Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Speaking of fish, the long wait is over as regards sardines. I found some. Only the ones in tomato sauce though. Nothing yet in olive oil (which is my preferred product).
Sainsbury's advertise them. Don't they have them?
Just the ones in tomato sauce. I'll keep at it though.
Whole Foods do them, in several varieties, all posh and yummy
There's a branch about ten feet from me, but I'd prefer it if you'd locate one further away, thanks
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
"We’re now getting more on what was discussed in Islamabad as Pakistan hosted talks with Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia on Sunday as part of its efforts to broker an end to the Iran war.
Initial discussions focused on proposals to reopen the critical strait of Hormuz to shipping, sources familiar with the matter have told Reuters, some of which have already been floated to Washington.
A source from Pakistan said proposals, including from Egypt, had been forwarded to the White House before Sunday’s meeting and that they included Suez Canal-style fee structures."
Presumably we will hear from Kemi soon to condemn it.
We had Jehovahs Witnesses' canvassing across the road from one of our pubs on Saturday morning.
I made an excuse and left!
I have always found JWs don't hang around if I simply agree with whatever they have said as their starting line and then enquire of they would like to know more about my Christian faith (which is so wet liberal that it happily embraces the JWs as long as I don't have to listen to them for long.)
Every party is the NIMBY party. They talk a game at national level. But then…
Which is why I predict that the attempts at increasing house building from Starmer will be u-turned after May.
One of the squares the Green will need to make into a circle is their strong NIMBYism locally, with the massive support for house building and infrastructure among the young.
'...the massive support for house building and infrastructure among the young.' 50% of voters aged 18-24 and 62% of voters aged 25-49 oppose building new housing on 'green belt land' not massively lower than the 76% of over 65s who oppose building new homes on the greenbelt. 64% of 2024 Green voters and 59% of 2024 Labour voters oppose building new homes on the greenbelt.
Labour's core vote is about as YIMBY as you can get- if they can't get housebuilding happening, we really are stuffed.
(Meanwhile, of course Reform are NIMBY. Older homeowners, many of them via RTB, whose main asset is their house which was way cheaper when they bought it.)
Yimby and environmentally conscious
Which is why the Tory energy policy to be launched tomorrow is fundamentally dangerius, pointless, built on false logic and from a Party who utterly spaffed up and wasted the golden bonus from the peak North Sea days and then exacerbated their utter ineptitude by doing nothing in 14 years in power worthwhile to secure our energy future.
@Richard_Tyndall who is in the industry comprehensively debunked your comments on this
Kemi is leading on this with the support of the unions,SNP, upto 40 labour mps and others
Your anti Kemi views are well known but repeating fake news is sadly, your modus operandi
Others who are experts within the industry and with billions invested within the industry do not agree with Richard Tindall.
Thats a fact
As for Kemi, her shadow energy secretary had a polar opposite view in Government to Kemi now
Kemi is Kemi
A foghorn, she's well suited to the North Sea is is simply irrelevant.
I understand she's staying at Trumps Golf Course near Aberdeen
I hope she remembers to declare that.
I've looked up Richard Tyndall
With respect
He's made his living working on Oil Rigs
Drill baby Drill
Respect the knowledge but he's hardly likely to advocate as stopping drilling
It a bit like the guy who pulls the guillotine being pro capital punishment.
For the last few years I have made my living shutting down oil fields. I actually make a much better living shutting them down than I did drilling them. We are in the process of abandoning a field that still has 1 billion barrels of recoverable oil in it. One field. How stupid do you have to be to think that is a good idea?
And for the last 20 odd years on PB I have advocated stopping burning fossil fuels because they are too imprtant for too many other aspects of our modern life.
If you are going to go for the ad hominem attacks, again it helps if you actually get your basic facts right. You should try it some time, it might be a new experience for you.
You protesteth too nuch
Oil is a commodity that has had its time.
There could be 10 billion barrels it's still unprofoitable to drill and pump and to be sold at extortionate prices to the detriment of a climate that has been destroyed by fossil fuel extraction and burning.
Yes - the stone age didn't end when we ran out of stone.
The oil age won't end by us running out of oil. There will still be oil left in the ground. It will be uneconomic to recover it. That could be quite soon for most oil. There will be a residual need for oil (pharmaceuticals, maybe plastics) just as there is a residual need for stone (roads, buildings). But the oil age will end soon.
Different fractions of crude oil are used for different petroleum products. As it is distilled, petrol is obtained first at 25C, then naphtha, which is used to make chemicals, then kerosene for aviation fuel, etc., and finally bitumen at 350C. So what I imagine will happen is that we will use the same amount of oil, but the parts used for gasolene or jet fuel will be burned off, as they were before the internal combustion engine was invented, or used for other purposes.
This is the old way of doing things. But these days we are more able to 'recombine' fractions so there is no need to wste any of the product.
Edit: Also worth pointing out that North Sea Oil is ideally suited for this sort of high end product as it is (generally) low in sulphur and has a higher API (the gravity of the oil which reflects its quality and potential uses). There are exceptions. The Tartan/Piper fields are notorious for being high in H2S. You can smell it as you land on the platform.
The bit I don't understand is why so many people are so keen to extract and burn our relatively modest reserves of oil and gas when they will be desperately needed for chemicals, pharmaceuticals, fertilizers, etc. in the future. Surely the sensible thing to do would be to extract them as judiciously as possible so that our children are not left completely at the mercy of foreign powers with more reserves when ours have run dry (so to speak, I know it's not as simple as that)?
If you shut in production now, then restarting the fields in the future will be vastly more expensive.
Meanwhile, the Norwegians…
If we extract everything from the fields now, restarting the fields in the future will be impossible.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Palestinians are Semitic, you numpty.
