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There is no effective difference between Scots Law and the Law in England and Wales on this matter.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
Any actionable fault would lie with the sellers solicitor. Thomson has no responsibility to pay an arbitrary amount for a property. It is up to the buyer and seller to agree a price - which they did. It is then up to the sellers solicitor to advise them if there is a reason why they should not proceed.0 -
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.0 -
There are certainly a few ruthless Tory exploiters of the rental sector landlords among them:Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
Lisa Cameron, the MP for East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow, receives rent from a house in Lanarkshire and five flats in Edinburgh and South Lanarkshire.
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, the Ochil and South Perthshire MP, rents out three flats in Glasgow and a house in Kingussie.........
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13798627.Sixteen_of_the_SNP_s_55_MPs_have_financial_interests_in_property/0 -
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
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When Cameron came to power the Tories had less than 200 seats and were faced with the best election winning asset in Labour history. Such idle talk as listed in the FT is rubbish. The situation in 2010 was that whilst Labour were ruined, so was the country.CarlottaVance said:Janan Ganesh:
Formed by the sylvan Home Counties, Mr Cameron was going to be another Harold Macmillan — the Tory grandee elegantly steering his country to no particular destination. Instead, he is turning out to be a disruptive prime minister. He will probably leave the state substantially smaller than he found it, and so tarnish the idea of increasing expenditure faster than economic growth as to make any re-expansion electorally untenable for some time. Already far fewer people work for the state or receive transfers from it.
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You must be filled with regret that all these people only get one vote each.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
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Dair ..depends on where they live..0
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There are several questions. We know the solicitor who acted for Thomson acted illegally - what her role, if any, in this is not yet known.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
The bigger political issue, is what is the party of "social justice and fairness" (don't bring up free University tuition and how its benefitting the better off - ed.) doing sending MPs to Westminster who have (in some cases substantial) personal property portfolios?
We're different from the rest! They cried.
Yeh...right......0 -
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.0 -
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
and the line that I saw overnight "they all had solicitors" has duly been parrotted
No mention of the fact that some of these solicitors have been struck off for misconduct
"If your bent solicitor ripped you off in a back to back transaction with someone who just happens to be prominent in the SNP, BAD LUCK SUCKERS!!!!"0 -
If there's anything more convincing than aCasino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
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PB ToryorkipperdependinghowreactionaryImfeeling telling himself that his favoured echo chamber is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines, I want to know what it is. Old chap.0 -
It's the New Politics.watford30 said:
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.0 -
That's actually how the law is structured.watford30 said:
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.
The requirement for a seller to have their own independent solicitor is a safeguard against transactions which are not in the sellers interest. It is not the responsibility of the buyer.0 -
Social justice - Nat style
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13805312.MP_Thomson_s_business_described_raise_in_families_losing_homes_as__quot_great_opportunity_quot_/
"A BUSINESS run by an MP involved in a row over her property dealings described a rise in families losing their homes as a "great opportunity" and said emotional attachment could stand in the way of "huge profit".
A blog written to promote Michelle Thomson's firm Your Property Shop offered advice to those thinking of entering the sector and included several links to the company's main website."0 -
Carlotta
"Andrew Roberts in the Spectator argues Cameron may be on track to rank around - or ahead of - MacMillan:"
Praise indeed. I look forward to the night of the long knives. Isn't he the one of whom it was said "Greater love has no-man than he would lay down his friends for his life"
(If so he's had perfect training as an advertising account exec )
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A BUSINESS run by an MP involved in a row over her property dealings described a rise in families losing their homes as a "great opportunity" and said emotional attachment could stand in the way of "huge profit".
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13805312.MP_Thomson_s_business_described_raise_in_families_losing_homes_as__quot_great_opportunity_quot_/
A blog written to promote Michelle Thomson's firm Your Property Shop offered advice to those thinking of entering the sector and included several links to the company's main website."Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Sorry, that was yesterday's line.
Buying distressed property is SNP social Justice in action.0 -
It undoubtedly was Afaiac. I posted on..here about two.women who were chatting about it in a sshopping mall shortly.before election day and how worried they were about the threat from the SNP. Anecdotal I know but.salmond did it for Dave with his nonsense about writing Ed's budget.flightpath01 said:
And the SNP issue was one targeted right from the start by the Tories. It probably took a couple of weeks for the likely sweeping success of the SNP to filter down. This issue in turn was probably given a leg up by Cameron's link of EVEL to more devolution for Scotland.Charles said:O/T
Sat next to someone who was very involved in the Twickenham campaign for the Tories.
Said that 4-6 weeks out they expected to make good progress but lose the seat.
2 weeks out canvass returns shifted rapidly. The big move was from Undecided to Tory (he noted that there were some wards which had a majority Undecided). He reckoned the SNP issue was the decisive factor0 -
When Gordon Brown casually ruined the pensions industry it made sense for people to move towards buy to let rather than formally save for their pension.CarlottaVance said:
There are certainly a few ruthless Tory exploiters of the rental sector landlords among them:Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
Lisa Cameron, the MP for East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow, receives rent from a house in Lanarkshire and five flats in Edinburgh and South Lanarkshire.
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, the Ochil and South Perthshire MP, rents out three flats in Glasgow and a house in Kingussie.........
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13798627.Sixteen_of_the_SNP_s_55_MPs_have_financial_interests_in_property/
Now it is this Tory govt who is levelling the playing field by making it easier to do what you want with pension lump sums and and is revising tax on buy to let profits. It probably ought to recant and increase the tax free pension allowance, not I should add that I would benefit.0 -
I don't think that's possible, though.Casino_Royale said:
The key EU reform that Cameron should have focussed IMHO on is the ability to reverse previous EU opt-ins taken by previous UK governments. I.e. A UK Parliament cannot bind its successor by ceding powers for good, and re opt-outs are possible.rcs1000 said:
You do know that it is perfectly possible to be a member of the ECJ without being a member of the EU (as Switzerland is), and to be a member of the EU without being subject to ECJ rulings (as we were before Labour changed things), don't you?blackburn63 said:
Stay in the EU anyone?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
If he'd got that, practical threshold limits for free movement, as well as protections for the UK as a non-eurozone member within a reformed single market, then there might be a renegotiation to sell.
