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We could soon see crossover between the Tories & Reform in the most seats market

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We could soon see crossover between the Tories & Reform in the most seats market – politicalbetting.com

For a while I had advised backing the Tories in the most seats market for a variety of reasons but mostly if Reform implode or if the two established parties restore their duoply.

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929
    First.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183
    Will we see pigs flying too?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929
    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,763
    dixiedean said:

    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.

    It was his Waterloo.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114

    dixiedean said:

    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.

    It was his Waterloo.
    We must be grateful FIFA's influence is limited to football and international peace.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,763
    Shocked.

    Inside the extreme far-right campaign to infiltrate Restore Britain

    Neo-Nazis who support ethnic cleansing and have praised Hitler have secured influential local roles in Rupert Lowe’s party, an investigation has found


    Neo-fascists, Hitler admirers and supporters of ethnic cleansing have embedded themselves in key local positions in Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, an investigation has found.

    They have installed themselves in influential roles in local Restore Britain branches across England.

    The far-right figures include individuals who have praised Hitler and used extreme racial slurs. One of them ran a social media account posting depraved comments about defiling the corpses of ethnic minorities until it was suspended this month....

    ...The infiltration of Restore Britain by the extreme far right comes after a deliberate campaign to do so by Steve Laws, the leader of the Remigration Now (RN) movement, a group that advocates “total remigration” by purging the country of anyone with “non-white” heritage.

    Laws, a former “migrant hunter” who has said he is a “proud” racist and that Hitler was “a misunderstood politician”, told Remigration Now members in February to become Restore Britain branch organisers and candidates as part of an effort to “create a stronghold in that party and really hold some weight over the direction”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/restore-britain-rupert-lowe-far-right-campaign-infiltrate-368qmffhq
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,228

    dixiedean said:

    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.

    It was his Waterloo.
    But will there ever be a retreat from Moscow?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183

    dixiedean said:

    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.

    It was his Waterloo.
    But will there ever be a retreat from Moscow?
    If he keeps arson around, very possibly.

    Or at least, he will be driven away.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,363
    edited 6:57AM

    Shocked.

    Inside the extreme far-right campaign to infiltrate Restore Britain

    Neo-Nazis who support ethnic cleansing and have praised Hitler have secured influential local roles in Rupert Lowe’s party, an investigation has found


    Neo-fascists, Hitler admirers and supporters of ethnic cleansing have embedded themselves in key local positions in Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, an investigation has found.

    They have installed themselves in influential roles in local Restore Britain branches across England.

    The far-right figures include individuals who have praised Hitler and used extreme racial slurs. One of them ran a social media account posting depraved comments about defiling the corpses of ethnic minorities until it was suspended this month....

    ...The infiltration of Restore Britain by the extreme far right comes after a deliberate campaign to do so by Steve Laws, the leader of the Remigration Now (RN) movement, a group that advocates “total remigration” by purging the country of anyone with “non-white” heritage.

    Laws, a former “migrant hunter” who has said he is a “proud” racist and that Hitler was “a misunderstood politician”, told Remigration Now members in February to become Restore Britain branch organisers and candidates as part of an effort to “create a stronghold in that party and really hold some weight over the direction”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/restore-britain-rupert-lowe-far-right-campaign-infiltrate-368qmffhq

    Is infiltration the right word?

    Restore seem to be for people who look at Farage and think "you're quasi-racist. You're semi-racist. You're the margarine of racism. You're the Diet Coke of racism. Just one calorie, not racist enough."
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444
    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418
    ydoethur said:

    Shocked.

    Inside the extreme far-right campaign to infiltrate Restore Britain

    Neo-Nazis who support ethnic cleansing and have praised Hitler have secured influential local roles in Rupert Lowe’s party, an investigation has found


    Neo-fascists, Hitler admirers and supporters of ethnic cleansing have embedded themselves in key local positions in Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, an investigation has found.

    They have installed themselves in influential roles in local Restore Britain branches across England.

    The far-right figures include individuals who have praised Hitler and used extreme racial slurs. One of them ran a social media account posting depraved comments about defiling the corpses of ethnic minorities until it was suspended this month....

    ...The infiltration of Restore Britain by the extreme far right comes after a deliberate campaign to do so by Steve Laws, the leader of the Remigration Now (RN) movement, a group that advocates “total remigration” by purging the country of anyone with “non-white” heritage.