They speak a Semitic language, but nobody means anti-speakers-of-Semitic-languages when they say antisemite
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
In the podcast she comes across as loyal, but also somewhat accepting that he really fucked up
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Utterly disgusting, until the next sentence when you propose the same for the only Jewish nation
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Again, like @rcs1000, you're imagining and projecting. I'm not saying any of this is good. I'm stating the cold hard facts, however unpalatable
I also note that your solution to this is ejecting the Jews to Ethiopia. At least you didn't choose Madagascar
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Leavers can own it ! The Boriswave should be called the Brexitwave !
I think the big battle in the Green Party will not be between the traditional Green activists and the left populists. That battle has been decisively won and the former vanquished and marginalised. The coming battle will be between the left populists and the left ideologues. 1/2
Populists are often vague on detail but hot on emotionally-driven soundbites in order to maximise votes. Ideologues are much keener on detailed policy, even if those policies are tantamount to electoral suicide. We've already seen this play out on the right between Farage v Lowe.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Again, like @rcs1000, you're imagining and projecting. I'm not saying any of this is good. I'm stating the cold hard facts, however unpalatable
I also note that your solution to this is ejecting the Jews to Ethiopia. At least you didn't choose Madagascar
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Leavers can own it ! The Boriswave should be called the Brexitwave !
I don't disagree. It was Leavers, especially Boris, that allowed the Boriswave. I still don't know why or how it happened, and I do not buy the "whoops we let in four million people by accident" bollocks
Yes, the Brexiteers did it, yes they should own it, no, Boris should not be allowed to forget it
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Again, like @rcs1000, you're imagining and projecting. I'm not saying any of this is good. I'm stating the cold hard facts, however unpalatable
I also note that your solution to this is ejecting the Jews to Ethiopia. At least you didn't choose Madagascar
I know enough about the history of Judaism to know there are very strong links with Ethiopia.
The errors were made by Balfour on haste and good intentions.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Calculatingly hyperbolic, I think you mean, not 'candid'. Candid means being grounded and honest about a difficult subject.
Eg unless there's an improvement in our ageing demographics or our sustainable growth rate we won't be able to afford even mediocre public services without significantly higher taxes than we pay today.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
He addressed that very eloquently. He named the Treaties we will have to scrap, and the laws we must repeal
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
Kemi is getting hammered on Ch4. She's hopeless under pressure. HYUFD knows what he's on about.
You say you're coming back. You're on 17% is that what you call 'coming back?'
It is a pity as Kemi has done some good work on policy reviews and shoring up party finances and she would have made a good party chairman.
Was she overpromoted becoming party leader? Clearly you and some voters think so. Cleverly would at least have the weight and gravitas of a holder of 2 Great Offices of State behind him as LOTO, having been Foreign and Home Secretary
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Leavers can own it ! The Boriswave should be called the Brexitwave !
The subject of todays 'The Rest Is Politics'. A real possibility that Labour will go into the next election offering to Rejoin. An 8% rise in GBP and several countries have provisionally said yes they want us
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
Unless the KitKat heist is an insurance scam then, yes, I believe it is true that tonnes of KitKats have been stolen.
I wonder where they will end up? I can imagine a film being made about the attempt of an insurance assessor to prove that the theft didn't happen, while a detective tries to track them down as they are distributed across Europe.
A bit like a cross between the Thomas Crowne Affair and Intermission.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
In the podcast she comes across as loyal, but also somewhat accepting that he really fucked up
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
Scout-not-soldier question... What was Boris thinking? Or the people doing Boris's thinking?
Was it a ploy to keep the GDP total going up (or not going down), or public services going?
Was it that Team Boris took their eye off the ball?
Was it a naive (but foolish) belief in the Commonwealth?
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
The annexation of Lebanon South of the Litani river begins. Greater Israel project, as voiced by far right Israel cabinet member Smotrich last week, in action
‘ BREAKING: Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has announced an expansion of Israel's invasion of southern Lebanon.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
He addressed that very eloquently. He named the Treaties we will have to scrap, and the laws we must repeal
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
@Brixian59 see my post above. The annexation of Lebanon below the Litani river begins too.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Leavers can own it ! The Boriswave should be called the Brexitwave !
Because the idea that five times as many non-eu immigrants were required to replace EU immigrants is very, very silly.
Unless you object to them being brown. Which I hope you don't.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
He addressed that very eloquently. He named the Treaties we will have to scrap, and the laws we must repeal
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
Goebbels was very eloquent
He named the treaties and laws they would repeal
He was no different to Yusuf
A cretinous Fascist
Says the man who proposes to deport all the Jews to Ethiopia
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
You imagine it would be a marathon investigation, but it's not like the chocolate will be as far away as Mars, or somewhere else in the milky way. No snickers at the back!
I think the big battle in the Green Party will not be between the traditional Green activists and the left populists. That battle has been decisively won and the former vanquished and marginalised. The coming battle will be between the left populists and the left ideologues. 1/2
Populists are often vague on detail but hot on emotionally-driven soundbites in order to maximise votes. Ideologues are much keener on detailed policy, even if those policies are tantamount to electoral suicide. We've already seen this play out on the right between Farage v Lowe.
Darren Johnson was my councillor at one point. He's a sensible guy and this is a really good point.
At the moment, the left populists have the upper hand - Polanski has zero interest in serious policy-making and every interest in the sound of his own voice. But the potential for Your Party to be a playground for ideologues is diminishing as they fade rapidly into irrelevance, and a lot of those who enjoy lengthy discussions about whether a Trotskyist or Maoist approach to fortnightly bin collections represents a purer form of socialism are moving to the Greens. Ideally, of course, there would be a happy medium... but I very much doubt it'll be found with the sorts of people involved.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
In the podcast she comes across as loyal, but also somewhat accepting that he really fucked up
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
Scout-not-soldier question... What was Boris thinking? Or the people doing Boris's thinking?
Was it a ploy to keep the GDP total going up (or not going down), or public services going?
Was it that Team Boris took their eye off the ball?
Was it a naive (but foolish) belief in the Commonwealth?
Or something else?
