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Punters still have more faith in Zack Polanski than Kemi Badenoch – politicalbetting.com

There’s two things that continue to amaze me, firstly the Greens for most of the last month have been ahead of the Tories, secondly that Restore price, a party that has never had an MP elected under the Restore banner.

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  • TazTaz Posts: 26,327
    edited 7:58AM
    The public are nuts if they have any faith in that snake oil salesman.

    Corbynism on steroids.

    The Lib Dims, a party reminiscent of the controlled opposition in the former Eastern Europe, seems to be cosying up to them. Yet the Greens are not very liberal.

    We also had a green deflection in Waveney due to the leftward drift and an appeal from the local MP for it to remain inclusive party to all.

    Missed here, as not Reform I’d guess.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,421
    I’m surprised that many people even know Restore exist. As for the Greens well we live in strange times !
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,030
    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,421
    edited 8:04AM
    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,030
    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Apparently so. I don't know why MSM ignores them.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,248
    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,564
    I agree that the Tories are value. I could see them ditching Badenoch after the May elections (which will, of course, be a shitshow for them), installing Cleverly as leader and then gradually occupying the space of sensible alternative to a deeply unpopular Labour party at a time when more and more people are likely to decide that sensible is what is needed.

    That would, of course, be exacerbated if Labour ditch Starmer in favour of Miliband or Rayner (though I'm yet to be convinced that will happen).
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,848
    edited 8:15AM
    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,867
    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,781

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    A book gathering dust on a shelf is discarded. A book passed on and being read by someone else is being enjoyed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,581

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    Living in a bubble is the only way to make X usable.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,753

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    Not discard, I wouldn't throw them in the bin, but to donate/sell so that they can bring pleasure to others. They are not fetish objects.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,030

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    I would love to see the emergence of such figures and I would not care which party they were in. But I am not holding my breathe.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,030
    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    But social media is personal - so because I son't really use X and have never used TikTok I haven't a clue what is going on there..

    As I've pointed out before the world of personalised social media means we no longer know what news people are seeing and how much of that news reflects what is actually going on.
    Fairly serious implications there for betting on politics.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,490

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    I've got hundreds of books I am slowly throwing away. The local tip used to handle second-hand books but now asks only that they are chucked in the same skip as cardboard. The used book economy has disappeared since the days of readers using jumble sales (ask your gran) and charity shops as libraries: buying, reading, then donating back. I did once manage to offload some old computer books to a PBer but now it is back to the tip once the weather clears up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,581
    Deputy AG Todd Blanche: Why is there objection to sending ICE officers to polling places?
    https://x.com/HQNewsNow/status/2037216916536729645

    18 U.S. Code § 592
    Whoever, being an officer of the Army or Navy, or other person in the civil, military, or naval service of the United States, orders, brings, keeps, or has under his authority or control any troops or armed men at any place where a general or special election is held, unless such force be necessary to repel armed enemies of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both; and be disqualified from holding any office of honor, profit, or trust under the United States.

    ICE would seem to fall under that statute.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,753

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    The problem is that while "reform" of the NHS, welfare, immigration system etc goes down well as a concept, no-one agrees on what those "reforms" should be. Generally it means giving fat contracts to private contractors to administer worse services and cream off profits, and all done by a process of cosy cronyism.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,490
    George Osborne has just popped up courtesy of the YouTube algorithm. Here is a minute of the then Chancellor looking mesmerised by the Prime Minister's oratory:-


    Is George Osborne Okay?

    Have you had an accident at work? Did you fall and perhaps snort too much cocaine? Call this number...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrsPbtPjGfI
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,017
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,781

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    I've got hundreds of books I am slowly throwing away. The local tip used to handle second-hand books but now asks only that they are chucked in the same skip as cardboard. The used book economy has disappeared since the days of readers using jumble sales (ask your gran) and charity shops as libraries: buying, reading, then donating back. I did once manage to offload some old computer books to a PBer but now it is back to the tip once the weather clears up.
    Charity shops seem to do OK with books from what I see.

    Including Oxfam's dedicated books shops.

    All of my books go round the loop, or just get left behind if I finish a novel on a train, plane or hotel room.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,958

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    I've got hundreds of books I am slowly throwing away. The local tip used to handle second-hand books but now asks only that they are chucked in the same skip as cardboard. The used book economy has disappeared since the days of readers using jumble sales (ask your gran) and charity shops as libraries: buying, reading, then donating back. I did once manage to offload some old computer books to a PBer but now it is back to the tip once the weather clears up.
    That news has not yet reached rural Dorset where every village seems to have turned its red telephone box into a free book exchange 'library'.
    Got two of those down the bottom of our road in urban Brockley too. Generally well stocked.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,054
    Nigelb said:

    Deputy AG Todd Blanche: Why is there objection to sending ICE officers to polling places?
    https://x.com/HQNewsNow/status/2037216916536729645

    18 U.S. Code § 592
    Whoever, being an officer of the Army or Navy, or other person in the civil, military, or naval service of the United States, orders, brings, keeps, or has under his authority or control any troops or armed men at any place where a general or special election is held, unless such force be necessary to repel armed enemies of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both; and be disqualified from holding any office of honor, profit, or trust under the United States.

    ICE would seem to fall under that statute.

    Trump simply issues an executive order to confirm potential Democrat voters with two arms are to be considered armed enemies of the United States.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,017
    @BeegJj

    Before the war, Iran was exporting 1.1M barrels of oil at $47 a barrel

    Right now they're exporting 1.5M barrels of oil at ~$120 a barrel

    https://x.com/BeegJj/status/2036920832694395119?s=20
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,867

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,017
    @Microinteracti1
    I showed a Trump post to my psychologist friend and asked her to do a proper profile. This was, in retrospect, like asking a vet to look at a particularly diseased badger.

    She put down her coffee, read it twice, and said: “Right. Where do you want me to start?”

