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Ed Miliband is now the second favourite to be the next Prime Minister – politicalbetting.com

Following the reports that Ed Miliband led a cabinet revolt over events in Iran punters think this will go down well with Labour MPs and members who choose Labour leaders.

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,500
    edited March 6
    First!

    Unlike Ed Miliband
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited March 6
    Reposr from.thr last thread : Morning, P.B

    I can't see that scapegoating Miliband makes a lot of sense, given it was only a few weeks ago, during the Greenland crisis, that there was a rising lomg-term possibility even of U.S. action *against Eurooean nations and thr U.K.*. We are not the U.S, however close the pragmatic intersection of interest may sometimes
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    Boo!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    edited March 6
    Its comforting to think at least one Cabinet Minister has a functioning brain. Pity it's Ed but if the stories are true and he's said NO to this montrous invasion-and got Reeves and Cooper to join him- then he's definitely an upgrade.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324

    Reposr from.thr last thread : Morning, P.B

    I can't see that scapegoating Miliband makes a lot of sense, given it was only a few weeks ago, during the Greenland crisis, that there was a rising lomg-term possibility even of U.S. action *against Eurooean nations and thr U.K.*. We are not thr U.S, however close the pragmatic intersection of interest may sometimes

    The question is who leaked the information and why ?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,634
    edited March 6
    Good morning all! I see that @OldKingCole ’s smiling Reform polling agent lady will be smiling even more broadly this morning. The only other result from yesterday’s local by elections that surprised me was Reform losing the one in Easington.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,787
    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    D'you mean Syria?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,261

    Reposr from.thr last thread : Morning, P.B

    I can't see that scapegoating Miliband makes a lot of sense, given it was only a few weeks ago, during the Greenland crisis, that there was a rising lomg-term possibility even of U.S. action *against Eurooean nations and thr U.K.*. We are not thr U.S, however close the pragmatic intersection of interest may sometimes

    The question is who leaked the information and why ?
    Everyone is on manoeuvres. While Starmer isn’t done yet, the sands are running out.

    Unless the polling is off to the point of being meaningless, Labour will suffer epic defeats in Scotland, Wales and the local elections.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,659
    Ed Miliband. He was a problem then.

    He's an even bigger problem now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,659

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,659

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    D'you mean Syria?
    Which led to many more civilians being gassed and killed, and chemical weapons use being unpunished.

    Disgraceful.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    D'you mean Syria?
    Which led to many more civilians being gassed and killed, and chemical weapons use being unpunished.

    Disgraceful.
    To be honest, if Syria was the reference then my point was going to be that Miliband did favour intervention. But he refused to vote for Cameron's proposal and put forward his own. The numbers were so evenly balanced that even though almost everyone wanted some sort of intervention neither actual proposal passed.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited March 6
    I think Miliband's intervention in Syrria most likely again may have led to fewer people being killed in the long-tetm. It would have been far harder for a moderate and western-friendly Islamist government to emerge in a country where it would have been associated with U.S. chaos.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    However close the pragmatic intersection of long-term interests may *sometimes be*, that should have been.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,068
    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/2029829831777497510

    David Lammy: "... because Cyprus is part of NATO"

    erm, Cyprus is not a member of NATO. Maybe its just a slip of the tongue? Except he repeats the claim just a minute later

    "... Cyprus is a NATO country"

    Does the deputy PM not know that Cyprus isn't a member of a NATO?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,020
    On that second story- it's amazing with people with incidents like that in their background put themselves forward for political office. The self-confidence is just astonishing.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    Interesting if true. Israel have 2000 Brits who apparently fight for the IDF. How does that work?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    Lol. Trump is deranged, you are right. As is anyone willing to go along with his nonsense. The reality is that Trump's administration is a threat to our peace and prosperity, not to mention the fact of its support for the far right in this country who are coming after my children. Much as I hate the mad Mullahs I hope the Americans suffer a humiliating defeat in Iran so that they eventually learn to stop trying to be the schoolyard bully and stay out of our politics for good.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258

    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/2029829831777497510

    David Lammy: "... because Cyprus is part of NATO"

    erm, Cyprus is not a member of NATO. Maybe its just a slip of the tongue? Except he repeats the claim just a minute later

    "... Cyprus is a NATO country"

    Does the deputy PM not know that Cyprus isn't a member of a NATO?