What makes it even stranger is that similar waves happened elsewhere, especially in Canada
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
In the podcast she comes across as loyal, but also somewhat accepting that he really fucked up
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
Scout-not-soldier question... What was Boris thinking? Or the people doing Boris's thinking?
Was it a ploy to keep the GDP total going up (or not going down), or public services going?
Was it that Team Boris took their eye off the ball?
Was it a naive (but foolish) belief in the Commonwealth?
Or something else?
They didn't think the numbers would be that high, and didn't change course quicky enough when they turned out to be.
Turns out a kenyan without FoM has more immigration hussle than a Romanian with FoM.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
In the podcast she comes across as loyal, but also somewhat accepting that he really fucked up
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
Scout-not-soldier question... What was Boris thinking? Or the people doing Boris's thinking?
Was it a ploy to keep the GDP total going up (or not going down), or public services going?
Was it that Team Boris took their eye off the ball?
Was it a naive (but foolish) belief in the Commonwealth?
Or something else?
What makes it even stranger is that similar waves happened elsewhere, especially in Canada
It was a reaction to the pandemic, and part of an attempt to ensure that economies recovered quickly, but it got out of control because governments mostly don't have systems set up for timely monitoring of data. Which is why no-one started talking about the Boriswave until three PMs later.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
I think the big battle in the Green Party will not be between the traditional Green activists and the left populists. That battle has been decisively won and the former vanquished and marginalised. The coming battle will be between the left populists and the left ideologues. 1/2
Populists are often vague on detail but hot on emotionally-driven soundbites in order to maximise votes. Ideologues are much keener on detailed policy, even if those policies are tantamount to electoral suicide. We've already seen this play out on the right between Farage v Lowe.
Darren Johnson was my councillor at one point. He's a sensible guy and this is a really good point.
At the moment, the left populists have the upper hand - Polanski has zero interest in serious policy-making and every interest in the sound of his own voice. But the potential for Your Party to be a playground for ideologues is diminishing as they fade rapidly into irrelevance, and a lot of those who enjoy lengthy discussions about whether a Trotskyist or Maoist approach to fortnightly bin collections represents a purer form of socialism are moving to the Greens. Ideally, of course, there would be a happy medium... but I very much doubt it'll be found with the sorts of people involved.
Seems to me the Greens would have been better served by YourParty actually getting its shit together.
But that ship is well and truly sailed.
Can't see now how they will ever get an actual functioning party in operation.
Are they even standing more than a handful of candidates in local elections 2026???
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Only smarties have the answer
Bueno.
(By the way, revived dark chocolate Kinder Bueno out now. Banging.)
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
In the podcast she comes across as loyal, but also somewhat accepting that he really fucked up
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
Scout-not-soldier question... What was Boris thinking? Or the people doing Boris's thinking?
Was it a ploy to keep the GDP total going up (or not going down), or public services going?
Was it that Team Boris took their eye off the ball?
Was it a naive (but foolish) belief in the Commonwealth?
Or something else?
What makes it even stranger is that similar waves happened elsewhere, especially in Canada
It was a reaction to the pandemic, and part of an attempt to ensure that economies recovered quickly, but it got out of control because governments mostly don't have systems set up for timely monitoring of data. Which is why no-one started talking about the Boriswave until three PMs later.
It did create the comic moment when the head of some care home groups went to No.10 to protest about the ending of their right to recruit directly abroad.
To be told that they should try recruiting among the many thousands of people they had got visas for. Who weren't working for them.
Kemi is getting hammered on Ch4. She's hopeless under pressure. HYUFD knows what he's on about.
You say you're coming back. You're on 17% is that what you call 'coming back?'
It is a pity as Kemi has done some good work on policy reviews and shoring up party finances and she would have made a good party chairman.
Was she overpromoted becoming party leader? Clearly you and some voters think so. Cleverly would at least have the weight and gravitas of a holder of 2 Great Offices of State behind him as LOTO, having been Foreign and Home Secretary
Kemi upsetting @Roger and others on the left who would have no interest voting conservative no matter who the leader is, is not something she will lose a moments sleep for
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
It would be very encouraging to hear that the indigenous children (if any) thrive under those circumstances.
I don't think there are any white British kids there, except occasionally very briefly. But there are some groups of immigrants there who do value education, but the school struggles to support because it expends all its energy on the problems of the one largest and most challenging group. (It's a secondary school, btw.)
Heroically, management amd staff are trying to come up with ways to make things better. I don't know how they muster the spirit to get up 8n the morning, but they do.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
It's not remotely delusional. It just needs a radical change of climate. Which can happen. It's always happening. There won't always be Trump and Netanyahu. Both will probably generate kickback. Imagine the US withdrawing its political and military support from Israel unless serious progress is made on a state for the Palestinians. Sure, Israel with its 'nukes' could say no and opt for a long term future as the North Korea of the Middle East, impoverished, isolated, surrounded by hostility but safe from actual invasion. But I doubt they would. You're too influenced by the current bleak state of affairs imo. Raise your head a bit.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
Although it will end up in some people having to get their Rowntrees Macintoshes.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
He addressed that very eloquently. He named the Treaties we will have to scrap, and the laws we must repeal
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
Goebbels was very eloquent
He named the treaties and laws they would repeal
He was no different to Yusuf
A cretinous Fascist
I can actually feel my IQ ebb as I read your utter drivel. The fact that you argued earlier that this was 'intellectual argument' or a similar description is beyond irony.
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
He was very good. Also, the balls on the guy to go to town on Boris whilst being interviewed by his sister!
Does his sister like him?
Dunno, but I think she likes him and Carrie more than she likes Yusuf. But she stuck it out and still did a good job interviewing him. And he (as Leon indicates) did a good job being interviewed.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
It's not remotely delusional. It just needs a radical change of climate. Which can happen. It's always happening. There won't always be Trump and Netanyahu. Both will probably generate kickback. Imagine the US withdrawing its political and military support from Israel unless serious progress is made on a state for the Palestinians. Sure, Israel with its 'nukes' could say no and opt for a long term future as the North Korea of the Middle East, impoverished, isolated, surrounded by hostility but safe from actual invasion. But I doubt they would. You're too influenced by the current bleak state of affairs imo. Raise your head a bit.
