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TGOHF said:

Pulpstar said:

Labour 14 (For):

Barron; Bradshaw; Creagh; Evans; Fitzpatrick; Kendall; Leslie; Moon; Owen; Reed; Reynolds; Smith; Stuart; Woodcock

Labour 6 (Against)

Godsiff; Campbell; Hopkins; Stringer; Skinner; Robinson.

I assume the others, including Corbyn don't know what they stand for (or against)

Ben Bradshaw - standing up for what he believes in.

2010 Exeter : Lab maj 2,721
2015 Exeter : Lab maj 7,183

Bet others wish they could have performed against the tide so well.

Scott_P said:

@JGForsyth: Die Welt reporting 1 of the Paris terrorists registered as a refugee in Germany, if true this will have big political implications 4 Merkel

Tim_B said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scott_P said:

@JGForsyth: Die Welt reporting 1 of the Paris terrorists registered as a refugee in Germany, if true this will have big political implications 4 Merkel

I have lost count now, is that 2,3 or 4 that have claimed to be refugees fleeing Syria?

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tyson said:

It strikes me that someone in Turkey has made a monumental balls up- I can't for the life of me understand the strategic point in taking out a Russian fighter plane inching over Turkish airspace.

Equally, the airliner over Ukraine was a monumental balls up- the separatists clearly though the aircraft was Ukranian military.

Luckyguy1983 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Didn't the Russian military expect some form of resistance from a variety of quarters with different objectives from them? I thought it was the US who specialised in an unrealistic expectation of universal acclaim.

In what way do you feel they should have responded differently to this?

Not having an inside hotline to what actually went on, it's hard for me to say how the Kremlin should respond. They haven't had a great track record of respecting international airspace so they may not have been saints on this occasion either. Equally, the Turks have their own agenda in the area which they are no doubt going to pursue. For now I'm prepared to wait and see how this unfolds before making any snap judgements.

But that wasn't my point. My point was that going on military adventures in pursuit of la gloire has risks. Finding that you get shot back at is the most obvious one.

Yes, but you've not provided anything to support to your notion that they didn't expect resistance or opposition. We can only go by their response which so far has been measured in the extreme.

Pulpstar said:

Labour 14 (For):

Barron; Bradshaw; Creagh; Evans; Fitzpatrick; Kendall; Leslie; Moon; Owen; Reed; Reynolds; Smith; Stuart; Woodcock

Labour 6 (Against)

Godsiff; Campbell; Hopkins; Stringer; Skinner; Robinson.

I assume the others, including Corbyn don't know what they stand for (or against)

Tim_B said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scott_P said:

@JGForsyth: Die Welt reporting 1 of the Paris terrorists registered as a refugee in Germany, if true this will have big political implications 4 Merkel

I have lost count now, is that 2,3 or 4 that have claimed to be refugees fleeing Syria?

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surbiton said:

perdix said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Pulpstar said:

Liz Kendall (Leicester West) (Lab):
Does the Secretary of State agree that, if we want to keep Britain safe, it is not a question of choosing between renewing our nuclear deterrent and taking the necessary action against ISIL—given that both are vital—and that it would be foolhardy, not to say arrogant, to believe that anyone in the House can predict the risks and threats that Britain will face in the next 30 or 40 years?

Michael Fallon:
I could not have put it better.

Except it is a question of putting however many billions of our defence budget in one basket that de facto means we will be less equipped to deal with threats that present greater risks.

A case of twat answering twat to be honest.

Spending on Trident is expected to be £31bn vs £178 bn on various programmes announced yesterday. Sounds full spectrum approach to me.

£31bn for each Trident

Roger said:

Hi Tyson. It looks like we've just about got a quorum for Labour posters against Corbyn. I think there's only Nick left. Farron's started to sound interesting. He just needs a couple of decent Labour defections

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

tyson said:

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Ultimately, politics is tribal, but not tribal at all costs.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

Cyclefree said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Mark, that's both concerning and amusing.

The current dog learnt to give paw almost immediately. She's quite small, which may prove a good thing (never had a dog that worked out how to open doors, and would prefer it to stay that way).