    The all-caps, she explained, isn’t emphasis. It’s dysregulation. A regulated adult uses punctuation to signal importance. Trump uses volume, because volume is what worked in the room he grew up in. Fred Trump’s household rewarded dominance and punished weakness. Donald learned early that the loudest person wins. He never updated that software. He never updates anything. The man is essentially Windows Vista with a spray tan.

    “NATO HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.” The word absolutely is doing a lot of work there. Psychologists call this black-and-white thinking, a cognitive pattern strongly associated with narcissistic personality structures. The world is either total loyalty or total betrayal. No middle ground. No nuance. No evidence of a functioning cerebral cortex.

    “MILITARILY DECIMATED.” She paused on this one. Self-glorification dressed as fact, she said. He has no military background, never served, and has a well-documented terror of illness and physical danger. Bone spurs, famously. Four of them. One per deferment. So he compensates verbally, hard and consistently, because words are his only battlefield and even there he fights like a man wearing oven mitts.

    “THE U.S.A. NEEDS NOTHING FROM NATO.” The people who most loudly declare their independence, she said, are almost always the most terrified of abandonment. Classic counterdependence. The kid who announces he doesn’t need friends. In the playground. Alone. Eating his lunch next to a bin.

    The threat with no content, “NEVER FORGET THIS VERY IMPORTANT POINT IN TIME,” she found genuinely fascinating. It has the grammatical structure of consequence without any actual consequence attached. It’s what you say when you want to punish someone but lack both the means and the attention span to follow through.
    And then the signature. His own name. On his own platform. As if the man might otherwise forget who he is halfway through a sentence, which, to be fair, seems increasingly plausible.

    She sat back and said: “This is a man who has been pretending to be formidable for so long he can no longer locate the frightened little boy underneath. But he’s still there. He’s always there. TACO is always there. Screaming in capital letters at people who stopped listening years ago.”

    I paid for the coffee. It was the least I could do. She’s going to need therapy after this.

    https://x.com/Microinteracti1/status/2037131965149679656?s=20
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,998
    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I know what you mean, and it's politically important, but how much of that failure is real, and how much of it is a failure to meet overinflated expectations?

    I don't want to sound like a nun singng "count your blessings", but here and now is still a big prize in the lottery of life. To the extent that we can have multiple calamities, some of them self-inflicted, without the lights going out or 1930s style destitution.

    And the choice we have consistently made as voters is to do things on the cheap, to minimum spend patch'n'mend, in order to have lower taxes. That's a legitimate choice, but it has the consequences we see around us.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,414
    edited 8:34AM

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    I've got hundreds of books I am slowly throwing away. The local tip used to handle second-hand books but now asks only that they are chucked in the same skip as cardboard. The used book economy has disappeared since the days of readers using jumble sales (ask your gran) and charity shops as libraries: buying, reading, then donating back. I did once manage to offload some old computer books to a PBer but now it is back to the tip once the weather clears up.
    My Dad still seems able to donate books to his local charity shop (he's been thinning out his library gradually), and I gave some big fat fantasy books to the local RSPCA bookshop not so long ago. I can totally believe the second hand book market is in decline, but it's not dead yet. (There are two charity shops that are specifically bookshops within fifteen minutes walk of here: the RSPCA one plus an Amnesty, and then an Oxfam one further away in the middle of town. For profit second hand bookshops are a bit rarer.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,715
    F1: no tip, but a free bet should perhaps go on 12 for Norris and Piastri each way to top qualifying. Times look better in practice.

    https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2026/03/japan-2026-pre-qualifying.html
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,753
    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    But social media is personal - so because I son't really use X and have never used TikTok I haven't a clue what is going on there..

    As I've pointed out before the world of personalised social media means we no longer know what news people are seeing and how much of that news reflects what is actually going on.
    I deleted my X account some years ago, but am not surprised that Restore gets pushed there as Musk is a fan. The alogorithm pushes what Musk wants in a way that makes even the Murdoch press seem balanced and fair.

    Bluesky works differently and the blocking function is much better at suppressing bot and troll activity.

    My TikTok feed is a strange mix, but some manosphere and populist right stuff does creep in. I swipe past without engaging to keep the infestation to a minimum.

    So yes, we are all looking at different news on Social Media, which is why 3rd spaces like PB are valuable.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,606
    A few days ago, Venezuela beat the US in the final of the 2026 World Baseball Classic championship. Symbolic.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,030
    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,680
    Not surprising. Zack says things I agree with and in as far as you can tell he seems to hold those views sincerely. Badenoch by contrast seems insincere and more interested in personal aggrandisement than serving the interests of anyone but herself and her vanity.

    On a lighter note. 30 seconds of Jon Stewart..

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SRv2n5WTtbI
  • eekeek Posts: 33,049
    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,764

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    Someone told me I had no poetry in my heart earlier this morning when I refused to wax romantic about a kissing gate which blocks mobility aids from an otherwise perfectly accessible former railway :smile: !! :

    You have no poetry in your heart, and no kissing in your life.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,753

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle. We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves, then complain about the lack of trade.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,030
    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,486
    I saw a social media rumour that Nigel and Rupert have buried the hatchet (not sure where) and that Restore and Reform are soon to be united. I'm not really sure whether this would be good news or bad news for Reform.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,606
    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    F***, that is good.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,998
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
    In Whitby, having the dead as your customer base might be a viable business plan.

    The Romford branch limps on, and is probably has a healthier menu than you-know-who. But my daughters are creeped out by their mascot.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,030
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    But social media is personal - so because I son't really use X and have never used TikTok I haven't a clue what is going on there..

    As I've pointed out before the world of personalised social media means we no longer know what news people are seeing and how much of that news reflects what is actually going on.
    I deleted my X account some years ago, but am not surprised that Restore gets pushed there as Musk is a fan. The alogorithm pushes what Musk wants in a way that makes even the Murdoch press seem balanced and fair.

    Bluesky works differently and the blocking function is much better at suppressing bot and troll activity.