    Laws, a former “migrant hunter” who has said he is a “proud” racist and that Hitler was “a misunderstood politician”, told Remigration Now members in February to become Restore Britain branch organisers and candidates as part of an effort to “create a stronghold in that party and really hold some weight over the direction”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/restore-britain-rupert-lowe-far-right-campaign-infiltrate-368qmffhq

    That's extremely surprising.

    Why did they need to plot an infiltration?
    That was my immediate reaction!
    "Neo-Nazis shocked by racism of Restore Britain leader" headlines
    Is this an attempt to rehabilitate Lowe as Farage's star wanes?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Sadly not looking like "comprehensively shat the bed and rolled over face down in it" was pessimistic

    Adura's own assessment of Jackdaw is that it will create 27 new full time positions...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,363
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Sadly not looking like "comprehensively shat the bed and rolled over face down in it" was pessimistic

    Adura's own assessment of Jackdaw is that it will create 27 new full time positions...
    That is good news and worth doing then.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    That's not working class, it's just wrong.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,931

    dixiedean said:

    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.

    It was his Waterloo.
    But will there ever be a retreat from Moscow?
    This evening. 18:12 to be precise...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,931

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    That's not working class, it's just wrong.
    Before the teabag in the mug? I've just gagged!!
    Before or after but nowhere near the bag.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418
    edited 7:41AM

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929
    edited 7:41AM
    Milk first came from low quality china pottery.
    Pouring boiling water into it could lead to cracks.
    So the milk went in first to act as a coolant
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183

    dixiedean said:

    The implosion of Farage has been something to behold.
    Hard to credit how high he was riding at the start of this World Cup.
    Makerfield seems to have been a hammer blow.

    It was his Waterloo.
    But will there ever be a retreat from Moscow?
    This evening. 18:12 to be precise...
    Will Farage make overtures to somebody else?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183
    edited 7:46AM

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    If I understand the many posts of @Richard_Tyndall on this subject correctly, whatever Burnham's plans for new drilling the situation we are in means they are about as likely to actually come to fruition as Gloucestershire's plans to be a County Championship winning side.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,755

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    To the bin hopefully
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,755
    dixiedean said:

    Milk first came from low quality china pottery.
    Pouring boiling water into it could lead to cracks.
    So the milk went in first to act as a coolant

    fecks up your cup of tea though
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,363
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    Cute that you think the Greens care about fossil fuels.

    Anyone who genuinely cares about the environment cares about phasing out the burning of oil, not its domestic extraction.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183
    malcolmg said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    To the bin hopefully
    Wait - he's standing in Clacton as well?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    That's not working class, it's just wrong.
    Only works if the tea is in a pot, surely? The tea needs boiling water to properly liberate the flavour. That's why you can't get a decent cup of char in America or most of continental Europe.
    What next, jam before cream on the scone? Pronouncing "scone" to rhyme with "bone"? Calling the letter "h" "haitch"? Saying "myself" when you mean "me"?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    That's not working class, it's just wrong.
    Only works if the tea is in a pot, surely? The tea needs boiling water to properly liberate the flavour. That's why you can't get a decent cup of char in America or most of continental Europe.
    What next, jam before cream on the scone? Pronouncing "scone" to rhyme with "bone"? Calling the letter "h" "haitch"? Saying "myself" when you mean "me"?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    ydoethur said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    If I understand the many posts of @Richard_Tyndall on this subject correctly, whatever Burnham's plans for new drilling the situation we are in means they are about as likely to actually come to fruition as Gloucestershire's plans to be a County Championship winning side.
    Gloucestershire have plans? Huge if true
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534
    It’s not clear if this announcement is just in relation to Jackdaw and Rosebank . Would that count as new licences ?

    Of course if you’re going to give something to the right of the party likely announcements on utilities will be seen as something for the left .

    The Greens will of course like Burnhams move on oil and gas .
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    dixiedean said:

    Milk first came from low quality china pottery.
    Pouring boiling water into it could lead to cracks.
    So the milk went in first to act as a coolant

    With a teapot when even bad china was expensive.. Not with tea bags in the early 21st century.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,804

    Shocked.

    Inside the extreme far-right campaign to infiltrate Restore Britain

    Neo-Nazis who support ethnic cleansing and have praised Hitler have secured influential local roles in Rupert Lowe’s party, an investigation has found


    Neo-fascists, Hitler admirers and supporters of ethnic cleansing have embedded themselves in key local positions in Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, an investigation has found.