In theory a Parliament can always repudiate a Treaty, so they are not bound. But I can't see that a hokey-cokey approach to the EU would be appealing to our partners.0 -
Let's see where that ends up, but the traditional Tory right would certainly not see jacking up the minimum wage to high levels, have concerns about using the language of the Left or flagging intent to follow progressive equality policies and relaxing inmigration restrictions as a positive sign of the direction of travel.flightpath01 said:
That's assuming your assumptions are correct. Many people will not see 12bn of welfare cuts as the Tories moving to the left.Casino_Royale said:
Absolutely. That's precisely why I didn't cheer on Tories who thought it was amusing to register to vote for him.Sean_F said:
if the Conservatives do tack Left, then that vindicates the strategy of Corbyn's supporters.Casino_Royale said:
Neither do I. Osborne is using it to play political chess, as he loves to do, and I think is - consciously or otherwise - tacking the party to the Left.DavidL said:
We see in Japan, for example, that this does not lead to good government. That is why I don't find the self destruction of Labour, as evidenced by the thread header, at all funny.Sean_F said:
Alternatively, in the absence of any real opposition, the Conservatives stay in office for decades, gradually becoming corrupt and incompetent, as hegemonic political parties tend to.david_herdson said:
I agree with that analysis. Indeed, I'd go further. I'd argue that if Labour succumbs to prolonged Corbynitis, whether under him or another far-left leader, they *won't* be the other main party. The electorate will give them this parliament as an indulgence but will expect them to come to their senses after another defeat. If they don't, expect either UKIP or the Lib Dems, possibly bolstered by an SDP2, to start making serious running.AndyJS said:One theory to explain Pullinger´s comments goes something like this: since the UK isn´t a one party state, the Labour Party are going to get back into power eventually and so it´s worth having Corbyn as leader even if he loses an election or two en route to eventual victory. The only problem with this analysis is that it assumes Labour will continue to be one of the main two parties no matter what happens.
Things can change quickly. They don't often. Indeed, they do rarely. But as the Liberals of the 1920s or Scottish Labour this last decade. Parties that lose their purpose to the public lose their place at the top table if an alternative is ready and able to take it from them.
That's a high-risk strategy for his future leadership ambitions.
Incidentally, I'm befuddled why Osborne can't see this. Politics isn't a game.0 -
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.0 -
Surely 'Spivvy New Politics'.MarqueeMark said:
It's the New Politics.watford30 said:
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.0 -
There was a senior politician back in the day who had 'An Ode to the Liberals' pinned up next to his desk:Ghedebrav said:
They sat upon the fence so long,
That everything fell out
And false and true,
And right and wrong
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/uk-britain-economy-pmi-idUKKCN0RZ0N720151005
Lowest PMI in 2 1/2 years. PMI below equivalent PMI in the Eurozone countries.0 -
Why should our partners care whether we're in the ECJ rulings, charter of fundamental rights, or the EAW?Charles said:
I don't think that's possible, though.Casino_Royale said:
The key EU reform that Cameron should have focussed IMHO on is the ability to reverse previous EU opt-ins taken by previous UK governments. I.e. A UK Parliament cannot bind its successor by ceding powers for good, and re opt-outs are possible.rcs1000 said:
You do know that it is perfectly possible to be a member of the ECJ without being a member of the EU (as Switzerland is), and to be a member of the EU without being subject to ECJ rulings (as we were before Labour changed things), don't you?blackburn63 said:
Stay in the EU anyone?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
If he'd got that, practical threshold limits for free movement, as well as protections for the UK as a non-eurozone member within a reformed single market, then there might be a renegotiation to sell.
In theory a Parliament can always repudiate a Treaty, so they are not bound. But I can't see that a hokey-cokey approach to the EU would be appealing to our partners.
People should be allowed to change their minds as circumstances dictate. It would also make the EU more democratic and responsive.0 -
Collusion and conspiracy?Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
Please do keep up the good work. What a crass fool you are making yourself look.0 -
Will she be deported to England - Scotland is the most social justicey nation in the history of social justice - will be difficult to blow smoke up the rear of the population reminding them of this while she is still on the premises.Dair said:
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.
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Because longevity matters as much, if not more, than size of majority.Casino_Royale said:
Because George Osborne is enthusiastically partisan and finds it fun.Sean_F said:economic policy had moved too far right, and Corbyn could shift the consensus leftwards.
A win is a win. The Conservatives have an effective majority of 30 or so (given the way Douglas Carswell and unionists will usually vote). Why move onto Labour's territory just to get a bigger majority?
If you have 10 years or 15 years to bed in welfare reforms they are unlikely to be reversed.
That won't be the case with 5 years0 -
I presume Tories don't buy houses and sell for a profit then. You can be sure AntieFrank will have pocketed plenty from property as many other Tories have, nothing to beat the whiff of hypocrisy.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.0 -
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I never buy cheap houses. Just houses cheap...watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.0 -
You want laws passed so that people are unable to freely sell their assets turnip head.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.0 -
It was purely coincidence that 17 out of 17 cases sited involved this Nat woman's firm.flightpath01 said:
Collusion and conspiracy?Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
Please do keep up the good work. What a crass fool you are making yourself look.0 -
LOL, village idiot on the loosewatford30 said:
So many repeat visits from loons such as MalcolmG, hitting the Rev Jock's site for their fix of tartan porn. One click for every strum.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
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What? The commissars are sending you into action without rifles?Roger said:Topping
"Roger please try to stay on message in this new age of politics of ours.
