-sale-the-truth-about-prostitution-in-britain-1035038.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-for-250-prostitutes-offering-pensioners-1335168
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No party has a monopoly on rotten individuals, at worst some may, at some stages, be worse than others in permitting such individuals leeway. To pretend otherwise, that any single party is inherently, and inevitably, more morally questionable, is to be a blinkered, fanatical partisan.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , saddo pipes up, is that the best you can come up with , Tories are rotten to the core.flightpath01 said:
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.
Shapps seems like a dick, though.0 -
No. Some minor toss pot is not anybody's 'core'. But you can keep dreaming so if you like. And of course you will, it saves facing up to reality.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , saddo pipes up, is that the best you can come up with , Tories are rotten to the core.flightpath01 said:
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.0 -
Think you'll find the "European Union" is the fictional dreamland state. What about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland on your passport?Dair said:
My passport says European Union.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What passport do you hold, Dair?Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?0 -
Daily Telegraph uses electoral calculus to forecast that if Labour lost Oldham West to UKIP a similar swing at the next election would push the party into third with UKIP becoming the main opposition on 102 seats with Labour on just 73 and the Tories on 388, even if it only lost half its majority that would still see Labour fall to 160 seats with UKIP on 10
In the same paper John Mcternan, a former Blair and Julia Gillard aide, backs Hilary Benn as Corbyn's replacement
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12021977/Labour-MPs-have-only-one-option-a-mutiny.html
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My passport says I am citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland0
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On topic - Simon Heffer 'There's something rotten at the heart of the Tory Party, others should do the decent thing and follow Shapps'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/12021988/Theres-something-rotten-at-the-heart-of-the-Tory-party.html0 -
kle4, for sure but Tories are hard to beatkle4 said:
No party has a monopoly on rotten individuals, at worst some may, at some stages, be worse than others in permitting such individuals leeway. To pretend otherwise, that any single party is inherently, and inevitably, more morally questionable, is to be a blinkered, fanatical partisan.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , saddo pipes up, is that the best you can come up with , Tories are rotten to the core.flightpath01 said:
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.
Shapps seems like a dick, though.0 -
This is no longer true.david_herdson said:
Yes, you can blame the Irish for that one. Britain's national representation in international sport is an anomaly in many sports, mostly due to it being based on the home nations before the international bodies codified things. But there's no other country in the world which has Britain's arrangement.
The PRC/Hong Kong arrangement now works similarly. Actually more widespread, Hong Kong has Olympic status.0 -
Don't bother - to Dair, anything that signifies the UK as a state is artificial or illegitimate, including millions of people saying otherwise, despite the inherent arbitrary tribalism that splits any of humanity into separate factions. I think I'll avoid the sophistic arguments to that effect for today.david_herdson said:Dair said:
That's strange because the United Kingdom is not a country, the name they play under Great Britain is not a country.david_herdson said:
You don't represent your nation in the Davis Cup; you represent your country.Dair said:
Pretty much, the idea of them as nations is just as fictional.dugarbandier said:Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
was it Narnia vs Middle Earth, or what?
And besides, typical Nat rejection of the idea that anyone can have dual- or multiple-identity.
If they win, all the points for GB will have been won by Scotland. If the other fictional nation wins both Flemings and Walloons will have won points.
But the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country in the usual sense of being the highest sovereign civil power within a geographic area. That said, the terminology of countries, states and so on is hopelessly ambiguous. Put another way, how would you define the UK? A state?0 -
They certainly have more of a reputation for it.malcolmg said:
kle4, for sure but Tories are hard to beatkle4 said:
No party has a monopoly on rotten individuals, at worst some may, at some stages, be worse than others in permitting such individuals leeway. To pretend otherwise, that any single party is inherently, and inevitably, more morally questionable, is to be a blinkered, fanatical partisan.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , saddo pipes up, is that the best you can come up with , Tories are rotten to the core.flightpath01 said:
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.
