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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,400

    Brixian59 said:

    Stirring words from Starmer:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2027857472443097426

    Keir Starmer has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone this evening, Downing Street says

    “The Prime Minister set out that the UK was taking part in coordinated regional defensive operations to protect British people and regional partners following Iran’s indiscriminate retaliatory strikes on allies in the region.”

    Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that Starmer should authorise the RAF to join Israel and the US in bombing operations

    Seriously?

    He is doing the same as the vast majority of other Countries.

    Standing back from the precipice of war.

    That he could do that without Parliamentary consent is highly highly doubtful

    It's foolish in the extreme for Farage and Badenoch to call for the UK to support Air Strikes, thank god neither is in power if I were Starmer I'd call a debate for tomorrow request immediate recall of Parliament vote them down and show them up for the Trump Bibi sponsored apologists they are.

    History shows UK involvement in Middle East is a calamity

    Starmer grows in stature every minute he stands back.. Thank God McSweeney is gone he's as bad as Farage and Badenoch.

    Polls will show the vast majority of the UK don't want war.

    I challenge anyone who wants us to join bombing to out themselves and explain why, why would you declare the UK at war.

    It's a fucking senseless suggestion
    There is no need to do the bombing but support for our allies and interests is justyfied

    Bahrain at the UN of behalf of the gulf states, has roundly condemned Iran and reserves the right to act to protect their security

    Tonight Iran is friendless and their leader apparently dead
    Bahrain hosts the major US Navy base in the region. It is not an innocent bystander.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958

    Brixian59 said:

    Stirring words from Starmer:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2027857472443097426

    Keir Starmer has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone this evening, Downing Street says

    “The Prime Minister set out that the UK was taking part in coordinated regional defensive operations to protect British people and regional partners following Iran’s indiscriminate retaliatory strikes on allies in the region.”

    Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that Starmer should authorise the RAF to join Israel and the US in bombing operations

    Seriously?

    He is doing the same as the vast majority of other Countries.

    Standing back from the precipice of war.

    That he could do that without Parliamentary consent is highly highly doubtful

    It's foolish in the extreme for Farage and Badenoch to call for the UK to support Air Strikes, thank god neither is in power if I were Starmer I'd call a debate for tomorrow request immediate recall of Parliament vote them down and show them up for the Trump Bibi sponsored apologists they are.

    History shows UK involvement in Middle East is a calamity

    Starmer grows in stature every minute he stands back.. Thank God McSweeney is gone he's as bad as Farage and Badenoch.

    Polls will show the vast majority of the UK don't want war.

    I challenge anyone who wants us to join bombing to out themselves and explain why, why would you declare the UK at war.

    It's a fucking senseless suggestion
    There is no need to do the bombing but support for our allies and interests is justyfied

    Bahrain at the UN of behalf of the gulf states, has roundly condemned Iran and reserves the right to act to protect their security

    Tonight Iran is friendless and their leader apparently dead
    You haven't answered the wuestion

    Any form of the support you suggests opens up to attack.

    Starmer is smart he won't authorise without the law being on his side.

    I really wish he would be politically wise. Put Farage and Badenoch on the spot. Unite the centre left against war.

    If oil rich Arab states who are being attacked want to join ins let them.

    Our European, NATO and Commonwealth allies back Starmer he backs them.

    Why do the Tories always want war, let's never forget more Tories backed Blair than Labour.. Its bloodlust.

    Not our war. But
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958
    isam said:

    She’s not going to get much sympathy

    DUBAI issues emergency alert. We are evacuating apartments

    https://x.com/isabeloakeshott/status/2027848500541587636?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    None at all Isabel
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,000
    One peer suspended, a prospective peer not now taking up their seat due to scandal and a minister resigns
    Labour busy hiding their sleaze under the war in the middle east
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,790

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    They are unwittingly doing a big favour to HMT. The trend of rich Brits heading off to Dubai to save tax was starting to get some serious self-fulfilling momentum. This is going to trigger second thoughts for most.

    Rather like the trend of European businesses listing in the US has taken a hit since the Trump admin started interfering in the oil, defence and most recently AI industries.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,514
    Oh. Happy non birthday Big G.
    Aren't you a Feb 29 th?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,872

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,729

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,583

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    We bombed Dresden.