It's "Scottish Tory Scum."
Thanks comrade. I've been away and missed have missed the latest communique from the front
Anyway, its good to see you are behaving yourself, we would not want to see you in the prisoner battalions.0 -
It may be different in Scotland, but solicitors don't advise on price in EnglandDair said:
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.0 -
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
What was that for and when?
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It is bizarre to see TGOHF, ScottP, flightpath, Carlotta, etc all screaming out in their desire for a socialist utopia where all decisions are overseen by government.malcolmg said:
You want laws passed so that people are unable to freely sell their assets turnip head.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
What a bizarre world they seem to want. Bunch of nasty, insular, little Trots.0 -
I thought your point was on previous EU opt-outs, not the ECJCasino_Royale said:
Why should our partners care whether we're in the ECJ rulings, charter of fundamental rights, or the EAW?Charles said:
I don't think that's possible, though.Casino_Royale said:
The key EU reform that Cameron should have focussed IMHO on is the ability to reverse previous EU opt-ins taken by previous UK governments. I.e. A UK Parliament cannot bind its successor by ceding powers for good, and re opt-outs are possible.rcs1000 said:
You do know that it is perfectly possible to be a member of the ECJ without being a member of the EU (as Switzerland is), and to be a member of the EU without being subject to ECJ rulings (as we were before Labour changed things), don't you?blackburn63 said:
Stay in the EU anyone?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
If he'd got that, practical threshold limits for free movement, as well as protections for the UK as a non-eurozone member within a reformed single market, then there might be a renegotiation to sell.
In theory a Parliament can always repudiate a Treaty, so they are not bound. But I can't see that a hokey-cokey approach to the EU would be appealing to our partners.
People should be allowed to change their minds as circumstances dictate. It would also make the EU more democratic and responsive.0 -
Whoever it is is much better at journalism than the unionist rags.TGOHF said:
I think one of the key things learned from the Thomson affair are that most of these Yesser entities like "business for Scotland" and "Lawyers for Yes" are controlled by the SNP heidyins - wonder who handles Stu ?Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.0 -
You are being silly.Casino_Royale said:
Because George Osborne is enthusiastically partisan and finds it fun.Sean_F said:
I had this discussion with a Corbyn supporter on another site. He agreed it was unlikely that Corbyn could win an election, but felt economic policy had moved too far right, and Corbyn could shift the consensus leftwards.Casino_Royale said:
Absolutely. That's precisely why I didn't cheer on Tories who thought it was amusing to register to vote for him.Sean_F said:
if the Conservatives do tack Left, then that vindicates the strategy of Corbyn's supporters.Casino_Royale said:
Neither do I. Osborne is using it to play political chess, as he loves to do, and I think is - consciously or otherwise - tacking the party to the Left.DavidL said:
We see in Japan, for example, that this does not lead to good government. That is why I don't find the self destruction of Labour, as evidenced by the thread header, at all funny.Sean_F said:
Alternatively, in the absence of any real opposition, the Conservatives stay in office for decades, gradually becoming corrupt and incompetent, as hegemonic political parties tend to.david_herdson said:
I agree with that analysis. Indeed, I'd go further. I'd argue that if Labour succumbs to prolonged Corbynitis, whether under him or another far-left leader, they *won't* be the other main party. The electorate will give them this parliament as an indulgence but will expect them to come to their senses after another defeat. If they don't, expect either UKIP or the Lib Dems, possibly bolstered by an SDP2, to start making serious running.AndyJS said:One theory to explain Pullinger´s comments goes something like this: since the UK isn´t a one party state, the Labour Party are going to get back into power eventually and so it´s worth having Corbyn as leader even if he loses an election or two en route to eventual victory. The only problem with this analysis is that it assumes Labour will continue to be one of the main two parties no matter what happens.
Things can change quickly. They don't often. Snip
That's a high-risk strategy for his future leadership ambitions.
Incidentally, I'm befuddled why Osborne can't see this. Politics isn't a game.
A win is a win. The Conservatives have an effective majority of 30 or so (given the way Douglas Carswell and unionists will usually vote). Why move onto Labour's territory just to get a bigger majority?0 -
Mike said:
The message is that to members of the Corbyn cult politics is not about striving to gain power but about controlling the party and the Labour movement in general.
I fail to understand why Mike has trouble understanding this. This is what the hard left do. We all know of Stalin's purges, Mao's purges, Pohl Pot's purges, etc, etc. This is Labour's purge of the ideologically impure.
...
The insularity is staggering.
The right hard often are religious and so are the hard left except their religion is a secular one. Like all religions it does not tolerate dissent, heresy, apostasy or any belief contrary to its core message.
"Come the revolution, you will be the first against the wall" is practically a standard joke about the hard left and it works because it has some truth at its core.
What I am wondering is what the SDP will call themselves this time round. 1983 here we come....
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Thanks. I always know I've won the argument when you resort to your modus operandi of personal insults that you think you can obscure by 'clever' sarcasm.Theuniondivvie said:
If there's anything more convincing than aCasino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
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Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.
PB ToryorkipperdependinghowreactionaryImfeeling telling himself that his favoured echo chamber is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines, I want to know what it is. Old chap.
But it does beg the question: if you don't like it, why are you here?0 -
My understanding is solicitors have a Duty of Care to advise their client of any unfair or questionable aspects of the transaction. This could include unfair terms in deeds, articles, covenants or the price which has been agreed. IANAL so I'm open to correction of the likes of DavidL has an opinion.Charles said:
It may be different in Scotland, but solicitors don't advise on price in EnglandDair said:
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.0 -
He is a turnip of the first order, a pompous halfwit.Dair said:
You must be filled with regret that all these people only get one vote each.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
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Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.0 -
Not really. Why do you say that?Dair said:
You must be filled with regret that all these people only get one vote each.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
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Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.0 -
What was that for and when?TCPoliticalBetting said:
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-brand-tories-lib-45161690 -
OGH says
"The message is that to members of the Corbyn cult politics is not about striving to gain power but about controlling the party and the Labour movement in general."