Israel has other options so you shouldn't overestimate the leverage that the US has.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
With all due respect, your choice of language is almost exactly the same as those who said the Ukrainians should just lie down for the Russians. Because, heck, they're going to win anyway.
And your view would also be a lot more plausible if Israeli behaviour in the West Bank had changed post October 7. But that annexation/invasion has continued in just the same way as before.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
On the West Bank, the Palestinians seem to want to get on with picking their olives and looking after their sheep. It is the settlers who are bellicose.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Utterly disgusting, until the next sentence when you propose the same for the only Jewish nation
Are the Jews asking for it?
It is disgusting to suggest the forced deportation of Jews from Israel.
But it is no less disgusting to propose the same for the Palestinians in the West Bank.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
Anyone else making terrible confectionary related puns should be exiled as far away as possible. Like Mars.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
It's not remotely delusional. It just needs a radical change of climate. Which can happen. It's always happening. There won't always be Trump and Netanyahu. Both will probably generate kickback. Imagine the US withdrawing its political and military support from Israel unless serious progress is made on a state for the Palestinians. Sure, Israel with its 'nukes' could say no and opt for a long term future as the North Korea of the Middle East, impoverished, isolated, surrounded by hostility but safe from actual invasion. But I doubt they would. You're too influenced by the current bleak state of affairs imo. Raise your head a bit.
Israel has other options so you shouldn't overestimate the leverage that the US has.
Or underestimate it. Without US support Israel could not behave the way that it has grown accustomed to. An anti-Israel (or just neutral) US administration would be a game changer for the region.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Utterly disgusting, until the next sentence when you propose the same for the only Jewish nation
Are the Jews asking for it?
It is disgusting to suggest the forced deportation of Jews from Israel.
But it is no less disgusting to propose the same for the Palestinians in the West Bank.
It is of course worth remembering the whole reason Israel exists at all is because of the forced deportation of the Jews. And yes, they started in Europe but since 1948 and especially 1967 it has been forced deportations from Muslim countries, including Iran.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
Should we have acquiesced to the German occupation of Paris?
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
Anyone else making terrible confectionary related puns should be exiled as far away as possible. Like Mars.
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
Should we have acquiesced to the German occupation of Paris?
Are irrelevant analogies ever helpful?
I don't think it's irrelevant. The reason that people think there is somthing fundamentally illegitimate about Israel is that it's on 'Arab' land, but you could make a similar argument about European Turkey.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
Anyone else making terrible confectionary related puns should be exiled as far away as possible. Like Mars.
This made me laugh.
[snickers]
Any more like that and we'll all be coming up Roses.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
It's not remotely delusional. It just needs a radical change of climate. Which can happen. It's always happening. There won't always be Trump and Netanyahu. Both will probably generate kickback. Imagine the US withdrawing its political and military support from Israel unless serious progress is made on a state for the Palestinians. Sure, Israel with its 'nukes' could say no and opt for a long term future as the North Korea of the Middle East, impoverished, isolated, surrounded by hostility but safe from actual invasion. But I doubt they would. You're too influenced by the current bleak state of affairs imo. Raise your head a bit.
Israel has other options so you shouldn't overestimate the leverage that the US has.
Or underestimate it. Without US support Israel could not behave the way that it has grown accustomed to. An anti-Israel (or just neutral) US administration would be a game changer for the region.
Israel might form a military alliance with Russia instead.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
Anyone else making terrible confectionary related puns should be exiled as far away as possible. Like Mars.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
Anyone else making terrible confectionary related puns should be exiled as far away as possible. Like Mars.
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
Russia is far more invested in Tories and Reform than Socialists.
Kemi is getting hammered on Ch4. She's hopeless under pressure. HYUFD knows what he's on about.
You say you're coming back. You're on 17% is that what you call 'coming back?'
It is a pity as Kemi has done some good work on policy reviews and shoring up party finances and she would have made a good party chairman.
Was she overpromoted becoming party leader? Clearly you and some voters think so. Cleverly would at least have the weight and gravitas of a holder of 2 Great Offices of State behind him as LOTO, having been Foreign and Home Secretary
Kemi upsetting @Roger and others on the left who would have no interest voting conservative no matter who the leader is, is not something she will lose a moments sleep for
Normally that would be correct and she or any other Tory leader would not be bothered what leftwingers thought of her but we are not in normal circumstances. The Conservatives are polling third in most polls and Conservatives will need some leftwingers to have some respect for their leader so they are willing to hold their noses if they live in a Conservative held seat and vote for an incumbent Conservative councillor or MP to beat Reform
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
(2) This does have the advantage of shortening supply chains, which is an advantage as globalisation unravels.
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
Russia is far more invested in Tories and Reform than Socialists.
Thats where they pump their money.
That certainly got nothing in return from the Tories. Apart from Mother-In-Law missiles up the jaxy.
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
(2) This does have the advantage of shortening supply chains, which is an advantage as globalisation unravels.
This is the kind of radical thinking that will Move Britain Forward.
Now all we need is a plan to reduce unemployment by persuading people to jump off the Cliffs of Dover. And declare war on the Pixies.
Iran says that US/Israeli forces bombed electric infrastructure in Tehran a short while ago, leading to major power outages.
Which will, of course, absolutely assist in further turning the population of Tehran against the regime, and not at all upset the very people most likely to at least try and rise up against it again.
Oh, hang on...
To quote my Blackadder, a war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High King of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 10,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
At least with Iraq there was a plan, even if it proved a bad one.
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
(2) This does have the advantage of shortening supply chains, which is an advantage as globalisation unravels.
This is the kind of radical thinking that will Move Britain Forward.