    The Iranian regime faces an existential threat. They are going to attack anything and anyone they can.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,436
    Well, maybe all those UK millionaires apparently fleeing to Dubai to escape Labour's excessive tax regime will think again.
  • Sky reporting Israel have sent 200 planes into Iran tonight, one of their biggest sorties
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,863
    Images of tourists covered in blood at Dubai airport:

    https://x.com/royalintel_/status/2027863854873485422
  • dixiedean said:

    Oh. Happy non birthday Big G.
    Aren't you a Feb 29 th?
    Yes indeed and thank you
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Stirring words from Starmer:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2027857472443097426

    Keir Starmer has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone this evening, Downing Street says

    “The Prime Minister set out that the UK was taking part in coordinated regional defensive operations to protect British people and regional partners following Iran’s indiscriminate retaliatory strikes on allies in the region.”

    Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that Starmer should authorise the RAF to join Israel and the US in bombing operations

    Seriously?

    He is doing the same as the vast majority of other Countries.

    Standing back from the precipice of war.

    That he could do that without Parliamentary consent is highly highly doubtful

    It's foolish in the extreme for Farage and Badenoch to call for the UK to support Air Strikes, thank god neither is in power if I were Starmer I'd call a debate for tomorrow request immediate recall of Parliament vote them down and show them up for the Trump Bibi sponsored apologists they are.

    History shows UK involvement in Middle East is a calamity

    Starmer grows in stature every minute he stands back.. Thank God McSweeney is gone he's as bad as Farage and Badenoch.

    Polls will show the vast majority of the UK don't want war.

    I challenge anyone who wants us to join bombing to out themselves and explain why, why would you declare the UK at war.

    It's a fucking senseless suggestion
    There is no need to do the bombing but support for our allies and interests is justyfied

    Bahrain at the UN of behalf of the gulf states, has roundly condemned Iran and reserves the right to act to protect their security

    Tonight Iran is friendless and their leader apparently dead
    You haven't answered the wuestion

    Any form of the support you suggests opens up to attack.

    Starmer is smart he won't authorise without the law being on his side.

    I really wish he would be politically wise. Put Farage and Badenoch on the spot. Unite the centre left against war.

    If oil rich Arab states who are being attacked want to join ins let them.

    Our European, NATO and Commonwealth allies back Starmer he backs them.

    Why do the Tories always want war, let's never forget more Tories backed Blair than Labour.. Its bloodlust.

    Not our war. But
    Carney of Canada, and Australia support are ' tories' ?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,532

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,187
    kle4 said:

    No idea of the reliability of the source, but factions scrambling to get their own man appointed in a fast moving situation would not be unexpected.

    The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) is insisting on the swift appointment of the next leader of the Islamic Republic after Ali Khamenei's death, sources with knowledge of the matter told Iran International.

    According to the sources speaking on condition of anonymity, the remaining IRGC command structure is seeking to finalize the decision within the coming hours, specifically by dawn on Sunday, March 1.

    The sources said with airstrikes ongoing, it is not feasible to convene a session of the Assembly of Experts, the constitutional body responsible for selecting the Supreme Leader. As a result, the IRGC is pushing for the appointment of the next leader to take place outside the legally prescribed procedures.

    https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602285944

    Ayatollah Khumenei, I'm thinking?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,095

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    We bombed Dresden.

    The Iranian regime faces an existential threat. They are going to attack anything and anyone they can.
    The Nazis were still killing Jews and others when we bombed Dresden. Dresden had factories making things for the war effort. The horror of Dresden was because, like Hamburg, a firestorm destroyed the city and killed tens of thousands. Harris would have done that to every German city if he could, to save just one allied soldier.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,086
    .
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,532
    edited February 28

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,652
    @glcarlstrom

    So, like 12 hours after he told Iranians to "take over your government", and eight hours after he called the Washington Post and said his goal is "freedom for the people", Trump now says maybe we can bring this thing to an inconclusive end in two or three days

    https://x.com/glcarlstrom/status/2027834286540198240?s=20
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,966
    edited February 28
    .

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    It gives them leverage, from a position of weakness. Iran can stop bombing its neighbours/ships in exchange for being left alone themselves. Same ceasefire deal as the Houthis did earlier with the Americans, and they are even more ragbag than Iranians.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,552
    Javid Trump!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Stirring words from Starmer:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2027857472443097426

    Keir Starmer has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone this evening, Downing Street says

    “The Prime Minister set out that the UK was taking part in coordinated regional defensive operations to protect British people and regional partners following Iran’s indiscriminate retaliatory strikes on allies in the region.”

    Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that Starmer should authorise the RAF to join Israel and the US in bombing operations

    Seriously?

    He is doing the same as the vast majority of other Countries.

    Standing back from the precipice of war.