    Deputy PM and former FS
    Thick as mince
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938
    Taz said:
    Are they the leader of Reform in Wales?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,805

    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/2029829831777497510

    David Lammy: "... because Cyprus is part of NATO"

    erm, Cyprus is not a member of NATO. Maybe its just a slip of the tongue? Except he repeats the claim just a minute later

    "... Cyprus is a NATO country"

    Does the deputy PM not know that Cyprus isn't a member of a NATO?

    Going on your evidence I am guessing not.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,762
    We may well have a chance in Eurovision given this is our song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niMKvJ-Itq8
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited March 6
    Andrew Neil is huffing and puffing with vast self-righteousness all over the media. How dare Starrmer, indeed !
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,536
    Roger said:

    Interesting if true. Israel have 2000 Brits who apparently fight for the IDF. How does that work?
    Dual nationals required to do national service in Israel?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,925
    The reports confirm what we already knew, that Ed is mad and unfit for office.

    But sadly, as with Corbyn, that might just be what the Labour members are looking for.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,673

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    The alternative was to let the Gadaffis massacre their enemies (including vast numbers of civilians), in the East of the country, something they had proclaimed their intention of doing, On top of that, Gadaffi had carried out numerous acts of war against this country. It was the Find Out stage of FAFO.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,241
    edited March 6

    Roger said:

    Interesting if true. Israel have 2000 Brits who apparently fight for the IDF. How does that work?
    Dual nationals required to do national service in Israel?
    Yes. Well, they were all dual nationals. Whether they were required to do national service is not stated: https://www.declassifieduk.org/over-2000-britons-served-for-israel-amid-gaza-genocide/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463
    At the moment Labour seems to be most focused on trying to head off the threat from the Greens and Ed Miliband's firm position against any UK action against Iran and outright opposition to the US and Israeli strikes could help him on that. Though given Miliband led Labour to defeat in 2015 against the Tories at a general election where Farage got his second best performance pre 2024 I doubt either the Tories or Reform would be concerned if he took over Labour
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,925
    Roger said:

    Interesting if true. Israel have 2000 Brits who apparently fight for the IDF. How does that work?
    Perfectly legal to join the military of another nation, especially allied democracies, and especially too for dual-nationals.

    That's not comparable to either terrorism or spying.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,261

    Roger said:

    Interesting if true. Israel have 2000 Brits who apparently fight for the IDF. How does that work?
    Dual nationals required to do national service in Israel?
    There are tons of dual nationals in the UK who have done, or will do, their national service. Given that national service is standard in many, many countries, this is entirely unsurprising.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,925
    edited March 6

    Roger said:

    Interesting if true. Israel have 2000 Brits who apparently fight for the IDF. How does that work?
    Dual nationals required to do national service in Israel?
    Yes. Well, they were all dual nationals. Whether they were required to do national service is not stated: https://www.declassifieduk.org/over-2000-britons-served-for-israel-amid-gaza-genocide/
    Considering there was no genocide that html link is clearly not an impartial source.

    The genocide in Srebrenica involved the death of over 30% of the population. That would be approaching a million people had there been a like-for-like "Gaza genocide". BS.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    I'm trying to work out the latest HMG position on joining strikes on Iran. I think its
    They are definitely not not saying that they might not depending on the circumstances
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    I think it goes back a lot further than that!

    The US is on for a full fascist takeover apparently.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,805
    eek said:

    We may well have a chance in Eurovision given this is our song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niMKvJ-Itq8

    We've had worse. And recently.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    No he wasn't, Gaddaffi is no longer in charge there as a result of the intervention by Cameron and Sarkozy
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,925
    HYUFD said:

    At the moment Labour seems to be most focused on trying to head off the threat from the Greens and Ed Miliband's firm position against any UK action against Iran and outright opposition to the US and Israeli strikes could help him on that. Though given Miliband led Labour to defeat in 2015 against the Tories at a general election where Farage got his second best performance pre 2024 I doubt either the Tories or Reform would be concerned if he took over Labour

    Given if he takes over it would make him Prime Minister, I would be bloody concerned!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324
    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    And an electoral disaster

    Labour are better sticking with Starmer unfortunately
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786

    Taz said:
    Are they the leader of Reform in Wales?
    I doubt Dan Thomas is a foreign asset. You want to claim he is feel free. He may take issue with that. I ensured not to name or identify anyone with my comment.

    Meanwhile this week three people have been arrested on suspicion of spying for China. All labour.

