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Interesting analysis Mike

Ouch for those favourability numbers.

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Of course Tories are bloody satisfied with Corbyn's performance. Consigning Labour to the electoral dust bin of history

Just imagine how satisfied with Corbyn you must be if you're a Tory who sells/produces popcorn?

The strategic reserve is running low... prices can only go one way!

Don't Unseat Jeremy Corbyn Association!

#DUJCA

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Of course Tories are bloody satisfied with Corbyn's performance. Consigning Labour to the electoral dust bin of history

Just imagine how satisfied with Corbyn you must be if you're a Tory who sells/produces popcorn?

Genius. First thing to make me smile today after west ham's supine performance.

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Of course Tories are bloody satisfied with Corbyn's performance. Consigning Labour to the electoral dust bin of history

Just imagine how satisfied with Corbyn you must be if you're a Tory who sells/produces popcorn?

The strategic reserve is running low... prices can only go one way!

A very naive and dangerous assumption if meant seriously (which I don't think it was). The unthinkable can happen. Just as a former Scottish Labour MP or Lib Dem one. An electoral bloodbath on those scales is not likely but not unimaginable either.

Philip_Thompson said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Of course Tories are bloody satisfied with Corbyn's performance. Consigning Labour to the electoral dust bin of history

Just imagine how satisfied with Corbyn you must be if you're a Tory who sells/produces popcorn?

The strategic reserve is running low... prices can only go one way!

A very naive and dangerous assumption if meant seriously (which I don't think it was). The unthinkable can happen. Just as a former Scottish Labour MP or Lib Dem one. An electoral bloodbath on those scales is not likely but not unimaginable either.

Ah, I wasn't referring to odds, just to be clear

Ogh debunks Dr Eoin tweeting corbynites to focus on Ipsos mori..

Heart of stone

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

Of course Tories are bloody satisfied with Corbyn's performance. Consigning Labour to the electoral dust bin of history

Just imagine how satisfied with Corbyn you must be if you're a Tory who sells/produces popcorn?

"I'm sick and tired of popcorn!"

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

RobD said:

Chris_A said:

I'm astounded the US government spends more public money on health than we do.

Perhaps the NHS haters on here can explain why if the NHS is so bloated, inefficient, filled with useless managers, etc that we do so amazingly well on a pittance and achieve similar or better outcomes to countries which spend far more.

https://twitter.com/EconBizFin/status/668467999653892096/photo/1

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.
Also didn't that recent report (commonwealth?) say the NHS was pretty dire at patient outcomes?

It was OECD and said it was dire at some things - most notably preventing illness and cancer survival rates. And guess what? Public Health which was transferred to local councils by the mad Lansley will be slashed by Osborne ever further on Wednesday.

Dunno how spurs failed to score 10 today vs Olympic Ham

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Dunno how spurs failed to score 10 today vs Olympic Ham

PB Tories can only have so much luck in any one day

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Dunno how spurs failed to score 10 today vs Olympic Ham

Because you don't have Jurgen Klopp managing Spurs. That's why.

Liverpool scored four past the league leaders despite not starting the match with any strikers.

RobD said:

Chris_A said:

RobD said:

Chris_A said:

I'm astounded the US government spends more public money on health than we do.

Perhaps the NHS haters on here can explain why if the NHS is so bloated, inefficient, filled with useless managers, etc that we do so amazingly well on a pittance and achieve similar or better outcomes to countries which spend far more.

twitter.com/EconBizFin/status/668467999653892096/photo/1

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.
Also didn't that recent report (commonwealth?) say the NHS was pretty dire at patient outcomes?

It was OECD and said it was dire at some things - most notably preventing illness and cancer survival rates. And guess what? Public Health which was transferred to local councils by the mad Lansley will be slashed by Osborne ever further on Wednesday.

I thought health funding was ring fenced?

DoH funding was but as it has gone up less in the last 5 years than for decades and is falling as a percentage of GDP. Public Health (that's initiatives to tackle obesity, alocohol and drug abuse, smoking, treating of STIs) was transferred to councils - that wasn't ring fenced and has been slashed.