    That he could do that without Parliamentary consent is highly highly doubtful

    It's foolish in the extreme for Farage and Badenoch to call for the UK to support Air Strikes, thank god neither is in power if I were Starmer I'd call a debate for tomorrow request immediate recall of Parliament vote them down and show them up for the Trump Bibi sponsored apologists they are.

    History shows UK involvement in Middle East is a calamity

    Starmer grows in stature every minute he stands back.. Thank God McSweeney is gone he's as bad as Farage and Badenoch.

    Polls will show the vast majority of the UK don't want war.

    I challenge anyone who wants us to join bombing to out themselves and explain why, why would you declare the UK at war.

    It's a fucking senseless suggestion
    There is no need to do the bombing but support for our allies and interests is justyfied

    Bahrain at the UN of behalf of the gulf states, has roundly condemned Iran and reserves the right to act to protect their security

    Tonight Iran is friendless and their leader apparently dead
    You haven't answered the wuestion

    Any form of the support you suggests opens up to attack.

    Starmer is smart he won't authorise without the law being on his side.

    I really wish he would be politically wise. Put Farage and Badenoch on the spot. Unite the centre left against war.

    If oil rich Arab states who are being attacked want to join ins let them.

    Our European, NATO and Commonwealth allies back Starmer he backs them.

    Why do the Tories always want war, let's never forget more Tories backed Blair than Labour.. Its bloodlust.

    Not our war. But
    Carney of Canada, and Australia support are ' tories' ?
    They are backing same decision as us, defending our interests not attacking Iran nor directly supporting usa or Israel offensive
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,187

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    It was collective punishment of a 2m population for an atrocity that most of them were wholly innocent of.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,221

    dixiedean said:

    Oh. Happy non birthday Big G.
    Aren't you a Feb 29 th?
    Yes indeed and thank you
    I certainly add my good wishes too! All the best!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,095
    It's all about a statement saying that you used it, right?
  • Cicero said:

    dixiedean said:

    Oh. Happy non birthday Big G.
    Aren't you a Feb 29 th?
    Yes indeed and thank you
    I certainly add my good wishes too! All the best!
    Thank you
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958
    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,863
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2027865947579592727

    The famous Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai was just hit by an Iranian drone/missile.

    The hotel is on fire.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    A nation of 90 million is significantly harder to destroy, even with all its problems.
  • kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    It was collective punishment of a 2m population for an atrocity that most of them were wholly innocent of.
    It was war.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,296

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    Fire back? What did UAE do?


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  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,811

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Stirring words from Starmer:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2027857472443097426

    Keir Starmer has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone this evening, Downing Street says

    “The Prime Minister set out that the UK was taking part in coordinated regional defensive operations to protect British people and regional partners following Iran’s indiscriminate retaliatory strikes on allies in the region.”

    Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that Starmer should authorise the RAF to join Israel and the US in bombing operations

    Seriously?

    He is doing the same as the vast majority of other Countries.

    Standing back from the precipice of war.

    That he could do that without Parliamentary consent is highly highly doubtful

    It's foolish in the extreme for Farage and Badenoch to call for the UK to support Air Strikes, thank god neither is in power if I were Starmer I'd call a debate for tomorrow request immediate recall of Parliament vote them down and show them up for the Trump Bibi sponsored apologists they are.

    History shows UK involvement in Middle East is a calamity

    Starmer grows in stature every minute he stands back.. Thank God McSweeney is gone he's as bad as Farage and Badenoch.

    Polls will show the vast majority of the UK don't want war.

    I challenge anyone who wants us to join bombing to out themselves and explain why, why would you declare the UK at war.

    It's a fucking senseless suggestion
    There is no need to do the bombing but support for our allies and interests is justyfied

    Bahrain at the UN of behalf of the gulf states, has roundly condemned Iran and reserves the right to act to protect their security

    Tonight Iran is friendless and their leader apparently dead
    You haven't answered the wuestion

    Any form of the support you suggests opens up to attack.

    Starmer is smart he won't authorise without the law being on his side.

    I really wish he would be politically wise. Put Farage and Badenoch on the spot. Unite the centre left against war.

    If oil rich Arab states who are being attacked want to join ins let them.

    Our European, NATO and Commonwealth allies back Starmer he backs them.

    Why do the Tories always want war, let's never forget more Tories backed Blair than Labour.. Its bloodlust.