On the bright but tarnished side OGH, it might make betting simpler albeit less potentially rewarding.0 -
I know you are really dense Watford. Even a cretin should be able to work out that it is the person selling that is responsible, did they have a gun to their head when they signed up.watford30 said:
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.0 -
Two gobshires talking to each other is no guarantee of rational debate.Dair said:
It is bizarre to see TGOHF, ScottP, flightpath, Carlotta, etc all screaming out in their desire for a socialist utopia where all decisions are overseen by government.malcolmg said:
You want laws passed so that people are unable to freely sell their assets turnip head.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
What a bizarre world they seem to want. Bunch of nasty, insular, little Trots.
Which side of the road do you drive on? Would you like us all to make our own mind up on a whim?
Since when should swindling be facilitated by bizarre house purchase rules?0 -
You were pretty clear that you hold a higher value to the "esteemed journalists and senior politicians" which you believe read this site in higher numbers than Wings (without any evidence).Casino_Royale said:
Not really. Why do you say that?Dair said:
You must be filled with regret that all these people only get one vote each.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
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Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.
Sadly, for you, Wings is likely to be the third most popular media source in Scotland, behind only the Sun and Record. This gives them a lot of clout and their argument far more weight, regardless of what "quality" you claim of their readership.
They all get one vote.0 -
Charles , waste of time expecting it to know the differenceCharles said:
I never buy cheap houses. Just houses cheap...watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.0 -
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"malcolmg said:Even a cretin should be able to work out that it is the person selling that is responsible, did they have a gun to their head when they signed up.
Ummm...0 -
Ah thanks for that... another c word.TGOHF said:
It was purely coincidence that 17 out of 17 cases sited involved this Nat woman's firm.flightpath01 said:
Collusion and conspiracy?Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
Please do keep up the good work. What a crass fool you are making yourself look.0 -
What was that for and when?TCPoliticalBetting said:
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
Policing costs for LibDem conferences0 -
I think the EU renegotiation would have to recognise what competenxies were subject to a reversible opt-in, or surrendered opt-outs: that should include justice, foreign policy, rights, policing, criminal law, migration and social law.Charles said:
I thought your point was on previous EU opt-outs, not the ECJCasino_Royale said:
Why should our partners care whether we're in the ECJ rulings, charter of fundamental rights, or the EAW?Charles said:
I don't think that's possible, though.Casino_Royale said:
The key EU reform that Cameron should have focussed IMHO on is the ability to reverse previous EU opt-ins taken by previous UK governments. I.e. A UK Parliament cannot bind its successor by ceding powers for good, and re opt-outs are possible.rcs1000 said:
You do know that it is perfectly possible to be a member of the ECJ without being a member of the EU (as Switzerland is), and to be a member of the EU without being subject to ECJ rulings (as we were before Labour changed things), don't you?blackburn63 said:
Stay in the EU anyone?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
If he'd got that, practical threshold limits for free movement, as well as protections for the UK as a non-eurozone member within a reformed single market, then there might be a renegotiation to sell.
In theory a Parliament can always repudiate a Treaty, so they are not bound. But I can't see that a hokey-cokey approach to the EU would be appealing to our partners.
People should be allowed to change their minds as circumstances dictate. It would also make the EU more democratic and responsive.
I agree that if we remain a member we can't cherry pick the single market. But if that too had safeguards against the eurozone outvoting us, we'd have a deal for the long term IMHO.
Otherwise I think it is inevitable we will leave.0 -
Yet all pretend to be frothersDair said:
It is bizarre to see TGOHF, ScottP, flightpath, Carlotta, etc all screaming out in their desire for a socialist utopia where all decisions are overseen by government.malcolmg said:
You want laws passed so that people are unable to freely sell their assets turnip head.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
What a bizarre world they seem to want. Bunch of nasty, insular, little Trots.0 -
Why are people being cynical about himMortimer said:
Because a small win is easier to overturn. A larger win is more difficult.Sean_F said:
I had this discussion with a Corbyn supporter on another site. He agreed it was unlikely that Corbyn could win an election, but felt economic policy had moved too far right, and Corbyn could shift the consensus leftwards.
A win is a win. The Conservatives have an effective majority of 30 or so (given the way Douglas Carswell and unionists will usually vote). Why move onto Labour's territory just to get a bigger majority?
Getting more votes, especially when it is in the right places to win more seats, whilst at the same time reducing the role of the state in people's lives, would be a wonderful achievement. It would allow this country and its people to prosper.
*setting measures in place that aim to keep his party in power
*moving leftwards in some areas because an opportunity arises and where he sees an overlap with his party's own interests.
Why move into Labour territory - because it works and because he thinks its a real opportunity.
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I'm not aware of any marketplace in "which side of the road to drive on".flightpath01 said:
Two gobshires talking to each other is no guarantee of rational debate.Dair said:
It is bizarre to see TGOHF, ScottP, flightpath, Carlotta, etc all screaming out in their desire for a socialist utopia where all decisions are overseen by government.malcolmg said:
You want laws passed so that people are unable to freely sell their assets turnip head.flightpath01 said:
Is no one querying why Scottish law seems so weak on this?Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
What a bizarre world they seem to want. Bunch of nasty, insular, little Trots.
Which side of the road do you drive on? Would you like us all to make our own mind up on a whim?
Since when should swindling be facilitated by bizarre house purchase rules?
Clearly there is a market for the sale of houses. You seem to want a highly controlled, nanny-state run market where agency is removed from both vendor and buyer.
