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For sake of completeness, here's Lab MPs who didn't vote but who had prior commitments (not inc watching Apprentice) pic.twitter.com/W8meNOWEOR
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Labour’s 21 abstentions according to party whips, not including authorised absences:
Fiona Mactaggart
Rushanara Ali
Ian Austin
Ben Bradshaw
Adrian Bailey
Shabana Mahmood
Ann Coffey
Andrew Smith
Simon Danczuk
Jamie Reed
Chris Evans
Graham Stringer
Frank Field
Gisela Stuart
Mike Gapes
Margaret Hodge
Tristram Hunt
Graham Jones
Helen Jones
Liz Kendall
Chris Leslie
So who is it out of this list?
Powell?
Which labour MP will be the first to get the nickname 'sicknote'?
Was it after all 37, or really 21?? Gordon Brown's smoke and mirrors was much better than this.
What does PB make of this story?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/14/zac-goldsmith-urged-to-withdraw-paedophile-ring-allegations
There was a good deal of indignation here about Watson, in seemingly rather similar contexts. I didn't comment much then and won't now, as I don't know enough about the allegations and supposed evidence, though as I've said before I do think that death should not really be open season for allegations not least because of the impact on surviving relatives.
But top work by George Osborne, managed to make McDonnell look like a numpty and entrenched the position that Labour just want to rack up the debt.
He's a genius and top strategist isn't he?
From the Times
Scottish MPs will be blocked from voting on English-only laws under new plans to be brought before the Commons next week.
The timing of the announcement is intended as a deliberate provocation of the Scottish National party at the start of its annual conference, according to Tory sources.
I have a memory floating around that a lot of social mobility is damaged by a long summer break. Pupils from better off households (well both better off and more educationally focussed, which correlates to an extent) are more likely to read/retain knowledge/do helpful things for their development over the summer, whereas other children fall behind.
Whereas if you split holidays up into shorter blocks through the year then you don't get as much drop off and it helps those kids with potential but from less helpful/supportive/educationally-focused backgrounds.
Plus things about it being easier to parents from a childcare kind of things (easier to chain things like family cover and time off work in small chunks than to cover a six week period) and greater flexibility about the timing of family holidays etc.
(I'm not sure if the old thing about the school year being based on children having time off to help with the farming is true or not).
The terms thing is a pet idea of mine (I'm sure others have thought of it in more details of course). That you join at the first term start date after your birthday, complete 3 terms then move up to the next year, so the children enter and progress on a staggered basis.
Makes sense to me but I haven't analysed deeply etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34531731
If he is wrong he should withdraw now and apologise without reservation. Other members should avoid the rhetoric that seems to be the norm here normally from your side I should add.
By the way Nick could you point me to the place where The .Nonce Finder General actually withdraws the comments or even apologises for distress caused.
Anywhere?
That said, it is Chris Grayling who is doing this, and I have no confidence in him not screwing this up, again.
How he is still a cabinet minister I have no idea.
It is the first key vote since Corbyn took over - and he failed to carry his troops with him.
Of course it is bloody significant! And it is just the start of his inability to control his MPs.
Popcorn futures are going through the roof
In terms of say of the Iraq vote in 2003 and I think 139 rebels, it is insignificant.
The Green MP, the splendid Ms. Lucas who explained in the debate that their economic policy is you keep on borrowing until you can't afford to borrow any more....
but perhaps that's not that shocking these days with the lab leadership.
All I get is guidos page and the link on there sends me back to guidos page.
Not to worry does not take too much imagination to picture the interview.
Losing two indyrefs in a row really will settle the matter for a generation.
" yeah it's bad but look on the bright side I think there may be a single space on the lifeboat at the other end of this bloody long deck.......