    Not our war. But
    Carney of Canada, and Australia support are ' tories' ?
    There la no point arguing Big G. This poster is just….well. Having visits with fairies.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,086
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Trump believes his own propaganda. He thinks he can get a quick win over Iran like he (thinks he) got over Venezuela, and also Netanyahu is good at manipulating him. Remember that story before the bombing started about Witkoff saying Trump didn’t understand why Iran hadn’t capitulated? Trump has a very simple understanding of geopolitics.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Trump believes his own propaganda. He thinks he can get a quick win over Iran like he (thinks he) got over Venezuela, and also Netanyahu is good at manipulating him. Remember that story before the bombing started about Witkoff saying Trump didn’t understand why Iran hadn’t capitulated? Trump has a very simple understanding of geopolitics.
    He already has a quick win.

    Hopefully it can become a fuller one.
  • Iran at the UN thanks Russia and China for their support !!!!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,086

    kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    It was collective punishment of a 2m population for an atrocity that most of them were wholly innocent of.
    It was war.
    It was war is a justification we’re going to hear for a lot of things!
  • isamisam Posts: 43,762
    edited February 28
    If Khamenei is dead, I hope the next ayatollah is a queer Black woman

    https://x.com/willkremer/status/2027839697364410741?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,863
    The Ukrainian government is cheering

    https://x.com/Ukraine/status/2027866821085352116

    nothing beats the death of a dictator 🥳
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,394
    Thoughts and prayers to John Bolton.

    Never get what you want.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Trump believes his own propaganda. He thinks he can get a quick win over Iran like he (thinks he) got over Venezuela, and also Netanyahu is good at manipulating him. Remember that story before the bombing started about Witkoff saying Trump didn’t understand why Iran hadn’t capitulated? Trump has a very simple understanding of geopolitics.
    He already has a quick win.

    Hopefully it can become a fuller one.
    Is Epstein sat behind Netanyahu pulling his strings.

    He certainly seems to get anything he wants of Starmer.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,086

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Trump believes his own propaganda. He thinks he can get a quick win over Iran like he (thinks he) got over Venezuela, and also Netanyahu is good at manipulating him. Remember that story before the bombing started about Witkoff saying Trump didn’t understand why Iran hadn’t capitulated? Trump has a very simple understanding of geopolitics.
    He already has a quick win.

    Hopefully it can become a fuller one.
    Winning a battle is not the same as winning a war.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Trump believes his own propaganda. He thinks he can get a quick win over Iran like he (thinks he) got over Venezuela, and also Netanyahu is good at manipulating him. Remember that story before the bombing started about Witkoff saying Trump didn’t understand why Iran hadn’t capitulated? Trump has a very simple understanding of geopolitics.
    He already has a quick win.

    Hopefully it can become a fuller one.
    Is Epstein sat behind Netanyahu pulling his strings.

    He certainly seems to get anything he wants of Starmer.
    Trump
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,811
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Now the murdeous Ayotollah is dead…are u ok hun?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,440
    Great work by the Trump administration today.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,394
    Michael McFaul
    @McFaul
    I was against this war against Iran.

    Now that it’s happening, I hope it leads to democratic regime change.

    I’m elated that Khamenei is gone.

    https://x.com/McFaul/status/2027864067881517121
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,863
    It's kicking off in Albania as well

    https://x.com/kos_data/status/2027859074625229213

    The villa of former communist leader Enver Hoxha was set on fire by Albanian protesters.

    The villa had been turned into a space for foreign artists at the initiative of the Socialist government.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,811
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Trump believes his own propaganda. He thinks he can get a quick win over Iran like he (thinks he) got over Venezuela, and also Netanyahu is good at manipulating him. Remember that story before the bombing started about Witkoff saying Trump didn’t understand why Iran hadn’t capitulated? Trump has a very simple understanding of geopolitics.
    He already has a quick win.

    Hopefully it can become a fuller one.
    Is Epstein sat behind Netanyahu pulling his strings.

    He certainly seems to get anything he wants of Starmer.
    You’re not ok are you hun. I’m sure your political tendencies will find an equally anti-western murderer to pin your hopes on.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,394
    Guys, does no one want to talk about the by-election and the end of Starmer?

    I mean come on. It's only been 24 hours.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,790

    Iran at the UN thanks Russia and China for their support !!!!

    This is also unwittingly helpful. So they’re helping His Majesty’s Treasury by putting millionaires off hot footing it to Dubai to enjoy their money amongst the influencers and crypto bros. And now they’re helping to persuade Trump and his mates that maybe, just maybe, Russia isn’t America’s friend after all.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 958

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Now the murdeous Ayotollah is dead…are u ok hun?
    I've never supported the Ayotollah as you well know.