Now all we need is a plan to reduce unemployment by persuading people to jump off the Cliffs of Dover. And declare war on the Pixies.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
It's not remotely delusional. It just needs a radical change of climate. Which can happen. It's always happening. There won't always be Trump and Netanyahu. Both will probably generate kickback. Imagine the US withdrawing its political and military support from Israel unless serious progress is made on a state for the Palestinians. Sure, Israel with its 'nukes' could say no and opt for a long term future as the North Korea of the Middle East, impoverished, isolated, surrounded by hostility but safe from actual invasion. But I doubt they would. You're too influenced by the current bleak state of affairs imo. Raise your head a bit.
Israel has other options so you shouldn't overestimate the leverage that the US has.
Or underestimate it. Without US support Israel could not behave the way that it has grown accustomed to. An anti-Israel (or just neutral) US administration would be a game changer for the region.
Israel might form a military alliance with Russia instead.
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place. 2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
(2) This does have the advantage of shortening supply chains, which is an advantage as globalisation unravels.
This is the kind of radical thinking that will Move Britain Forward.
Now all we need is a plan to reduce unemployment by persuading people to jump off the Cliffs of Dover. And declare war on the Pixies.
Why? What's Hazel Blears done to upset you?
Sir Mortimer Chris: To be quite honest, Nigel; the pieces only started to fit together last week. I was visiting a factory in Stockport. Literally hundreds had lost their jobs, and no wonder, the place was crawling with them. Nigel Lipman: With pixies? Sir Mortimer Chris: Yes; sprites, elven folk. Which is why I am beginning this campaign. Nigel Lipman: I see. [pause] Nigel Lipman: What campaign? Sir Mortimer Chris: The Stamp Out Evil Pixies campaign! The public have to be educated on this one, Nigel. [cut to him being interviewed] Sir Mortimer Chris: They're about two foot tall, and the worst ones [he holds up an empty jar] Sir Mortimer Chris: are the invisible ones!
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
I presume the owner of the kitkat bars has been told to just jot down the crime number and that's the end of the investigation?
Perhaps Nestlé will announce that there is a bounty for the successful recovery of the KitKats?
I hope the police have got some real Smarties working on the case.
Oh God what have I started????
Punfests are one of the regular Revels here.
So many brands of ket* to choose from. This could turn into a Marathon punfest.
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
Anyone else making terrible confectionary related puns should be exiled as far away as possible. Like Mars.
Fresh hell latest:
"Pascall Pineapple Lumps are an iconic New Zealand confectionery, featuring a soft, chewy pineapple-flavoured center coated in milk chocolate."
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
Should we have acquiesced to the German occupation of Paris?
Are irrelevant analogies ever helpful?
I don't think it's irrelevant. The reason that people think there is somthing fundamentally illegitimate about Israel is that it's on 'Arab' land, but you could make a similar argument about European Turkey.
There's a five hundred year difference, which is why it's irrelevant.
A better analogy might be the Windrush generation, which of course many on the right that you're fans of do want to send home.
But even then, there are loads of differences that make that analogy irrelevant. Analogy as a form of argument is like trying to dig a trench with a teaspoon - it might look like it has the right form, but it's wholly unequal to the task.
Kemi is getting hammered on Ch4. She's hopeless under pressure. HYUFD knows what he's on about.
You say you're coming back. You're on 17% is that what you call 'coming back?'
It is a pity as Kemi has done some good work on policy reviews and shoring up party finances and she would have made a good party chairman.
Was she overpromoted becoming party leader? Clearly you and some voters think so. Cleverly would at least have the weight and gravitas of a holder of 2 Great Offices of State behind him as LOTO, having been Foreign and Home Secretary
Kemi upsetting @Roger and others on the left who would have no interest voting conservative no matter who the leader is, is not something she will lose a moments sleep for
Normally that would be correct and she or any other Tory leader would not be bothered what leftwingers thought of her but we are not in normal circumstances. The Conservatives are polling third in most polls and Conservatives will need some leftwingers to have some respect for their leader so they are willing to hold their noses if they live in a Conservative held seat and vote for an incumbent Conservative councillor or MP to beat Reform
Kemi will close in on Reform given time and is far and away the popular leader in the party, as difficult as you find this
Look where your so called white knight is on this list
There are other more popular candidates than your new hero anyway
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
Should we have acquiesced to the German occupation of Paris?
Are irrelevant analogies ever helpful?
I don't think it's irrelevant. The reason that people think there is somthing fundamentally illegitimate about Israel is that it's on 'Arab' land, but you could make a similar argument about European Turkey.
There's a five hundred year difference, which is why it's irrelevant.
A better analogy might be the Windrush generation, which of course many on the right that you're fans of so want to send home.
But even then, there are loads of differences that make that analogy irrelevant. Analogy as a form of argument is like trying to dig a trench with a teaspoon - it might look like it has the right form, but it's wholly unequal to the task.
Wait.
Aren't you arguing against analogy as argument via... an analogy?
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
Fundamentally your premise is:
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
No it's not, and I object to your construal
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
Utterly disgusting.
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
Should Constantinople be given back to the Greeks?
Should we have acquiesced to the German occupation of Paris?
Are irrelevant analogies ever helpful?
I don't think it's irrelevant. The reason that people think there is somthing fundamentally illegitimate about Israel is that it's on 'Arab' land, but you could make a similar argument about European Turkey.
There's a five hundred year difference, which is why it's irrelevant.
A better analogy might be the Windrush generation, which of course many on the right that you're fans of so want to send home.
But even then, there are loads of differences that make that analogy irrelevant. Analogy as a form of argument is like trying to dig a trench with a teaspoon - it might look like it has the right form, but it's wholly unequal to the task.
Wait.
Aren't you arguing against analogy as argument via... an analogy?