Mr. Tyson, can't comment on cats, but there is a lot of communication between people and dogs. It can vary a bit, depending on the dog's personality and intelligence [mind you, that's true of people too...].

Edited extra bit: Mr. Llama, to be honest, most of it's just common sense.

You'll need a bit of patience in the earliest days of house-training (a couple of weeks waking up to clean dog mess every day wasn't great, but Kai sometimes had volcanic diarrhoea, which would take 1-2 hours to clean up, so it wasn't too bad). By instinct, most dogs will, fairly early on, go for long grass, or at least off the beaten path.

Worth researching breed just a little so you have an idea about size and temperament (one suspects a Japanese akita would not suit you). Also, get your hound spayed or castrated as early as possible. It both reduces aggression and (for male dogs definitely, unsure of bitches) increases life expectancy.

My hound is a mixture of English sheepdog and New Zealand Huntaway (with a touch of dingo, apparently) from a Cumbrian farm. He is a most intelligent and affectionate animal and attracts admiring glances wherever he goes. He loves car journeys, tries to round up the cats - they just look at him with amused tolerance - and sits on my feet when I am cooking. He hardly ever barks, preferring to whine when wanting to be let out. Apparently, this is a dingo trait.

If you have teenagers in the house a dog is a very good thing because it means that there is always one sentient being who is pleased to see you.

Edited: Plus he earns his living as he does the prewash before the plates go into the dishwasher.

flightpath01 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

800 air strikes a day? When was this... in the invasion?
How many planes does it take to do 800 bombing raids in a day?

Tim_B said:

Cyclefree said:

HurstLlama said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, indeed, worsened by the fact she isn't yet spayed and has an excess of teeth (literally, both her adult and puppy fangs are in residence, side-by-side. Both their removal and her spaying will occur tomorrow).

Mr. Llama, the hound gets quite enough attention. A firm hand is needed to help teach a pup to leave someone alone when they're eating, or suchlike. Give a dog all the attention it wants, whenever it wants it, and you'll find that the dog owns you, rather than vice versa.

[Her predecessor's predecessor did once utterly destroy a light wooden bin, spreading its many pieces across the floor. In that hound's defence, she was a rescue dog and came from an unsuitable previous owner. Also, Kai chewed through the burglar alarm wire when he was a pup].

Perhaps because I have only ever lived with cats and people I have never got into this ownership thing. Similarly I have trouble understanding the concept of pets. An animal who lives with me must earn his or her keep and we will come to a mutual understanding through learning to communicate with each other (Mr. B provides a fine example of mutual understanding and communication up thread).

Well, obviously, if you live with cats you don't understand the concept of ownership. Cats don't have owners. They have staff.

There's another major difference between cats and dogs. I found it out from a book written by a retired Chief Medical Officer from California.

If you die alone in your house, a dog will pine and stay close to you. A cat just needs to eat and once the food plate is empty, you're next.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tim_B said:

Cyclefree said:

HurstLlama said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, indeed, worsened by the fact she isn't yet spayed and has an excess of teeth (literally, both her adult and puppy fangs are in residence, side-by-side. Both their removal and her spaying will occur tomorrow).

Mr. Llama, the hound gets quite enough attention. A firm hand is needed to help teach a pup to leave someone alone when they're eating, or suchlike. Give a dog all the attention it wants, whenever it wants it, and you'll find that the dog owns you, rather than vice versa.

[Her predecessor's predecessor did once utterly destroy a light wooden bin, spreading its many pieces across the floor. In that hound's defence, she was a rescue dog and came from an unsuitable previous owner. Also, Kai chewed through the burglar alarm wire when he was a pup].

Perhaps because I have only ever lived with cats and people I have never got into this ownership thing. Similarly I have trouble understanding the concept of pets. An animal who lives with me must earn his or her keep and we will come to a mutual understanding through learning to communicate with each other (Mr. B provides a fine example of mutual understanding and communication up thread).

Well, obviously, if you live with cats you don't understand the concept of ownership. Cats don't have owners. They have staff.

There's another major difference between cats and dogs. I found it out from a book written by a retired Chief Medical Officer from California.

If you die alone in your house, a dog will pine and stay close to you. A cat just needs to eat and once the food plate is empty, you're next.