    I've made it clean Netanyahu is as evil and bad and needs eradicating too
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,729
    edited February 28

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    Who said anything about 1:1? I can’t be arsed to dig out my thesis on just war, so this is what Google tells me:

    Key Aspects of Proportionality:

    Jus ad Bellum (Resort to War): The overall evil or destruction caused by the war must not exceed the good to be achieved or the wrong to be righted.

    Jus in Bello (Conduct in War): Individual military acts must avoid causing incidental loss of civilian life or damage to civilian objects that is excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.

    Goal: To limit damage by ensuring that the scale of violence is not disproportionate to the objectives, aiming to avoid "bombing into the Stone Age" when a limited, less destructive action can achieve the goal.

    Israel was justified ad Bellum, but their behaviour in bello was unacceptable. For example machine-gunning ambulances is typically regarded as inappropriate
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,394

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    Assuming Ayatollah Khamenei is Dead, now comes the complicated part.

    Does the U.S. allow his son/deputy to take power (as they did in Venezuela last month)?

    Does the U.S. leave a power vacuum (as they did in Iraq)?

    Does the U.S. occupy the country for a decade to stabilize it (as they did in Germany/Japan)?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,200
    Intel lady does an excellent Hannah Spencer.

    https://youtu.be/ctbOiR4S_vw?si=0lTpxxjmpgqSqbwn
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,086


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    Assuming Ayatollah Khamenei is Dead, now comes the complicated part.

    Does the U.S. allow his son/deputy to take power (as they did in Venezuela last month)?

    Does the U.S. leave a power vacuum (as they did in Iraq)?

    Does the U.S. occupy the country for a decade to stabilize it (as they did in Germany/Japan)?

    It looks like it will be the first.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,811
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Now the murdeous Ayotollah is dead…are u ok hun?
    I've never supported the Ayotollah as you well know.

    I've made it clean Netanyahu is as evil and bad and needs eradicating too
    But you’re sad though. And you’re an anti-democrat, with quite nasty facist tendencies so we can safely hope you retire to whatever Labour bot-farm you came from.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,187

    kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    It was collective punishment of a 2m population for an atrocity that most of them were wholly innocent of.
    It was war.
    Just saying "it was war" doesn't justify the conduct of it. There'd be no such thing as war crimes if it did.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,394
    Andy_JS said:

    Great work by the Trump administration today.

    just feels like at every layer of the security/military/diplomatic washington circular world they passed on a note from their desk saying - no way, don't do it, christ, madness, play it safe, what if...

    ...and then it reached the King of Dementia.



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504
    Whoever was invited to the meeting but mysteriously didn't show up should probably get out of the country just to be safe.

    A senior US defense official tells me that the US government agrees with the Israeli assessment that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is dead, along with 5-10 other top Iranian leaders who were all meeting at a compound in Tehran Saturday morning. The top IRGC commander also killed.

    Multiple sources tell me that the timeline for the strike had to be moved up based on intelligence and this “target of opportunity.”
    https://nitter.poast.org/JenGriffinFNC/status/2027840955684933873#m
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504
    MelonB said:

    Iran at the UN thanks Russia and China for their support !!!!

    This is also unwittingly helpful. So they’re helping His Majesty’s Treasury by putting millionaires off hot footing it to Dubai to enjoy their money amongst the influencers and crypto bros. And now they’re helping to persuade Trump and his mates that maybe, just maybe, Russia isn’t America’s friend after all.
    Dubai bros are probably not going to hotfoot it back to blighty if the region destabilised, they'll find another place.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    It was collective punishment of a 2m population for an atrocity that most of them were wholly innocent of.
    It was war.
    Just saying "it was war" doesn't justify the conduct of it. There'd be no such thing as war crimes if it did.
    Well exactly. One hardly needs to be in the crowd of people objecting to any Israeli retaliation to think not every action is justified in reaction to an atrocity. Leaving aside any moral questions there are practical reasons too.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,086


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    Assuming Ayatollah Khamenei is Dead, now comes the complicated part.

    Does the U.S. allow his son/deputy to take power (as they did in Venezuela last month)?

    Does the U.S. leave a power vacuum (as they did in Iraq)?

    Does the U.S. occupy the country for a decade to stabilize it (as they did in Germany/Japan)?

    Option 3 definitely won’t happen . The Revolutionary Guard seem to want to put one of their own in quickly to take over as leader.