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
He addressed that very eloquently. He named the Treaties we will have to scrap, and the laws we must repeal
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
Goebbels was very eloquent
He named the treaties and laws they would repeal
He was no different to Yusuf
A cretinous Fascist
Says the man who proposes to deport all the Jews to Ethiopia
Says the man who proposes to deport all the Palestinians to Tower Hamlets.
The only way Israel can govern the Gaza Strip without becoming an external oppressor of “another people” is to remove “the other people” from the confines of the Gaza Strip itself. https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2037794771058495738
Once all other solutions have been eliminated, then whatever is left ...
The good news is there are plenty of Muslim countries in the region people could go to. The bad news, is none of them want them.
So you’re saying this is the final solution to the Palestine question ?
No, I would not accept your implied gas chambers or executing of innocents.
But the movement of people has successfully ended many a conflict. Including the movement of Germans post WWII, and recently the exodus of Nagorno-Karabakh.
If it could be done peacefully, it might be the least worst option, considering the lack of stomach to eliminate Hamas.
I agree with the Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post. There's no future in Gaza for the Palestinians, and Israel cannot really have a deeply resentful armed enclave like that.
BUT the corollary to that must be that Gaza residents are moved to the West Bank, and Israeli settlers moved out, never to return. That way, the Israelis no longer have a Gaza problem, and the Palestinians no longer have a settler problem. Everyone gets something good, nobody gets everything they want.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the current Israeli government is dependent on the votes of the Settler parties. That means that Israeli government policy is to continue the creeping annexation/invasion of the West Bank, with the Palestinians being squeezed into ever smaller spaces.
Yes. And that should be opposed by the UK (not that we can do anything about it). But if I were PM I would gear UK policy in that direction. Recognise Palestine but only in the West Bank, not Gaza. Ostracise the settlers and their networks of support, but defend Israel's sovereignty within its legal borders. I think that would be a wise, distinctive and principled policy.
Your West Bank solution is noble, but would not work. After October 7, Israel will not tolerate a large anti-Semitic population within a few yards of Israel itself. Everything Israel has done since indicates that it is working towards a more drastic and final solution (sorry) to the Palestinian "problem"
There is no future for the Palestinians in Palestine. This is a dismal fact, but it is a fact. Ironically the crazy Trump had the best idea. Stuff their hungry mouths with gold and give them lovely land somewhere else, a distance from Jerusalem. Buy them condos and limos. Let the whole world pay as the whole world will benefit. Then develop Gaza into a new Dubai on the Med
That isn't a fact. A change in the US, distancing themselves from Israel, using their leverage aggressively in favour of viable Palestinian statehood, could be transformative. And big changes are possible in the US. We know this.
Israel is a nuclear state with a ferocious intention to preserve itself as a Jewish homeland. Unless America - or any other country - is willing to go to the brink of nuclear war with them, or actually start a nuclear war, then in the end Israel will prevail
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Some truth there but I think you're overstating it. That's not a viable long term future for Israel and it's perfectly possible (probable even) that in time, and with a suitably strong steer from the US, a more far-sighted pragmatic less ideological less bellicose Israeli leadership would emerge that would realise this.
For that to work, ever, you would need - simultaneously - a less bellicose, less ideological, less Islamist Palestinian people to emerge, not a bunch of angry people led by terrorists who want to kill every Jew they see. There is almost zero prospect of this, so your idea is delusional
It's not remotely delusional. It just needs a radical change of climate. Which can happen. It's always happening. There won't always be Trump and Netanyahu. Both will probably generate kickback. Imagine the US withdrawing its political and military support from Israel unless serious progress is made on a state for the Palestinians. Sure, Israel with its 'nukes' could say no and opt for a long term future as the North Korea of the Middle East, impoverished, isolated, surrounded by hostility but safe from actual invasion. But I doubt they would. You're too influenced by the current bleak state of affairs imo. Raise your head a bit.
Israel has other options so you shouldn't overestimate the leverage that the US has.
Or underestimate it. Without US support Israel could not behave the way that it has grown accustomed to. An anti-Israel (or just neutral) US administration would be a game changer for the region.
Israel might form a military alliance with Russia instead.
Iran says that US/Israeli forces bombed electric infrastructure in Tehran a short while ago, leading to major power outages.
Which will, of course, absolutely assist in further turning the population of Tehran against the regime, and not at all upset the very people most likely to at least try and rise up against it again.
Oh, hang on...
To quote my Blackadder, a war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High King of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 10,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
At least with Iraq there was a plan, even if it proved a bad one.
"Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do if I catch one!"
Goodwin doubling down on his race baiting dishonesty.
In more than 2,000 schools in England today a majority of children no longer speak English as their main language. My critics might not think that tells us something important about what is happening to our country. But I do. And I will not change my view https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2037792677266162089
He has become the country's leading stand up philosophers.
The study states that they included "maintained, mainstream schools"
Included, or only included?
From page 25
"We used the School Level Database (SLD) from the ASC January 2013 to examine the variation in the proportion of EAL students at the school level. We selected all maintained, mainstream schools in England. Additionally we eliminated 32 very small maintained schools (10 or fewer students on roll). The resulting population contained 20,033 schools."
Ok, thanks. So they don't know the difference between maintained schools and academies. That's a rocky start in terms of their credibility.
From a quick googling around, there were a couple of thousand academies in 2013.
Edit : the report is from 2015 and doesn't seem to have an axe to grind over immigration. More about identifying areas where support is required.
Further Edit: they say - "Almost a quarter of all schools (22.1%) have less than 1% EAL, and over half (54%) have less than 5% of student with EAL. However at the other extreme 1,681 schools (8.4%) have a majority of students with EAL. This does not support headlines such as that in the Daily Telegraph (31/01/14) that "English is no longer the first language for the majority of pupils at one in nine schools"
Right, so it's not the survey, it's Goodwin misusing it by presenting out of date material. I withdraw my slur on their credibility.
I think it entirely possible that if a study found 1681 schools were found to have a majority on non-english speakers in 2013, that in 2026 the number is higher.