    My TikTok feed is a strange mix, but some manosphere and populist right stuff does creep in. I swipe past without engaging to keep the infestation to a minimum.

    So yes, we are all looking at different news on Social Media, which is why 3rd spaces like PB are valuable.
    I don't do X or TikTok, my info re Restore comes from YouTube. It would be surprising if BBC isn't aware of what's on YouTube because they're trying to bring it within the TV licensing remit.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,890
    edited 8:47AM
    The most seats market is incredible. Prices you wouldn’t have thought possible are being traded in decent size. For me both Labour and Tory look too big, but I suppose they might get bigger after a bloodbath in May
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,680
    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    Fantastic ad. Could it be Ken Loach?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,820
    edited 8:49AM
    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    But social media is personal - so because I son't really use X and have never used TikTok I haven't a clue what is going on there..

    As I've pointed out before the world of personalised social media means we no longer know what news people are seeing and how much of that news reflects what is actually going on.
    Polanski is all over mine (make if that what you will) and it’s such a positive vibe. My local Greens are also doing lots of upbeat videos about their work on cycle infrastructure, rent controls etc etc. It’s infectious even if you know deep down some of their policies don’t actually work.

    OTOH, my feed has also been full of horrific videos from Gaza over the just few years. I think PBers would do well to reflect on just how different the kind of bubble young-ish professionals like me live in versus pensioners or people from places like Clacton.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,247
    Foxy said:

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    Not discard, I wouldn't throw them in the bin, but to donate/sell so that they can bring pleasure to others. They are not fetish objects.
    Our policy is to (re)read the books and put them one by over into a book exchange. My guess is they get read an average of three additional times - once by each of us and once on average by someone else (some multiply read, some not read). Which is 3 more times than they otherwise would be read.

    At current rate of progress we will be 150 years old when we finish our last book.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,867
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle. We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves, then complain about the lack of trade.
    Accepting where we are is the first stage of the turnaround. But being in the EEA didn't mean that all was good. It was not. I could have said the exact same thing a decade ago and it was still valid. I'm pretty sure I *did* say all this back then.

    I hope that the fall of the American Empire allows the world to reshape itself. Europe will be less open and more focused on defence - we absolutely should be in that. The gulf will be less needy of American bases. China will continue to build its virtual empire as its soft power influence spreads everywhere via trade and investment.

    Britain? An energy superpower. A defence superpower. With world-class universities and clever people inventing things. We should be fine, but we're so terrified of the mess we are in that we seem inert and incapable of acting.

    A starter for 10. Set up a Skills University. Training the next generation of skilled craftsmen. Which swallows up the otherwise bankrupt and pointless universities like Sarfend and Uddersfield. With TV and social media making jobs doing actual things cool again.

    Which means we will need jobs for these new graduates. Huge tax incentives to existing and new businesses to hire and develop. Extend the tax incentive to other sectors - Asda can pay the lower rate of tax if it actually trains its staff.

    Understand the through the line process in making stuff. I'm addressing skills. We need industrial capacity, and we need to own it. Steel, Specialist Metals, Bricks, Cars, Ships, Planes, Trains. A sovereign investment fund our pension funds can support. We can sell stuff to Canadian Teachers pensions but not our own?

    Which party can do all that for me?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,066

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    never heard of them but then I don't subscribe to the crap media you mention , so assume they are for the dumb idiots who are easily taken in.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,764
    edited 8:54AM

    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    F***, that is good.
    Interesting and bold length - 3:35 minutes.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,486
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, [cliche] which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle [hackneyed metaphor] . We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves [hackneyed metaphor], then complain about the lack of trade.
    It's always funny reading remoaner arguments.
    There's never any figures, there's not even a simple explanation of how x has resulted in y. Just a heap of meaningless metaphors and cliches loosely held together by wounded spite. They cannot make a proper argument because there isn't one.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,395
    Foxy said:



    Rather scathing report on our submarine production from an Australian perspective. Looks like they are at the back of the queue despite all the hype over AUKUS.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/20/the-weakest-link-australias-submarine-hopes-depend-on-the-uk-but-britannia-no-longer-rules-the-waves?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Australia are going to get screwed. They aren't going to get any Virginias and also aren't going to get their money back. LMAO.

    They aren't going to see an SSN-AUKUS this side of 2040 and recent premature withdrawal of Anson from HMAS Stirling has shown the worth of British security guarantees.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,066
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    But social media is personal - so because I son't really use X and have never used TikTok I haven't a clue what is going on there..

    As I've pointed out before the world of personalised social media means we no longer know what news people are seeing and how much of that news reflects what is actually going on.
    Polanski is all over mine (make if that what you will) and it’s such a positive vibe. My local Greens are also doing lots of upbeat videos about their work on cycle infrastructure, rent controls etc etc. It’s infectious even if you know deep down some of their policies don’t actually work.

    OTOH, my feed has also been full of horrific videos from Gaza over the just few years. I think PBers would do well to reflect on just how different the kind of bubble young-ish professionals like me live in versus pensioners or people from places like Clacton.
    yes teh pensioners have a life and you have a phone stuck up your butt increasing your brain taking in extra crap, very telling why we are in the shit nowadays and all we hear is whining from a bunch of losers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,764
    pm215 said:

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    I've got hundreds of books I am slowly throwing away. The local tip used to handle second-hand books but now asks only that they are chucked in the same skip as cardboard. The used book economy has disappeared since the days of readers using jumble sales (ask your gran) and charity shops as libraries: buying, reading, then donating back. I did once manage to offload some old computer books to a PBer but now it is back to the tip once the weather clears up.
    My Dad still seems able to donate books to his local charity shop (he's been thinning out his library gradually), and I gave some big fat fantasy books to the local RSPCA bookshop not so long ago. I can totally believe the second hand book market is in decline, but it's not dead yet. (There are two charity shops that are specifically bookshops within fifteen minutes walk of here: the RSPCA one plus an Amnesty, and then an Oxfam one further away in the middle of town. For profit second hand bookshops are a bit rarer.)
    AIUI the Oxfam Newark bookshop takes them - that's where I took my last lot.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,606