Also social care (social workers, modifications to housing to get people home, hole helps, meals on wheels etc) are also local council and have been for some time. That is also coming under strain and as a result the number of patients who are medically fit for discharge but cannot be discharged because of social issues has risen 20% in the last yer and is at the highest level ever. And we already have far, far fewer hospital beds to start with than many other European countries.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Dunno how spurs failed to score 10 today vs Olympic Ham

Because you don't have Jurgen Klopp managing Spurs. That's why.

Liverpool scored four past the league leaders despite not starting the match with any strikers.

Hammers still 6th mind

Talking of polls, Currant Bun have a pretty shocking one on their front page.

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting analysis Mike

I agree. Looking over the numbers, you have to feel that Mike is right about the wording. 'Favourable' has much less ambiguity to it than 'satisfied' or even 'doing well'.

The other aspect to this is Miliband had poor leader ratings, yet he consistently led Labour to 40% plus in the polls/and double digit leads.

Can Corbyn do the same ?

Chris_A said:

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

Despite less state funding as your graph shows. Why is that and what lessons can we learn from them?

TheScreamingEagles said:

david_herdson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting analysis Mike

I agree. Looking over the numbers, you have to feel that Mike is right about the wording. 'Favourable' has much less ambiguity to it than 'satisfied' or even 'doing well'.

The other aspect to this is Miliband had poor leader ratings, yet he consistently led Labour to 40% plus in the polls/and double digit leads.

Can Corbyn do the same ?

Yes Yes for one word, swap tory for Labour then it's all good.

AndyJS said:

Chris_A said:

I'm astounded the US government spends more public money on health than we do.

Perhaps the NHS haters on here can explain why if the NHS is so bloated, inefficient, filled with useless managers, etc that we do so amazingly well on a pittance and achieve similar or better outcomes to countries which spend far more.

https://twitter.com/EconBizFin/status/668467999653892096/photo/1

Maybe the other health services are even more bloated and inefficient than the NHS is?

Certainly the US one is.

AndyJS said:

Belgian press conference starting now...

can you post main details - We have a communal dish for tv in my area ( to avoid unsightly dishes!) and the fecking thing broke Saturday morning.

Thank god for Netflix and Amazon prime

Floater said:

AndyJS said:

Belgian press conference starting now...

can you post main details - We have a communal dish for tv in my area ( to avoid unsightly dishes!) and the fecking thing broke Saturday morning.

Thank god for Netflix and Amazon prime

16 arrests, 19 houses raided across Brussels. Main suspect not among them.

bloated and inefficient it may be, but you can always get a doctor's appointment the next day, an MRI within 24 hours, and if you need a procedure you get to choose your date - which you know won't get changed.

You also get to choose your doctor, your surgeon and your hospital.

United Healthcare, the country's largest health insurer, has said it may withdraw from Obamacare after it lost $400 million on it this year. So it may end up being a tad less bloated. Obamacare has been a disaster for the US healthcare system.

Chris_A said:

AndyJS said:

Chris_A said:

I'm astounded the US government spends more public money on health than we do.

Perhaps the NHS haters on here can explain why if the NHS is so bloated, inefficient, filled with useless managers, etc that we do so amazingly well on a pittance and achieve similar or better outcomes to countries which spend far more.

https://twitter.com/EconBizFin/status/668467999653892096/photo/1

Maybe the other health services are even more bloated and inefficient than the NHS is?

Certainly the US one is.

Why is it expensive to prevent diabetes? The answer is for people to stop eating unhealthy food, advice that costs nothing.

Chris_A said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Chris_A said:

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

Despite less state funding as your graph shows. Why is that and what lessons can we learn from them?

Well it's the Economist's graph. The answer is probably in the second sentence. We need more staff and we have to stop people becoming unwell in the first place. Treating easily preventable illness - diabetes, hypertension, obesity etc is expensive.

