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Curse of the thread change.
FPT O/T I have just been VI'd by YouGov. Supplementary questions on Ed M and unions,MPs pay, BBC pay for both stars and management and how you would vote on a fictional European election with ballot paper included.0 -
Has PB been down overnight ....
Mike - I keep telling you to rub in the hair tonic not drink it !!0 -
Labour's cunning plan to only appear to have fallen out with UNITE is really bearing fruit.
We've all been fooled by it - Oscars all round.0 -
It would appear from last night locals that the theory that despite their overall weak polling the yellow peril remain a menace in target seats rings true, this time in Oxford West and Abingdon - Evan Harris lost seat.
The latest 2015 GE ARSE projection has the LibDems at 44 seats - net down 13.0 -
If JJ is around.
A CANNABIS factory below ground was unearthed when police went to investigate a report of men acting suspciously in Spellbrook.
The discovery of the elaborate set-up – which is believed to be the first of its kind in Hertfordshire – followed a call by a member of the public at 5.40pm on Monday
http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/News/East-Herts-villages/Police-unearth-underground-cannabis-factory-near-railway-line-in-Spellbrook-20130705064621.htm0 -
Obvious signs of desperation in deepest Cheshire this morning0
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I'm more oblong than round, but cheers for the link.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:If JJ is around.
A CANNABIS factory below ground was unearthed when police went to investigate a report of men acting suspciously in Spellbrook.
The discovery of the elaborate set-up – which is believed to be the first of its kind in Hertfordshire – followed a call by a member of the public at 5.40pm on Monday
http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/News/East-Herts-villages/Police-unearth-underground-cannabis-factory-near-railway-line-in-Spellbrook-20130705064621.htm
It seems quite a cunning set-up, but probably a medium-scale operation?0 -
The rubbish papers prefer Bulger and the better ones Egypt. The union stuff is leaving me cold though it's interesting that Cameron thinks it'll resonate. I don't believe the unions worry anyone anymore and it does give Ed a chance to slay a dragon-albeit one already castrated0
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Yes it's frightfully bad politics for a mildly eurosceptic PM to support a referendum bill that most punters support.tim said:There's a weak leader on the news, being forced by his Euro nutters to support a Private Members bill on a Friday when he hadn't the guts to either say no or introduce a Bill.
Hopefully it won't interfere with him tweeting photo's of himself watching the tennis.
Meanwhile Ed goes awol, presumably on his UNITE the one nation tour, although understandably the launch venue doesn't begin with a "F" .... well not that "F" anyway !!
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Add the South of France to the desperation zone.
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Why would Ed want to slay a dragon that is his party's main funder? More likely Unite will slay Ed, although the likeliest option is that the two will come to an 'arrangement'.Roger said:The rubbish papers prefer Bulger and the better ones Egypt. The union stuff is leaving me cold though it's interesting that Cameron thinks it'll resonate. I don't believe the unions worry anyone anymore and it does give Ed a chance to slay a dragon-albeit one already castrated
Lead story on BBC News Online: Unite boss attacks Labour leadership
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23192888
It will be interesting to see where this goes.0 -
Yes, I would say it was a medium scale operation, not having all your eggs in one basket etc.JosiasJessop said:
I'm more oblong than round, but cheers for the link.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:If JJ is around.
A CANNABIS factory below ground was unearthed when police went to investigate a report of men acting suspciously in Spellbrook.
The discovery of the elaborate set-up – which is believed to be the first of its kind in Hertfordshire – followed a call by a member of the public at 5.40pm on Monday
http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/News/East-Herts-villages/Police-unearth-underground-cannabis-factory-near-railway-line-in-Spellbrook-20130705064621.htm
It seems quite a cunning set-up, but probably a medium-scale operation?0 -
Is rEd on the radio or tv today? ? Seems to have learned some hide and seek tips from his spiritual guru Mr Brown.
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You cling to the weak mid term leads like some tatty comfort blanket if it gives you some solace "tim"tim said:
Yes it's always good for the Tories to bang on about Europe.JackW said:
Yes it's frightfully bad politics for a mildly eurosceptic PM to support a referendum bill that most punters support.tim said:There's a weak leader on the news, being forced by his Euro nutters to support a Private Members bill on a Friday when he hadn't the guts to either say no or introduce a Bill.
