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Tottington on Bury (Lab defence)
Result of council at last election (2015): Labour 35, Conservatives 12, Independents 2, Liberal Democrats 2 (Labour majority of 19)
Result of ward at last election (2012): Labour 1,085 (42%), Conservative 965 (38%), United Kingdom Independence Party 379 (15%), Liberal Democrat 135 (5%)
Candidates duly nominated:
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douglas0
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I woz robbed0
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Time for an independent judge-led inquiry?Plato_Says said:I woz robbed
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Holy Moly
Desperate Slovenia brings out the tanks to deal with migrant arrivals as 12,000 enter the country in 24 hours
Slovenia brought in tanks and riot police to help control arrival of migrants
Tens of thousands have been crossing into Slovenia from Croatia, Hungary
Arrivals began on Friday when Hungary shut its entire border with Croatia
Migrants clashed with police on Slovenian border where man was stabbed
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3285054/Desperate-Slovenia-brings-tanks-deal-migrant-arrivals-12-000-enter-country-24-hours.html#ixzz3pKaUBKrW0 -
Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.0
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I'd second that. Big effort by Harry to get these done.david_herdson said:Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.
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david_herdson said:Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.
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I agree.david_herdson said:Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.
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Agreed. Thanks for all your work Harry.david_herdson said:Just a quick comment to express my continued admiration for these Thursday night threads: informative, well-written and nicely entertaining. Thanks.
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Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.
Thanks Harry.0 -
The Chandlers Ford division is a bit of a misnomer as it is basically the two Hiltingbury borough wards . It is also part of Winchester parliamentary seat not Eastleigh . The Conservative candidate is an Eastleigh borough councillor for one of the Hiltingbury wards .
It will be a big surprise if the Lib Dems gain this .0 -
Didn't you pen one or two in the distant past too?
I did one years ago.Jonathan said:Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.
Thanks Harry.0 -
I expect a LibDem collapse in Colchester, to mirror the GE. No fight back yet. Could even be down from 10% in Dedham...0
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FPT @SimonStClare re #EVEL - have you seen the ogling at Trudeau? He's yummy.0
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FPT
"Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."
I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.0 -
I did one every Sunday night for about 6 months back in 2010/11. It was hard work. When I look some of it was quite naive, but I am glad I did it. One article got to be the most read article that day, beating the Sunday papers thanks to Mike's unique site. Quite cool.Plato_Says said:Didn't you pen one or two in the distant past too?
I did one years ago.Jonathan said:Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.
Thanks Harry.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/01/23/is-this-the-age-of-the-spads/
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Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.HurstLlama said:FPT
"Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."
I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.0 -
No, is there a hashtag? – For research purposes only of coursePlato_Says said:FPT @SimonStClare re #EVEL - have you seen the ogling at Trudeau? He's yummy.
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@JosiasJessop
Re gambling being a social leveller, I worked for a spread betting firm in London for almost a decade, and the range of people there was v diverse
A Head boy at Eton, a prime ministers grandson, various Marlborough, Oxford and Cambridge types, but plenty of non university educated Essex boys, northern monkeys etc too.. I found it great fun mixing with the kind of people id never met before0 -
I remember that one. I enjoyed them a lot more than Mr Brind's efforts.
@JackW had an Against The Grain meme too that provoked some great threads.Jonathan said:
I did one every Sunday night for about 6 months back in 2010/11. It was hard work. When I look some of it was quite naive, but I am glad I did it. One article got to be the most read article that day, beating the Sunday papers thanks to Mike's unique site. Quite cool.Plato_Says said:Didn't you pen one or two in the distant past too?
I did one years ago.Jonathan said:Anyone who goes over the top and pens an article definitely deserves thanks from those of us who lurk down here in the trenches.