I've been bitten by a dog, but never by a cat.

Tim_B said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

Of those 7 US strikes per day, almost half return with their bombs still on the racks, because of incredibly strict rules of engagement. So effectively it's 3-4 strikes per day.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. B, dead isn't a problem. Collapsed and wounded, on the other hand...

Whilst a cat will eat your face, a dog will bark for help. Except for a border collie, who will call the emergency services, giving a concise summary of the incident and a preliminary prognosis.

Tim_B said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tim_B said:

Cyclefree said:

HurstLlama said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, indeed, worsened by the fact she isn't yet spayed and has an excess of teeth (literally, both her adult and puppy fangs are in residence, side-by-side. Both their removal and her spaying will occur tomorrow).

Mr. Llama, the hound gets quite enough attention. A firm hand is needed to help teach a pup to leave someone alone when they're eating, or suchlike. Give a dog all the attention it wants, whenever it wants it, and you'll find that the dog owns you, rather than vice versa.

[Her predecessor's predecessor did once utterly destroy a light wooden bin, spreading its many pieces across the floor. In that hound's defence, she was a rescue dog and came from an unsuitable previous owner. Also, Kai chewed through the burglar alarm wire when he was a pup].

Perhaps because I have only ever lived with cats and people I have never got into this ownership thing. Similarly I have trouble understanding the concept of pets. An animal who lives with me must earn his or her keep and we will come to a mutual understanding through learning to communicate with each other (Mr. B provides a fine example of mutual understanding and communication up thread).

Well, obviously, if you live with cats you don't understand the concept of ownership. Cats don't have owners. They have staff.

There's another major difference between cats and dogs. I found it out from a book written by a retired Chief Medical Officer from California.

If you die alone in your house, a dog will pine and stay close to you. A cat just needs to eat and once the food plate is empty, you're next.

I've been bitten by a dog, but never by a cat.

Wait until you're dead and the cat is hungry.

Tim_B said:

Obama and Hollande press conference - Obama keeps banging on about how there is this anti-ISIS coalition of 65 countries.

Is this another part of his rather odd world view?

SimonStClare said:

BBC - MPs have overwhelmingly rejected calls from the SNP for the UK's Trident nuclear weapons system to be scrapped.

After a debate in the Commons, MPs defeated an SNP motion opposing Trident's renewal by 330 votes to 64.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34911204

The Nats not having a good day...

scotslass said:

Also the O'Hara guy spoke pretty well I thought. He may be one to watch.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tim_B said:

Cyclefree said:

HurstLlama said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, indeed, worsened by the fact she isn't yet spayed and has an excess of teeth (literally, both her adult and puppy fangs are in residence, side-by-side. Both their removal and her spaying will occur tomorrow).

Mr. Llama, the hound gets quite enough attention. A firm hand is needed to help teach a pup to leave someone alone when they're eating, or suchlike. Give a dog all the attention it wants, whenever it wants it, and you'll find that the dog owns you, rather than vice versa.

[Her predecessor's predecessor did once utterly destroy a light wooden bin, spreading its many pieces across the floor. In that hound's defence, she was a rescue dog and came from an unsuitable previous owner. Also, Kai chewed through the burglar alarm wire when he was a pup].

Perhaps because I have only ever lived with cats and people I have never got into this ownership thing. Similarly I have trouble understanding the concept of pets. An animal who lives with me must earn his or her keep and we will come to a mutual understanding through learning to communicate with each other (Mr. B provides a fine example of mutual understanding and communication up thread).

Well, obviously, if you live with cats you don't understand the concept of ownership. Cats don't have owners. They have staff.

There's another major difference between cats and dogs. I found it out from a book written by a retired Chief Medical Officer from California.

If you die alone in your house, a dog will pine and stay close to you. A cat just needs to eat and once the food plate is empty, you're next.

I've been bitten by a dog, but never by a cat.

madasafish said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tim_B said:

Cyclefree said:

HurstLlama said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, indeed, worsened by the fact she isn't yet spayed and has an excess of teeth (literally, both her adult and puppy fangs are in residence, side-by-side. Both their removal and her spaying will occur tomorrow).