Hopefully it won't interfere with him tweeting photo's of himself watching the tennis.
Meanwhile Ed goes awol, presumably on his UNITE the one nation tour, although understandably the launch venue doesn't begin with a "F" .... well not that "F" anyway !!
Especially since Dave drew a line in the sand in January and asked his party to trust him.
Meanwhile you can spot the exact point on here where the PB tories proclaimed a narrowing in the YouGov polling.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
See chart showing LAB leads in the last 10 YouGov daily polling snapshots pic.twitter.com/nzSiEj9DeS
However the fact remains, endorsed by this weeks shenanigans that :
Ed Miliband will never be Prime Minister.
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Well it is Friday. How is Ed going to finish off his perfect week?
Simply running away from the debate on Britain's future in the EU isn't nearly enough. No doubt we will find something else as the day goes on.
I wonder if we have seen the last resignation from the shadow cabinet.0 -
Something amusingly stupid on Twitter probably - Blackbusters remains one of my favourites.DavidL said:Well it is Friday. How is Ed going to finish off his perfect week?
Simply running away from the debate on Britain's future in the EU isn't nearly enough. No doubt we will find something else as the day goes on.
I wonder if we have seen the last resignation from the shadow cabinet.0 -
@Jonathan
You post would have more resonance if you did the same thing with the endless repetitions from your own side of the political table.
As it stands however, your comment justifies this response.
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Predicting general elections isn't always about "rational analysis" because the punters often thumb two collective fingers at the rational.tim said:
Predicting an election result showing 5 UKIP MP's and the Tories hardly losing any seats disqualifies you somewhat from rational analysis.JackW said:@Roger
I'm not surprised the "union stuff" is leaving you "cold" what with Labour's 2015 GE chances now in the deep freeze.
Poor Roger, where did it all go so wrong ?
Further the latest 2015 GE ARSE projection is 3 Ukip seats which is hardly verging on fruitcake territory notwithstanding a small drop in Conservative seats.
Naturally I'm entirely disqualified from such Conservative seats predictions as I quite disgracefully missed their 2010 seat total of 306 total by one seat .... Oh the shame !!!!
Shouldn't you be milking the cows by now whilst the rest of us milk the "non event" UNITE story ?
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Good morning, everyone.
Saw the first question on QT (incidentally, the website seemed to have the wrong panel list, or I saw the wrong one last night, sorry about that) and it reminded me why I don't bother watching anymore.
Egypt has a military coup, and the first question's on MP pay rises.
Also, Rowan Atkinson should be made a knight. Or a lord.0 -
Off-topic:
A great indication that people can redeem themselves:A former NBA star who once declared "I hate gay people" became the first person to sign a new petition seeking to legalize gay marriage in Florida.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/04/tim-hardaway-gay-marriage-petition_n_3544558.html
Good on him.0 -
So Labour have a potential scandal and possible criminal charges, which implicate its main donor and the entire Labour contingent in the HOC are absent for a debate on Europe..it all looks good..apart from it also looking as if the Labour MP's only do a four day week Strong leadership written all over it0
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How is the bestest week ever of Ed's leadership (sic) going?
@PeterWatt123
If Labour attempts to blame #Falkirk just on 'particular individuals' rather than accepting institutional problem it will be a disgrace.
It's OK, they are not that stupid
@BBCNormanS: Labour via @angelaeagle point finger of blame for #Falkirk at "partic individuals" in constituency rather than organised campaign by Unite
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And here is Labour's Tory-backbench-eurosceptic moment:
Internally it matters a very great deal, externally people are bored or don't really care and the overriding impression - where there is one - is strongly negative.
No wonder tim is sounding unusually fraught.
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Anna Eagle this morning on Today R4 was being questioned by Evan Davies on the Falkirk/Unite debacle after Nick Robinson had summarised the situation.
Her defense of the situation was defenseless and her best effort was - in best 1950s Labour /Trade Union speak - "we had to defend our rule-book."0 -
I see a fresh round of Tory yah-boo posts this morning, but I wonder if they aren't a bit sobered by the fact that the polling benefit for them, judging by both the daily YGs and the by-elections last night, appears to be precisely zero.