That might work in the socialist paradise you pine for, personally I'd prefer to leave the market to decide how things work.0 -
It should be patently obvious Mr Gobshite that you are the blind bigoted 'loyalist'. You will be starting a Lost Cause movement next.Dair said:Global rankings. For non-MSM Loyalist media sources ;-
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Someone who uses the term 'dickstain' probably shouldn't whine about personal insults.Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I always know I've won the argument when you resort to your modus operandi of personal insults that you think you can obscure by 'clever' sarcasm.Theuniondivvie said:
If there's anything more convincing than aCasino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
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Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.
PB ToryorkipperdependinghowreactionaryImfeeling telling himself that his favoured echo chamber is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines, I want to know what it is. Old chap.
But it does beg the question: if you don't like it, why are you here?
As to your question, unlike you I prefer not to have variations of my own views prated back at me, and not everyone on here is a pompous hypocrite.0 -
The leaks suggest that we might officially get "Associate member" status. If that means anything at all beyond posturing, it means a bunch of opt outs in the political union bits.Charles said:
I don't think that's possible, though.Casino_Royale said:
The key EU reform that Cameron should have focussed IMHO on is the ability to reverse previous EU opt-ins taken by previous UK governments. I.e. A UK Parliament cannot bind its successor by ceding powers for good, and re opt-outs are possible.rcs1000 said:
You do know that it is perfectly possible to be a member of the ECJ without being a member of the EU (as Switzerland is), and to be a member of the EU without being subject to ECJ rulings (as we were before Labour changed things), don't you?blackburn63 said:
Stay in the EU anyone?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
If he'd got that, practical threshold limits for free movement, as well as protections for the UK as a non-eurozone member within a reformed single market, then there might be a renegotiation to sell.
In theory a Parliament can always repudiate a Treaty, so they are not bound. But I can't see that a hokey-cokey approach to the EU would be appealing to our partners.0 -
My first duty would be to ensure the client understood the terms of the transaction, including any terms which might be worth highlighting by virtue of them being non-standard practice. But it would always be for the client, once properly informed, to take a massive loss if they wanted to.Dair said:
My understanding is solicitors have a Duty of Care to advise their client of any unfair or questionable aspects of the transaction. This could include unfair terms in deeds, articles, covenants or the price which has been agreed. IANAL so I'm open to correction of the likes of DavidL has an opinion.Charles said:
It may be different in Scotland, but solicitors don't advise on price in EnglandDair said:
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.
Other duties could come in if you suspected something which was not merely bad commercial practice but was in fact illegal.0 -
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-brand-tories-lib-4516169Dair said:
What was that for and when?TCPoliticalBetting said:
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
Thank you. So the difference is that in England & Wales the Home Office (for England & Wales) pays such bills but in Scotland the Scottish Govt chooses not to pay these bills although police are a devolved matter. Presumably the SNP is always sent a bill which it always pays for all its Conferences.
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Well you can concede the argument by resorting to petty insults if you want.flightpath01 said:
It should be patently obvious Mr Gobshite that you are the blind bigoted 'loyalist'. You will be starting a Lost Cause movement next.Dair said:Global rankings. For non-MSM Loyalist media sources ;-
labourhame.com 5,829,640
chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk 5,575,519
Meanwhile, I'll relax, confident in the knowledge that the truth of the need for Scottish Independence is getting a much wider airing than the Loyalist lies trying to pollute the debate. The problem is that your lies get exposed, your support is on a one way trajectory and Independence is the only outcome.
Tick tock.0 -
Nah - they were just dying of cancer.malcolmg said:
I know you are really dense Watford. Even a cretin should be able to work out that it is the person selling that is responsible, did they have a gun to their head when they signed up.watford30 said:
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.
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That is not what the frothers on here, yourself included are on about. She is now out of the SNP. Whilst not great as long as it is in the law then her purchasing property that sellers are willing to sell at a low price is just everyday business. It happens with every type of business.Scott_P said:
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"malcolmg said:Even a cretin should be able to work out that it is the person selling that is responsible, did they have a gun to their head when they signed up.
Ummm...
Do you never purchase anything at a sale price in case you are robbing the owner , you insist you pay list price for a car , etc etc etc .
Hypocrisy by the dim frothers on here , guaranteed to all be rapacious gits who would take cash off their grandmothers, is breathtaking.0 -
Not sure if this has been answered for you Carlotta but yes, prisoners on remand can still vote.CarlottaVance said:
In the UK can prisoners on remand vote?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
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No, I just think this is a higher quality site. You get excellent insight debates here right across the political spectrum that matches the best on the Internet. The betting tips and analysis is so well thought through and considered that it is broadly requoted amongst the press, opinion pollsters and bookmakers. Cameron has admitted he reads it too - although I suspect not regularly - and party campaign HQs regularly do.Dair said:
You were pretty clear that you hold a higher value to the "esteemed journalists and senior politicians" which you believe read this site in higher numbers than Wings (without any evidence).Casino_Royale said:
Not really. Why do you say that?Dair said:
You must be filled with regret that all these people only get one vote each.Casino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
How popular is wingsoverscotland.com?
Global Rank
52,149
Rank in United Kingdom
1,806
How popular is politicalbetting.com?
Global Rank
205,286
Rank in United Kingdom
5,561
Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.
Sadly, for you, Wings is likely to be the third most popular media source in Scotland, behind only the Sun and Record. This gives them a lot of clout and their argument far more weight, regardless of what "quality" you claim of their readership.
They all get one vote.
Is it a minority taste for the general public? Absolutely, which is why other blogs get many more views - but that doesn't mean they are more influential.0 -
Ooh - she's on at 11:15 DT live
In a controversial move, the Home Secretary will this morning say that the “net economic and fiscal effect of high immigration is close to zero”.