    They have installed themselves in influential roles in local Restore Britain branches across England.

    The far-right figures include individuals who have praised Hitler and used extreme racial slurs. One of them ran a social media account posting depraved comments about defiling the corpses of ethnic minorities until it was suspended this month....

    ...The infiltration of Restore Britain by the extreme far right comes after a deliberate campaign to do so by Steve Laws, the leader of the Remigration Now (RN) movement, a group that advocates “total remigration” by purging the country of anyone with “non-white” heritage.

    Laws, a former “migrant hunter” who has said he is a “proud” racist and that Hitler was “a misunderstood politician”, told Remigration Now members in February to become Restore Britain branch organisers and candidates as part of an effort to “create a stronghold in that party and really hold some weight over the direction”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/restore-britain-rupert-lowe-far-right-campaign-infiltrate-368qmffhq

    Is infiltration the right word?

    Restore seem to be for people who look at Farage and think "you're quasi-racist. You're semi-racist. You're the margarine of racism. You're the Diet Coke of racism. Just one calorie, not racist enough."
    As I read down the article before I got to your comment I was thinking exactly the same thing. Is it 'infiltrated when you are openly welcomed for your views?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183
    Foss said:

    dixiedean said:

    Milk first came from low quality china pottery.
    Pouring boiling water into it could lead to cracks.
    So the milk went in first to act as a coolant

    With a teapot when even bad china was expensive.. Not with tea bags in the early 21st century.
    Mind you, loose leaf tea tastes way better.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,418

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    Cute that you think the Greens care about fossil fuels.

    Anyone who genuinely cares about the environment cares about phasing out the burning of oil, not its domestic extraction.
    You can care about something and have completely moronic and self-defeating ideas about what to do about it.

    In fact, I'd say that's the rule, not the exception, within left wing politics generally for the last century or more.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,605

    Shocked.

    Inside the extreme far-right campaign to infiltrate Restore Britain

    Neo-Nazis who support ethnic cleansing and have praised Hitler have secured influential local roles in Rupert Lowe’s party, an investigation has found


    Neo-fascists, Hitler admirers and supporters of ethnic cleansing have embedded themselves in key local positions in Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, an investigation has found.

    They have installed themselves in influential roles in local Restore Britain branches across England.

    The far-right figures include individuals who have praised Hitler and used extreme racial slurs. One of them ran a social media account posting depraved comments about defiling the corpses of ethnic minorities until it was suspended this month....

    ...The infiltration of Restore Britain by the extreme far right comes after a deliberate campaign to do so by Steve Laws, the leader of the Remigration Now (RN) movement, a group that advocates “total remigration” by purging the country of anyone with “non-white” heritage.

    Laws, a former “migrant hunter” who has said he is a “proud” racist and that Hitler was “a misunderstood politician”, told Remigration Now members in February to become Restore Britain branch organisers and candidates as part of an effort to “create a stronghold in that party and really hold some weight over the direction”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/restore-britain-rupert-lowe-far-right-campaign-infiltrate-368qmffhq

    But they hang tatty flags of St George from lampposts. Isn't that the mark of a patriot?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,228
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Sadly not looking like "comprehensively shat the bed and rolled over face down in it" was pessimistic

    Adura's own assessment of Jackdaw is that it will create 27 new full time positions...
    Has this ever happened before?

    'GB Energy says it may not meet pledge to employ 1,000 people ‘for 20 years’'

    'Only 30 permanent jobs appointed weeks before GB Energy's £1.7m Aberdeen HQ opens'
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538
    I lack the knowledge/understanding of the topic to opine (I know, poor show and it mustn't catch on) but I will say one thing. In all my time on PB there has (with the possible exception of abolishing the triple lock) never been a policy so universally clammered for as an extension to drilling in the North Sea. So this should be one happy online community if these rumours are true.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    Cute that you think the Greens care about fossil fuels.

    Anyone who genuinely cares about the environment cares about phasing out the burning of oil, not its domestic extraction.
    Naive that you think someone in Environment who bends to the fossil fuel lobby won't also cave in on electrification, NIMBY campaigns against power lines, solar farms, BESS and any other vociferous groups blocking progress.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,804
    Fishing said:

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    Cute that you think the Greens care about fossil fuels.