Thanks Harry.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/01/23/is-this-the-age-of-the-spads/0 -
Fair enough.isam said:@JosiasJessop
Re gambling being a social leveller, I worked for a spread betting firm in London for almost a decade, and the range of people there was v diverse
A Head boy at Eton, a prime ministers grandson, various Marlborough, Oxford and Cambridge types, but plenty of non university educated Essex boys, northern monkeys etc too.. I found it great fun mixing with the kind of people id never met before
I bet the same could be said for coke addicts as well. Fishing, shooting, gambling, freemasonry and hard drugs. Any other candidates?
And has anyone done all of them? SeanT?
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https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=news&q=trudeau hot&src=relaSimonStClare said:
No, is there a hashtag? – For research purposes only of coursePlato_Says said:FPT @SimonStClare re #EVEL - have you seen the ogling at Trudeau? He's yummy.
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Nah, its the same as shooting and fishing, you can't just volunteer to shoot on someone's land or fish in someone's river. You have to join a club one way or another, at least to get the best fishing/shooting.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.HurstLlama said:FPT
"Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."
I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.
Why you think that FreeMasonry wouldn't have you I have no idea, unless you have particularly disgusting table manners.0 -
I know an awful lot of working class Freemasons. Although I think it has more to do with the profession they work in than anything else.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.HurstLlama said:FPT
"Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."
I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.0 -
I love Peter Wishart's logical difficulty: bitterly opposing EVEL whilst arguing that it's "the one thing likely to lead to independence"! I imagine all these angry Nats are actually delighted.
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I don't think Philip Collins likes Seumas Milne very much
The three hate-ideas of the idiot savant left are capitalism, imperialism and America, or CIA for short - http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4593667.ece0 -
The timing is fascinatingJonnyJimmy said:I love Peter Wishart's logical difficulty: bitterly opposing EVEL whilst arguing that it's "the one thing likely to lead to independence"! I imagine all these angry Nats are actually delighted.
If it had happened last week the SNP conference would have completely overtaken by IndyRef2
Now the zoomers are demanding it on Twitter; meanwhile...The SNP are well aware that the current economics of independence make another referendum unwinnable.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/how-economy-remains-obstacle-second-6685837
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The Lib Dem councillors in my area of Colchester are working quite hard for us here.TheWhiteRabbit said:I expect a LibDem collapse in Colchester, to mirror the GE. No fight back yet. Could even be down from 10% in Dedham...
I must admit I voted Conservative at the election (a very hard decision due to work Sir Bob did for us a couple of years back)
Interestingly the conservatives in our patch have copied the tactic and are also getting involved.
Never lived in an area with this level of engagement from councillors before.
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I worked with a guy who was a freemason when I was about 19.JosiasJessop said:
Hmmm. I think Freemasonry excludes itself. I could buy fishing tackle, pay the rights owner, and fish. I could buy ((or borrow) a gun and go on a shoot. I'm not sure I'd know how to become a Freemason, and I'm fairly certain they wouldn't have me if I tried.HurstLlama said:FPT
"Shooting and fishing are the only true social levellers. You can be fishing or shooting beside a farmer, a binman or a Lord."
I would beg to add Freemasonry to the list. One can sit down to dinner with a Duke of the Blood on one side and a taxi driver on the other and all get pissed together without side or distinction.
He told me quite a bit about their rituals etc.
I asked half jokingly if I could join.
His reply was 'I don't think that you would take it seriously enough'
Not a bad judge of character tbh.
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I imagine death is the greatest - can't imagine social differences mean much on a terminal cancer ward.JosiasJessop said:
Fair enough.isam said:@JosiasJessop
Re gambling being a social leveller, I worked for a spread betting firm in London for almost a decade, and the range of people there was v diverse
A Head boy at Eton, a prime ministers grandson, various Marlborough, Oxford and Cambridge types, but plenty of non university educated Essex boys, northern monkeys etc too.. I found it great fun mixing with the kind of people id never met before
I bet the same could be said for coke addicts as well. Fishing, shooting, gambling, freemasonry and hard drugs. Any other candidates?