“The evidence – from the OECD, the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee and many academics – shows that while there are benefits of selective and controlled immigration, at best the net economic and fiscal effect of high immigration is close to zero. So there is no case, in the national interest, for immigration of the scale we have experienced over the last decade.”0 -
The Lib Dems were a major party for a number of years with a mainly right-wing vote, despite having left-wing voting records.SouthamObserver said:
That's not what the voting record of UKIP's MP suggests.GeoffM said:
So are most of UKIPs recent economic policies.SouthamObserver said:UKIP's challenge in becoming a major party is that at least 40% of the British electorate are firmly centre left.
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Policing costs for LibDem conferencesmalcolmg said:
What was that for and when?TCPoliticalBetting said:
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
The funny thing was that the Lib Dems went for a Scottish conference two years in a row (I believe) to shore up their Scottish vote and retained no mainland Scottish seats. If they had picked other places it might have actually saved a seat or two. It also drove down attendance numbers because of the distance and costs involved for most of their activists. This year it was back to the south coat - a wise move.
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Exactly , they wanted cash quick and were happy to sign up for a low price, just standard business. I have never heard of anybody coming back and saying to someone , look I made a profit on that property you sold me and would like to give it all to you as I paid too little for it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
My first duty would be to ensure the client understood the terms of the transaction, including any terms which might be worth highlighting by virtue of them being non-standard practice. But it would always be for the client, once properly informed, to take a massive loss if they wanted to.Dair said:
My understanding is solicitors have a Duty of Care to advise their client of any unfair or questionable aspects of the transaction. This could include unfair terms in deeds, articles, covenants or the price which has been agreed. IANAL so I'm open to correction of the likes of DavidL has an opinion.Charles said:
It may be different in Scotland, but solicitors don't advise on price in EnglandDair said:
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.
Other duties could come in if you suspected something which was not merely bad commercial practice but was in fact illegal.
There will always be a Tory with cash around when someone is forced to sell low as they need cash quick , such is life and both win in the transaction. Hence the old saying "money goes to money".0 -
If the net economic effect of all immigration is close to zero, it stands to reason that skilled immigration must be a positive and unskilled immigration must be a negative. Especially when some groups only have a quarter of their working age population in work.Plato_Says said:Ooh - she's on at 11:15 DT live
In a controversial move, the Home Secretary will this morning say that the “net economic and fiscal effect of high immigration is close to zero”.
“The evidence – from the OECD, the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee and many academics – shows that while there are benefits of selective and controlled immigration, at best the net economic and fiscal effect of high immigration is close to zero. So there is no case, in the national interest, for immigration of the scale we have experienced over the last decade.”0 -
LOL, you have a link and story of timelines of sale to death???TGOHF said:
Nah - they were just dying of cancer.malcolmg said:
I know you are really dense Watford. Even a cretin should be able to work out that it is the person selling that is responsible, did they have a gun to their head when they signed up.watford30 said:
Aw, and now it's all the lawyers' fault that the wee little homeowner is being fleeced by Scottish property spiv politicians.Dair said:
Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.watford30 said:
Well there's cheap, and there's 'so cheap, the seller is clearly being ripped off, as someone takes advantage of them, subsequently generating a huge profit in a back to back property deal'.Scott_P said:
It looks like there may be several others in the 55 and beyond who have benefitted from property transactions. The line overnight has been "It's not immoral to buy cheap houses"antifrank said:I see today's SNP line to take is to defend Michelle Thomson. A couple of days ago she had been consigned to the outer darkness.
Presumably she knows something inconvenient.
It's immoral.0 -
The Left has a death wish Mike They have nothing serious to say on any major issue facing Britain and they know it. All they can do is to spit and hurl abuse at others who have won the argument. It is the attitude of the football fan who has just seen his beaten team concede a sixth goal. As Dan Hodges has written today they are heading for oblivion. Adonis will be the first of many who will drift away from a cult that is now more interested in street protest than preparing for power0
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In Scotland, 'There will always be an SNP politician with cash around and a bent lawyer, when a cancer sufferer is forced to sell too low as they need cash quick'.malcolmg said:
Exactly , they wanted cash quick and were happy to sign up for a low price, just standard business. I have never heard of anybody coming back and saying to someone , look I made a profit on that property you sold me and would like to give it all to you as I paid too little for it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
My first duty would be to ensure the client understood the terms of the transaction, including any terms which might be worth highlighting by virtue of them being non-standard practice. But it would always be for the client, once properly informed, to take a massive loss if they wanted to.Dair said:
My understanding is solicitors have a Duty of Care to advise their client of any unfair or questionable aspects of the transaction. This could include unfair terms in deeds, articles, covenants or the price which has been agreed. IANAL so I'm open to correction of the likes of DavidL has an opinion.Charles said:
It may be different in Scotland, but solicitors don't advise on price in EnglandDair said:
You do understand that an individual matter may involve multiple issues, right?Scott_P said:
I did wonder how Dair was going to row back from this commentDair said:Which is a matter for the vendors solicitor not for the buyer.
"Having a candidate involved in distress purchase property market doesn't fit in with the SNP. That's the story but it's not being told to the public"
Thomson's involvement in distress purchase is still reason the SNP should boot her.
Any actionable questions over the price paid is not a matter for Thomson but for the seller's solicitor.
Different issues.
Other duties could come in if you suspected something which was not merely bad commercial practice but was in fact illegal.
There will always be a Tory with cash around when someone is forced to sell low as they need cash quick , such is life and both win in the transaction. Hence the old saying "money goes to money".0 -
Is this Michelle woman a tory..MG seems to think she is..that girl flits about a bit...SNP yesterday.. Tory today..0
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Will "business for Scotland" be brought back from the dead for Indyref 2 ?
Answers on a mortgage application form...0 -
Thank you.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure if this has been answered for you Carlotta but yes, prisoners on remand can still vote.CarlottaVance said:
In the UK can prisoners on remand vote?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
So we already have different classes of prisoners, some with, some without voting rights.