    We had the collapse of the Chinese spying trial, thanks to the Tories.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258

    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    And an electoral disaster

    Labour are better sticking with Starmer unfortunately
    Labour are in full panic and have reached 'anyone will do' station
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463
    edited March 6
    He also served a prison sentence for fraud as well as getting a community order and having to sign the Sex Offenders' Register for possessing indecent images, I assume that would have shown up on a DBS check? Although Murdock also spent time in jail but Reform selected him anyway and he was elected having disclosed his offence to them
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,536
    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    8. Who doesn't want to see the return of the sibling psychodrama?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,805
    edited March 6

    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    And an electoral disaster

    Labour are better sticking with Starmer unfortunately
    Labour are in full panic and have reached 'anyone will do' station
    It's like democracy, isn't it? Starmer is the worst possible choice as PM. Apart from all the others.

    But stories like this are deeply damaging to Starmer. Its bad enough he cannot run the country. Not being able to run his own cabinet makes him look so weak.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324
    Financial analyst is suggesting not to expect any interest rate reductions and mortgages are likely to rise

    A week is a long time in politics isn't it Rachel
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    And an electoral disaster

    Labour are better sticking with Starmer unfortunately
    Labour are in full panic and have reached 'anyone will do' station
    It's like democracy, isn't it? Starmer is the worst possible choice as PM. Apart from all the others.

    But stories like this are deeply damaging to Starmer. Its bad enough he cannot run the country. Not being able to run his own cabinet makes him look so weak.
    We need a 'summer of 4 captains' to showcase the talent
  • eekeek Posts: 32,762

    Financial analyst is suggesting not to expect any interest rate reductions and mortgages are likely to rise

    A week is a long time in politics isn't it Rachel

    Wars are expensive especially when it screws up the global market for energy.

    As TSE said yesterday this could easily create a Depression as an energy price shock takes out a whole set of companies...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324
    eek said:

    Financial analyst is suggesting not to expect any interest rate reductions and mortgages are likely to rise

    A week is a long time in politics isn't it Rachel

    Wars are expensive especially when it screws up the global market for energy.

    As TSE said yesterday this could easily create a Depression as an energy price shock takes out a whole set of companies...
    I would like that but I really do not but so likely
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 226
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    We may well have a chance in Eurovision given this is our song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niMKvJ-Itq8

    We've had worse. And recently.
    it'll do well. Doubt it'll win, but I would expect top 10.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,601

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    in an ideal world no politician would fail criteria 3. sadly 99% do
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,845

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    Lol. Trump is deranged, you are right. As is anyone willing to go along with his nonsense. The reality is that Trump's administration is a threat to our peace and prosperity, not to mention the fact of its support for the far right in this country who are coming after my children. Much as I hate the mad Mullahs I hope the Americans suffer a humiliating defeat in Iran so that they eventually learn to stop trying to be the schoolyard bully and stay out of our politics for good.
    They could create a new brand of politics focusing internally, I'm not great at branding but perhaps they might call it America First?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,805

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    Too sensible and dull for Labour members I expect
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 517

    Ed Miliband. He was a problem then.

    He's an even bigger problem now.

    My work will be done when England learns to love Ed.

    I actually like him better than I did 20 years ago. An acquired taste.

    100/1 was a pretty good tip.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463

    HYUFD said:

    At the moment Labour seems to be most focused on trying to head off the threat from the Greens and Ed Miliband's firm position against any UK action against Iran and outright opposition to the US and Israeli strikes could help him on that. Though given Miliband led Labour to defeat in 2015 against the Tories at a general election where Farage got his second best performance pre 2024 I doubt either the Tories or Reform would be concerned if he took over Labour

    Given if he takes over it would make him Prime Minister, I would be bloody concerned!
    Well the country might soon be concerned yes but the opposition parties wouldn't
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    This was his interview yesterday

    Will RAF jets attack Iran?

    https://news.sky.com/video/share-13515807
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,433
    FPT towards the end of the last decade discussed the future of US with my peripatetic US manager, a libertarian rather than Rep or Dem. He said that even if the Democrats got back in, which Biden did, that the country was f*cked, the general political discourse was too unhinged and that he wouldn't settle back in the US with his family, which he hasn't.
    I'd says his judgement was pretty good.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,845
    Taz said:

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    I think it goes back a lot further than that!