Shapps seems like a dick, though.0 -
I do not give a toss for any politician, I ma only for the SNP as the best of a bad lot and the only Scottish party and also interested in Scotland. Otherwise I have a real life.flightpath01 said:
No. Some minor toss pot is not anybody's 'core'. But you can keep dreaming so if you like. And of course you will, it saves facing up to reality.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , saddo pipes up, is that the best you can come up with , Tories are rotten to the core.flightpath01 said:
As opposed to 2 SNP MPs.Dair said:So while everyone is waiting for a Labour MP to resign, a Shadow Minister to resign or Corbyn to resign, the next casualty turns out to be a Tory.
Lol.0 -
Indeed while Britain still competes as the UK and TeamGB at the OlympicsDair said:
This is no longer true.david_herdson said:
Yes, you can blame the Irish for that one. Britain's national representation in international sport is an anomaly in many sports, mostly due to it being based on the home nations before the international bodies codified things. But there's no other country in the world which has Britain's arrangement.
The PRC/Hong Kong arrangement now works similarly. Actually more widespread, Hong Kong has Olympic status.0 -
Wow..HK has Olympic status...that means they have joined the drugs cartel..0
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'Donald Trump meets with Coalition of African American Ministers at Trump Towers' on Monday in most surreal event being advertised this weekend
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/27/100-black-religious-leaders-endorse-donald-trump-monday/0 -
Reuters five day polling rolling average
Donald Trump 30.0%
Ben Carson 10.7%
Marco Rubio 5.7%
Fla. Gov. Jeb Bush 5.3%
Ted Cruz 5.0%
John Kasich 3.8%
Chris Christie 3.7%
Mike Huckabee 3.5%
Rand Paul 2.4%
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/dates/20150823-20151127/type/smallest0 -
Scotland vs Wallonia?Dair said:It looks like one Make Believe Country is not going to beat another Make Believe Country the way people were predicting in the tennis.
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You don't seriously expect frozen arsed Labour MP's to resign, do you?Dair said:
Did he change a benefit so new applicants were disadvantaged compred to existing claimants?Pulpstar said:
Noone successfully sued Gordon Brown iirc...Dair said:
Out of interest.Pulpstar said:
Osborne has learnt the golden rule of cuts methinks:Philip_Thompson said:Someone posted the other day that Thatcher over her decade in office reduced the state as a proportion of GDP by 6.8% while Osborne after five years has reduced it by 6% already. At this rate I'd expect Osborne to beat Thatchers record without being seen as to the right of Thatcher.
Mr & Mrs Smith with their 3 kids currently receive 3 big bag of sweets courtesy of Gordon B.
Osborne wanted to take away 2 bags of sweets, but the Smiths kicked up such a rumpus to their local MP, Tory A (Whose vote Osborne needs to win the leadership election) that he decided it wasn't worth his while.
So Mr and Mrs Junior Jones who will be having 3 kids by 2019 will however be getting half a bag of sweets courtesy of IDS. They won't have splashed out on the 55" TV that Mr & Smith will have done.
Long term obviously there is far more Junior Jones than Smiths. Hence the finances get in order.
What happens when Mr and Mrs Junior Jones and their do-gooder lawyer decide to sue the government over a policy whereby, despite identical situation, they get less support from the government.
I'm not sure the government can be so confident this plan will work.0 -
Looks like the Daily Mail has destroyed Michael Green!
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There was always something a bit... Dodgy about him wasn't there?
I guess Cameron would have loved to have got rid in May but as he was party chairman (person) when the Tories got their first majority for 23 years it was kind of tricky?0 -
What exactly did Mark Clarke do?0
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F1: hmm. Still struggling to find much. Got a few half-hearted ideas, which I shall contemplate soon.0
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Parliament can change laws as it sees fit. Otherwise I'll have my state pension at 65, thank you very much.Dair said:
Did he change a benefit so new applicants were disadvantaged compred to existing claimants?Pulpstar said:
Noone successfully sued Gordon Brown iirc...Dair said:
Out of interest.Pulpstar said:
Osborne has learnt the golden rule of cuts methinks:Philip_Thompson said:Someone posted the other day that Thatcher over her decade in office reduced the state as a proportion of GDP by 6.8% while Osborne after five years has reduced it by 6% already. At this rate I'd expect Osborne to beat Thatchers record without being seen as to the right of Thatcher.