The ECR's problem is?0 -
There are certainly good debates and discussions on occasion.Casino_Royale said:
No, I just think this is a higher quality site. You get excellent insight debates here right across the political spectrum that matches the best on the Internet. The betting tips and analysis is so well thought through and considered that it is broadly requoted amongst the press, opinion pollsters and bookmakers. Cameron has admitted he reads it too - although I suspect not regularly - and party campaign HQs regularly do.
Is it a minority taste for the general public? Absolutely, which is why other blogs get many more views - but that doesn't mean they are more influential.
But it is also chock full of partisan nonsense as is well demonstrated by ScottP in this thread, with his deliberate misquoting and refusal to openly understand that a single matter might involve more than one specific issue.
I'd also add, from what you say you see this site (and Wings) as sources where their influence with the media matters.
That is old hat. This IS the media nowadays and the breadth of audience is what matters, not the narrow view of which MSM heavyweights might be influenced.0 -
Thank you. So the difference is that in England & Wales the Home Office (for England & Wales) pays such bills but in Scotland the Scottish Govt chooses not to pay these bills although police are a devolved matter. Presumably the SNP is always sent a bill which it always pays for all its Conferences.TCPoliticalBetting said:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-brand-tories-lib-4516169Dair said:
What was that for and when?TCPoliticalBetting said:
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
Only ever seen complaints about the Libdems, Police have never ever mentioned any other party.
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And that's exactly how you operate: you seek to provoke a personal response, which you can then condemn to paint yourself as a victim and dismiss your opponent, and you never forgot to requote - keeping it in your pocket - for whenever you're on the back foot.Theuniondivvie said:
Someone who uses the term 'dickstain' probably shouldn't whine about personal insults.Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. I always know I've won the argument when you resort to your modus operandi of personal insults that you think you can obscure by 'clever' sarcasm.Theuniondivvie said:
If there's anything more convincing than aCasino_Royale said:
Not sure what that tells us. Pb.com gets several thousands views a day, is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines.Theuniondivvie said:
You do evidently.TGOHF said:
People still read the Rev Batshit ?malcolmg said:I see the unionist press are tying themselves in knots , they even find it hard to copy each others tall tales correctly. Their smearing appears to be unraveling.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/
Must be all the plastic Jocks, bigots, SNPouters and MI5 that are artificially inflating his rankings.
Alexa.
Wingsoverscotland may well get tens of thousands of views each day from believers but is ignored by virtually everyone else as an online Daily Mirror for nationalists.
Quality over quantity old chap.
PB ToryorkipperdependinghowreactionaryImfeeling telling himself that his favoured echo chamber is read by leading journalists, senior politicians (including our PM) and is highly influential in shaping narrative across party lines, I want to know what it is. Old chap.
But it does beg the question: if you don't like it, why are you here?
As to your question, unlike you I prefer not to have variations of my own views prated back at me, and not everyone on here is a pompous hypocrite.
In the case of that particular example you said, "oh dear, I think I hear a 'dickstain' coming on' in reply to a perfectly reasonable point I made and then I responded 'no, I've got a long way to go to reach your level'. I've also used that (once) to respond to Malcolmg's reflexive abuse. I can let my frustration boil over on occassion, and I shouldn't.
Did I rise to the bait? Absolutely, and I shouldn't have done so; I let myself down and gave you an excuse. But that doesn't abrogate any of the dirty tactics you use above, does lose me respect for you and does make it far less likely for your posts to be received and read objectively in future.0 -
Been catching up with US Democrat news. Looks like Biden is close to declaring. Maybe even this coming weekend if news reports are to be believed. I think he's going to run. I have bet accordingly.0
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Only ever seen complaints about the Libdems, Police have never ever mentioned any other party.malcolmg said:
Thank you. So the difference is that in England & Wales the Home Office (for England & Wales) pays such bills but in Scotland the Scottish Govt chooses not to pay these bills although police are a devolved matter. Presumably the SNP is always sent a bill which it always pays for all its Conferences.TCPoliticalBetting said:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-brand-tories-lib-4516169Dair said:
What was that for and when?TCPoliticalBetting said:
They still owe Police Scotland £800k.Dair said:
Do the Lib Dems have any money?Jonathan said:
12 -15 seats would be a reasonable target. The Lib Dems were absolutely swept away in the South West.Sean_F said:
They're regrouping and reorganising, as will become clearer when 2020 approaches. It's obviously very early for predictions, but I suspect a lot of yellow/blue marginals may swing yellow again.Ghedebrav said:
The Lib Dems are the worst offenders for this today. We've just had a LibDem conference that told us how proud they were of their role in the coalition.Jonathan said:The insularity is staggering. Mike Smithson
The electorate clearly does not agree. They shouted at them "NO!". 8 MPs and their biggest GE catastrophe. This is the biggest reality check possible.
But what do the Lib Dems do? Nothing. They continue to pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how great they are. Beyond insular. They are a Koreshian death cult.
There are unpopular policies, for one thing (the junior doctor thing is a good example of something damaging to the John Lewis vote, though it's likely to have been forgotten by then), but more importantly the quality of some of the new MPs is low.
Additionally - in while in red/yellow marginals, the LDs were being punished for their coalition role, the loss of the seats to the SNP was part of a broader movement, and the losses to Tories were more about 'stop Ed'.
The days of 40-60 seats are long gone now for the Libs, but 15-20 is a reasonable target (for 2025; any increase on 8 will be good in 2020).
PS: When was the Home Office changed to be just England and Wales
Q: When was the Home Office changed to be just England and Wales
A: When funding police attendance at such events. Scotland had this money and responsibility devolved according to the article.0 -
I don't deny that Wings is a representative voice of the nationalist activist base - and that is absolutely worthy of reporting. I do query how objective and balanced it is in its reporting, which makes me sceptical of any links posted on here to it. By contrast, I think pb.com is commendably objective in its analysis - and it has to be, because it is a betting site. You yourself have posted one or two valuable tips on here that I have profited from, and it's positive that we both agree on the value of the site in its debates and discussions.Dair said:
There are certainly good debates and discussions on occasion.Casino_Royale said:
No, I just think this is a higher quality site. You get excellent insight debates here right across the political spectrum that matches the best on the Internet. The betting tips and analysis is so well thought through and considered that it is broadly requoted amongst the press, opinion pollsters and bookmakers. Cameron has admitted he reads it too - although I suspect not regularly - and party campaign HQs regularly do.
