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“…Mr Cobryn was confronted about his links to Dyab Abou Jahjah, an alleged former fighter for Hezbollah with whom he shared a platform, on BBC Radio Four’s World at One.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    edited August 2015
    Chris Terry is right - the self control CCHQ are currently engaging is Herculean
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    "Wait until CCHQ goes hog wild after September 12th"

    That would be a tactical mistake - surely there are better times to notch up the pain?

    For now, best to watch and wait. And most of all, collate.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Please let them vote Corby in. Pretty please with whipped cream, a cherry and even those hundreds and thousands on top....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    MyBurningEars said:

    "Wait until CCHQ goes hog wild after September 12th"

    That would be a tactical mistake - surely there are better times to notch up the pain?

    For now, best to watch and wait. And most of all, collate.

    Whatever happens, the Tories will be able to say Labour are only a few votes away from a hard left takeover.

    Would you let Labour anywhere near the levers of power, if someone like Corbyn can/comes close to winning the Labour leadership
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory

    @benrileysmith : Corbyn's camp have retracted statement confirming he lobbied Home Office on Jahjah. Seems there was mix up their end. Tweets deleted.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Is there anything they have not linked to Corbyn's support for the Palestinian cause (or going back decades to the Irish question in which hindsight proved his approach correct)? The Tories have funded countless groups that have actually killed UK troops.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Houston, we have a problem:

    "Ashley Madison data dump exposes hundreds of public servants in sensitive positions
    Details of British civil servants, Ministry of Defence staff and banking workers leaked in adultery website hack"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11813318/Ashley-Madison-data-dump-exposes-hundreds-of-public-servants-in-sensitive-positions.html
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    I reckon James McClean will endorse Corbyn at this rate
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Heh, it gets better and better

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/634100641481146368
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Abou means "father of" so is this fellow the father of JahJah Binks? If so then we do not want that sort in the country.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    Sorry to go on about CiF but really..

    Jezza + Russell + an Israel/Palestine thread all in one place; if the Graun hasn't hiked advertising rates by 50% someone is asleep at the wheel.

    As for Jezza? He sounded sincere today (it will no doubt emerge how sincere) but his "my enemy's enemy is my friend" strategy is coming back to haunt him. As of course it was always going to.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    Hic!,
    £29.841375

    'Goldmann Suchs!': A drunken typo brings - eventually - the world to normality! Is Junior to throw another £500 on the barbie...?

    :fatjugs-rulez:
    :repost-from-earlier:
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited August 2015
    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    edited August 2015
    FPT
    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    Harriet Harman is about 5 feet 11 inches tall. I don't know whether any women MPs have hit the six feet mark. IIRC Joan Hall, Tory MP for Keighley in 1970, was fairly tall although I can't remember the figure.

    Antoinette Sandbach is 6 foot 5:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoinette_Sandbach
    That is a seriously great name. I hope she and Thangam Debbonaire form an unlikely duo of some sort. A shame Annunziata Rees-Mogg wasn't elected in 2010.
    The_Apocalypse said:

    You know, looking at the last thread I'd like to ask what is a 'nonsense' degree re universities. Personally, I think @JEO hit the nail on the head. The Top 50 unis as a whole, are fine: but unis like London Met....no.

    50? Phew, mine is still just creeping into the top 20, yay.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    This is the best August ever for politics fans. Great entertainment value.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    ThomasNashe said:


    Me! I've voted Labour in every GE since 1983, though I can say now I wouldn't vote Labour for a Corbyn-led Labour party in 2020.

    Hmm, that sounds like a secret Tory to me - you'd be surprised how easily you could be Tory and not even know it.
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    edited August 2015
    Dunno if this has been posted, but the Daily Record endorsed JC yesterday. Are they the only paper to do so?
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    This is all too late isn;t it? Corbyn will win, this might make it narrow

    Chaos and retributions, recriminations and deeply damaging splits will follow.

    What on earth are Labour doing? With the economy looking shaky, if China goes t1ts up the government will be in trouble in a year or so, but will face a hopelessly divided opposition.