    The US is on for a full fascist takeover apparently.
    It is all perfectly normal, nothing weird about what is happening over the pond at all, not sure why it gets any commentary at all on a website like this focused primarily on trains and Christmas movies.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    Everyone's favourite Iranian explaining strategy. I wonder whether the average Brit would prefer him to Hegseth?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcPc9HDLBU
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,673
    Jack Denny was dumped as a candidate, two years ago.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,845
    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,146
    edited March 6
    HYUFD said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    No he wasn't, Gaddaffi is no longer in charge there as a result of the intervention by Cameron and Sarkozy
    The question is whether that actually leaves the people in a better state than they were before.

    Looking at the table on page 274 of the UN Human Development Report for 2025, Libya isn't doing too well at position 115, though not as badly as Iraq at position 126. Interestingly, Iran is at position 75 - not great, but still in the top half of the table. I expect Iran's position will now plummet as the country's infrastructure is destroyed and civil war takes hold.

    https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/global-report-document/hdr2025reporten.pdf
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,664

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    Totally agree.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/02/08/could-a-healey-or-benn-finally-lead-labour/
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,433

    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    And an electoral disaster

    Labour are better sticking with Starmer unfortunately
    Labour are in full panic and have reached 'anyone will do' station
    It's like democracy, isn't it? Starmer is the worst possible choice as PM. Apart from all the others.

    But stories like this are deeply damaging to Starmer. Its bad enough he cannot run the country. Not being able to run his own cabinet makes him look so weak.
    We need a 'summer of 4 captains' to showcase the talent
    The other Miliband is over 300 on betfair, are there any rumours as to whether he's had enough of the US?
    (can we start some? I've just got on at 1000 :))
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,536
    edited March 6
    spudgfsh said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    in an ideal world no politician would fail criteria 3. sadly 99% do
    Not sure it's quite as high as 99%, but it is a sign of how diminished the available options are nowadays. I'm content for Starmer to stay in place because he meets criterion 3, and so many of the alternatives don't.

    But yes, he's indecisive and has no communication skills. Trump is certainly right that he's no Churchill. Only around ten years ago people (rightly) thought that Andy Burnham being PM was a ridiculous prospect.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    Lol. Trump is deranged, you are right. As is anyone willing to go along with his nonsense. The reality is that Trump's administration is a threat to our peace and prosperity, not to mention the fact of its support for the far right in this country who are coming after my children. Much as I hate the mad Mullahs I hope the Americans suffer a humiliating defeat in Iran so that they eventually learn to stop trying to be the schoolyard bully and stay out of our politics for good.
    They could create a new brand of politics focusing internally, I'm not great at branding but perhaps they might call it America First?
    Typical of Trump that the on his one sensible policy idea - stop starting foreign wars - he turned out to be lying.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,751
    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    I wonder if, in these horrible times, the options for PM/party leader have to seem credible in the difficult role of war leader when atavistic expectations of the UK's capacity for either defence or attack far exceed the reality.

    Reasonably statesmanlike and very boring, willing to be manager just above the relegation zone, seem to be needed qualities. Maybe Starmer is the best fit. There is a long list of worse fits: Badenoch, Farage, Polanski, Rayner, Miliband (E), Burnham.

    Might be OK: Cooper, Stride, Hunt, Miliband (D), Jones.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    Dopermean said:

    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    And an electoral disaster

    Labour are better sticking with Starmer unfortunately
    Labour are in full panic and have reached 'anyone will do' station
    It's like democracy, isn't it? Starmer is the worst possible choice as PM. Apart from all the others.

    But stories like this are deeply damaging to Starmer. Its bad enough he cannot run the country. Not being able to run his own cabinet makes him look so weak.
    We need a 'summer of 4 captains' to showcase the talent
    The other Miliband is over 300 on betfair, are there any rumours as to whether he's had enough of the US?
    (can we start some? I've just got on at 1000 :))
    I'll call Purnell and tell him its on
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,805

    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
    Very true. The quality of options available to all of our parties these days is so far down on what it used to be. Where are the people with genuine talent who have decided that doing well for their country is more important than doing well for themselves? In any party? Is politics such a miserable game these days that they have decided it simply isn't worth the candle and left the field to a variety of buffoons and crackpots?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,786

    eek said:

    Financial analyst is suggesting not to expect any interest rate reductions and mortgages are likely to rise

    A week is a long time in politics isn't it Rachel

    Wars are expensive especially when it screws up the global market for energy.