Is it a minority taste for the general public? Absolutely, which is why other blogs get many more views - but that doesn't mean they are more influential.
But it is also chock full of partisan nonsense as is well demonstrated by ScottP in this thread, with his deliberate misquoting and refusal to openly understand that a single matter might involve more than one specific issue.
I'd also add, from what you say you see this site (and Wings) as sources where their influence with the media matters.
That is old hat. This IS the media nowadays and the breadth of audience is what matters, not the narrow view of which MSM heavyweights might be influenced.
It thus commands broader influence as a reference source. I am not trying to make an elitist point.0 -
TCPB..There should be a refund from the Police in Manchester..0
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Your level of respect for me is something you really shouldn't worry about.Casino_Royale said:
And that's exactly how you operate: you seek to provoke a personal response, which you can then condemn to paint yourself as a victim and dismiss your opponent, and you never forgot to requote - keeping it in your pocket - for whenever you're on the back foot.
In the case of that particular example you said, "oh dear, I think I hear a 'dickstain' coming on' in reply to a perfectly reasonable point I made and then I responded 'no, I've got a long way to go to reach your level'. I've also used that (once) to respond to Malcolmg's reflexive abuse. I can let my frustration boil over on occassion, and I shouldn't.
Did I rise to the bait? Absolutely, and I shouldn't have done so; I let myself down and gave you an excuse. But that doesn't abrogate any of the dirty tactics you use above, does lose me respect for you and does make it far less likely for your posts to be received and read objectively in future.0 -
@HTScotPol: Breaking: DF Concerts had record pre-tax profit of £6.24m in 2014, before it got £150k for TiTP - and SG knew it http://t.co/kNv46jwGhV0
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Policing a conference looked like easy enough work & possibly overtime so far as I could tellrichardDodd said:TCPB..There should be a refund from the Police in Manchester..
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One big example of the gap was on Europe. For years circa 40%+ of the LD voters were eurosceptic yet they were the most europhile party. Their voters barely registered this fact until we had the Clegg vs Farage debates when Clegg went out of his way to set out how much he loved the EC. At the EC elections the LD vote plummeted and left them with just 1 MEP. The LD activists thought it a good idea.....JEO said:
The Lib Dems were a major party for a number of years with a mainly right-wing vote, despite having left-wing voting records.SouthamObserver said:
That's not what the voting record of UKIP's MP suggests.GeoffM said:
So are most of UKIPs recent economic policies.SouthamObserver said:UKIP's challenge in becoming a major party is that at least 40% of the British electorate are firmly centre left.
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Charming.Theuniondivvie said:
Your level of respect for me is something you really shouldn't worry about.Casino_Royale said:
And that's exactly how you operate: you seek to provoke a personal response, which you can then condemn to paint yourself as a victim and dismiss your opponent, and you never forgot to requote - keeping it in your pocket - for whenever you're on the back foot.
In the case of that particular example you said, "oh dear, I think I hear a 'dickstain' coming on' in reply to a perfectly reasonable point I made and then I responded 'no, I've got a long way to go to reach your level'. I've also used that (once) to respond to Malcolmg's reflexive abuse. I can let my frustration boil over on occassion, and I shouldn't.
Did I rise to the bait? Absolutely, and I shouldn't have done so; I let myself down and gave you an excuse. But that doesn't abrogate any of the dirty tactics you use above, does lose me respect for you and does make it far less likely for your posts to be received and read objectively in future.0 -
And that proposal is directly counter to the concept of ever closer union, so I don't think it would fly. Now that might be a good reason for you to vote OUT, but it's a little harsh to set Cameron a target that is unachievable and then lambast him when he fails to deliver.Casino_Royale said:
I think the EU renegotiation would have to recognise what competenxies were subject to a reversible opt-in, or surrendered opt-outs: that should include justice, foreign policy, rights, policing, criminal law, migration and social law.Charles said:
I thought your point was on previous EU opt-outs, not the ECJCasino_Royale said:
Why should our partners care whether we're in the ECJ rulings, charter of fundamental rights, or the EAW?Charles said:
I don't think that's possible, though.Casino_Royale said:
The key EU reform that Cameron should have focussed IMHO on is the ability to reverse previous EU opt-ins taken by previous UK governments. I.e. A UK Parliament cannot bind its successor by ceding powers for good, and re opt-outs are possible.rcs1000 said:
You do know that it is perfectly possible to be a member of the ECJ without being a member of the EU (as Switzerland is), and to be a member of the EU without being subject to ECJ rulings (as we were before Labour changed things), don't you?blackburn63 said:
Stay in the EU anyone?antifrank said:Voting rights for prisoners, part 94:
@BrunoBrussels: ECJ rules that voting bans are 'possible' for people 'convicted of a serious crime' http://t.co/iYPopIVScK
What a complete horlicks this is becoming.
If he'd got that, practical threshold limits for free movement, as well as protections for the UK as a non-eurozone member within a reformed single market, then there might be a renegotiation to sell.
In theory a Parliament can always repudiate a Treaty, so they are not bound. But I can't see that a hokey-cokey approach to the EU would be appealing to our partners.
People should be allowed to change their minds as circumstances dictate. It would also make the EU more democratic and responsive.
I agree that if we remain a member we can't cherry pick the single market. But if that too had safeguards against the eurozone outvoting us, we'd have a deal for the long term IMHO.
Otherwise I think it is inevitable we will leave.0