    LDs could yet do a Lazarus at this rate...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    I am sure there is a saying about dogs and fleas. Just can't quite bring it to mind.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited August 2015
    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

    He hasn't just met them. He's described them as his friends, and one as an honoured citizen. You can keep on claiming that he "just" met them, but I'll keep on correcting you.

    And I'm sure Hamas and Hezbollah are big fans of liberal democratic values.

    Jezbollah is going to be the most anti-Western leader any major party in the UK has even chosen.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    Time for a late twist in the contest, or too much momentum to be reversed? Probably the latter, but please Corbyn fans, don't pretend extra scrutiny, even manufactured outrage from enemies in the press, is unusual or unfair. It's called politics.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    I sympathise a bit for Jezza. He never wanted to be a Labour leader- he was a serial Trot, contrary, maverick that never grew up who simply could carry on relatively icognito as a lefty Islington MP. No one knew him a month ago.

    Then it was his turn to go for the lost of all causes- the Labour leadership- and for a variety of well rehearsed reasons, he sets the thing alight.

    It would be a bit like me, coming out of my comfy, lefty, critical role in Florence and being thrust into the world of UK politics. No fluffinn way. For a start there all the incendiary comments that I have posted here just to wind up Tories.

    Jezza- for pities sake. It's been a good journey, but you need comrade a way out. And sharpish.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    kle4 said:

    Time for a late twist in the contest, or too much momentum to be reversed? Probably the latter, but please Corbyn fans, don't pretend extra scrutiny, even manufactured outrage from enemies in the press, is unusual or unfair. It's called politics.

    the did he/didn't he lobby the home office thing could be the end of Jezza. As ever, not the action, but the cover up. But it is none too clear what his line is.

    Meeting and sympathising with violent, anti-western thugs is surely just Jeremy being Jeremy. Lying about it, however...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    kle4 said:

    Time for a late twist in the contest, or too much momentum to be reversed? Probably the latter, but please Corbyn fans, don't pretend extra scrutiny, even manufactured outrage from enemies in the press, is unusual or unfair. It's called politics.

    These sort of delusional fantasists don't normally get close scrutiny because we all frankly have better things to do with our time. They don't often get near the leadership of what was a major political party either.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    JEO said:

    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

    He hasn't just met them. He's described them as his friends, and one as an honoured citizen. You can keep on claiming that he "just" met them, but I'll keep on correcting you.

    And I'm sure Hamas and Hezbollah are big fans of liberal democratic values.

    Jezbollah is going to be the most anti-Western leader any major party in the UK has even chosen.
    Let JWisemann prattle on.

    If they can't see how their view differs from 99% of the population, then little will ever change their mind.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    Keep drinking the Kool aid...

    "Mr Jahjah told a Flemish magazine: “I consider every dead American, British and Dutch soldier a victory.”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    tyson said:

    I sympathise a bit for Jezza. He never wanted to be a Labour leader- he was a serial Trot, contrary, maverick that never grew up who simply could carry on relatively icognito as a lefty Islington MP. No one knew him a month ago.

    Then it was his turn to go for the lost of all causes- the Labour leadership- and for a variety of well rehearsed reasons, he sets the thing alight.

    It would be a bit like me, coming out of my comfy, lefty, critical role in Florence and being thrust into the world of UK politics. No fluffinn way. For a start there all the incendiary comments that I have posted here just to wind up Tories.

    Jezza- for pities sake. It's been a good journey, but you need comrade a way out. And sharpish.

    You don't think maybe, despite initial surprise at his success, perhaps even anxiety at actually winning something he didn't think was within his grasp, he has started to believe not only could he do this, he should do this? He's certainly riding a crest set in motion barely by him, could he pull out now even if he wanted to?

    I don't know, I think he's crossed a mental barrier and he's now committed to making a go of this.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @JWisemann

    'Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.'


    Stop trying to make excuses for this scumbag.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,321
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Chris Terry is right - the self control CCHQ are currently engaging is Herculean

    In words attributed to Napoleon. “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited August 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MyBurningEars said:

    "Wait until CCHQ goes hog wild after September 12th"

    That would be a tactical mistake - surely there are better times to notch up the pain?