Personally I think there will be a bit of an effect before the story fades but a short-term one.
Part of the reason is that many people categorise it all under "Obscure stuff about how politics works". But there's a deeper problem that the Tory attack lines are internally inconsistent. If you want to argue "Miliband is in the pocket of the unions, weak and terrified to stand up to Labour's paymasters, it's hard to explain a headline saying "Red McCluskey rages at Labour". If you want to argue "Labour is deeply split and not ready to govern", then Labour can't be in the union pocket, since that's not a split.
As I said the other day, it's clearly awkward, but on the whole parties who spend their time having a go at each other leave floating voters cold, and the Tories are finding the limits of the approach in much the same way as we have in the past.0 -
With a better poll rating than he started, apparently.DavidL said:Well it is Friday. How is Ed going to finish off his perfect week?
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Miliband and Clegg are absolutely right to keep their parties well away from a debate that is all about Dave's desperate need to regain a bit of trust from his swivel-eyed tendency.DavidL said:Well it is Friday. How is Ed going to finish off his perfect week?
Simply running away from the debate on Britain's future in the EU isn't nearly enough. No doubt we will find something else as the day goes on.
I wonder if we have seen the last resignation from the shadow cabinet.
On Unite, it is a defining challenge for Ed and for the Labour Party. It had to happen at some stage. Let's see how it pans out. The Tories have made it a test of Ed's leadership. That may well turn out to have been a mistake.
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Repeating an offer of a bet that I've already rejected on the principle of never wagering with PBers is hardly an effective response.tim said:
Take the bet then.JackW said:
Predicting general elections isn't always about "rational analysis" because the punters often thumb two collective fingers at the rational.tim said:
Predicting an election result showing 5 UKIP MP's and the Tories hardly losing any seats disqualifies you somewhat from rational analysis.JackW said:@Roger
I'm not surprised the "union stuff" is leaving you "cold" what with Labour's 2015 GE chances now in the deep freeze.
Poor Roger, where did it all go so wrong ?
Further the latest 2015 GE ARSE projection is 3 Ukip seats which is hardly verging on fruitcake territory notwithstanding a small drop in Conservative seats.
Naturally I'm entirely disqualified from such Conservative seats predictions as I quite disgracefully missed their 2010 seat total of 306 total by one seat .... Oh the shame !!!!
Shouldn't you be milking the cows by now whilst the rest of us milk the "non event" UNITE story ?
If the Tories get 280 or more seats, UKIP will get one or zero.
However you could always validate your own analysis and bet the farm elsewhere ?
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Mr. Palmer, 'yah-boos' regarding a serious situation for both Labour and democracy generally is a rather cheap way of describing what's going on.
It's also rather odd to expect immediate and dramatic polling movements.
You don't seem remotely concerned by the behaviour of Unite. Are you?0 -
I hope it is something imaginative but lots of potential still exists in the Watson departure. The latest line appears to be that Ed used to be indecisive but now he is not so sure and maybe he was decisive after all. Or not.Plato said:
Something amusingly stupid on Twitter probably - Blackbusters remains one of my favourites.DavidL said:Well it is Friday. How is Ed going to finish off his perfect week?
Simply running away from the debate on Britain's future in the EU isn't nearly enough. No doubt we will find something else as the day goes on.
I wonder if we have seen the last resignation from the shadow cabinet.
It is lucky that Mr Watson is such a genial fellow who would never say anything nasty about anyone, isn't it? Or leak anything inconvenient. Or seek to undermine colleagues that he seems to blame for his situation. Pure as the driven snow. No doubt that is why Ed appointed him in the first place.
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New Thread.
Not allowing discussion - much like Falkirk labour party0 -
Not really. I predicted exactly that yesterday. This is all just a bit of fun for the geeks but amusing none the less.NickPalmer said:I see a fresh round of Tory yah-boo posts this morning, but I wonder if they aren't a bit sobered by the fact that the polling benefit for them, judging by both the daily YGs and the by-elections last night, appears to be precisely zero.
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The european map of prejudices.
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-atlas-of-prejudices-fotostrecke-98525.html0 -
A flightless Eagle on Sky, repeating the mantra that labour is a very proud party, nowt to say about McClusky except he didnt mean what he said..I wonder how she knows that..ho hum0