    Anyone who genuinely cares about the environment cares about phasing out the burning of oil, not its domestic extraction.
    You can care about something and have completely moronic and self-defeating ideas about what to do about it.

    In fact, I'd say that's the rule, not the exception, within left wing politics generally for the last century or more.
    Far be it from me to defend the Left but isn't it the rule in ALL politics not just the Left.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Sadly not looking like "comprehensively shat the bed and rolled over face down in it" was pessimistic

    Adura's own assessment of Jackdaw is that it will create 27 new full time positions...
    Has this ever happened before?

    'GB Energy says it may not meet pledge to employ 1,000 people ‘for 20 years’'

    'Only 30 permanent jobs appointed weeks before GB Energy's £1.7m Aberdeen HQ opens'
    "Great British Energy’s mandate is to invest in and co-develop projects" it was never going to directly employ many people, so they shouldn't made that claim.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    dixiedean said:

    Milk first came from low quality china pottery.
    Pouring boiling water into it could lead to cracks.
    So the milk went in first to act as a coolant

    Weren't the teapots also China pottery ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    Fishing said:

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    Cute that you think the Greens care about fossil fuels.

    Anyone who genuinely cares about the environment cares about phasing out the burning of oil, not its domestic extraction.
    You can care about something and have completely moronic and self-defeating ideas about what to do about it.

    In fact, I'd say that's the rule, not the exception, within left wing politics generally for the last century or more.
    Far be it from me to defend the Left but isn't it the rule in ALL politics not just the Leftis.
    Did everyone forget Trump ?

    Speaking of whom, is his Thursday speech better termed The Pettysburg Address, or I Have a Scheme ?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418

    ydoethur said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    If I understand the many posts of @Richard_Tyndall on this subject correctly, whatever Burnham's plans for new drilling the situation we are in means they are about as likely to actually come to fruition as Gloucestershire's plans to be a County Championship winning side.
    Gloucestershire have plans? Huge if true
    As a smaller county supporter I don't normally look at the bottom of Div 2..., but that is poor, less than 1 batting point per match
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,318

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Sadly not looking like "comprehensively shat the bed and rolled over face down in it" was pessimistic

    Adura's own assessment of Jackdaw is that it will create 27 new full time positions...
    Has this ever happened before?

    'GB Energy says it may not meet pledge to employ 1,000 people ‘for 20 years’'

    'Only 30 permanent jobs appointed weeks before GB Energy's £1.7m Aberdeen HQ opens'
    Jobs being lost, Engineers. Jobs (not) being gained, administrators.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,992
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    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    This is more damaging to the UK economy by a factor of about 100 than Miliband not issuing development licences in the North Sea.

    The Times reporting that Andy Burnham succeeded in persuading Shabana Mahmood to become Chancellor because it would give her more control over cutting immigration

    https://bsky.app/profile/adambienkov.bsky.social/post/3mqvpqqks3k22
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,183
    Dopermean said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    If I understand the many posts of @Richard_Tyndall on this subject correctly, whatever Burnham's plans for new drilling the situation we are in means they are about as likely to actually come to fruition as Gloucestershire's plans to be a County Championship winning side.
    Gloucestershire have plans? Huge if true
    As a smaller county supporter I don't normally look at the bottom of Div 2..., but that is poor, less than 1 batting point per match
    Which is in its own way ironic, as it was the bowling that was considered the likely problem this year.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538
    You can put the bag in the cup but then unless you have all the time in the world you have to start pressing it against the side of the cup with a spoon to get the infusion going. This is sensitive and can easily be overdone leading to a too strong beverage. So you have to concentrate and be quite skillful. Which is fine, it can be nice little ritual, but there is a lot to be said for taking it out of the equation and using a proper teapot. That's what they were invented for. Also worth noting that if nobody used them they would die out and become mere heirlooms for decoration. Like snuff boxes. That would be sad.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164
    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    So looking like Ed is moving from Environment...
    And not going to the Treasury....

    Blue Labour Mahmood into the Treasury, someone fossil fuel compliant into Environment and another 5% of longterm Labour supporters switching to Greens
    Cute that you think the Greens care about fossil fuels.

    Anyone who genuinely cares about the environment cares about phasing out the burning of oil, not its domestic extraction.
    You can care about something and have completely moronic and self-defeating ideas about what to do about it.