    As TSE said yesterday this could easily create a Depression as an energy price shock takes out a whole set of companies...
    I would like that but I really do not but so likely
    Why would you like that ?
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 517
    Miliband has spent the last decade working on renewable energy. He has made some iffy compromises with the CCS people, and generally not got the best stuff past Labour leadership, but if anyone can claim a drive to invest in an energy independent UK future it’s him.

    Obviously as a full on despiser of the fossil fuel industry and its neoliberal mates driving climate change for profit, I would say that. But I am right.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 226
    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    I wonder if, in these horrible times, the options for PM/party leader have to seem credible in the difficult role of war leader when atavistic expectations of the UK's capacity for either defence or attack far exceed the reality.

    Reasonably statesmanlike and very boring, willing to be manager just above the relegation zone, seem to be needed qualities. Maybe Starmer is the best fit. There is a long list of worse fits: Badenoch, Farage, Polanski, Rayner, Miliband (E), Burnham.

    Might be OK: Cooper, Stride, Hunt, Miliband (D), Jones.
    Dyche or Big Sam
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,276

    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
    Baldy Ben had a surprising long run as pb.com tory hetero-crush. I think he lasted about three months at the start of 2022.

    They also serve who stand and wait at the buffet.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,751
    edited March 6

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    Lol. Trump is deranged, you are right. As is anyone willing to go along with his nonsense. The reality is that Trump's administration is a threat to our peace and prosperity, not to mention the fact of its support for the far right in this country who are coming after my children. Much as I hate the mad Mullahs I hope the Americans suffer a humiliating defeat in Iran so that they eventually learn to stop trying to be the schoolyard bully and stay out of our politics for good.
    They could create a new brand of politics focusing internally, I'm not great at branding but perhaps they might call it America First?
    Typical of Trump that the on his one sensible policy idea - stop starting foreign wars - he turned out to be lying.
    Yes. It felt the one, and only, saving grace of Trump was he genuinely didn't like the idea of widows, orphans, dead children and USA military in body bags and that it was to his faction's electoral advantage to use American might to pursue that admirable end.

    We have yet to see what happens if substantial numbers of the last of these - USA military in body bags - becomes a reality. The others are a lost cause, sadly.

  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,146
    edited March 6
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
    Very true. The quality of options available to all of our parties these days is so far down on what it used to be. Where are the people with genuine talent who have decided that doing well for their country is more important than doing well for themselves? In any party? Is politics such a miserable game these days that they have decided it simply isn't worth the candle and left the field to a variety of buffoons and crackpots?
    I think probably the latter, especially in this age of social media. You almost have to wonder who in their right mind would want to be a politician, given the abuse, risk and relatively low pay. You have to be either incredibly dedicated and thick-skinned or crazy.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,925
    Roger said:

    Everyone's favourite Iranian explaining strategy. I wonder whether the average Brit would prefer him to Hegseth?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcPc9HDLBU

    I think you'll find everyone's favourite Iranian is actually quite in favour of what America is doing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002s37k
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,845
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
    Very true. The quality of options available to all of our parties these days is so far down on what it used to be. Where are the people with genuine talent who have decided that doing well for their country is more important than doing well for themselves? In any party? Is politics such a miserable game these days that they have decided it simply isn't worth the candle and left the field to a variety of buffoons and crackpots?
    I think it is very hard to stand up to the world of 24 hour news and social media. The average cabinet minister gets about 3 years across 2 departments, that should almost be a learning period rather than their only chance after which they are discarded.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,485

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
    Ah, it’s now ‘try’, I thought from the resident PB USA experts and Trump obsessives the USA was now under a full fascist takeover.
    The Americans I speak to around here (and there's a remarkable number in the Cotswolds!) are concerned but not fatalistic.

    The US tolerates gerrymandering and other dirty tricks to a greater extent than we do and of course both sides do it. I agree however with Marquee Mark that the more egregious interference that we are likely to see from Trump can up to a point become self-defeating in that it motivates the opposition to turn out in droves.

    There does come a point however when the balance tips the other way and the perversion of the democratic system becomes so extreme that it effectively brings the system in that country to an end for the foreseeable future. This is what happened in Nazi Germany and we are right to note that many of the actions of Trump and the GoP are comparable.

    I remain optimistic however. We are some way from the point of no return. Trump's favourability ratings are dire and if they are still that way in November are would expect his wings to be clipped regardless of rigging.

    Things are in the balance though. I said I'm optimistic but not sanguine.
    Are you familiar with many US citizens applying for UK citizenship? What is your impression of the reasons?

