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George Osborne is fond of saying that he’s fixing the roof while the sun is shining. Well, this week he decided to knock off early and catch some rays. After all, what’s the rush? It’s not going to rain overnight. Mañana.
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At least Osborne has had the wit to pander to pensioners who vote......
But yes, the Tories are getting a breathtakingly easy ride - their major sex/bullying scandal is going almost un-noticed - despite the best efforts of the left wing press Sun and Mail, who are making most of the running - and as Jonathan Freedland observes:
Allowing them to escape scrutiny on a day when they should be under pressure, so that Labour’s economics spokesman spends his few precious minutes of airtime not lambasting the cuts that will disfigure the landscape of this country, but debating the record of China’s murderous dictator. All because of the vanity that thought it more important to make a juvenile joke than to speak for the people who are, and who will be, hit hardest by a Tory government unbound.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/27/misstep-corbyn-terror-mao-labour-alienating-supporters
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Abbott Shadow Foreign Secretary, McDonnell Shadow Chancellor, Dennis Skinner Shadow Home Secretary, David Lammy Justice Secretary, Cat Smith Defence
You mentioned David Lammy and, although it's old, it's still hilarious, I offer you DL on Mastermind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsR4Nx-ELgc
Given the economic cycle there is a reasonable chance of recession/downturn before 2020 and almost a certainty there will be one before 2025. In those circumstances it's not impossible he will suffer the same fate as brown - humiliation after getting the job you spent your entire career scheming for.
I'd call it a good thing, it tends to reign his plans back into the realm of sanity, and will ultimately deal with the deficit more effectively than a full on hairshirt strategy.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/27/elliott-johnson-young-tory-destroyed-by-party-he-loved-mark-clarke
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/s/syria-consultation
Mr & Mrs Smith with their 3 kids currently receive 3 big bag of sweets courtesy of Gordon B.
Osborne wanted to take away 2 bags of sweets, but the Smiths kicked up such a rumpus to their local MP, Tory A (Whose vote Osborne needs to win the leadership election) that he decided it wasn't worth his while.
So Mr and Mrs Junior Jones who will be having 3 kids by 2019 will however be getting half a bag of sweets courtesy of IDS. They won't have splashed out on the 55" TV that Mr & Smith will have done.
Long term obviously there is far more Junior Jones than Smiths. Hence the finances get in order.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/28/labours-power-struggle-threatens-to-sideline-this-matter-of-utmost-importance-syria
"Tory chairman Lord Feldman and Grant Shapps 'should quit' over Mark Clarke bullying scandal
Ray Johnson, whose 21-year-old son Elliott committed suicide after he was allegedly bullied by Mark Clarke, says Grant Shapps and Lord Feldman should quit"
Anyone disagree?
Ken has gone from 3line whip to conscience.
We know Corbyn is "no", while Watson and Benn are "yes" - it's a right old buggers muddle....
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/gary-kent/jeremy-corbyn-and-british-foreign-policy
The consistent theme in Corbyn's foreign policy is a Chomskyian antagonism to America.
Were you calling for Brown to quit when he was accused of misdemeanours in No 10?
They've been incredibly lucky, after the human shield that was Clegg they've been presented with Corbyn, but the time will shortly arrive where he'll be judged on his own results. The EU vote has temporarily gone off the agenda which is more good news for Osborne but that will soon come back which he'll have to deal with.
I've a feeling 1 or 2 self satisfied Tories might be eating some humble pie before long.
"Control immigration, reducing it to the levels of the 1990s- meaning tens of thousands a year instead of the hundreds of thousands a year under Labour"
"This our contract with you".
The commodity and oil glut does signal to me that the Chinese and developing market situation is worse than it first appears. The chance of another recession is very real.
So lots of capacity in oil, steel. copper etc.. Hence huge price falls.. which help consumers...
The problem in commodities is not lack of demand - car sales and oil usage are growing worldwide... BUT capacity has huge surpluses.
All economic recoveries feed off low energy prices.
Aye, Osborne had a soft budget.
F1: P3 is 10-11am.
I thought I would link this article , just to get some small smidgeon of balance on PB.
I did not vote for Corbyn but every now and again a party needs some chaos to bring differnt views to the table.
"Today, every household has one. But this particular edition is special. For this is the very copy of the Little Red Book — or to give it its formal name, Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-Tung — from which John McDonnell, once the Labour Party’s Shadow Chancellor, now People’s Chancellor and Co-Author of the Revolution, quoted in the House of Commons one November day several years ago.
Every schoolchild knows the story. How the capitalist hyenas and imperialist running dogs — the hated David Cameron and George Osborne — sat there roaring their heads off after their Autumn Statement.
How the people’s hero, Comrade McDonnell, stood firm against the braying laughter of the Tory jackals, proudly brandishing his beloved edition of Chairman Mao’s wise words."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3336942/Chairman-Corbyn-s-Maoist-Britain-Clarkson-education-camp-giant-posters-people-s-hero-Diane-Abbott-compulsory-ping-pong-historian-s-brilliantly-witty-chilling-vision-future.html#ixzz3slpg5WmB
I would of course question the statement "The economy is growing healthily,"
It isn't.