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    I've got hundreds of books I am slowly throwing away. The local tip used to handle second-hand books but now asks only that they are chucked in the same skip as cardboard. The used book economy has disappeared since the days of readers using jumble sales (ask your gran) and charity shops as libraries: buying, reading, then donating back. I did once manage to offload some old computer books to a PBer but now it is back to the tip once the weather clears up.
    We have several charity shops locally that will take any books. There are also some bookswaps, where you just leave or take whatever: https://londonist.com/london/maps/a-map-of-london-bookswaps
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,910

    FPT

    To all the folk with hundreds of books you will never read again:

    Sell them, donate them to a charity shop, leave them on the bus. Just let them be read again. It's what they are for.

    Nope. Books far more than just something to read and discard. You have no soul!
    Yes. I have thousands, and at my age loads more than I shall ever read. And this is after disposing of a huge number, mostly to charity shops.
    How to understand this? It is like a weird wine cellar, where the enthusiast keeps all the old bottles he has drunk.

    The books collection is about where, in my head, I have travelled for 70 years; where I plan to go in the future; where I should like to go but probably never will; and just a few that are being drunk today/this week/this month.

    For me CDs (what are they) are similar. Life is too short to hear Busoni's piano concerto more than once. But on a pile is the CD which tells me that I once did it and lived to tell the tale.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,606

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, [cliche] which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle [hackneyed metaphor] . We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves [hackneyed metaphor], then complain about the lack of trade.
    It's always funny reading remoaner arguments.
    There's never any figures, there's not even a simple explanation of how x has resulted in y. Just a heap of meaningless metaphors and cliches loosely held together by wounded spite. They cannot make a proper argument because there isn't one.
    Brexit created barriers to trade. There, that's your simple explanation of how x has resulted in y.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,820
    edited 9:03AM
    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,980
    On the chart it looks like the Tories and Greens are both forecast the same number of seats. Otherwise Reform projected most seats but not over 50% so unlikely to get a majority and Labour just behind so if there was a hung parliament would depend on how many coalition partners they could each get. Restore even when it is included polling at less than 10% so unlikely to win any seats beyond maybe Lowe in Great Yarmouth
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,890
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
  • I saw a social media rumour that Nigel and Rupert have buried the hatchet (not sure where) and that Restore and Reform are soon to be united. I'm not really sure whether this would be good news or bad news for Reform.

    Probably would explain why Reform have started just actively attacking Muslims now.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,606
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Labour are taking forward Sunak's smoking ban.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,867

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, [cliche] which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle [hackneyed metaphor] . We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves [hackneyed metaphor], then complain about the lack of trade.
    It's always funny reading remoaner arguments.
    There's never any figures, there's not even a simple explanation of how x has resulted in y. Just a heap of meaningless metaphors and cliches loosely held together by wounded spite. They cannot make a proper argument because there isn't one.
    Brexit created barriers to trade. There, that's your simple explanation of how x has resulted in y.
    I need to send food samples UK to NL. Parcel Farce would send it to the moon by accident. DHL won't do food to EU because paperwork. USP will - but its faff - for £££
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,606
    HYUFD said:

    On the chart it looks like the Tories and Greens are both forecast the same number of seats. Otherwise Reform projected most seats but not over 50% so unlikely to get a majority and Labour just behind so if there was a hung parliament would depend on how many coalition partners they could each get. Restore even when it is included polling at less than 10% so unlikely to win any seats beyond maybe Lowe in Great Yarmouth

    Probability of winning most seats is not the same as a prediction of what proportion of seats you will win.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,890

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle. We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves, then complain about the lack of trade.
    Accepting where we are is the first stage of the turnaround. But being in the EEA didn't mean that all was good. It was not. I could have said the exact same thing a decade ago and it was still valid. I'm pretty sure I *did* say all this back then.

    I hope that the fall of the American Empire allows the world to reshape itself. Europe will be less open and more focused on defence - we absolutely should be in that. The gulf will be less needy of American bases. China will continue to build its virtual empire as its soft power influence spreads everywhere via trade and investment.

    Britain? An energy superpower. A defence superpower. With world-class universities and clever people inventing things. We should be fine, but we're so terrified of the mess we are in that we seem inert and incapable of acting.

    A starter for 10. Set up a Skills University. Training the next generation of skilled craftsmen. Which swallows up the otherwise bankrupt and pointless universities like Sarfend and Uddersfield. With TV and social media making jobs doing actual things cool again.

    Which means we will need jobs for these new graduates. Huge tax incentives to existing and new businesses to hire and develop. Extend the tax incentive to other sectors - Asda can pay the lower rate of tax if it actually trains its staff.

    Understand the through the line process in making stuff. I'm addressing skills. We need industrial capacity, and we need to own it. Steel, Specialist Metals, Bricks, Cars, Ships, Planes, Trains. A sovereign investment fund our pension funds can support. We can sell stuff to Canadian Teachers pensions but not our own?

    Which party can do all that for me?
    I would merge the existing universities with the technical colleges. Use that to break down the barriers between "Intellectual" and "physical" work - so you do a degree in Welding with a minor in Elizabethan Poetry. Or the reverse.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,820

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Hence my £100 tax refund idea for healthy BMI/5K under 30 mins/average over 10,000 steps. It would pay for itself over the long term.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,350

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Labour are taking forward Sunak's smoking ban.
    Don't forget serious Prime Minister in waiting Nigel's flagship policy for a Reform government is the reintroduction of smoking in pubs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,890

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
    In Whitby, having the dead as your customer base might be a viable business plan.

    The Romford branch limps on, and is probably has a healthier menu than you-know-who. But my daughters are creeped out by their mascot.
    In Whitby. isn't it those foreign, illegal immigrant undead?
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,327

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
    In Whitby, having the dead as your customer base might be a viable business plan.