And has anyone done all of them? SeanT?0 -
Horrific story
Attacker posed for pictures with kids before killing teacher and a pupil
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@feedthedrummer: Notice it is only SNP MPs the National think are second class. Hell of an endorsement of @IanMurrayMP if you ask me. https://t.co/vo07TG4lic0
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He's third class along with Mundane and fat Al.Scott_P said:@feedthedrummer: Notice it is only SNP MPs the National think are second class. Hell of an endorsement of @IanMurrayMP if you ask me. https://t.co/vo07TG4lic
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Not according to the American owned, English published, SNP propaganda rag, the Nat onalEh_ehm_a_eh said:He's third class along with Mundane and fat Al.
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Let me get this clear - EVEL stands for English VETO for English Laws?0
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Meanwhile, in another universe, Hillary is still testifying. I doubt it'll be a ratings sweep for CNN or msnbc.0
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LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.malcolmg said:
http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/Scott_P said:Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?
This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.
The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.0 -
The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?0
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Can anyone spot something missing from this news on the BBC website ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-346033300 -
Dedham is not in the Colchester Parliamentary seat . It is in Harwich and North Essex .TheWhiteRabbit said:I expect a LibDem collapse in Colchester, to mirror the GE. No fight back yet. Could even be down from 10% in Dedham...
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Sun saying Metropolitan Lefty "agitator" being lined up for Meacher's seat0
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There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.Dair said:
LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.malcolmg said:
http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/Scott_P said:Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?
This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.
You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.0 -
Dair is so upset he forgot to use the magic word. No biccy for him tonight.Luckyguy1983 said:You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.
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Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
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Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
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@JonnyJimmy Quite so! And when do English/Welsh MPs get to vote on matters decided at Holyrood? All MPs are second class by that measure. It's how the cookie crumbles.0
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I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrongTheuniondivvie said:
Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
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You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.Luckyguy1983 said:
There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.Dair said:
LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.malcolmg said:
http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/Scott_P said:Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?
This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.
It's not eating me up, it's indicative of the way that the BritNats are trying to frame the debate. They want the SNP to take action against people who are not members of the SNP. They want free speach limited by any means possible to allow their propaganda to go unchallenged.
It's just another excellent example of how the BritNats represent the dark side of nationalism in the face of an encompassing Scottish Independence movement.0 -
I really should have researched my representatives better!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,1330 -
Lol!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
Puncture for the outrage bus.0 -
'The Office for National Statistics gives the median total parliamentary electorate across constituencies of about 72,400 in England, 69,000 in Scotland, 66,800 in Northern Ireland and 56,800 in Wales.'JonnyJimmy said:
I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrongTheuniondivvie said:
Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
http://tinyurl.com/q3t7yat0 -
Overrepresentation by Electorate.JonnyJimmy said:
I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrongTheuniondivvie said:
Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
1, Wales
2. NI
3. Scotland
4. England
By voters.
1. NI
2. Wales
3. England
4. Scotland
So in terms of votes cast, Scotland has the worst representation and therefore the least valuable individual votes in the United Kingdom.0 -
Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
Puncture for the outrage bus.0 -
Britain Elects @britainelects
Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.
Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out: http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/0 -
Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.ece
Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.
Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
Why does this sound like Osborne?0 -
Goodness, Germaine Greer is irritating.0
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Seats based on population has been a persistent Labour argument for yonks xD. What's made you come round to it ?JonnyJimmy said:
Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
Puncture for the outrage bus.0 -
You were talking about votes not electorate and on that basis Scotland is the least well represented part of the UK, MalcolmGs vote is worth less than a voter in any other country of the UK.JonnyJimmy said:
Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
Puncture for the outrage bus.
It was merely heightened irony your examples were of some of the larger population seats in Scotland and smallest population seats in England.0 -
Is population per seat irrelevant because of the foreigners living in England?Dair said:
Overrepresentation by Electorate.JonnyJimmy said:
I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrongTheuniondivvie said:
Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
1, Wales
2. NI
3. Scotland
4. England
By voters.