    For now, best to watch and wait. And most of all, collate.

    Whatever happens, the Tories will be able to say Labour are only a few votes away from a hard left takeover.

    Would you let Labour anywhere near the levers of power, if someone like Corbyn can/comes close to winning the Labour leadership
    Well quite, but that only works so long as he's still around.

    No point enforcing his premature ejaculation. Let him stay the course.

    And preferably call an early election if his position's looking a bit jittery. That's when half an ounce of dirt is worth an ounce of gold. There's no value cashing out on the research effort just yet, the exchange rate is nowhere near so good.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Big news of the day IMO:

    "Regierung rechnet mit 800 000 Flüchtlingen"

    http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/fluechtling/bundesregierung-rechnet-mit-ueber-800000-fluechtlingen-bis-jahresende-42246798.bild.html
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    This is why Corbyn will be long gone before 2020. The only question is how much damage he will have done before he departs. The useful idiots have much to answer for. Their eagerness not to see JC for what he is has set Labour back years. And all for the seedy pleasure of an out door wank. Top work Nick and co.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Time for a late twist in the contest, or too much momentum to be reversed? Probably the latter, but please Corbyn fans, don't pretend extra scrutiny, even manufactured outrage from enemies in the press, is unusual or unfair. It's called politics.

    the did he/didn't he lobby the home office thing could be the end of Jezza. As ever, not the action, but the cover up. But it is none too clear what his line is.

    Meeting and sympathising with violent, anti-western thugs is surely just Jeremy being Jeremy. Lying about it, however...
    Yes, a riskier thing, that. Watching him speak the other day I thought that while his style was a bit more 'normal' than our automaton like usual leaders, it really wasn't that pronounced a difference, and he used meaningless cliches with the best of them. When pushing the 'they're different!' message, be it UKIP, SNP or Corbyn, if they can be made to look like more of the same it's riskier than actual policy positions or personal statements being objectionable.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited August 2015
    Just voted. This £3 online system is a piece of cake. Looks like it will be a good turnout.

    LK first then JC, for deputy SC first and TW last. The man makes me feel unclean.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    You can almost picture in your mind GO and his SPADS thinking up all kinds of wizard wheezes
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    edited August 2015
    Jeo

    "Not really, when they are part of the anti-Western alliance and thus the extreme left considers them ideological allies."

    Indeed so hardly 'news'. "Corbyn supports crackpots" wouldn't even trend in the Telegraph.

    Tyson.

    I'm not sure Corbyn is as wise a choice as you (and I) previously thought. That the other 3 are pitiful is a fact. However Corbyn needs to be looked at on his own merits and to think he can't do lasting damage to the left is mistaken.

    His views on the EU mirror those of Farage and IDS. If he forges an alliance with the headbangers on the Tory right the referendum could go horribly wrong.

    The destruction he (and others) caused to Labour in the early '80's when Britain needed a left wing party like they've never needed one before or since shouldn't be forgotten. A vote for Corbyn is NOT a hit to nothing. Too many people have forgotten early Thatcherism and others weren't old enough. Remember the entryism of the early 80's and Corbyn and co's part in it

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,534
    edited August 2015
    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,864
    Tyson - I'm learning a lot more about you from your posts on here this evening. They've changed my opinion of you: not for the better, I'm afraid.

    I wouldn't dream of filtering my friendships or family based upon their political views.

    I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to do so.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

    Well said. !!!!!!'

    Those bloody Tories. They even provided the technology to Darth Vader to build the Death Star. One day those evil Tories will be made to pay in the Galactic Court for their crimes against the universe and laser forking ET's first born.

    Meanwhile Jeremy just chatted to a couple of imaginary friends from Mars.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,740
    It's sick and the Labour Party are a bleeding disgrace for indulging in this. To push the party away from Harman's meek submissiveness to Tory welfare cuts, yes, yes I understand that you want to vote in a way that vetoes it, but not to actually elect the madman.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    No, the most exquisite result is this.

    JC winning every round of voting, except the last one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,534
    DavidL said:

    I am sure there is a saying about dogs and fleas. Just can't quite bring it to mind.