Maybe? "
(That's directed at a study by the BBC showed, not you kle4. Thanks for the link)
Why would a cricket fan (me!) care that his Lord's ticket cost more than a match ticket in Madras or Bombay, for example? Or that a replica shirt was cheaper there? Is this some BBC misunderstanding of capitalism in that I can just stroll down the road from Eastleigh to Munich because it's cheaper ... in much the same way as I can change supermarkets to buy cheaper beans?
My licence fee paid for this rubbish! Well it didn't because I don't actually pay the telly tax, but never let details get in the way of a good moan, eh?
No leader of a political party has faced that much of a rebellion on the first key vote.
The future is bleak for party discipline.
Specifically to their own constituencies in exchange for parliamentary support.
English votes for english laws is one way to kill the SNP-Tory card that propelled the Tories to a majority.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11931162/How-Labour-can-get-rid-of-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnell-in-one-easy-step.html
I note though you are making all efforts to dilute this as best possible Le which is fine. What if the Tories had been in this position and not Labour. What would your postings look like then I wonder.
Nah ...ignore it its telegraph spin Tories are fine just a few muppets going overboard. Mmmm...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-facing-first-tory-rebellion-over-europe-as-ministers-try-to-appease-revolt-on-10324032.html
http://news.sky.com/story/1548529/tories-get-taste-for-rebellion-in-purdah-vote
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fox-hunting-david-cameron-facing-tory-6050481
No one has accused Cameron of being on the verge of political disaster with these rebellions.
Can we have a side-bar detailing his hectic diary please and when he's on telly or radio a "Burgon Times" listings?
Mind you when you consider that UKIP hope to benefit from corbymania, you can see what a wierd world we now live in...
This hopefully gives us a second bite at OUT too and a glorious win/win.
Galactic levels of delusion...
Lord Phillips, former UK Supreme Court head, and Lord Macdonald, ex-director of public prosecutions, are among 300 to sign an open letter on the issue.
They say the offer to accept 20,000 refugees over five years is not enough. One retired judge said the UK could cope with taking in 75,000 a year."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34502419
TBF if one person goes off piste then the Tory government is about to fall. If there is an alternative view expressed then according to Surbiton then "cracks and fissures" are opening up in the Tories. I note that cracks and fissures were not used tonight so yep you are probably correct all is sweetness and light in the Labour Party. My bad.
I can only presume that the Labour Party are a totally unified force for good working as one for the good of all. Oh.... And Surby is either a Geologist or a very frustrated climber that never made it to the the top of a sand dune.
Sometimes, they should just stick to being lawyers and see if they can get that right.
https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/654425642604363776
Just back so I don't know the total number but given the position of the opposition , or the new position of the opposition, or the latest position of the opposition which has probably changed again since I started writing this sentence.......
Can that many Labour a MPs have sick notes and / or the dog ate my homework excuses?
Surely, the first person who raised the Jimmy Saville issue was also attacking an "innocent" dead man until more evidence came in. No one thinks Saville was innocent today !
The stories about some of these people were rife in the 80s when both Watson and Goldsmith were toddlers.
However it is the sort of change that is actually quite hard to undo = as the world moves on and past battles aren't always worth re-fighting.
Given that Labour won't be in a position to do anything for a long time, I am not too concerned about it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015
HS2 is an individual project, not a policy area.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3273212/Goldsmith-told-quit-London-mayor-race-abuse-smears-Tory-candidate-refuses-withdraw-discredited-claims-linked-Brittan.html
A couple of points. For Goldsmith afaik it is a constituency matter (not entirely clear on boundaries, but Elm Guest House was not in Richmond West Bromwich). Goldsmith appears focussed on the abuse, not the political allegiance of the alleged abuser - something Watson seems to have a bit of a blind spot on - but yes, death should not result in "open season" on the reputation of the recently deceased. ( Watson in the Sunday Mirror immediately after Brittan died).
- M. H. Thatcher, 14th Oct 1977
If you follow her point to its logical conclusion using your analogy, we would all be richer if we all took out bigger mortgages and bought bigger houses.
Oops!