1. NI
2. Wales
3. England
4. Scotland
So in terms of votes cast, Scotland has the worst representation and therefore the least valuable individual votes in the United Kingdom.0 -
Tissue_Price said:Britain Elects @britainelects
Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.
Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out:http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/0 -
12.3% swing! Though I think there were local factors.
Tottington (Bury) result:
CON - 52.2% (+14.0)
LAB - 30.9% (-10.5)
UKIP - 9.9% (-5.1)
LDEM - 4.3% (-1.0)
GRN - 2.7% (+2.7)0 -
"MalcolmGs vote is worth less than a voter in any other country of the UK."
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"Labour sources suggest that they will push for a quick campaign to stop Nigel Farage’s Eurosceptic party “bedding in”."Tissue_Price said:Britain Elects @britainelects
Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.
Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out: http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/
Would be interesting if UKIP select Paul Nuttall.0 -
@wildernessyrs: Ouch. Tories up 14, Labour down 10 in Tottington (Bury). https://t.co/GGxdTFUyEo0
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Fuck me! The wheels are coming aff.JonnyJimmy said:
Is population per seat irrelevant because of the foreigners living in England?Dair said:
Overrepresentation by Electorate.JonnyJimmy said:
I think their voter to MP ratio is similar to England's, actually I checked population to MP so please correct me if I'm wrongTheuniondivvie said:
Why are NI MPs excused your outrage?JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
1, Wales
2. NI
3. Scotland
4. England
By voters.
1. NI
2. Wales
3. England
4. Scotland
So in terms of votes cast, Scotland has the worst representation and therefore the least valuable individual votes in the United Kingdom.0 -
Credit where credit is due, I think Farage tonight on BBCQT is a lot more measured and reasonable than I've seen him before. I haven't had a good word to say about him here before but he is performing well tonight.0
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Nooooo!Tissue_Price said:Britain Elects @britainelects
Conservative GAIN Tottington (Bury) from Labour.
Going well for Corbyn then. Still, selecting Jon Lansman for Oldham will surely work out: http://www.sunnation.co.uk/labour-agitator-being-lined-up-for-seat-following-michael-meachers-death/
It has to be Karie Murphy. Please, please, please let it be Karie Murphy.0 -
News on the 'other' football -
The NFL have extended their 2 games a year at Wembley contract until 2020.
They also have a contract to play 2 games a year at Spurs new stadium starting 2018.
The Jaguars will play 1 game a year at Wembley each year, and their owner has said fairly openly that if there is to be a London team, he wants it to be the Jaguars. They are not doing well in Jacksonville for attendance.
The NFL tried to buy the London Olympic stadium, so they are serious. Why?
The Jaguars Bills game on Sunday will be the 13th game played in London, and one fan in attendance will be the millionth UK NFL fan through the turnstiles. That's why. They also sell a huge amount of NFL stuff each game, over $1 million a game. That's why.
They are still trying to make the logistics work on having a team based there.0 -
I hadn't really given it much thought before, and I'm not sure it's a great idea but I think it's a relevant consideration when contemplating the "second class" nature of Scottish/Welsh/ Irish MPsPulpstar said:
Seats based on population has been a persistent Labour argument for yonks xD. What's made you come round to it ?JonnyJimmy said:
Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
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It's not eating me up, it's indicative of the way that the BritNats are trying to frame the debate. They want the SNP to take action against people who are not members of the SNP. They want free speach limited by any means possible to allow their propaganda to go unchallenged.Dair said:
You really are being eaten up by this. It's a shame.Luckyguy1983 said:
There is a very dark cloud over the BritNats current squealing. They do seem very intent on shutting down free speech and limiting all discussion to be in line with only what the BritNats find acceptable.Dair said:
LOL, they will want Stasi rounding up suspected SNP supporters soon. Cannot beat them at the ballot box so let us just put them in gulags, UK democracy you just got to love the loyalist unionists chutzpah.malcolmg said:
http://www.capx.co/shouldnt-nicola-sturgeon-be-expelling-some-nationalist-extremists/Scott_P said:Isn’t it about time the SNP started investigating those in their ranks who are behind the worst abuses, and, if they are revealed to be members, start expelling them or at least issuing meaningful warnings. Isn’t proper action by Nicola Sturgeon – who is much more reasonable and sensible than the ego-maniac Alex Salmond – overdue, to clean up her party?