    In fact, I'd say that's the rule, not the exception, within left wing politics generally for the last century or more.
    Far be it from me to defend the Left but isn't it the rule in ALL politics not just the Leftis.
    Did everyone forget Trump ?

    Speaking of whom, is his Thursday speech better termed The Pettysburg Address, or I Have a Scheme ?
    Or the Pottysburg address.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164
    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,538
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Sadly not looking like "comprehensively shat the bed and rolled over face down in it" was pessimistic

    Adura's own assessment of Jackdaw is that it will create 27 new full time positions...
    If you want cheap energy, then you don't actually want it to create lots of jobs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,432

    Shocked.

    Inside the extreme far-right campaign to infiltrate Restore Britain

    Neo-Nazis who support ethnic cleansing and have praised Hitler have secured influential local roles in Rupert Lowe’s party, an investigation has found


    Neo-fascists, Hitler admirers and supporters of ethnic cleansing have embedded themselves in key local positions in Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, an investigation has found.

    They have installed themselves in influential roles in local Restore Britain branches across England.

    The far-right figures include individuals who have praised Hitler and used extreme racial slurs. One of them ran a social media account posting depraved comments about defiling the corpses of ethnic minorities until it was suspended this month....

    ...The infiltration of Restore Britain by the extreme far right comes after a deliberate campaign to do so by Steve Laws, the leader of the Remigration Now (RN) movement, a group that advocates “total remigration” by purging the country of anyone with “non-white” heritage.

    Laws, a former “migrant hunter” who has said he is a “proud” racist and that Hitler was “a misunderstood politician”, told Remigration Now members in February to become Restore Britain branch organisers and candidates as part of an effort to “create a stronghold in that party and really hold some weight over the direction”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/restore-britain-rupert-lowe-far-right-campaign-infiltrate-368qmffhq

    Is infiltration the right word?

    Restore seem to be for people who look at Farage and think "you're quasi-racist. You're semi-racist. You're the margarine of racism. You're the Diet Coke of racism. Just one calorie, not racist enough."
    As I read down the article before I got to your comment I was thinking exactly the same thing. Is it 'infiltrated when you are openly welcomed for your views?
    And they are slackers on immigration anyway.

    Everyone in the country is a descendent of migrants. Out of Africa etc.

    So the only answer is my party, Revive. Our policy is to expel *everyone* from the country. Everyone.

    This solves every other problem with the country. See the best performing hospital in the NHS, St Edward’s.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,801

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,422
    Nigelb said:

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
    It's not wrong at all. If I put the milk in first I know that I've got exactly the amount of milk I want. I only do this at home as I control all other variables such as using the same tea bags, teapot and amount of water. It results in perfect tea just the way I want it. If you put the milk in last it's too easy to overpour.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    If they had a banner saying Trump is a cxnt what would have been the reaction ? The pathetic defence given by the US administration effectively means players could unfurl banners calling for anything as it’s “ part of their culture “ .
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,432
    Nigelb said:

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
    A friend always drinks tea. So orders tea in the pub. One place they managed to screw up making tea by placing a tea bag in hot water. A bunch of us were wracking our brains to work out how they managed that.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,363
    kinabalu said:

    You can put the bag in the cup but then unless you have all the time in the world you have to start pressing it against the side of the cup with a spoon to get the infusion going. This is sensitive and can easily be overdone leading to a too strong beverage. So you have to concentrate and be quite skillful. Which is fine, it can be nice little ritual, but there is a lot to be said for taking it out of the equation and using a proper teapot. That's what they were invented for. Also worth noting that if nobody used them they would die out and become mere heirlooms for decoration. Like snuff boxes. That would be sad.

    Or you could make a decent cup of coffee and it doesn't really matter if milk goes in first or last, its good either way.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,691

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538
    That's interesting how Casino's post at 9.28 was duped but my one nipped in between them. I'm no tech expert but you'd have thought the time between duping of a post was so infinitesimal that nobody could get into the gap. Yet I did.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,626

    kinabalu said:

    You can put the bag in the cup but then unless you have all the time in the world you have to start pressing it against the side of the cup with a spoon to get the infusion going. This is sensitive and can easily be overdone leading to a too strong beverage. So you have to concentrate and be quite skillful. Which is fine, it can be nice little ritual, but there is a lot to be said for taking it out of the equation and using a proper teapot. That's what they were invented for. Also worth noting that if nobody used them they would die out and become mere heirlooms for decoration. Like snuff boxes. That would be sad.