    It’s a complicated set up in Iran with the guard and the normal army . If the regime is to collapse it needs to happen quickly whilst there’s a vacuum in the leadership .

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,200


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    Assuming Ayatollah Khamenei is Dead, now comes the complicated part.

    Does the U.S. allow his son/deputy to take power (as they did in Venezuela last month)?

    Does the U.S. leave a power vacuum (as they did in Iraq)?

    Does the U.S. occupy the country for a decade to stabilize it (as they did in Germany/Japan)?

    It looks like it will be the first.
    If the Iranian regime is sensible, they'll at least try and give the appearance of radical change - new guy wears a suit, signs a deal and introduces some performative liberalisations. Give Trump a win and encourage him to call it all off.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504
    I'm a work from the office guy myself, but I suppose there are benefits to WFH as well.

    None of this would have happened if they had a Teams meeting instead.
    https://nitter.poast.org/yuanyi_z/status/2027843398145642960#m
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,432
    Meanwhile, one for Leon, from the Guardian: A North Carolina man has challenged anyone on earth to disprove his claim of having the world’s smallest penis as he advocates against body shaming and aims to raise awareness about the medical condition known as micropenis.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,059
    edited February 28
    Testing, testing. Looks like Cloudflare has stopped objecting to your DNS entries now and taken the new config.
    rcs1000 said:

    I think everyone should be on the new server now. Any problems, feel free to email me. It's my username... at Google's famous email service.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,000
    Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,000
    Bloody Sundays and the Ayatollah replacement service
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Tel Aviv under attack live on Sky

    Brilliant hope they get Bibi

    An eye for an eye.

    The democratically elected leader of a free democracy, or the authoritarian dictator?

    Yeah that's the same.
    The democratically elected leader of a free Country who like Adolph Hitler commuted war crimes.

    Netanyahu is a cancer on the Jewish state and the majority of Israelis want him out.

    War keeps him out of jail

    Let him call election, you know and I know he'll lose.
    What war crimes?

    Fighting a just war is not a crime. The deaths are thanks to Hamas.

    Not like slaughtering your own civilians in cold blood.

    There will be an election in Israel this year and I hope he loses, and I hope his successor is just as forceful at fighting any enemies.
    Proportionality is a key underpinning of a just war. Israel’s response in Gaza was not proportional no matter how horrific the losses.
    Yes it was. It was required to defeat Hamas.

    Proportionality is about necessity, not a 1:1 ratio.

    Until Hamas surrendered, defeating them was necessary.
    It was collective punishment of a 2m population for an atrocity that most of them were wholly innocent of.
    It was war.
    Just saying "it was war" doesn't justify the conduct of it. There'd be no such thing as war crimes if it did.
    It justifies casualties, if they are proportionate, which they were.

    People here were mouthing off about "2 million dead", instead we got a death toll a tiny percentage of that.

    A death toll lower than we inflicted in Iraq.

    Well done Israel. Good job.
  • Bloody Sundays and the Ayatollah replacement service
    I assume this means Pez is dead.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,811
    I wonder if Starmerbot will now try and take credit by stating he put British planes in the air?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,000

    Bloody Sundays and the Ayatollah replacement service
    I assume this means Pez is dead.
    Could be, could be
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,105

    Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables

    Best bit

    “ Starmer survives for the time being. But now that he has lost his chief of staff and other key confidantes, those who understand the byzantine machinations of the Labour Party say he is at the mercy of the “soft left” (not to be confused, presumably, with the crunchy left, the salted caramel left and the smooth hazelnut praline left).”
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,360
    Pro_Rata said:

    Testing, testing. Looks like Cloudflare has stopped objecting to your DNS entries now and taken the new config.


    rcs1000 said:

    I think everyone should be on the new server now. Any problems, feel free to email me. It's my username... at Google's famous email service.

    Yes... moving the server was easy.

    Getting Cloudflare and Vanilla happy again was the hard part.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,774

    Andy_JS said:

    Great work by the Trump administration today.

    just feels like at every layer of the security/military/diplomatic washington circular world they passed on a note from their desk saying - no way, don't do it, christ, madness, play it safe, what if...

    ...and then it reached the King of Dementia.

    The CIA apparently thinks he'll be replaced with an IRGC hardliner.

    We've seen story after story being leaked where essentially the military and intelligence community are saying "it can get worse" but Trump needs an easy "win" to shut up the press for a while.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,105

    Bloody Sundays and the Ayatollah replacement service
    I assume this means Pez is dead.
    Could be, could be
    Hmmmm


  • glw said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Great work by the Trump administration today.

    just feels like at every layer of the security/military/diplomatic washington circular world they passed on a note from their desk saying - no way, don't do it, christ, madness, play it safe, what if...