    Flamineo, Webster's The White Devil - "for they that sleep with dogs shall rise with fleas..."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    OchEye said:

    You can almost picture in your mind GO and his SPADS thinking up all kinds of wizard wheezes

    Speaking of, is GO running the country at the moment, with Cameron on holiday?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    No, the most exquisite result is this.

    JC winning every round of voting, except the last one.
    It would be beyond wildest dreams....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    OchEye said:

    You can almost picture in your mind GO and his SPADS thinking up all kinds of wizard wheezes

    Too busy laughing and speculating whether there is anyone left in Labour who knows how to win an election.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    kle4- I think your'e right. I think you've nailed it on the noggin. Over the last month we have witnessed the transformation of a pretty dumb, old boy, oppositional Trot into the worst kind of Blairite ambitious narcissistic, power hungry politico type. It's pretty gruesome to watch.

    The problem is that the people surrounding Corbyn right now are equally ambitious and becoming addicted to power- and the sensible friends he had are probably marginalised.
    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    I sympathise a bit for Jezza. He never wanted to be a Labour leader- he was a serial Trot, contrary, maverick that never grew up who simply could carry on relatively icognito as a lefty Islington MP. No one knew him a month ago.

    Then it was his turn to go for the lost of all causes- the Labour leadership- and for a variety of well rehearsed reasons, he sets the thing alight.

    It would be a bit like me, coming out of my comfy, lefty, critical role in Florence and being thrust into the world of UK politics. No fluffinn way. For a start there all the incendiary comments that I have posted here just to wind up Tories.

    Jezza- for pities sake. It's been a good journey, but you need comrade a way out. And sharpish.

    You don't think maybe, despite initial surprise at his success, perhaps even anxiety at actually winning something he didn't think was within his grasp, he has started to believe not only could he do this, he should do this? He's certainly riding a crest set in motion barely by him, could he pull out now even if he wanted to?

    I don't know, I think he's crossed a mental barrier and he's now committed to making a go of this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,864
    AndyJS said:

    This is the best August ever for politics fans. Great entertainment value.

    A Tory majority, the Lib Dems obliterated, a wholesale SNP takeover of Scotland, UKIP becoming a laughing stock, and Labour self-destructing and on the verge of electing a Trot as leader.

    Who would have predicted any of this a year ago?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    OchEye said:

    You can almost picture in your mind GO and his SPADS thinking up all kinds of wizard wheezes

    It's all been about his Islamic mates - not much on the IRA and nothing on the Falklands...
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    rullko said:

    Dunno if this has been posted, but the Daily Record endorsed JC yesterday. Are they the only paper to do so?

    The Morning Star has.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    MarqueeMark said:

    DavidL said:

    I am sure there is a saying about dogs and fleas. Just can't quite bring it to mind.

    Flamineo, Webster's The White Devil - "for they that sleep with dogs shall rise with fleas..."
    Yes that's it. The Labour Party will be scratching for years after this no matter what the result.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,864
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    No, the most exquisite result is this.

    JC winning every round of voting, except the last one.
    Nah. I want my money. A narrow knife-edge victory please.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Well this is an interesting bit of judicial reasoning

    Divorced women can't claim alimony if they have sex with other men: Madras High Court

    http://bit.ly/1TLYN8x
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    Wiseman- as much as I dearly love your posts and agree with probably everything that you say, enough is enough is enough.
    Corbyn is just not right to be the leader of the Labour party. It doesn't mean I don't like him, or that he is being unduly vilified by all and sundry- it just means that he will get hammered and hammered and hammered again by some of the main agents that dictate elections.
    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    I reckon that Twitter &c may be stupid enough that we could coordinate a campaign to get Russell Brand considered as Labour Party leadership material post Jeremy
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Never met Abou Jahjah? Lebanese extremist claimed Jeremy Corbyn even lobbied Home Sec to overturn his UK ban; http://t.co/ythKAtVvrN
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited August 2015
    O/T I am obliged to Miss Plato for tweeting this headline from the Telegraph:

    "Street prostitutes in Italy ordered to wear high-visibility vests so motorists can see them"