AndyJS said:

Why is it expensive to prevent diabetes? The answer is for people to stop eating unhealthy food, advice that costs nothing.

Chris_A said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Chris_A said:

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

Despite less state funding as your graph shows. Why is that and what lessons can we learn from them?

Well it's the Economist's graph. The answer is probably in the second sentence. We need more staff and we have to stop people becoming unwell in the first place. Treating easily preventable illness - diabetes, hypertension, obesity etc is expensive.

It's not. It's the treating of it that's expensive.

Advice and education is cheaper but budgets are being cut, and the Tories leap up and down screaming "nanny state" at any meaningful health initiatives re tax on unhealthy food, or unhealthy lifestyle choices.

Philip_Thompson said:

notme said:

AndyJS said:

The Sun: "1 in 5 British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS, 1 in 4 young British Muslims".

That correlates with the opinion polling of 26% of british muslims who thought the charlie hebdo attacks were justified.

I wonder what proportion of white Labour voters thought the same? The leader seems to and he's not a Muslim.

Blaming all Muslims for terrorism is like blaming all musicians for Justin Bieber.

Where were all Muslims blamed for terrorism?

AndyJS said:

Floater said:

AndyJS said:

Belgian press conference starting now...

can you post main details - We have a communal dish for tv in my area ( to avoid unsightly dishes!) and the fecking thing broke Saturday morning.

Thank god for Netflix and Amazon prime

16 arrests, 19 houses raided across Brussels. Main suspect not among them.

Thanks

notme said:

Chris_A said:

AndyJS said:

Why is it expensive to prevent diabetes? The answer is for people to stop eating unhealthy food, advice that costs nothing.

Chris_A said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Chris_A said:

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

Despite less state funding as your graph shows. Why is that and what lessons can we learn from them?

Well it's the Economist's graph. The answer is probably in the second sentence. We need more staff and we have to stop people becoming unwell in the first place. Treating easily preventable illness - diabetes, hypertension, obesity etc is expensive.

It's not. It's the treating of it that's expensive.

Advice and education is cheaper but budgets are being cut, and the Tories leap up and down screaming "nanny state" at any meaningful health initiatives re tax on unhealthy food, or unhealthy lifestyle choices.

There are very very few 'unhealthy foods'.

But there are plenty that are high in sodium, in calories, in fat - or all three.

Tim_B said:

notme said:

Chris_A said:

AndyJS said:

Why is it expensive to prevent diabetes? The answer is for people to stop eating unhealthy food, advice that costs nothing.

Chris_A said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Chris_A said:

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

Despite less state funding as your graph shows. Why is that and what lessons can we learn from them?

Well it's the Economist's graph. The answer is probably in the second sentence. We need more staff and we have to stop people becoming unwell in the first place. Treating easily preventable illness - diabetes, hypertension, obesity etc is expensive.

It's not. It's the treating of it that's expensive.

Advice and education is cheaper but budgets are being cut, and the Tories leap up and down screaming "nanny state" at any meaningful health initiatives re tax on unhealthy food, or unhealthy lifestyle choices.

There are very very few 'unhealthy foods'.

But there are plenty that are high in sodium, in calories, in fat - or all three.

But we are now told they aren't unhealthy in a balanced diet with exercise.

It's a classic 'if' comment - they are not unhealthy IF you eat a balanced diet and exercise regularly. But those who eat a regular fast food diet - and that's really what we are talking about here - are probably on the poorer side of society and thus less likely to exercise regularly or eat a balanced diet.

Philip_Thompson said:

Tim_B said:

notme said:

Chris_A said:

AndyJS said:

Why is it expensive to prevent diabetes? The answer is for people to stop eating unhealthy food, advice that costs nothing.

Chris_A said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Chris_A said:

glw said:

RobD said:

I'm not sure that the chart shows why the Doctors are striking.

Yeah we spend more than the OECD average, and more the Spain and Italy which as far as I know have decent healthcare. To my eyes the thing that stands out is that our private sector is relatively small, perhaps we need to expand that alongside some rationing of less essential NHS services to encourage people to go private.