    The Romford branch limps on, and is probably has a healthier menu than you-know-who. But my daughters are creeped out by their mascot.
    The living are just the dead on holiday
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,130
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AIUI, Restore has more members now than the Conservative Party.

    Good morning, everyone.

    It’s bizarre given the lack of any mainstream media attention . Maybe they’ve got a strong social media operation.
    Are you living in a bubble. Restore are EVERYWHERE on TokTok and X.
    But social media is personal - so because I son't really use X and have never used TikTok I haven't a clue what is going on there..

    As I've pointed out before the world of personalised social media means we no longer know what news people are seeing and how much of that news reflects what is actually going on.
    Polanski is all over mine (make if that what you will) and it’s such a positive vibe. My local Greens are also doing lots of upbeat videos about their work on cycle infrastructure, rent controls etc etc. It’s infectious even if you know deep down some of their policies don’t actually work.

    OTOH, my feed has also been full of horrific videos from Gaza over the just few years. I think PBers would do well to reflect on just how different the kind of bubble young-ish professionals like me live in versus pensioners or people from places like Clacton.
    My only social media presence apart from here is facebook because I am such a massive Gen X. However, my facebook feed is bafflingly left wing. Gaza, gaza, gammons-are-bad, gaza, green party, let's-laugh-at-people-whose-views-aren't-quite-as-achingly-progressive-as-ours, gaza, immigration-is-splendid, gaza. None of this do I engage in, and I try and hide some of the most irritating but it baffles me who the online world thinks I am.
    I do occasionally get the odd thing from a worthy local Lab or Con candidate. Never anything from Ref or Rest or any of that lot.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,164
    edited 9:18AM
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle. We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves, then complain about the lack of trade.
    Rubbish, since by my calculations the end of net EU contributions and additional regulatory and public spending freedoms roughly cancel out the hit to trade with the EU. I have posted those numbers on here before, and nobody seriously disputed them.

    Leaving the EU was neither a ball and chain nor a huge boost - much closer to a non-event for the economy overall, no matter what the impact on individual sectors.

    The real ball and chain have been the tax-waste-regulate governments we've inflicted on ourselves for the last few decades, at the national and European levels.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,890
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Hence my £100 tax refund idea for healthy BMI/5K under 30 mins/average over 10,000 steps. It would pay for itself over the long term.
    Not quite good enough.

    Part of the genius of the original Vitality scheme was that it had lots of different stuff in it - so rather than one simple way to get "points", lots of things to discuss, ponder over. Which sucks people in.

    A simple, small refund for steps wouldn't have that day-to-day involvement.

    Personally, I would hire the people behind the original scheme and ask them to build one for the NHS.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,980
    'Two hereditary peers who are set to be removed from the House of Lords will be allowed to keep their parliamentary passes and ceremonial positions.

    The Duke of Norfolk, Edward Fitzalan-Howard, and Lord Carrington won the concession after raising concerns privately about the need to keep their role in organising state occasions.

    The pair hold the inherited royal titles of Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain respectively, with responsibility for organising events involving the monarch in the Palace of Westminster.

    They will retain these roles when they lose the right to sit in the Lords along with dozens of other hereditary peers, under the Labour government's reforms of the upper house.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyr554vz6no
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,753
    edited 9:20AM
    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    Well, not zero. The video specifically opposes the racism and division that so much of our politics is about. It speaks for our common humanity.

    @NickPalmer has observed in the past that people choose their vote much more via vibe than by totting up a balance sheet of policies and cooly comparing to other parties.

    They ask themselves "is this a party that matches my values? Is this a party that gets my issues and will speak for me?"

    That is how Polanski is doing so well. The message is a very positive one, of hope, and one unafraid to speak for pluralism and modern Britain. This is a unique approach in current politics.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,066
    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
    In Whitby, having the dead as your customer base might be a viable business plan.

    The Romford branch limps on, and is probably has a healthier menu than you-know-who. But my daughters are creeped out by their mascot.
    The living are just the dead on holiday
    Who would want a shitburger over a nice fish supper, simple.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,980
    'A woman who defrauded more than £23,000 in benefits, claiming she was too ill to go outside, was caught surfing and ziplining in Mexico.

    Catherine Wieland, 33, claimed she suffered anxiety so crippling she was housebound but the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) found evidence of her surfing in Cancun and visiting Thorpe Park three times.

    Wieland, from Goring-by-Sea, West Sussex, claimed tens of thousands of pounds in Personal Independence Payments (Pip) over more than two years, spending the money on manicures, tanning sessions and trips to a private Harley Street dentist.

    On Thursday, she was given a 28-week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, the DWP said.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4vmw27x13o
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,867

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Health cover is on my list of stuff to do. As is completing paperwork on the new mortgage deal.

    I won't name my bank. We've had a mortgage with them for 20 years across several houses. This time we want to pull some equity to pay for improvements. All agreed on paper. Then we go through with their advisor. Who starts setting aside income as not income. OK, its income as far as HMRC are concerned, but not with them.

    Plan was decrease mortgage term and take equity. Now they tell me they must increase our term as "we can't afford it". New payment is hundreds less than current payment which we pay without issue. Hmmm. And then after a few days another email. I have included figures which are not income which misled them. Term increased again.

    Erm, I've quoted the data from my tax return. And sent you the returns and calculations. How have I misled you? Anyway, he's calling this afternoon to finalise the paperwork. Term now 3 years longer than we want, and every time they increase it we just increase the overpayment (we can pay almost DOUBLE inside the early repayment cap, so that's no problem).

    It's a farce. We can't repay our existing mortgage apparently because we can't afford it despite repaying. It's because we own our own businesses and take out what we need. So personal income is low even though business income is not. Yet more ways that Britain is anti-business.

    Why are even the Tories anti-business these days? Its crackers.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,327
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
    In Whitby, having the dead as your customer base might be a viable business plan.