    Or you could make a decent cup of coffee and it doesn't really matter if milk goes in first or last, its good either way.
    Or you could have your tea like I do

    Black, with the bag left in.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,228
    Dura_Ace said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
    C’mon, he owes us for an ‘historic’ 2 state visits.
    How much they are worth is of course a matter of opinion.
    #specialrelationship
    #bendover
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    You can put the bag in the cup but then unless you have all the time in the world you have to start pressing it against the side of the cup with a spoon to get the infusion going. This is sensitive and can easily be overdone leading to a too strong beverage. So you have to concentrate and be quite skillful. Which is fine, it can be nice little ritual, but there is a lot to be said for taking it out of the equation and using a proper teapot. That's what they were invented for. Also worth noting that if nobody used them they would die out and become mere heirlooms for decoration. Like snuff boxes. That would be sad.

    Or you could make a decent cup of coffee and it doesn't really matter if milk goes in first or last, its good either way.
    Or you could have your tea like I do

    Black, with the bag left in.
    Bloody hell. Hard core.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,605

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    Whatever you do, don't tell him all about the Falkland mineral reserves the Chinese are after.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538

    kinabalu said:

    You can put the bag in the cup but then unless you have all the time in the world you have to start pressing it against the side of the cup with a spoon to get the infusion going. This is sensitive and can easily be overdone leading to a too strong beverage. So you have to concentrate and be quite skillful. Which is fine, it can be nice little ritual, but there is a lot to be said for taking it out of the equation and using a proper teapot. That's what they were invented for. Also worth noting that if nobody used them they would die out and become mere heirlooms for decoration. Like snuff boxes. That would be sad.

    Or you could make a decent cup of coffee and it doesn't really matter if milk goes in first or last, its good either way.
    Yes I'm a coffee person. Tea only twice a week. Sat and Sun afternoons - with cake.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,605
    edited 8:42AM
    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    Milk first came from low quality china pottery.
    Pouring boiling water into it could lead to cracks.
    So the milk went in first to act as a coolant

    fecks up your cup of tea though
    Why do you imperialist British add milk to EVERYTHING?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
    It's not wrong at all. If I put the milk in first I know that I've got exactly the amount of milk I want. I only do this at home as I control all other variables such as using the same tea bags, teapot and amount of water. It results in perfect tea just the way I want it. If you put the milk in last it's too easy to overpour.
    Aesthetically wrong.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,228
    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
    It's not wrong at all. If I put the milk in first I know that I've got exactly the amount of milk I want. I only do this at home as I control all other variables such as using the same tea bags, teapot and amount of water. It results in perfect tea just the way I want it. If you put the milk in last it's too easy to overpour.
    And then we come to the vexed question of what to do with the used teabag. What sort of degenerate leaves the soggy sac by the side of the sink?

    I live with such a person so I suppose I should ask her.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164
    Dura_Ace said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
    He is betraying his closest longstanding ally.

    Of course, you welcome that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    What's Reform's favourite Austen novel ?

    Bribe and Prejudice.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164
    nico67 said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    If they had a banner saying Trump is a cxnt what would have been the reaction ? The pathetic defence given by the US administration effectively means players could unfurl banners calling for anything as it’s “ part of their culture “ .
    Trump deserves retribution and maximum punishment.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,693
    Reform did just win the Norfolk PCC by-election…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    Dura_Ace said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
    Casino isn't wrong to call him treacherous, nonetheless.
    Or lecherous, or treasonous.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    nico67 said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    If they had a banner saying Trump is a cxnt what would have been the reaction ?
    Universal approbation.
    I'd even wish them well in the final.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,801

    Dura_Ace said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
    He is betraying his closest longstanding ally.

    France?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,670

    nico67 said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    If they had a banner saying Trump is a cxnt what would have been the reaction ? The pathetic defence given by the US administration effectively means players could unfurl banners calling for anything as it’s “ part of their culture “ .
    Trump deserves retribution and maximum punishment.
    Good morning everyone. By no means as sunny, and not as warm here this morning. Sadly`!