Our productive industries are struggling ( manufacturing, construction ) and still below the level of Labour. We saw he effects on the last GDP figures where once again the BoP is a drag on our economic prospects.
Osborne has not rebalanced the economy in the last 5 years and won't in the next he has no plan for it, Rather Osbornism is Gordon Brown's borrow and spend played in second gear.
I never understand why so many righties on PB who wailed for years about Brown's policies seem happy with them just because it's a Conservative imp-lementing them.
Compare this to my GP surgery where there is NO out of hours service and if you are ill call 101.. No wonder A and E is so overloaded.
Wait till the Doctors strike, public support will vanish , in many ways this will be a good thing. the halo's doctors live under should be earned not given as a right.
Which leaves me musing "hmmmmmm...." Maybe we aren't looking at a five year term? With Labour in turmoil, the LibDems still flatlining, the SNP still bed-blocking any chance of Labour making a recovery in Scotland - might the plan be to have a snap election as soon as the new Tory leader is installed after the referendum, maybe as early as 2017?
This is spot on David. The Tory leadership is right to believe they had a narrow escape in May, and still suffer from perceptions they are for the rich and uncaring about social justice.
However, that doesn't mean the solution is to emulate New Labour.
That is lazy.
And now it appears you're arguing black is white regarding immigration.
The rule of debate is that he who insults first is lost, you might like to consider that when you continually call people names. I'm very comfortable with my stance on foreign aid and immigration and the impact it has on our economy, nothing you've said on either has made me reconsider.
Labour right now are not so much uncertain whether to go via Scylla or Charybdis, but doing both and then embarking on an archaeological dig to free Typhon.
However, this hard left madness will not last forever (either Labour stops being mad or a new party will take over their standing). And if the Conservatives spend the next few years marvelling at how well they're doing, as if it's down to their excellence and not Labour's infighting, then we could see an election (maybe in 2025 rather than 2020) with an absolutely enormous swing away from the blues.
So when people come and speak about the country, I have at least a little amount of knowledge to either agree or disagree. When they speak utter b/s about it, then I've got a lot of information to the contrary.
I criticise Turkey as much as I feel able (and as I've said in the past, that in itself is a negative comment on the country's government), but will argue for them when the conspiracy theorists and loons (not mutually exclusive groups) come out to play.
The biggest mistake people make on here when talking about Turkey is in assuming it is a government similar to ours. It is not, and the rules of politics are very different.
I'm annoyed that the asshats on here have actually had me defending Erdogan. It's not a position I like to take ...
1. China is slowing down and it's stock market - still a relative baby - is falling rapidly.
2. The lack of nuclear power plants means that Britain will still be massively reliant on overseas gas and oil, to heat our houses and fuel our industries, such as they are. Wind, water and sun power are still far from economical and indeed wasteful at the present time.
3. The EU economy as a whole is shrinking and with literally millions of new migrants, refugees, immigrants, call them what you will, to feed house and cloth them, the wealth of Europe as a whole is draining away.
Another big problem for us is how the sacred NHS is eating large holes in Georges pocket and if it isn't reformed from top to bottom - a painful process - it will devour even more wealth from the economy as Britain approaches 70 million inhabitants.
And I have called you no names above. But on the matter of foreign aid, you are evidently instinctive and clueless. Worse, you show no intention to correct those deficiencies whilst still shouting your position.
Note there is a difference between saying: "You position on this issue is stupid" and "You are stupid." I have done the former, not the latter.
As I said the other day, I have no problem with people being against some of, or all of, the foreign aid budget when they've read up on it and considered it. You have not.
Again.
"Maybe we aren't looking at a five year term?"
That would explain the Osborne "Mr nice guy" attitude in the Autumn statement. Lose Cameron, Osborne succeeds and fits in an election before Jezza retires to spend more time with his manhole covers.
Now you may disagree but my life really is better served than being on the other end of your histrionics.
In the interests of balance you do of course have a link to the actual figures one presumes. We can then all see the various alternatives and make our own minds up.
My point is that you have shown that your position is consistent but not based on information. Given that, it's quite easy for you to be consistent. You have admitted you do not know how foreign aid is spent in outline, yet alone detail, therefore being against it so stridently is a curious position.
As for money being wasted, I'll turn around the question you asked me the other day: can you name a department where money is not wasted?
As it is such a good day, perhaps you should try knocking on a few more doors and asking them about foreign aid.
(*) She is a lovely lady. I think she loves me because I've taken one of her daughters off her hands ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34950778
Pensions; ISAs; and Annuities
Tax-free cash may not survive FY2018.
I shall therefore quote from that Monty Pythons Election Night special and the never give up song at the end.....
"Climb every Maotain , ford every stream"
Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, the Government in waiting, doesn't have a view on whether we should go to war?