    ...and then it reached the King of Dementia.

    The CIA apparently thinks he'll be replaced with an IRGC hardliner.

    We've seen story after story being leaked where essentially the military and intelligence community are saying "it can get worse" but Trump needs an easy "win" to shut up the press for a while.
    It is a win, no matter what.

    Hopefully this leads to freedom. If a new dictator arises who is worse, then we should seek another win and eliminate him too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    Assuming Ayatollah Khamenei is Dead, now comes the complicated part.

    Does the U.S. allow his son/deputy to take power (as they did in Venezuela last month)?

    Does the U.S. leave a power vacuum (as they did in Iraq)?

    Does the U.S. occupy the country for a decade to stabilize it (as they did in Germany/Japan)?

    It looks like it will be the first.
    If the Iranian regime is sensible, they'll at least try and give the appearance of radical change - new guy wears a suit, signs a deal and introduces some performative liberalisations.
    Worked for President Al-Sharaa.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,774

    glw said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Great work by the Trump administration today.

    just feels like at every layer of the security/military/diplomatic washington circular world they passed on a note from their desk saying - no way, don't do it, christ, madness, play it safe, what if...

    ...and then it reached the King of Dementia.

    The CIA apparently thinks he'll be replaced with an IRGC hardliner.

    We've seen story after story being leaked where essentially the military and intelligence community are saying "it can get worse" but Trump needs an easy "win" to shut up the press for a while.
    It is a win, no matter what.

    Hopefully this leads to freedom. If a new dictator arises who is worse, then we should seek another win and eliminate him too.
    That is just a "roll the dice" argument.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,300
    I hope that Israel and the US have been arming rebels in theast few weeks since the protests. The people of Iran need the tools to over throw what remains of the regime and disband the IRGC.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,960
    MaxPB said:

    I hope that Israel and the US have been arming rebels in theast few weeks since the protests. The people of Iran need the tools to over throw what remains of the regime and disband the IRGC.

    They have cranes, and they have ropes. Put them to good use.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,202
    Brixian59 said:

    Eabhal said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    An Iranian drone has just hit Dubai International Airport.

    That's just fucking stupid and beyond self-defeating.

    The Gulf Kingdoms want to do business, and this is bad for business. What's left of the Iranian Regime is just signing its own death warrant.
    Are you really surprised that they fire back when attacked?

    You are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5
    I don't think the resident guests at the Fairmont were the ones launching the missiles.

    Hitting Dubai/Bahrain/Qatar civilian targets is a bad strategy and also demonstrates that no one left in the command has a clue.
    The Iranians are reacting to the assassination of their head of state and senior leadership. I don't think they will be restrained this time, they've a limited window to strike the US assets and allies in the region.

    IMO this is now a full blooded war and we're going to see attacks like this for months. The Israelis do not show restraint when attacking civilian infrastructure do you think the Iranians will?
    AI thinks they have 80,000 Shaheds with potential production of 100,000 per year. If it really is the IRGC taking over and they are going full death cult, it's going to take an epic and sustained air campaign over months to suppress them. Hamas still exists in Gaza after 2.5 years, 70,000 dead and 80% of buildings damaged or destroyed. Iran has 50x the population, 4,000x the land area.
    Trump doesn’t want a long war, although Netanyahu possibly does.
    He might get one anyway if they keep pinging drones at the Gulf States. Before it was limited to the threat to Israel - now it's a whole bunch of allies and some of the most important oil exporters in the world.
    May be Trump just wants to destroy Iran, blockade the Middle East and then pump baby pump to the world

    Screw over everyone
    Saudi will take one for the team - and "pump 3m extra barrels a day, if we must..."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,202

    Bloody Sundays and the Ayatollah replacement service
    I assume this means Pez is dead.
    "Prez is dead, baby, Prez is dead..."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,440
    "Mossad Commentary
    @MOSSADil

    Poll: Should President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu receive the Nobel Peace Prize for eliminating Khamenei?

    Yes
    77.8%

    No
    18.1%

    Not Sure
    4.1%

    5,008 votes"

    https://x.com/MOSSADil/status/2027874226787463418
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,863
    Iran hits Abu Dhabi airport as well

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027887906350657700
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,440

    Iran hits Abu Dhabi airport as well

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2027887906350657700

    They seem to be very good at hitting other Muslim countries, which shows how bankrupt they are.
  • Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables

    This is where I suspect the polls are headed with everyone basically tying for second and third place.