    On topic, the best punishment for Trump would be to lose the Senate and the House badly , so that he was reduced to defending his actions and suggestions.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,670
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
    Casino isn't wrong to call him treacherous, nonetheless.
    Or lecherous, or treasonous.
    Surely those 'or's should be 'and's?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,538

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Hahahahahahahaaaaaaa.
    Is this simple open delight at a development you approve of or something else, something bleak and jaded?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,363

    Dura_Ace said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    He's definitely a shit but is it 'treacherous'? He doesn't owe the UK any more consideration than Argentina.
    He is betraying his closest longstanding ally.

    Of course, you welcome that.
    The problem is he is a narcissist.

    The UK is America's closest longstanding ally, not his.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,869
    Reform's collapse is remarkable. They had two 10 point leads in early June. For the moment I can't see their way back. Now Labour have a sure footed leader (at least until Monday), the next sane stage would be a clear repudiation by the Tories of Reform, Restore, Lozza, etc and all their works and in six months time we would be creeping back to something resembling two party politics. FWIW I don't think 'Tories most seats' is value unless one believes that they will replace Badenoch with someone prime ministerial.

    Currently Farage is the new Starmer - he cannot do anything right and the media have turned on him. And he is stuck in a joke by election.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,249

    Reform did just win the Norfolk PCC by-election…

    A vote with 17% turnout is meaningless as far as the wider implications are concerned. We just don't know who the other 83% would support
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited 8:55AM
    On the latest polls the Tories and Reform are getting closer on votes and seats. It seems Burnham wins back some voters from Reform to Labour in the redwall but leaves the Tories largely untouched (perhaps as if you are still voting Tory even now you will almost certainly always vote Tory). For the Tories to overtake Reform on seats though it would likely need Kemi to win back some former Conservative voting swing voters who voted for Starmer Labour in 2024 but think Burnham too leftwing. Plus for there to be anti Reform tactical voting in Conservative held seats.

    In terms of forming a government though, if the Tories do just edge ahead of Reform on seats without pulling away that will likely overall be good news for Burnham. With the rightwing vote near equally divided between the Conservatives and Reform under FPTP the main winner from that would be Labour in Labour held marginal seats
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164

    nico67 said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    If they had a banner saying Trump is a cxnt what would have been the reaction ? The pathetic defence given by the US administration effectively means players could unfurl banners calling for anything as it’s “ part of their culture “ .
    Trump deserves retribution and maximum punishment.
    Good morning everyone. By no means as sunny, and not as warm here this morning. Sadly`!

    On topic, the best punishment for Trump would be to lose the Senate and the House badly , so that he was reduced to defending his actions and suggestions.
    I would unflinchingly vote Democrat now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    On free speech grounds apparently. He also said Tuchel played Kane too defensively having once played golf with the England striker

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjej3y1jgdpo
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,228
    Nigelb said:

    What's Reform's favourite Austen novel ?

    Bribe and Prejudice.

    Nonsense and Insensibilty
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687
    algarkirk said:

    Reform's collapse is remarkable. They had two 10 point leads in early June. For the moment I can't see their way back. Now Labour have a sure footed leader (at least until Monday), the next sane stage would be a clear repudiation by the Tories of Reform, Restore, Lozza, etc and all their works and in six months time we would be creeping back to something resembling two party politics. FWIW I don't think 'Tories most seats' is value unless one believes that they will replace Badenoch with someone prime ministerial.

    Currently Farage is the new Starmer - he cannot do anything right and the media have turned on him. And he is stuck in a joke by election.

    NOM is 11/18. Not a bet to tie up money now, but if it's the same odds six months out from the election and Reform are still close to 20% it would look pretty good.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,363
    edited 9:00AM
    ..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Would be the one sensible plan he has proposed so far.

    A move that would help him squeeze the Reform vote though not the Green vote
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,418
    HYUFD said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    On free speech grounds apparently. He also said Tuchel played Kane too defensively having once played golf with the England striker

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjej3y1jgdpo
    To be fair to Tuchel, Kane does that on his own initiative, all Tuchel could have done is sub him which he was clearly not going to do.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164
    HYUFD said:

    Trump is a complete treacherous shit:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rmjk0740o

    On free speech grounds apparently.
    Bollocks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,164
    algarkirk said:

    Reform's collapse is remarkable. They had two 10 point leads in early June. For the moment I can't see their way back. Now Labour have a sure footed leader (at least until Monday), the next sane stage would be a clear repudiation by the Tories of Reform, Restore, Lozza, etc and all their works and in six months time we would be creeping back to something resembling two party politics. FWIW I don't think 'Tories most seats' is value unless one believes that they will replace Badenoch with someone prime ministerial.