This problem now cuts across party or ideological lines, threatening basic freedoms and eroding civic norms that were taken for granted until the madness and bitterness of the referendum period.
The only way they can get their lies and misleading half-truths to gain purchase is by shutting down all opposition to the vile BritNat viewpoint. They know they are losing the battle as their propaganda fails to do the job they want.
It's just another excellent example of how the BritNats represent the dark side of nationalism in the face of an encompassing Scottish Independence movement.
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Wales is massively over-represented in terms of seats. Scotland isn'tJonnyJimmy said:
I hadn't really given it much thought before, and I'm not sure it's a great idea but I think it's a relevant consideration when contemplating the "second class" nature of Scottish/Welsh/ Irish MPsPulpstar said:
Seats based on population has been a persistent Labour argument for yonks xD. What's made you come round to it ?JonnyJimmy said:
Indeed! But you didn't argue that initially because, I expect, you know that Scottish seats are generally smaller population wise than English ones.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol!Pulpstar said:
Electorate sizes:JonnyJimmy said:The thing that really stinks about the West Lothian question is that not only do the Scots and Welsh MPs get to vote on English only matters, they do it with less voters per constituency so one MalcolmG vote counts more on English matters than one Charles vote. How can that be right?
Malcg's area:
North Ayrshire and Arran electorate 75,791;
Central ayrshire 70,021;
Ayr Carrick & Cumnock 72,995
Charles' manor:
Chelsea and Fulham 63,478
Kensington electorate 61,133
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Looking at the reviews of the new Bond movie Spectre it appears they may be including a few topical themes. Suggests they're taking a pro-Snowden line on surveillance and perhaps more amusingly they seem to have updated it for age of austerity. There's a new pen-pushing bureaucrat called 'C' (not short for anything we assume) who's decided he wants to, horror of all horrors, cut the 00 section. It's up to M and Bond to fight for their jobs.0
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.eceScott_P said:Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.
Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.
Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
Why does this sound like Osborne?
The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.0 -
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.eceScott_P said:Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.
Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.
Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
Why does this sound like Osborne?
I really hope and suspect any changes like this are not because of party politics but is as said because of the health of the monarch. Though I think if the Queen can't serve her functions as monarch in an era of longer lifespans then perhaps she should retire (as the Dutch Queen did two years ago) rather than shorten our memorials to the those lost at war.0 -
None of the panel seem to have noticed that Hinkley Point is actually pretty bad value for money !
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That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.Tissue_Price said:12.3% swing! Though I think there were local factors.
Tottington (Bury) result:
CON - 52.2% (+14.0)
LAB - 30.9% (-10.5)
UKIP - 9.9% (-5.1)
LDEM - 4.3% (-1.0)
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He's forgotten Nicola's wise words alreadyLuckyguy1983 said:Squealing vile Britnats? Couple of mental stops to shooting people for the greater good.
@NicolaSturgeon: Note to my fellow independence supporters. People who disagree are not anti Scottish. Does our cause no good to hurl abuse (& it's wrong)
Maybe time for some re-education...0 -
I thought she made a good point, the reforms China have done to move from famine to major development is a modern day miracle.isam said:Bore off Greer
Funny seeing Farage now attacking the tax credits reforms when 100% of UKIP MPs have been backing them.0 -
The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.eceScott_P said:Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.
Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.
Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
Why does this sound like Osborne?
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Politicians driving police investigations at allies' request. You'd be shocked were it Russia or Venezuela
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I like that idea. Keeps remembrance in mind for those with no life experience.