    The Telegraph really has become a bloody awful newspaper.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    24 more sleeps until Labour announce their new leader.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    edited August 2015
    It's really very simple: Corbyn is an anti-American class warrior whose world view is based on being for anything the Britidh government and/or the Americans oppose. Every now and again that means he will be correct about something, but that won't be because he's thought it through, it's because even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Most of the time, though, JC's approach means he spends a lot if comradely time with total scum. It is beyond baffling people like Nick Pslmer are happy to brush this off. Corbyn may have good manners, but he is a thoroughly nasty piece of work.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,357
    AndyJS said:

    This is the best August ever for politics fans. Great entertainment value.

    1931?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    tyson said:

    it just means that he will get hammered and hammered and hammered again by some of the main agents that dictate elections.

    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

    ie the electorate
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    In case anyone missed it, Russel Brand is backing Corbyn:

    http://labourlist.org/2015/08/russell-brand-announces-his-support-for-jeremy-corbyn/

    Suddenly I'm less sure he's going to win.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    I bet there a fair few in the Tory party who would love to call an election today. Just for the hell of it. Just to see what the outcome could be. Thatcher majorities...pathetic. I don't know what the heck Labour would hold.

    Casino_Royale said:

    AndyJS said:

    This is the best August ever for politics fans. Great entertainment value.

    A Tory majority, the Lib Dems obliterated, a wholesale SNP takeover of Scotland, UKIP becoming a laughing stock, and Labour self-destructing and on the verge of electing a Trot as leader.

    Who would have predicted any of this a year ago?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Will there be some exit poll leaks so to speak? They seem to figure out the GE postal voting stuff easily enough and make it known "without opening" the envelopes?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    edited August 2015
    I was worried I was going to be burned out/bored of politics after the election, but this Labour leadership has been so energising.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,534
    DavidL said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DavidL said:

    I am sure there is a saying about dogs and fleas. Just can't quite bring it to mind.

    Flamineo, Webster's The White Devil - "for they that sleep with dogs shall rise with fleas..."
    Yes that's it. The Labour Party will be scratching for years after this no matter what the result.
    Flamineo also has the apt line "we are engag'd to mischief and must on..."

    I was probably the only person in my year at school who really enjoyed The White Devil. It's like Jacobean Tarantino....
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    JEO said:

    rullko said:

    Dunno if this has been posted, but the Daily Record endorsed JC yesterday. Are they the only paper to do so?

    The Morning Star has.
    Ok, but that's not much of a surprise. I think the Record is the only non-Communist paper to support him.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jeremy Corbyn has a thirty year Parliamentary record to go over. Given what we've seen so far, I'm assuming there are plenty more tasty morsels to amuse our palates yet.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Whatever you think of Corbyn, the focus is going to be all on him as an individual, instead of the Labour party. After years of the same with Miliband, you would have thought a quiet period with Burnham or Cooper would have been a breath of fresh for Labour members and a good chance for the party to regroup.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    Not all of us.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    I'm in the same boat as BJO. Except there is no Mrs TWR to worry about.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    Seriously, this is really important. I've nearly whacked a couple of them- with my car that it (just to clarify for the filthier minded pbCOMers).

    Anyway, out of the 1.2m subscribers to that adult affair site, I wonder how many are our pb regulars? We must have some worried posters here tonight.
    HurstLlama said:

    O/T I am obliged to Miss Plato for tweeting this headline from the Telegraph:

    "Street prostitutes in Italy ordered to wear high-visibility vests so motorists can see them"

    The Telegraph really has become a bloody awful newspaper.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    Its not going to happen, but it would keep me in beer for a bit, and cause apoplexy in some.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/634112155332255744
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    Not all of us.
    Still ain't gonna happen.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    Not all of us.
    Are you green across the board?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    antifrank said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    Not all of us.
    Still ain't gonna happen.
    Story of my life
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,000
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I was worried I was going to be burned out/bored of politics after the election, but this Labour leadership has been so energising.

    I have found it a bit depressing to be honest and have probably been posting less as a result. A competent government needs.a competent opposition. We don't have one.