Given that we have had lots of immigration in the last 13 year, probably inevitable. If you import lots of furriners, then you'll get lots of people talkiin' the furrin.
So we just need to make sure we put enough resources into getting them up to speed in English. Which, according to the report has a direct, definite and completely unsurprising effect on educational attainment.
Edit: Goodwin is still Badfail, of course.
The report is interesting, and worth reading.
And, yes, it is entirely possible -probable even- that the number of schools where English is not the first language has risen since 2013. However, what is likely to have changed significantly is who the parents are. Back in 2013, a lot of those parents (and kids) will have been from the EU Eastern European 8. Because that was where the majority of immigration was from.
13 years later, we've left the EU, and net immigration from Eastern Europe is -IIRC- currently negative.
Instead we've had the Boriswave, bringing mostly people from outside Europe. And I suspect that those immigrants have settled in different parts of the country.
So there might well be an interesting 'switch' in where the majority non-English students are.
(As an aside: I went to a majority non-English speaking school in Bedford. All my friends from there who spoke Urdu/Gujerati/etc at home when kids, speak English at home now. So their kids won't be from English as a second language kids.)
My kids' primary school has gone from negligible EASL to c.50% EASL in the 11 years I have been a parent there. I should stress that they are largely the sort of EASL kids who ate very much tryimg to learn English and to integrate - HK and Indian are the top two nationalities. I live in a comfortable middle class area and realistically *difficult* immigrants are priced out.
However I do know quite a bit about a school with a less favourable experience in a deprived area of South Yorkshire: 60% of the kids there are Roma from Slovakia, typically: - from families where no women and under 10% of men are economically active - living upwards of 12 people to an unfurnished two bedroom house - from families where education is in no way value - from two villages in Slovakia which are functionally at war with each other. They are here living in these conditions because, incredibly, life in Slovakian Roma villages is much, much worse. Seriously. Google them. And because they face much less discrimination here than in Slovakia. But they have no sense of permanence or investment in the UK, and are constantly sparring with the authorities over crime and benefit fraud.
In these conditions education is challenging.
Of the 40% who are not Roma, the next most prominent ethnic group are Somali.
So, the experience of education at majority EASL schools is variable.
These people need to be expelled. They should never have been allowed in, we will bankrupt the country supporting them for the next ten generations
It's hard to escape that conclusion.
I listened to a Daily T podcast with Zia Yusuf, and the Telegraph team, today. Yusuf is a very impressive speaker, lucid, clever, forthright. Vastly better than almost anyone on the Tory and Labour front benches. He's a genuine talent, and Farage was wise to make peace with him
He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Yes, but not a single one will leave.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
He addressed that very eloquently. He named the Treaties we will have to scrap, and the laws we must repeal
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
Goebbels was very eloquent
He named the treaties and laws they would repeal
He was no different to Yusuf
A cretinous Fascist
Says the man who proposes to deport all the Jews to Ethiopia
Says the man who proposes to deport all the Palestinians to Tower Hamlets.
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He was candid about this problem. There are people now in the country that we cannot afford to keep here, as they will cost hundreds of billions to maintain in their state of unemployment and welfare dependency, Unless technology saves us, we will have to choose between national bankruptcy or a much more hard nosed approach to citizenship and residency. There is no alternative
Israeli Jews should have more rights that Palestinians.
And it also gives Israel a pass for its behaviour over the years; don't you think the creeping invasion of the West Bank increased hostility to Israel and to Jews? And don't you think there is so culpability because the Israeli government chose to fund Hamas, because Netanyahu wanted an implacable opponent?
"We’re now getting more on what was discussed in Islamabad as Pakistan hosted talks with Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia on Sunday as part of its efforts to broker an end to the Iran war.
Initial discussions focused on proposals to reopen the critical strait of Hormuz to shipping, sources familiar with the matter have told Reuters, some of which have already been floated to Washington.
A source from Pakistan said proposals, including from Egypt, had been forwarded to the White House before Sunday’s meeting and that they included Suez Canal-style fee structures."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/mar/29/middle-east-crisis-live-explosions-tehran-yemen-houthis-iran-war-updates-trump-us-israel-strikes-lebanon
I made no moral case at all (and indeed, if asked, I would morally side with the Palestinians, quite probably)
I am stating realpolitik. Israel is a nuclear state. It is prepared to go to extreme lengths to prevent itself, and the Jewish people, from being wiped out. It has decided - I believe - that following October 7 it will no longer tolerate Palestinians who often want to slaughter Jews, to live anywhere near Israel. It is thus making Gaza (and less briskly the West Bank) uninhabitable for Palestinians
The Palestinians do not have nukes, and they don't have any Arab country willing to seriously fight Israel on their behalf. Ergo, unless they want to spend another 70 years in total misery, the best solution is for them to move
This is the lesson of the last seven decades
It's not like we don't accept morally intolerable shit elsewhere. China's occupation of Tibet is a disgrace, tantanount to a cultural genocide (cf the Uighurs). Do we do anything about it? No. Because it's China and it is immensely powerful and nothing can be done
Forced repatriation from their homeland.
Why is this happening
NETANYAHU
Maybe it's time to move the Jewish State to a more suitable location.
Ethiopia might suit.
The industry and work ethic of Jewish people could revitalise Africa.
Leaving Palestine to the Palestinians.
And you surely know this?
She said he loathes the word "Boriswave". I bet he does. But then, he shouldn't have allowed the Boriswave, should he? It has destroyed his political career. His name and reputation is now tied to this calamity, he will never have another really senior political role in Britain
Are the Jews asking for it?
I also note that your solution to this is ejecting the Jews to Ethiopia. At least you didn't choose Madagascar
Darren Johnson
@DarrenJohnson66
I think the big battle in the Green Party will not be between the traditional Green activists and the left populists. That battle has been decisively won and the former vanquished and marginalised. The coming battle will be between the left populists and the left ideologues. 1/2
Darren Johnson
@DarrenJohnson66
Populists are often vague on detail but hot on emotionally-driven soundbites in order to maximise votes. Ideologues are much keener on detailed policy, even if those policies are tantamount to electoral suicide. We've already seen this play out on the right between Farage v Lowe.
https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2038205774455873829
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One thing we do know. The Left love a schism.