Mr & Mrs Smith with their 3 kids currently receive 3 big bag of sweets courtesy of Gordon B.
Osborne wanted to take away 2 bags of sweets, but the Smiths kicked up such a rumpus to their local MP, Tory A (Whose vote Osborne needs to win the leadership election) that he decided it wasn't worth his while.
So Mr and Mrs Junior Jones who will be having 3 kids by 2019 will however be getting half a bag of sweets courtesy of IDS. They won't have splashed out on the 55" TV that Mr & Smith will have done.
Long term obviously there is far more Junior Jones than Smiths. Hence the finances get in order.
What happens when Mr and Mrs Junior Jones and their do-gooder lawyer decide to sue the government over a policy whereby, despite identical situation, they get less support from the government.
I'm not sure the government can be so confident this plan will work.0 -
I might use this down the pub one night. Wonderfully put.kle4 said:
No party has a monopoly on rotten individuals, at worst some may, at some stages, be worse than others in permitting such individuals leeway. To pretend otherwise, that any single party is inherently, and inevitably, more morally questionable, is to be a blinkered, fanatical partisan.
Shapps seems like a dick, though.
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Ah right. So does that make 'China' a pretendy country too?Dair said:
This is no longer true.david_herdson said:
Yes, you can blame the Irish for that one. Britain's national representation in international sport is an anomaly in many sports, mostly due to it being based on the home nations before the international bodies codified things. But there's no other country in the world which has Britain's arrangement.
The PRC/Hong Kong arrangement now works similarly. Actually more widespread, Hong Kong has Olympic status.0 -
Just me letting in a little light on the subject:
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However, after giving Jack's ARSE a little rub and gazing into the future, the mists of time have parted to reveal that this will NOT change the political weather....
Corbyn is still toast! 0 -
I hope this does not upset anyone, but I feel it needs saying:
Whilst I regret his death and sympathise with his family and friends, can I just say that the way the poor man chose to end his life was utterly selfish.
I've known drivers and others who have been deeply affected by suicides on the tracks and their aftermath. It can stay with them forever. It is not just drivers: someone described picking up body parts and tissue from the undercarriage of a train; another finding belongings of a suicide some days afterwards. Even that, he said, had been upsetting.
http://www.samaritans.org/your-community/saving-lives-railway/suicide-and-railways
In some cases, such as Ufton Nervert or Glendale, on-track suicides can kill others.0 -
Josias "Erdogan" Jessop will pop up shortly blaming Assad!chestnut said:IS blamed for mass Yazidi grave found near Sinjar, Iraq
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Wasn't he the one who charged into Rome, against orders, just in time for the feat to be eclipsed by D-Day?TOPPING said:What exactly did Mark Clarke do?
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They clamped down on the ways of people committing suicide (eg number of paracetamol you can buy), so people find other solutions.JosiasJessop said:I hope this does not upset anyone, but I feel it needs saying:
Whilst I regret his death and sympathise with his family and friends, can I just say that the way the poor man chose to end his life was utterly selfish.
I've known drivers and others who have been deeply affected by suicides on the tracks and their aftermath. It can stay with them forever. It is not just drivers: someone described picking up body parts and tissue from the undercarriage of a train; another finding belongings of a suicide some days afterwards. Even that, he said, had been upsetting.
http://www.samaritans.org/your-community/saving-lives-railway/suicide-and-railways
In some cases, such as Ufton Nervert or Glendale, on-track suicides can kill others.
When someone has decided to go, I doubt they care much about who will be picking up the pieces.