Includes countries such as Chile, Mexico, Turkey.

Spain and Italy do do better than us for life expectancy. Both have far more doctors per capita than us.

Despite less state funding as your graph shows. Why is that and what lessons can we learn from them?

Well it's the Economist's graph. The answer is probably in the second sentence. We need more staff and we have to stop people becoming unwell in the first place. Treating easily preventable illness - diabetes, hypertension, obesity etc is expensive.

It's not. It's the treating of it that's expensive.

Advice and education is cheaper but budgets are being cut, and the Tories leap up and down screaming "nanny state" at any meaningful health initiatives re tax on unhealthy food, or unhealthy lifestyle choices.

There are very very few 'unhealthy foods'.

But there are plenty that are high in sodium, in calories, in fat - or all three.

But we are now told they aren't unhealthy in a balanced diet with exercise.

kle4 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

notme said:

Philip_Thompson said:

notme said:

AndyJS said:

The Sun: "1 in 5 British Muslims have sympathy for ISIS, 1 in 4 young British Muslims".

That correlates with the opinion polling of 26% of british muslims who thought the charlie hebdo attacks were justified.

I wonder what proportion of white Labour voters thought the same? The leader seems to and he's not a Muslim.

Blaming all Muslims for terrorism is like blaming all musicians for Justin Bieber.

who blamed all muslims? Fortunately i only need to blame one in four. Just remember. One in four of those lovely diverse muslims you see, want to bring the UK into a caliphate.

Bit of a stretch to turn 1 in 5 have some sympathy for ISIS to 1 in 4 want to turn the UK into a caliphate. That's before you even get into the credibility of the polling in the first place.

The credibility of the polling point may be valid, it may not, but if someone has sympathy for Isis I dont see why they deserve the distinction, if they have one, from supporting the full aims of Isis. Some organisations and ideologies are so vile you cannot be a little bit sympathetic to them as if you can ignore the vileness. We would not forgive someone with nazi sympathies because they don't support everything the nazis stood for.

Good night all.

Yes, I went Godwin on this. But people cannot divorce the reality of is from some some abstract sympathy with various grievances or vague statements, and we should not allow people to pretend that either.

The Godwin reference is appropriate - IS is indeed vile, inhuman and indefensible.

Tim_B said:

An interesting 'breaking news' item just flashed up on CNN.

Lawyer - Abdeslam "really upset" during ride from Paris.

Something must be going on.

How would his lawyer know that?

dugarbandier said:

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

An interesting 'breaking news' item just flashed up on CNN.

Lawyer - Abdeslam "really upset" during ride from Paris.

Something must be going on.

How would his lawyer know that?

from the guys that were in the car with him, apparently

Ah right. I notice he slipped through the net again.

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

An interesting 'breaking news' item just flashed up on CNN.

Lawyer - Abdeslam "really upset" during ride from Paris.

Something must be going on.

How would his lawyer know that?

Man, you are so smart

Tim_B said:

RobD said:

Tim_B said:

An interesting 'breaking news' item just flashed up on CNN.

Lawyer - Abdeslam "really upset" during ride from Paris.

Something must be going on.

How would his lawyer know that?

Man, you are so smart

I do try

I was watching the NASCAR race in Homestead and lost the will to live for a while.

CNN has a piece on Davide Martello, the pianist who cycles round Paris with a grand piano behind his bicycle. He pedals up, then plays John Lennon's Imagine and everybody cries. Quite amazing.

HYUFD said:

The centre-right candidate Mauricio Macri leads on 54% to the 46% of Kirchner's preferred candidate, Daniel Scioli, with about half of votes counted in the final round of the Argentine presidential election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34896847

The Kirchner woman is horrid, so it looks like good news

Y0kel said:

Tim_B said:

An interesting 'breaking news' item just flashed up on CNN.

Lawyer - Abdeslam "really upset" during ride from Paris.

Something must be going on.

The Belgian authorities believe they are closing in, but they are currently involved in a mix of transmitting genuine info, and pure disinformation.