    The Romford branch limps on, and is probably has a healthier menu than you-know-who. But my daughters are creeped out by their mascot.
    The living are just the dead on holiday
    Who would want a shitburger over a nice fish supper, simple.
    Yeah, when we go to Whitby we never think ‘I’ll get a mass produced crap burger from a US franchise’
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,225
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.

    And oor Tone.
    Apparently if the UK had suffered an Oct 7th we would have fllattened wherever those responsible came from, presumably killing proportionately 500k civilians, and Blair would be just fine with it (which I wouldn't doubt for a minute).

    Elvis Buñuelo
    @Mr_Considerate
    Tony Blair in The Free Press, is it.

    https://x.com/Mr_Considerate/status/2037304369649955146?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,581
    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    Fantastic ad. Could it be Ken Loach?
    Pretty heavily disguised if so. 😏
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,980
    'Keir Starmer set to offer a peerage to Sadiq Khan after May elections, in bid to pacify key critic

    There's been talk in No 10 of offering the London mayor a Cabinet role, acc to person familiar w/ situ, tho a No 10 official says suggestion is wrong'
    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/2037432061821075544?s=20
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,311

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.

    And oor Tone.
    Apparently if the UK had suffered an Oct 7th we would have fllattened wherever those responsible came from, presumably killing proportionately 500k civilians, and Blair would be just fine with it (which I wouldn't doubt for a minute).

    Elvis Buñuelo
    @Mr_Considerate
    Tony Blair in The Free Press, is it.

    https://x.com/Mr_Considerate/status/2037304369649955146?s=20
    An estimated 1 million civilians died in Iraq and Blair was fine with it, so what's 500k between friends?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,112
    edited 9:25AM

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.

    And oor Tone.
    Apparently if the UK had suffered an Oct 7th we would have fllattened wherever those responsible came from, presumably killing proportionately 500k civilians, and Blair would be just fine with it (which I wouldn't doubt for a minute).

    Elvis Buñuelo
    @Mr_Considerate
    Tony Blair in The Free Press, is it.

    https://x.com/Mr_Considerate/status/2037304369649955146?s=20
    I missed us razing West Belfast and Dublin from the 1960s onwards.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,890

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Health cover is on my list of stuff to do. As is completing paperwork on the new mortgage deal.

    I won't name my bank. We've had a mortgage with them for 20 years across several houses. This time we want to pull some equity to pay for improvements. All agreed on paper. Then we go through with their advisor. Who starts setting aside income as not income. OK, its income as far as HMRC are concerned, but not with them.

    Plan was decrease mortgage term and take equity. Now they tell me they must increase our term as "we can't afford it". New payment is hundreds less than current payment which we pay without issue. Hmmm. And then after a few days another email. I have included figures which are not income which misled them. Term increased again.

    Erm, I've quoted the data from my tax return. And sent you the returns and calculations. How have I misled you? Anyway, he's calling this afternoon to finalise the paperwork. Term now 3 years longer than we want, and every time they increase it we just increase the overpayment (we can pay almost DOUBLE inside the early repayment cap, so that's no problem).

    It's a farce. We can't repay our existing mortgage apparently because we can't afford it despite repaying. It's because we own our own businesses and take out what we need. So personal income is low even though business income is not. Yet more ways that Britain is anti-business.

    Why are even the Tories anti-business these days? Its crackers.
    Process Says No.

    It's will come down to quantifiable risk. Easy to work out risk numbers* if you take someone on PAYE, inhale their bank accounts etc.

    Someone running a small business. That requires judgement from a human and a decision based on that judgement. "Discretion" is a dirty word, Blackadder. Bit like "Crevice". People get in trouble for discretion. A number you can hide behind.

    *The actual risk number is probably bullshit. But the computer gives you a nice number.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,890

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.

    And oor Tone.
    Apparently if the UK had suffered an Oct 7th we would have fllattened wherever those responsible came from, presumably killing proportionately 500k civilians, and Blair would be just fine with it (which I wouldn't doubt for a minute).

    Elvis Buñuelo
    @Mr_Considerate
    Tony Blair in The Free Press, is it.

    https://x.com/Mr_Considerate/status/2037304369649955146?s=20
    An estimated 1 million civilians died in Iraq and Blair was fine with it, so what's 500k between friends?
    A start? (Too soon?)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,581
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    Well, not zero. The video specifically opposes the racism and division that so much of our politics is about. It speaks for our common humanity.

    @NickPalmer has observed in the past that people choose their vote much more via vibe than by totting up a balance sheet of policies and cooly comparing to other parties.

    They ask themselves "is this a party that matches my values? Is this a party that gets my issues and will speak for me?"

    That is how Polanski is doing so well. The message is a very positive one, of hope, and one unafraid to speak for pluralism and modern Britain. This is a unique approach in current politics.
    "Opposing division" isn't policy.
    It's a laudable sentiment.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,152
    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    The mainstream parties can't give the voters what they want because nobody can. The country is in gradual decline, massively overspending but people want more spent on everything (health, education, police, defence) but don't want to pay a penny more in tax.

    They will lurch towards extremes which will turn out to be far worse than the established parties. We have been here before. It won't end well
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,225

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.

    And oor Tone.
    Apparently if the UK had suffered an Oct 7th we would have fllattened wherever those responsible came from, presumably killing proportionately 500k civilians, and Blair would be just fine with it (which I wouldn't doubt for a minute).

    Elvis Buñuelo
    @Mr_Considerate
    Tony Blair in The Free Press, is it.

    https://x.com/Mr_Considerate/status/2037304369649955146?s=20
    I missed us razing West Belfast and Dublin from the 1960s onwards.
    Difficult to tell with the former.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,680

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    I think there is still a way forward for something I can only really term “radical centrism” and indeed I think it’s the only thing that can really get us out of our current predicament.