    The really depressing thing is that it has been shown that there is a significant chunk of Labour that actually think like Jeremy: brainless, thoughtless anti-American, anti capitalist morons. Most large political parties have their share of nutters. Even a post UKIP Tory party has some. But for these idiots to get where they have shows a once mighty institution to be terminally sick.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    bigjohnowls said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    antifrank said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    We're all in trouble if Liz Kendall wins. But it ain't gonna happen.
    Not all of us.
    Are you green across the board?
    Nope, pretty much green on Kendall, Cooper and Corbyn. A bit of a loss on Burnham
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    I still think Labour need a Corbyn win. They're fecked at the minute- if you think the likes of Burnham and Cooper are the answer, then gawd knows what question you're asking and the whole drawn out leadership contest has been an embarrassment.
    Labour need something radical to shake them up, to make them realise just how out of touch they've become. Sure, he's unelectable, but Corbyn is that something to bring it all crashing down. It's gonna be a wild ride for the next few years, but Labour need to get on the horse!
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    tyson said:

    Seriously, this is really important. I've nearly whacked a couple of them- with my car that it (just to clarify for the filthier minded pbCOMers).

    Anyway, out of the 1.2m subscribers to that adult affair site, I wonder how many are our pb regulars? We must have some worried posters here tonight.

    HurstLlama said:

    O/T I am obliged to Miss Plato for tweeting this headline from the Telegraph:

    "Street prostitutes in Italy ordered to wear high-visibility vests so motorists can see them"

    The Telegraph really has become a bloody awful newspaper.

    Probably the Lefties. Only chance of a leg over.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    antifrank said:

    Jeremy Corbyn has a thirty year Parliamentary record to go over. Given what we've seen so far, I'm assuming there are plenty more tasty morsels to amuse our palates yet.

    I am not a Corbyn supporter, but it is surely sad that a 30 year parliamentary career is just a source of juicy stories.

    If so, we're doomed to be governed by foetuses and empty suits.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    bigjohnowls said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    The most exquisite outcome will be Corbyn narrowly winning on the back of people who have already voted - but having since paid a bit more attention, now bitterly regret that vote....

    More than half the MPs who nominated him apparently now regret it. Only fair to let the ordinary members share the joy...
    I have now equalised my winning positions on Corbyn and Burnham. If Cooper wins I am Red. If Kendall wins in big trouble with Mrs BJ
    Owls any idea on that pm I sent, the misses has just demanded a new bathroom !
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

    And breathe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I was worried I was going to be burned out/bored of politics after the election, but this Labour leadership has been so energising.

    I have found it a bit depressing to be honest and have probably been posting less as a result. A competent government needs.a competent opposition. We don't have one.

    The really depressing thing is that it has been shown that there is a significant chunk of Labour that actually think like Jeremy: brainless, thoughtless anti-American, anti capitalist morons. Most large political parties have their share of nutters. Even a post UKIP Tory party has some. But for these idiots to get where they have shows a once mighty institution to be terminally sick.
    It depressed me as it reminded me of our IDS phase.

    But if they elect him, I think it will force Labour to confront reality, we weren't stupid enough to put IDS to the country.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    Oh dear Wiseman. Dear oh dear.
    Are you Butch or Sundance in that last sequence in the great movie?
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

    It's strange how the left wing posters most gloating and triumphant between elections, be they SNP, Lib Dem and Labour, become absent when the actual results are coming in.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199
    JEO said:

    JWisemann said:

    TGOHF said:

    Make a list of the enemies of Britain and the British way of life - chances are Jeremy is a fan.

    Err... Hezbollah and Hamas have nothing to do with the UK, in fact both are enemies of ISIS who ARE actually enemies of the UK and who were armed by the Tories in Syria and Libya. If you consider israel and the UK's interests to align, maybe, 70% of the population disagree though.

    The Tories armed Islamic extremists in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and many more, all of whom pose a grave threat to normal UK citizens. Jeremy chatted to some people who represent no threat to the UK at all.

    He hasn't just met them. He's described them as his friends, and one as an honoured citizen. You can keep on claiming that he "just" met them, but I'll keep on correcting you.