    The numbers were 5320 in 2023, 6192 in 2024 and 8790 in 2025, with the last quarter in 2025 running at ~10000 when annualised. So that is not far off a doubling of rate in 2 years.

    That is not huge, but that is on top of a pyramid of USA people coming here to live.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    We may well have a chance in Eurovision given this is our song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niMKvJ-Itq8

    We've had worse. And recently.
    More interesting and 12 years earlier

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=i+fink+youre+freaky#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:7c7db5ad,vid:8Uee_mcxvrw,st:0
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,618
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
    Very true. The quality of options available to all of our parties these days is so far down on what it used to be. Where are the people with genuine talent who have decided that doing well for their country is more important than doing well for themselves? In any party? Is politics such a miserable game these days that they have decided it simply isn't worth the candle and left the field to a variety of buffoons and crackpots?
    Who'd be a politician? You get put under a microscope by political journalists, many of whom are incompetent or just looking for grievance and scalps (see ridiculous questions to Boris Johnson during the pandemic, as if he could guarantee infection rates below a certain threshold for a novel disease).

    Not to mention the bitter infighting, most obviously with the Conservatives, and the low degree of job security.

    I do agree that quality generally has declined.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,765
    @MerruX

    Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and Qatar are discussing pulling back from U.S. and other investments as the toll from this regional war with Iran mounts.



    https://x.com/MerruX/status/2029688265758933261?s=20
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,433
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Financial analyst is suggesting not to expect any interest rate reductions and mortgages are likely to rise

    A week is a long time in politics isn't it Rachel

    Wars are expensive especially when it screws up the global market for energy.

    As TSE said yesterday this could easily create a Depression as an energy price shock takes out a whole set of companies...
    I would like that but I really do not but so likely
    Why would you like that ?
    My understanding from yesterday's discussion is that this is all E Miliband's fault for Net Zero policies, apparently it caused Trump to set fire to the ME...

    How do you do that eyeroll emoji? :)
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,536
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Healey might be worth going for:
    1) Compromise candidate
    2) Defence, highly relevant for current matters
    3) Not totally mental

    So we are at the "not totally mental" stage. Just as well there is nothing too serious going on.
    We had the same with the equivalent Tory non-entity Ben Wallace.
    Very true. The quality of options available to all of our parties these days is so far down on what it used to be. Where are the people with genuine talent who have decided that doing well for their country is more important than doing well for themselves? In any party? Is politics such a miserable game these days that they have decided it simply isn't worth the candle and left the field to a variety of buffoons and crackpots?
    Part of the problem is that even decent candidates have to pander to blocks of popular sentiment who long lost any grip on reality and the serious choices that have to be made: just off the top of my head: WASPI women, triple lockers, the boycott Israel now lobby.

    A lot of this goes back to Covid when people got used to the idea that the State was there to hand out wads of cash, and any attempt to rollback on that is met with hyperbolic outrage.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,673
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Have we discussed how, if this war is protracted, there could be a prolonged high oil price ?

    Good for the US (and Russia); absolutely the opposite for the majority of its allies, to the extent of creating a recession.

    Not particularly good for Republican chances in November though...

    Won’t be an issue as, according to the PB USA experts, the GOP will steal the election.
    And you this morning's snark expert.

    What pretty well everyone has actually said is that he will try to do so.
    You really think he won't ?
    Ah, it’s now ‘try’, I thought from the resident PB USA experts and Trump obsessives the USA was now under a full fascist takeover.
    The Americans I speak to around here (and there's a remarkable number in the Cotswolds!) are concerned but not fatalistic.

    The US tolerates gerrymandering and other dirty tricks to a greater extent than we do and of course both sides do it. I agree however with Marquee Mark that the more egregious interference that we are likely to see from Trump can up to a point become self-defeating in that it motivates the opposition to turn out in droves.

    There does come a point however when the balance tips the other way and the perversion of the democratic system becomes so extreme that it effectively brings the system in that country to an end for the foreseeable future. This is what happened in Nazi Germany and we are right to note that many of the actions of Trump and the GoP are comparable.

    I remain optimistic however. We are some way from the point of no return. Trump's favourability ratings are dire and if they are still that way in November are would expect his wings to be clipped regardless of rigging.

    Things are in the balance though. I said I'm optimistic but not sanguine.
    Are you familiar with many US citizens applying for UK citizenship? What is your impression of the reasons?