    I don’t think a majority of the electorate really want the divisive rhetoric of Reform or the Greens but they do want things to be done differently to how they have been - and both parties promise that. They’ve been let down so much by the two main parties that they are looking for an alternative.

    What we really need is someone who is unafraid of making big, bold, reforming decisions but who does not subscribe to the divisive viewpoints. I think the public will broadly accept reform of institutions like the NHS, planning and regulatory system, welfare state, asylum and immigration system, relationship with Europe, defence spending etc etc so long as they feel that the person behind it has a bold vision and a plan to make things better - on the centre right or centre left. Of course, such figures are sadly lacking from our politics at the moment. But it’s the emergence of figures like these that are what western economies really need in the next decade.
    We need to invest and trade our way out of the mess. So much of the high cost low value nature of so many sectors is because of partisan bickering moving the goalposts. This happens because we have completely lost our way as to who we are and where we want to go.

    More trade does not mean selling off everything. We need to get back to actually having British industrial giants capable of building the stuff we need. Start with steel, then car, train and shipbuilding, electronics, consumer goods etc. Harnessing both whats left of the north sea fossils and the growing wind & solar capacity. With turbines built here.

    It means that we need to actual educate, train and equip my kids generation to go out and compete with the world. All we equip them with today is debt that is almost impossible to repay. And don't get me started on the NHS bonfire where we can't propose to axe the endless layers of administrators because aren't our nurses marvellous? Not that we train nurses anymore.

    The challenge is "where do we get the money". To which my answer remains CAPITALISM. Borrow. Invest. ROI. Today we borrow and throw it on the bonfire. Throw a little less into the flames and buy a fire hose. An increase in cost briefly to greatly decrease it longer term.

    It just needs vision, to accept that we're in a mess and a change is needed. I cited 3 great reforms - Liberal, Labour, Tory. We need a 4th, and it won't be from those daft fukers in Reform or the Islamo-Commies in Green... Trade is the solution to the gulf mess, to the American mess, to the refugee mess.

    Trade. Free fucking trade. Make stuff. Sell stuff. The Rest Will Flow.
    Yep. Trade is good, [cliche] which is why Brexit is and remains a ball and chain around our ankle [hackneyed metaphor] . We are the nation that sanctiond ourselves [hackneyed metaphor], then complain about the lack of trade.
    It's always funny reading remoaner arguments.
    There's never any figures, there's not even a simple explanation of how x has resulted in y. Just a heap of meaningless metaphors and cliches loosely held together by wounded spite. They cannot make a proper argument because there isn't one.
    Brexit created barriers to trade. There, that's your simple explanation of how x has resulted in y.
    I need to send food samples UK to NL. Parcel Farce would send it to the moon by accident. DHL won't do food to EU because paperwork. USP will - but its faff - for £££
    I heard your political journey has moved on apace and you're now a Tory! When did this happen and what was it that attracted you to the the subtle charms of Kemi?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,583

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Are the vitality benefits still worth it?
    Seem to remember it could be worth £100s in activity holiday discounts when it started.

    The difference in life expectancy is another good argument for devolution, Scotland could unburden itself of the southern English living to 80+.
    Not many Scottish regions break 80.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,715
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    Well, not zero. The video specifically opposes the racism and division that so much of our politics is about. It speaks for our common humanity.

    @NickPalmer has observed in the past that people choose their vote much more via vibe than by totting up a balance sheet of policies and cooly comparing to other parties.

    They ask themselves "is this a party that matches my values? Is this a party that gets my issues and will speak for me?"

    That is how Polanski is doing so well. The message is a very positive one, of hope, and one unafraid to speak for pluralism and modern Britain. This is a unique approach in current politics.
    "Opposing division" isn't policy.
    It's a laudable sentiment.
    It's up there with "more nice things".
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,121
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:



    Rather scathing report on our submarine production from an Australian perspective. Looks like they are at the back of the queue despite all the hype over AUKUS.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/20/the-weakest-link-australias-submarine-hopes-depend-on-the-uk-but-britannia-no-longer-rules-the-waves?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Australia are going to get screwed. They aren't going to get any Virginias and also aren't going to get their money back. LMAO.

    They aren't going to see an SSN-AUKUS this side of 2040 and recent premature withdrawal of Anson from HMAS Stirling has shown the worth of British security guarantees.
    Should have stuck with the French.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,715
    OllyT said:

    DavidL said:

    The growth of both Reform and the Greens show that people have simply lost all faith in the mainstream parties. They are simply not delivering and haven't for a long time. People are exasperated and lashing out. That reluctance to make "tough" decisions that @Taz mentioned at the end of the previous thread has caused something approaching a disaster, a State that works for those employed by it and for very few others.

    Both Labour and the Tories (the Lib Dems are a lost cause) need to wake up and start to deal with reality or reality will finish with them.

    The mainstream parties can't give the voters what they want because nobody can. The country is in gradual decline, massively overspending but people want more spent on everything (health, education, police, defence) but don't want to pay a penny more in tax.

    They will lurch towards extremes which will turn out to be far worse than the established parties. We have been here before. It won't end well
    It's almost as if we really need to reduce the deficit. Not that that gets mentioned by anyone in the media or politics much.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,206
    edited 9:35AM

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Health cover is on my list of stuff to do. As is completing paperwork on the new mortgage deal.

    I won't name my bank. We've had a mortgage with them for 20 years across several houses. This time we want to pull some equity to pay for improvements. All agreed on paper. Then we go through with their advisor. Who starts setting aside income as not income. OK, its income as far as HMRC are concerned, but not with them.

    Plan was decrease mortgage term and take equity. Now they tell me they must increase our term as "we can't afford it". New payment is hundreds less than current payment which we pay without issue. Hmmm. And then after a few days another email. I have included figures which are not income which misled them. Term increased again.

    Erm, I've quoted the data from my tax return. And sent you the returns and calculations. How have I misled you? Anyway, he's calling this afternoon to finalise the paperwork. Term now 3 years longer than we want, and every time they increase it we just increase the overpayment (we can pay almost DOUBLE inside the early repayment cap, so that's no problem).