Both of which are being drowned out by tens of thousands of people posting pictures of their cats. We love you, the internet.

So we now know that 2 of the Paris attackers landed on the Greek island of Leros and found their way to Paris without being detected.

To any sane person, that should spell the end of Schengen.

But watching Dateline London this morning, (why is Polly Toynbee or some other Grauniad reporter always on it?), three correspondents were discussing the Schengen problem rationally, but the French reporter (usually lucid, fact based and rational) was levitating with anger, almost as if someone were inserting half a raw onion in his rectum, and saying that Schengen's abolition was unthinkable. When asked why, all he could come up with is that "It's part of the European ideal."

That's not even an argument, just an almost blind religious commitment and fervor to the EU 'ideal'. I'd like to stuff an entire raw onion up his rectum. Maybe a couple.

It's nonsense like this that makes me dislike the EU.

HYUFD said:

Tim_B said:

HYUFD said:

The centre-right candidate Mauricio Macri leads on 54% to the 46% of Kirchner's preferred candidate, Daniel Scioli, with about half of votes counted in the final round of the Argentine presidential election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34896847

The Kirchner woman is horrid, so it looks like good news

Yes also good news for the Falklands as he wants a more amicable relationship with the UK

Translation - he's not going to get any economic aid or business from the UK if Las Malvinas remains an issue.

Tim_B said:

HYUFD said:

Tim_B said:

HYUFD said:

The centre-right candidate Mauricio Macri leads on 54% to the 46% of Kirchner's preferred candidate, Daniel Scioli, with about half of votes counted in the final round of the Argentine presidential election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34896847

The Kirchner woman is horrid, so it looks like good news

Yes also good news for the Falklands as he wants a more amicable relationship with the UK

Translation - he's not going to get any economic aid or business from the UK if Las Malvinas remains an issue.

That may well be part of it too, night

French and onions. It just works

How does showing your passport at the border diminish Europe?

AndyJS said:

The French regard the EU as their last chance to build an empire capable of rivalling the United States. That's why they don't want to give up on Schengen no matter what happens.

Tim_B said:

So we now know that 2 of the Paris attackers landed on the Greek island of Leros and found their way to Paris without being detected.

To any sane person, that should spell the end of Schengen.

But watching Dateline London this morning, (why is Polly Toynbee or some other Grauniad reporter always on it?), three correspondents were discussing the Schengen problem rationally, but the French reporter (usually lucid, fact based and rational) was levitating with anger, almost as if someone were inserting half a raw onion in his rectum, and saying that Schengen's abolition was unthinkable. When asked why, all he could come up with is that "It's part of the European ideal."

That's not even an argument, just an almost blind religious commitment and fervor to the EU 'ideal'. I'd like to stuff an entire raw onion up his rectum. Maybe a couple.

It's nonsense like this that makes me dislike the EU.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Tim_B said:

HYUFD said:

Tim_B said:

HYUFD said:

The centre-right candidate Mauricio Macri leads on 54% to the 46% of Kirchner's preferred candidate, Daniel Scioli, with about half of votes counted in the final round of the Argentine presidential election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-34896847

The Kirchner woman is horrid, so it looks like good news

Yes also good news for the Falklands as he wants a more amicable relationship with the UK

Translation - he's not going to get any economic aid or business from the UK if Las Malvinas remains an issue.

"Las Malvinas" derives from the French "Les Malouines", referring to "from St. Malo".

St Malo is a sub-division on McGinnis Ferry Rd in Duluth, GA. I hear rumors of another named after it in France

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/22/marco-rubio-isis-strategy-us-troops-exclusive-interview

"The only way to defeat Isis is for Sunni Arabs themselves to reject them ideologically and defeat them militarily,” Rubio said. “They must be defeated on the ground with a ground force that is made up primarily of Arab Sunni fighters from Iraq, from Syria, but also from Jordan, from Egypt, from the Emirates, from Saudi Arabia.”

Is Rubio's plan a sectarian regional war with the US on one side and Russia on the other?