Can’t see any problem with that
Yes, the Brexiteers did it, yes they should own it, no, Boris should not be allowed to forget it
The errors were made by Balfour on haste and good intentions.
There's a gordian knot of law and treaties preventing it, and a whole establishment dedicated to maintaining it.
Eg unless there's an improvement in our ageing demographics or our sustainable growth rate we won't be able to afford even mediocre public services without significantly higher taxes than we pay today.
That's being candid.
It's the first time I've really listened to him, and he's excellent. Far better than, say, his Labour or Tory equivalents as Home Sec. And not just because I agree with him, but on the more basic level that he's clearly intelligent, and he's thought things through. He doesn'w waffle and deflect
Two thoughts this evening.
First, would the relegation of Tottenham Hotspur to the Championship be the most significant event to occur in Europe since the Ottomans stormed Constantinople in 1453?
Second, is it true 400,000 KitKat bars have been stolen? Police are going to need a break to solve this crime.
Was she overpromoted becoming party leader? Clearly you and some voters think so. Cleverly would at least have the weight and gravitas of a holder of 2 Great Offices of State behind him as LOTO, having been Foreign and Home Secretary
I wonder where they will end up? I can imagine a film being made about the attempt of an insurance assessor to prove that the theft didn't happen, while a detective tries to track them down as they are distributed across Europe.
A bit like a cross between the Thomas Crowne Affair and Intermission.
Was it a ploy to keep the GDP total going up (or not going down), or public services going?
Was it that Team Boris took their eye off the ball?
Was it a naive (but foolish) belief in the Commonwealth?
Or something else?
‘ BREAKING: Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has announced an expansion of Israel's invasion of southern Lebanon.
Sky's @sparkomat reports from Jerusalem.
trib.al/0xrUakA’
https://x.com/skynews/status/2038289069642223908?s=61
He named the treaties and laws they would repeal
He was no different to Yusuf
A cretinous Fascist
Unless you object to them being brown. Which I hope you don't.
At the moment, the left populists have the upper hand - Polanski has zero interest in serious policy-making and every interest in the sound of his own voice. But the potential for Your Party to be a playground for ideologues is diminishing as they fade rapidly into irrelevance, and a lot of those who enjoy lengthy discussions about whether a Trotskyist or Maoist approach to fortnightly bin collections represents a purer form of socialism are moving to the Greens. Ideally, of course, there would be a happy medium... but I very much doubt it'll be found with the sorts of people involved.
Turns out a kenyan without FoM has more immigration hussle than a Romanian with FoM.
But that ship is well and truly sailed.
Can't see now how they will ever get an actual functioning party in operation.
Are they even standing more than a handful of candidates in local elections 2026???
(By the way, revived dark chocolate Kinder Bueno out now. Banging.)
To be told that they should try recruiting among the many thousands of people they had got visas for. Who weren't working for them.
She’s got some decent stuff going but some of her interviews are not good.
(It's a secondary school, btw.)
Heroically, management amd staff are trying to come up with ways to make things better. I don't know how they muster the spirit to get up 8n the morning, but they do.
Whether you think climate change is a myth or not, can anyone explain why this is a good idea?
*Ket is a term for sweets used in the north east. Nowt to do with ketamine.
And your view would also be a lot more plausible if Israeli behaviour in the West Bank had changed post October 7. But that annexation/invasion has continued in just the same way as before.
But it is no less disgusting to propose the same for the Palestinians in the West Bank.
Are irrelevant analogies ever helpful?
[snickers]
1) Expel all Socialists to Russia. I hear they have strong links with the place.
2) Addicts are incurable and even in an apparently sober state a risk to future state finance. So expel all (ex-)heroin addicts to Afghanistan.
I liked her "oops!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea1c8WwEfNk
Thats where they pump their money.
Iran says that US/Israeli forces bombed electric infrastructure in Tehran a short while ago, leading to major power outages.
Now all we need is a plan to reduce unemployment by persuading people to jump off the Cliffs of Dover. And declare war on the Pixies.
Oh, hang on...
To quote my Blackadder, a war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High King of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 10,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
At least with Iraq there was a plan, even if it proved a bad one.
Sir Mortimer Chris: To be quite honest, Nigel; the pieces only started to fit together last week. I was visiting a factory in Stockport. Literally hundreds had lost their jobs, and no wonder, the place was crawling with them.
Nigel Lipman: With pixies?
Sir Mortimer Chris: Yes; sprites, elven folk. Which is why I am beginning this campaign.
Nigel Lipman: I see.
[pause]
Nigel Lipman: What campaign?
Sir Mortimer Chris: The Stamp Out Evil Pixies campaign! The public have to be educated on this one, Nigel.
[cut to him being interviewed]
Sir Mortimer Chris: They're about two foot tall, and the worst ones
[he holds up an empty jar]
Sir Mortimer Chris: are the invisible ones!
"Pascall Pineapple Lumps are an iconic New Zealand confectionery, featuring a soft, chewy pineapple-flavoured center coated in milk chocolate."
Google.
A better analogy might be the Windrush generation, which of course many on the right that you're fans of do want to send home.
But even then, there are loads of differences that make that analogy irrelevant. Analogy as a form of argument is like trying to dig a trench with a teaspoon - it might look like it has the right form, but it's wholly unequal to the task.
Look where your so called white knight is on this list
There are other more popular candidates than your new hero anyway
https://conservativehome.com/2026/03/05/shadow-cabinet-league-table-badenoch-may-not-be-popular-with-starmer-but-shes-dominant-with-conservatives/
Aren't you arguing against analogy as argument via... an analogy?
I'm going to assume it's deliberate irony