The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.eceScott_P said:Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.
Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.
Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
Why does this sound like Osborne?
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http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/13647425.Ex_councillor_spared_jail_after_admitting_child_sex_photos_offences/Scott_P said:
Allegedly there were "local factors"Dair said:That has to be some sort of record in a marginal seat during this portion of the electoral cycle.
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A completely different issue.Scott_P said:
He's forgotten Nicola's wise words alreadyLuckyguy1983 said:Squealing vile Britnats? Couple of mental stops to shooting people for the greater good.
@NicolaSturgeon: Note to my fellow independence supporters. People who disagree are not anti Scottish. Does our cause no good to hurl abuse (& it's wrong)
Maybe time for some re-education...
BritNat Trolls are the problem, either the direct BritNat trolls like Ian Martin and Iain Smart or the Trolls-By-Proxy like Joanne Rowling. There was a delicious irony in Martin's celebration of cyber-attacks by Rowling against anyone that opposes her BritNat drool.0 -
Is it?Pulpstar said:None of the panel seem to have noticed that Hinkley Point is actually pretty bad value for money !
Get Junior on there.
I am not an expert but surely it is false to compare strike prices for power plants that have not been built yet a decade from now to the prices generated by existing power plants (much of which will be retired within the next decade).
The comparison should be to the strike prices of alternative means of power generation and it seems that it is a lot more competitive then.0 -
It opens here 11/6. I was 10 when Dr, No came out, but the first one I saw on release was Goldfinger. Since then even after all these years, whenever I hear the James Bond theme I react to it. I have the soundtrack of the pre-credits music from Goldfinger as the ring tone on my phone. Some of the later Roger Moore ones were poor, but I'll be there in 2 weeks.FrankBooth said:Looking at the reviews of the new Bond movie Spectre it appears they may be including a few topical themes. Suggests they're taking a pro-Snowden line on surveillance and perhaps more amusingly they seem to have updated it for age of austerity. There's a new pen-pushing bureaucrat called 'C' (not short for anything we assume) who's decided he wants to, horror of all horrors, cut the 00 section. It's up to M and Bond to fight for their jobs.
The music has never been the same since John Barry's departure, culminating in the simply dreadful theme song to Skyfall.0 -
Well, the head of MI6 is traditionally called "C" after Mansfield Cumming, who founded it as a separate (from what is now MI5) service.FrankBooth said:Looking at the reviews of the new Bond movie Spectre it appears they may be including a few topical themes. Suggests they're taking a pro-Snowden line on surveillance and perhaps more amusingly they seem to have updated it for age of austerity. There's a new pen-pushing bureaucrat called 'C' (not short for anything we assume) who's decided he wants to, horror of all horrors, cut the 00 section. It's up to M and Bond to fight for their jobs.
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He's virtue signalling elsewhere right nowPulpstar said:
None of the panel seem to have noticed that Hinkley Point is actually pretty bad value for money !
Get Junior on there.0 -
I don't think he really 'attacked' them do you?Philip_Thompson said:
I thought she made a good point, the reforms China have done to move from famine to major development is a modern day miracle.isam said:Bore off Greer
Funny seeing Farage now attacking the tax credits reforms when 100% of UKIP MPs have been backing them.
He said the same as Carswell did on Mondays daily politics re fields amendment0 -
I'd back this idea.Dair said:
The wreath should be laid by the youngest member of the house, irrespective of party.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4593927.eceScott_P said:Year after year the Queen has stood in the biting November cold to honour the fallen on Remembrance Sunday.
Now, as she approaches her 90th birthday, the service at the Cenotaph is to be shortened to limit the standing time, but the move has provoked a political row over an enhanced role for David Cameron.
Last week, the leaders of the four main opposition parties were told that they would no longer be required to each lay a wreath in turn at the war memorial on November 8, leaving only the prime minister to lay one on his own.
Why does this sound like Osborne?
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