    And I'm sure Hamas and Hezbollah are big fans of liberal democratic values.

    Jezbollah is going to be the most anti-Western leader any major party in the UK has even chosen.
    Sorry but why should we give a flying proverbial if he's anti-'Western'? Anti-British (which he may well be) is a problem. Anti a meaningless but constantly repeated geographical expression meaning everyone who does what America says, is not. In fact, it's refreshing, and considering the inevitable shifts in world status, perhaps diplomatically useful.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

    That's what you said prior to May, particularly to those PB Tories who were saying the Tories would get 300 plus MP
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    edited August 2015
    Kin Hell

    Corbyn could face Labour MPs' coup 'within days of being elected leader'

    Moderate Labour MPs have been in discissions how to overthrow hard Left Jeremy Corbyn if he is crowned Labour leader next month, The Telegraph can disclose.

    The MPs are understood to have held informal talks about challenging Mr Corbyn when Parliament returns to work next month.

    This could see Mr Corbyn fighting for his political life at the party’s annual conference, just days after he has been elected leader.

    http://bit.ly/1TWx0m0
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,199
    CopperSulphate said:

    In case anyone missed it, Russel Brand is backing Corbyn:

    http://labourlist.org/2015/08/russell-brand-announces-his-support-for-jeremy-corbyn/

    Suddenly I'm less sure he's going to win.

    I've never thought he would, and I'll be surprised (and pleased) if he does.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

    You ignore a) some Tories have expressed disquiet over underestimating what is happening, and getting complacent, acknowledging there are things he says the public will like and he will at the least probably have a lead in the polls for a time, so who knows and b) it is not only Tories who have been critical of Corbyn and the chances of Labour under him, or after.

    Labour need to avoid defeatism as much as the Tories need to avoid hubris.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

    Reminds me of something...
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Jonathan said:

    antifrank said:

    Jeremy Corbyn has a thirty year Parliamentary record to go over. Given what we've seen so far, I'm assuming there are plenty more tasty morsels to amuse our palates yet.

    I am not a Corbyn supporter, but it is surely sad that a 30 year parliamentary career is just a source of juicy stories.

    If so, we're doomed to be governed by foetuses and empty suits.
    Don't worry, there will be many with years of public service who haven't intentionally mixed in the company of wrong 'uns, and can remember that with certainty when questioned.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jonathan said:

    antifrank said:

    Jeremy Corbyn has a thirty year Parliamentary record to go over. Given what we've seen so far, I'm assuming there are plenty more tasty morsels to amuse our palates yet.

    I am not a Corbyn supporter, but it is surely sad that a 30 year parliamentary career is just a source of juicy stories.

    If so, we're doomed to be governed by foetuses and empty suits.
    A long career is only a worthwhile career if it is devoted to good causes. Jeremy Corbyn has snuggled up to a remarkable number of awful causes. We can expect more to emerge.

    Of course, the ABC candidates are so useless that it has only just occurred to them to go digging.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    edited August 2015
    JWisemann said:

    I think it's clear by their frothing and false bravado the PB Tories are rattled. They've won their first majority in decades on a historically record low vote, and with absolutely minimal enthusiasm even amongst their voters. And it's only downhill from here. Now they don't even have the safety net of a weak, acquiescent, pointless Labour Party facing them. The spectre of a genuine grassroots movement in control of a mainstream party is looming, which after a few more years of broken promises and declining living standards will be looking more and more attractive. Because they will make such an effort to rig the next election using all the establishment levers at their disposal - reducing the number of MPs whilst stacking the unelected lords, making it harder for the poor and rootless to vote, amongst many other nefarious plans - they'll be very hard to turf out next time. But their majority can certainly be scuppered, rendering them toothless and moribund (no other party will go into coalition with them for many years after seeing how the lib dems were chewed up and spat out) and the rules of the game will be changed for the next political generation.

    This is it guys - enjoy the next month, have your fun, enjoy your hubris - it's downhill from here.

    Not sure what happened to Tories for Corbyn. I think most non Lab voters on PB who sneeked through the net here voted against Jezza as 1st choice.
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