Mr. Llama, the hound gets quite enough attention. A firm hand is needed to help teach a pup to leave someone alone when they're eating, or suchlike. Give a dog all the attention it wants, whenever it wants it, and you'll find that the dog owns you, rather than vice versa.

[Her predecessor's predecessor did once utterly destroy a light wooden bin, spreading its many pieces across the floor. In that hound's defence, she was a rescue dog and came from an unsuitable previous owner. Also, Kai chewed through the burglar alarm wire when he was a pup].

Perhaps because I have only ever lived with cats and people I have never got into this ownership thing. Similarly I have trouble understanding the concept of pets. An animal who lives with me must earn his or her keep and we will come to a mutual understanding through learning to communicate with each other (Mr. B provides a fine example of mutual understanding and communication up thread).

Well, obviously, if you live with cats you don't understand the concept of ownership. Cats don't have owners. They have staff.

There's another major difference between cats and dogs. I found it out from a book written by a retired Chief Medical Officer from California.

If you die alone in your house, a dog will pine and stay close to you. A cat just needs to eat and once the food plate is empty, you're next.

I've been bitten by a dog, but never by a cat.

I have scars on my backside from a Rottweiler, and on my legs from an alsatian and a spaniel - dogs think runners are game..:-(

Fortunately my blood is full of anti tetanus toxins from a 20 year old course of injections... The rottie was in S Africa and rather scary..fortunately its owner persuaded it to let go...

Scott_P said:

@KennyFarq: As with the Michelle Thomson saga, the focus of the Natalie McGarry story now turns to who knew what, and when did they know it.

TGOHF said:

Murdo Fraser ‏@murdo_fraser 4m4 minutes ago
There are now as many ex-SNP MPs in Scotland as there are giant pandas...

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SimonStClare said:

Ambassador Andrei Lysenko: One of our MPs, an Alfa, was last reported in the area of the Edinburgh parliment. We have not heard from her for some time.

Dr. Jeffrey Pelt: Andrei, you've lost another MP?

(apologies to the writer of Red October)

Captain Ramius: Give me a Panda, Vasili. One Panda only, please.

It was repeated on the TV the other day.
Watching it now, always reminds me of your comments on here.

Alanbrooke said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

Swedish PM:

"It pains me to say that Sweden is no longer able to accept the high number of asylum seekers we're seeing today. The situation is unsustainable."
http://www.thelocal.se/20151124/sweden-set-to-tighten-asylum-rules-for-refugees

https://twitter.com/fastFT/status/669180484442804225

Mugged by reality.

I was more interested when R4 claimed Brussels the EU capital is 40% muslim and will be a majority muslim city in the 2020s.

Luckyguy1983 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

The vast majority of Russia's air strikes have been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

Unlike the coalition, Russia has never categorised terrorists according to arm bands. They went in fully stating that they intended to attack all terrorists in the country, but were open to cooperation with 'patriotic' rebels fighting ISIS, which they have been - they have had contact with those elements of the FSA still fighting ISIS, and have worked with them accordingly. To say they went in only after ISIS is a distortion, and begs the question, is Al Nusra not a legitimate target? Do you want the perpetrators of 9-11 to control swathes of Syria?

Even as one of a panoply of targets, I'd wager the Russians have struck ISIS more frequently than the US has been doing. The US was mounting an average of 7 airstrikes a day. Compared with 800 a day against Saddam. ISIS only started to lose terroritory and fall back after Russia began its attacks. Before them they were rampant.

I shed no tears for Al-Nusra getting lit up. They bloody dangerous mob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPY0X8SrLo

Quite. But it doesn't stop the media attack line being 'Why aren't they just hitting ISIS?' as if the presence of such profound evil makes all the other pond life angelic souls who we should be supporting.

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Sunil_Prasannan said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-34909649

Saw her berthed at Greenwich a couple of years ago. Impressive sight.

HMS Ocean, the "Flagship of the Royal Navy", is to be decommissioned after a multi-million pound refit.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed the move would happen in 2018, when HMS Ocean will have "reached the end of her life", despite no mention of it in Monday's Strategic Defence and Security Review.

The Devonport-based helicopter carrier and assault ship, which is Britain's biggest warship, underwent a £65m upgrade in 2014.