    The numbers were 5320 in 2023, 6192 in 2024 and 8790 in 2025, with the last quarter in 2025 running at ~10000 when annualised. So that is not far off a doubling of rate in 2 years.

    That is not huge, but that is on top of a pyramid of USA people coming here to live.
    It’s quite flattering, in a way. There is no real culture of political violence here, which has been part of US life, at least since the Redeemers seizing power after 1870.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 226

    Miliband has spent the last decade working on renewable energy. He has made some iffy compromises with the CCS people, and generally not got the best stuff past Labour leadership, but if anyone can claim a drive to invest in an energy independent UK future it’s him.

    Obviously as a full on despiser of the fossil fuel industry and its neoliberal mates driving climate change for profit, I would say that. But I am right.

    I’m not sold on Miliband’s “energy independence” schtick. On net zero, we’ve mostly cleaned up the UK accounting by shifting some production abroad and importing the embodied carbon. ONS consumption-based measures fall slower for a reason.

    And on resilience, we’ve made ourselves more exposed to global shocks by running a transition that’s heavy on targets and light on firm domestic capacity and grids/storage. Domestic fossil production keeps declining, gas still dominates, and we’re signing long-dated import deals.

    If the goal is security and decarbonisation: stop pretending territorial emissions are the whole story, and stop outsourcing both energy and industry while calling it progress.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,874

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    Not a patch on Starmer Derangement Syndrome. I wonder who Nick Ferrari posts as on here.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 226

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    Not a patch on Starmer Derangement Syndrome. I wonder who Nick Ferrari posts as on here.
    I've never been seen in the same room as him...
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,334
    Taz said:

    Well done Ed. Trump has gone fully mental and the further away we are from this debacle the better.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome has been off the scale on here over the last week.
    I think it goes back a lot further than that!

    The US is on for a full fascist takeover apparently.
    There's no apparently
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,324
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Financial analyst is suggesting not to expect any interest rate reductions and mortgages are likely to rise

    A week is a long time in politics isn't it Rachel

    Wars are expensive especially when it screws up the global market for energy.

    As TSE said yesterday this could easily create a Depression as an energy price shock takes out a whole set of companies...
    I would like that but I really do not but so likely
    Why would you like that ?
    I was referring to ticking the like button, as I do not like the prospect of a depression
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,874
    Roger said:

    Milliband was right about not getting involved in Libya as well...

    It would save a lot of time.........

    1. He has a seat so no more 'Gorton and Denton' issues.
    2. In these barmy times where ethnicity in the middle east is relevant. He's Jewish and can't be painted by the Israeli supporting ethno bores of being anti semitic.
    3. He's compassionate.
    4. He's bright.
    5. His values unlike Starmer's are Labour ones
    6. By a factor of 10 he's better than Andy Burnham
    7. By a factor of 20 he's better than Kemi Badenoch
    He's still unelectable mind.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,167
    Louise Casey speech this morning

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/mar/06/louise-casey-englands-social-care-system-faces-moment-of-reckoning

    is a damning indictment of the paucity of Policy, Funding and planning in this sector at any point this century up to 2025.

    Her long awaited report in 2 phases , no and 2028 , is long over due and very welcome.

    Her initial recommendations which she askes to be enacted immediately include urgent attention across NHS / Social care on dementia and alzheimers and MND.

    It is a positive start that Wes Streeting has commited to implementing recommendations on this asap. ASAP needs to be this year and this needs to be a fundamental part of the Autumn Budget with money set aside for it from then, if not NOW!

    Labour has a golden opportunity here to align very closely with LD to deliver a progressive and compassionate BIG BANG in the Social Care sector.

    Focussing CARE above welfare
    Focussing CARE above defence

    Plotting a positive and better future for ALL of us, as we all get older.

    If Labour , LD , Greens grasp this opportunity of CARE IN THE COMMUNITY above the Tory / Reform dogma of Profit Privatisation and Corporate Greed, they can and should smash the Tories and Reform , especially the Tories and their 14 years of wilful neglect, gerrymandering and corruption , our of Government for a generation.

    Having said all that, if they don't act and act with purpose at speed, they are no better than the Tories and their dereliction of duty of care and Reform for their obsession that big money knows best!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,805
    Roger said:

    Everyone's favourite Iranian explaining strategy. I wonder whether the average Brit would prefer him to Hegseth?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skcPc9HDLBU

    Is not liking either of them not an option? Unfortunate.
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