    It's a farce. We can't repay our existing mortgage apparently because we can't afford it despite repaying. It's because we own our own businesses and take out what we need. So personal income is low even though business income is not. Yet more ways that Britain is anti-business.

    Why are even the Tories anti-business these days? Its crackers.
    Process Says No.

    It's will come down to quantifiable risk. Easy to work out risk numbers* if you take someone on PAYE, inhale their bank accounts etc.

    Someone running a small business. That requires judgement from a human and a decision based on that judgement. "Discretion" is a dirty word, Blackadder. Bit like "Crevice". People get in trouble for discretion. A number you can hide behind.

    *The actual risk number is probably bullshit. But the computer gives you a nice number.
    As Malmesbury says, the income a bank is allowed to count as income for the purposes of affordability calculations is regulated by the FCA & is not necessarily the same as the income you report to HMRC, especially once credit analysts start interpreting the rules to protect the bank from accusations of mis-selling:

    https://api-handbook.fca.org.uk/files/sourcebook/MCOB.pdf
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,121

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Disgraced former Prime Ministers are going full-on bonkers to show the world what the UK endured over the last few years.

    Liz Truss gave a swivel-eyed speech at CPAC saying Britain had been taken over by Islamists and the shadowy global elite.

    And Boris Johnson is on GB News reciting sonnets.

    And oor Tone.
    Apparently if the UK had suffered an Oct 7th we would have fllattened wherever those responsible came from, presumably killing proportionately 500k civilians, and Blair would be just fine with it (which I wouldn't doubt for a minute).

    Elvis Buñuelo
    @Mr_Considerate
    Tony Blair in The Free Press, is it.

    https://x.com/Mr_Considerate/status/2037304369649955146?s=20
    I missed us razing West Belfast and Dublin from the 1960s onwards.
    The IRA killed QEII's cousin and she shook Martin McGuinness's hand.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,980
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    A Green Party ad suggests why they are doing well in the polls.

    Zero* policy, but very well done emotional appeal.
    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/2037197492631036043

    *Not net zero; just zero.

    Well, not zero. The video specifically opposes the racism and division that so much of our politics is about. It speaks for our common humanity.

    @NickPalmer has observed in the past that people choose their vote much more via vibe than by totting up a balance sheet of policies and cooly comparing to other parties.

    They ask themselves "is this a party that matches my values? Is this a party that gets my issues and will speak for me?"

    That is how Polanski is doing so well. The message is a very positive one, of hope, and one unafraid to speak for pluralism and modern Britain. This is a unique approach in current politics.
    He isn't doing that well, his party won one seat even Corbyn won in 2019 and in most polls is polling less than 20%. He is just making a shameless pitch for the Muslim vote over conflicts in the Middle East and his anti Israel and anti Trump stance despite the fact on social issues the Greens and conservative Muslims disagree on virtually everything
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,490
    HYUFD said:

    'A woman who defrauded more than £23,000 in benefits, claiming she was too ill to go outside, was caught surfing and ziplining in Mexico.

    Catherine Wieland, 33, claimed she suffered anxiety so crippling she was housebound but the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) found evidence of her surfing in Cancun and visiting Thorpe Park three times.

    Wieland, from Goring-by-Sea, West Sussex, claimed tens of thousands of pounds in Personal Independence Payments (Pip) over more than two years, spending the money on manicures, tanning sessions and trips to a private Harley Street dentist.

    On Thursday, she was given a 28-week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, the DWP said.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4vmw27x13o

    It sounds like someone grassed her up rather than detective work by the DWP's Miss Marples.

    No real penalty aside from needing to repay benefits and some minor embarrassment at the check-out if there is anyone left reading the local paper. And how will she repay benefits from no income?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,666

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Wendys opened in Whitby last year and closed last month due to lack of customers..
    Were they all dead?
    In Whitby, having the dead as your customer base might be a viable business plan.

    The Romford branch limps on, and is probably has a healthier menu than you-know-who. But my daughters are creeped out by their mascot.
    Wendy's lasted all of 6 months here in Ilford, a couple of years back, it's now a Popeyes.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,820
    edited 9:41AM
    Dopermean said:

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    In much more important news Civilisation, otherwise known as Wendys has arrived at the Dundee frontier. They apparently have special treats like loaded baconator fries and the double baconator burger, the latter being 2 square burger patties, cheese slices and loads of bacon (sounds like a heart attack on a plate to me). People also apparently partake of something called a vanilla Frosty and, incredibly, despite this being a dessert, dip their chips in it.

    On the plus side we may see the cost of pensions falling sharply but the short term consequences for the NHS are alarming. Do people really eat this stuff?

    Only two politicians have actually taken this seriously over the last decade, and it’s telling that both were Conservative Chancellors: Osborne with the sugar tax and Sunak with the ban on smoking.
    Nudge to save the NHS

    When the company I worked for starting using the Vitality private health insurance product from Prudential, even the most hardcore I-Never-Exercise types were walking the dog until the poor things feet were sore. For those who haven't encountered it - in addition to cut prices for gym and gym gear, it gives you rewards for doing exercise*, losing weight, having a full health check etc. Stuff like free cinema tickets.

    Apparently, the cost of the scheme was more than offset by the reduction in claims on the private health insurance.

    *As measure by Garmin/Apple Watch etc. Which you had purchased cheap through the scheme.
    Are the vitality benefits still worth it?
    Seem to remember it could be worth £100s in activity holiday discounts when it started.

    The difference in life expectancy is another good argument for devolution, Scotland could unburden itself of the southern English living to 80+.
    Not many Scottish regions break 80.
    Our healthy life expectancy is somewhat lacking, which is the real driver of health costs.

    Sadly there are very few Glaswegian octogenarians popping up the Arrochar Alps and suffering a catastrophic but ultimately low cost heart attack as a result.
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