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Oh, do grow up Sunil. If you want to make 'jokes', please don't do it about such a serious issue.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Josias "Erdogan" Jessop will pop up shortly blaming Assad!chestnut said:IS blamed for mass Yazidi grave found near Sinjar, Iraq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34954233
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Indeed. My point still stands though.MarkHopkins said:
They clamped down on the ways of people committing suicide (eg number of paracetamol you can buy), so people find other solutions.JosiasJessop said:I hope this does not upset anyone, but I feel it needs saying:
Whilst I regret his death and sympathise with his family and friends, can I just say that the way the poor man chose to end his life was utterly selfish.
I've known drivers and others who have been deeply affected by suicides on the tracks and their aftermath. It can stay with them forever. It is not just drivers: someone described picking up body parts and tissue from the undercarriage of a train; another finding belongings of a suicide some days afterwards. Even that, he said, had been upsetting.
http://www.samaritans.org/your-community/saving-lives-railway/suicide-and-railways
In some cases, such as Ufton Nervert or Glendale, on-track suicides can kill others.
When someone has decided to go, I doubt they care much about who will be picking up the pieces.0 -
Mr. Jessop, a fair point (likewise those who hurl themselves in front of buses and the like).
That said, those committing suicide are rarely the soundest of mind.0 -
My Uncle Brian was a 125 driver and never got over running a suicidal man over. He saw him a mile uptrack and couldn't stop in time. The chappy looked him in the eye. Then his vapourised parts came into the cabin via the air vents.
I've been on a train that ran over someone - the driver had the fellow smeared all over the front of his cabin window, the police spent 3hrs picking iddy biddy bits of him off the track and platform.
It really isn't the way to exit this mortal coil - there are other ways that don't involve others suffering PTSD as a result.JosiasJessop said:I hope this does not upset anyone, but I feel it needs saying:
Whilst I regret his death and sympathise with his family and friends, can I just say that the way the poor man chose to end his life was utterly selfish.
I've known drivers and others who have been deeply affected by suicides on the tracks and their aftermath. It can stay with them forever. It is not just drivers: someone described picking up body parts and tissue from the undercarriage of a train; another finding belongings of a suicide some days afterwards. Even that, he said, had been upsetting.
http://www.samaritans.org/your-community/saving-lives-railway/suicide-and-railways
In some cases, such as Ufton Nervert or Glendale, on-track suicides can kill others.0 -
Note: The subject Josias responds to the stimulus as expected!JosiasJessop said:
Oh, do grow up Sunil. If you want to make 'jokes', please don't do it about such a serious issue.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Josias "Erdogan" Jessop will pop up shortly blaming Assad!chestnut said:IS blamed for mass Yazidi grave found near Sinjar, Iraq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34954233
And if it wasn't a joke, p*ss off.0 -
Is this a pinch JJ on the knackers weekend?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Note: The subject Josias responds to the stimulus as expected!JosiasJessop said:
Oh, do grow up Sunil. If you want to make 'jokes', please don't do it about such a serious issue.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Josias "Erdogan" Jessop will pop up shortly blaming Assad!chestnut said:IS blamed for mass Yazidi grave found near Sinjar, Iraq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34954233
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Our friend, who committed suicide a few years back after many years / decades of periodic depression, seems to have made it a priority to 'hurt' as few people as possible. I won't go into how he did it, but it was in his front room. He erected a wall of cardboard boxes behind his front door with a message something like: "Police only past this point."Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, a fair point (likewise those who hurl themselves in front of buses and the like).
That said, those committing suicide are rarely the soundest of mind.
As much as I'm hurt by his suicide, I do quite admire (*) the clarity and focus of mind he had to do that. And the death was, by all accounts, peaceful and non-gory.
Unlike someone I know, who had to de-retire from the city when his hand-picked replacement committed suicide. One Sunday, whilst his wife was cooking dinner, he hung himself from a tree in the garden, within view of the kitchen and house. His wife and teenage kids found his body.
(*) I'm not sure that's the right word.0 -
Great Britain just beaten Belgium in the doubles0
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There is only so much you can discuss internal party affairs. Corbyn being a disaster stretches across internal party affairs, the byelection, foreign affairs, economics, fiscal policy, and the rest.0
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Huzzah! We're well placed to win the Davis CupHYUFD said:Great Britain just beaten Belgium in the doubles
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