    Currently Farage is the new Starmer - he cannot do anything right and the media have turned on him. And he is stuck in a joke by election.

    It's not a collapse, their polling is solid, but it's now a core vote level that's ossified and not a GE winning level.

    There was a time they were in the low 30s and Farage was almost equal as best PM.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited 9:09AM
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Would be the one sensible plan he has proposed so far.

    A move that would help him squeeze the Reform vote though not the Green vote
    Would be the one sensible plan he has proposed so far.

    A move that would help him squeeze the Reform vote though not the Green vote, 56% of Reform voters opposed the ban on new North Sea oil and gas developments whereas 51% of Green voters backed it. Could help Labour in Scotland where 45% oppose the ban on new North Sea fossil fuel extraction with just 37% in favour (in England and Wales it is tied, 39% opposed, 38% in favour).

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54503-how-do-scots-feel-about-new-north-sea-oil-and-gas-developments.

    Trump would be pleased with Burnham on this too, as Trump backs new North Sea oil drills
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
    It's not wrong at all. If I put the milk in first I know that I've got exactly the amount of milk I want. I only do this at home as I control all other variables such as using the same tea bags, teapot and amount of water. It results in perfect tea just the way I want it. If you put the milk in last it's too easy to overpour.
    And then we come to the vexed question of what to do with the used teabag. What sort of degenerate leaves the soggy sac by the side of the sink?

    I live with such a person so I suppose I should ask her.
    Straight into the composting bin under the sink, with the potato peelings, coffee grounds and other veg waste. Empty the bin onto the actual compost bin every couple of days or so. Free compost.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    algarkirk said:

    Reform's collapse is remarkable. They had two 10 point leads in early June. For the moment I can't see their way back. Now Labour have a sure footed leader (at least until Monday), the next sane stage would be a clear repudiation by the Tories of Reform, Restore, Lozza, etc and all their works and in six months time we would be creeping back to something resembling two party politics. FWIW I don't think 'Tories most seats' is value unless one believes that they will replace Badenoch with someone prime ministerial.

    Currently Farage is the new Starmer - he cannot do anything right and the media have turned on him. And he is stuck in a joke by election.

    Badenoch leads Farage, Starmer and Polanski comfortably on best PM polling now and is neck and neck with Burnham. Kemi is now doing fine on looking prime ministerial, it is just the Tory baggage from the last government still holding the Conservative voteshare down a bit
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,869
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting move...

    "Burnham to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c935yx2z9d4o

    Would be the one sensible plan he has proposed so far.

    A move that would help him squeeze the Reform vote though not the Green vote
    Elections are won from the centre, currently with way under 40% of the votes. If Reform remain a threat the Green vote will squeeze itself because of tactical voting. Lots of Reform votes are no threat to Labour because they are in the 250+ seats he doesn't need to get to 325 (or 275 + LD). He can afford to, and it is essential to, pick the seats and voters with care. If he drills for oil and gas in UK interest (or says he will) instead of buying it from Johnny foreigner he will lose few votes and gain some.

    The centre ground on net zero/environment says: it's a good target and UK is doing OK on it but we are not interested in conspicuous or virtue signalling martyrdom if Trump, China and India are not.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    If Burnham really is going to drill for oil and gas in the North Sea, it's the best news we've had for a very long time in my opinion. He deserves to go ahead in the polls for a while at least.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,797

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Burnham is solidly working class - milk first in his tea. Top man!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/17/andy-burnham-tea

    I put milk in first - but not with a teabag.
    That's just wrong.

    Socks with sandals ... is he a LibDem ?
    It's not wrong at all. If I put the milk in first I know that I've got exactly the amount of milk I want. I only do this at home as I control all other variables such as using the same tea bags, teapot and amount of water. It results in perfect tea just the way I want it. If you put the milk in last it's too easy to overpour.
    And then we come to the vexed question of what to do with the used teabag. What sort of degenerate leaves the soggy sac by the side of the sink?

    I live with such a person so I suppose I should ask her.
    Straight into the composting bin under the sink, with the potato peelings, coffee grounds and other veg waste. Empty the bin onto the actual compost bin every couple of days or so. Free compost.
    I'm with TUD's cohabitee here. You need to let it dry out before it goes in the food waste bin. Minimises seepage.
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