    Tories will lead the polls by the end of this year consistently IMHO.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,202
    Trump is having a great foreign policy 2026:

    - Venezuela - head of the snake cut off, oil revenues going to Trump Swiss bank account

    - Iran - head of the snake cut off, oil revenues soon to be going to Trump Swiss bank account

    - Cuba - economy has crashed, no oil, desperate to become the 51st state and get oil supplied from some dodgy Swiss trust middlemen.

    All he needs now is for Russia to cut off the head of the snake, and Trump can get the shadow oil fleet to fly a Trump flag and divert funds to the Trump Swiss bank accounts AND get the Ukrainians to send a "peace dividend" to the Trump Swiss bank account....
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,790

    Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables

    Unusually lefty polling. That’s RefCon 42%, LLG 47%. Which somewhat undermines the bloc idea and suggests Green and Reform are perhaps part of the same “let’s just spin the wheel” voter tendency.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,202

    Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables

    This is where I suspect the polls are headed with everyone basically tying for second and third place.

    Tories will lead the polls by the end of this year consistently IMHO.
    Another month of this trend gives

    Green 20
    Ref 19
    Con 19
    Lab 16
    LD 11

    Which tees up a nice Kemi vs Greens decision come the next election....
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,406
    A Good Time to bury Good News:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6q0l9e7plo

    "Minister Josh Simons resigns after Labour Together claims"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,504

    Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables

    This is where I suspect the polls are headed with everyone basically tying for second and third place.

    Tories will lead the polls by the end of this year consistently IMHO.
    Would be very helpful for them to get some before May, and have a somewhat decent local elections, otherwise narratives can be reset.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,202
    edited 12:03AM
    Turms out Team America: World Police was a documentary:

    "Hey terrorist: terrorise THIS!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDCylwb2dHk
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,388
    'Andy Burnham would forge an alliance with the Green Party and rip up the first-past-the-post electoral system if he succeeds Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister, supporters of the Manchester mayor have said.

    Labour's devastating defeat in Thursday's Gorton and Denton by-election has left his leadership rivals circling ominously, with Mr Burnham the favourite among both Labour voters and the wider electorate – even though he is not an MP...The research, by polling expert and former Conservative deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft, rates Mr Burnham as the 'best Prime Minister' among the Labour leadership contenders, on 27 per cent, ahead of Ed Miliband on 8 per cent, and Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting both on 6 per cent.

    It also indicates that a coalition between Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Zack Polanski's Greens would beat a Tory/Reform UK coalition by 43 per cent to 33 per cent.

    It is understood that Mr Burnham is trying to persuade Marie Rimmer, the veteran Labour MP for St Helens South and Whiston, to stand aside to let him return to the Commons...Separately, there are claims that former Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner has privately told Mr Burnham that she would not put herself forward for the leadership role if he was a candidate.

    However, she is said to be ready to do so to stop Health Secretary Wes Streeting getting the job if a contest began before Mr Burnham could return to the Commons.

    Most Labour MPs believe that Sir Keir will not face a leadership challenge until after the May local elections.

    Last night, Mr Burnham said the claims about him were 'made up'.

    But a Green Party spokesman welcomed his support for PR, adding: 'It is the best thing for representative democracy, even if Labour are coming to it now to protect themselves against annihilation in the 2029 General Election.'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602455/Andy-Burnham-cut-deal-Polanski-Manchester-mayor-tops-poll-replace-PM.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,388
    edited 12:08AM

    Ashcroft is out for the month and is interesting to say the least (if non BPC!)

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2026/02/the-left-at-each-others-throats-disdain-for-the-failed-tories-in-reform-but-can-resurgent-kemi-take-advantage/

    Ref 22 (-3)
    Con 20 (-1)
    Grn 19 (+1)
    Lab 17 (-1)
    LD 11 (=)

    If my calcs are correct from the tables

    Interesting poll and taken post the Green win in the Gorton and Denton by election.

    Nowcast gives Reform 202 MPs, Conservatives 130, Greens 83, Labour 73 and LDs 68 and SNP 45 on those numbers.

    So most likely a hung parliament and Reform minority government led by Farage but with Kemi Leader of the Opposition and the Greens overtaking Labour as the main party of the left and replacing the LDs as the main third party as well
    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast/custom
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,086
    Trump and Netenyahu couldn’t give a fig about the Iranian civilians . They’d happily make a deal with a weakened Iran as the bodies pile up in the streets .

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