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An effective ad? – politicalbetting.com

Keir Starmer’s government is collapsing and Britain’s economy is being strangled by confusion and chaos.Meanwhile over at Reform UK… pic.twitter.com/9llXmDffcf

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  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,080
    The economy is actually doing quite well.

    Perfectly possible within a year Starmer’s replacement is overseeing a strong economy.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,792
    edited February 10
    First, despite actually watching the header? Surely not.

    [Nope, second class, like Keir]
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,602
    edited February 10
    First?
    Not.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    edited February 10
    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Americans spend more on OnlyFans than the NYT and ChatGPT combined

    Did the tech bros factor this into their calculations that everybody will happily pay $200-2000 / month for super intelligence, rather than spending on looking at boobies?

    It has been claimed that the porn industry has been among the most effective early users of new technologies like online payments and streaming video. If there's truth to that perhaps we should await its efforts on AI to bear fruit, as it might be better than Open AI and not cost a trillion dollars.
    Human Only Fans Thots are going to get absolutely buggered (in a different way to usual).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    edited February 10
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    The economy is actually doing quite well.

    Perfectly possible within a year Starmer’s replacement is overseeing a strong economy.

    Growth revised down, growth predictions revised down, no growth over 1.x% before the next GE, unemployment up, Rachels headroom looks in danger of evaporating by the next budget...if that is doing quite well, I hate to think what bad is.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,595
    edited February 10
    nico67 said:

    What a bunch of hypocrites Reform are given they advertised for jobs with working from home as a possibility.

    And how can you force employers to not allow working from home . Will Reform be fining employers . And what about those who might be disabled and working from home is their best chance of working .

    I think there is something in the point that WFH is bad for people's mental health. I have done it for years and it is a lonely experience. I would love to work in a busy trading room again.

    But on a practical level, it seems insane to think that I used to spend over two hours a day commuting to do something I can do at home anyway. WFH is here to stay, the cure for the social ills probably is 15 minute cities, and hubs for people to work/socialise in

    Whatever, Rupert Lowe is right to criticise Farage over this - what has it got to do with the state how people and employers choose to arrange their business?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,933
    Interestingly Suella voted with Jenrick in the wrong lobby, those two are joined at the hip
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    The economy is actually doing quite well.

    Perfectly possible within a year Starmer’s replacement is overseeing a strong economy.

    What makes you say that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,279
    edited February 10
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Americans spend more on OnlyFans than the NYT and ChatGPT combined

    Did the tech bros factor this into their calculations that everybody will happily pay $200-2000 / month for super intelligence, rather than spending on looking at boobies?

    It has been claimed that the porn industry has been among the most effective early users of new technologies like online payments and streaming video. If there's truth to that perhaps we should await its efforts on AI to bear fruit, as it might be better than Open AI and not cost a trillion dollars.
    Human Only Fans Thots are going to get absolutely buggered (in a different way to usual).
    I have to deal with the porn industry at work (I love my job.)

    I still haven't gotten over this stat from a few years ago, there was a HIV outbreak in the US porn industry, so they had shut down production for a few weeks and it skewed the GDP of California and the jobs market for a month or two.

    There's some other stats about the amount Mindgeek the people behind Pornhub spend on server costs, it's like one of the biggest customers of AWS but I have gazillions of backups.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    I have been distracted this evening by CALL MY BLUFF and FACE THE MUSIC on BBC 4.

    Entertainment pure and simple.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,412
    @crobertcargill.bsky.social‬

    Holy shit. Ro Khanna fucking did it. He just went up there and read the six redacted names into record and threw down the gauntlet, challenging conservatives to join the fight against the "Epstein Class." Did we just see our generations' "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" moment?

    https://bsky.app/profile/crobertcargill.bsky.social/post/3mejshan6mc2j
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,679
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032726001825

    Reducing social media use decreases loneliness regardless of gender or level of social comparisons in youth with anxiety and depression: A randomized controlled trial

    Loneliness and feeling socially isolated is especially problematic in youth experiencing anxiety and depressive symptoms. Social media use (SMU) was designed to promote social connection, but correlational studies suggest it is often associated with greater loneliness and mental health problems, with girls and those who engage in more frequent upward social comparisons being more negatively impacted by SMU. However, experimental studies are needed to gain insights into causality, especially in a vulnerable population of youth with affective distress. The present study experimentally investigated the effects of voluntarily reducing SMU to 1 h/day on loneliness, and whether intervention effects were moderated by gender and/or baseline levels of social comparisons in youth with pre-existing symptoms of anxiety and/or depression. After completing a baseline survey and providing daily screenshots of SMU for one week, 260 participants were randomly assigned to an intervention (reduce SMU to 1 h/day) or control group (no SMU restriction) for the next three weeks. A total of 219 participants completed the study and were included for analysis. Mixed models indicated a significant group x time interaction whereby the intervention group showed significantly greater reductions in loneliness compared to controls (β = −0.11, 95% CI [−0.21, −0.005]). However, neither gender (β = 0.23, 95% CI [−0.16, 0.63]) nor baseline social comparison (β = −0.04, 95% CI [−0.24, 0.15]) moderated these intervention effects. These findings suggest that reducing SMU may represent an important intervention component in a comprehensive approach to combating loneliness among a vulnerable population of youth presenting with affective distress.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,778
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    The economy is actually doing quite well.

    Perfectly possible within a year Starmer’s replacement is overseeing a strong economy.

    Growth revised down, growth predictions revised down, no growth over 1.x% before the next GE, unemployment up, Rachels headroom looks in danger of evaporating by the next budget...if that is doing quite well, I hate to think what bad is.
    It’s doing poorly at the moment. The one bright spot is the PMI at a 17month high but we have a high tax and high spend govt and if Starmer goes (along with Reeves) that will only get worse.

  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,515
    I really like Claire Coutinho

    She’s a mathematician, and she’s articulate, intelligent and attractive. She opposes Miliband effectively

    Her parents are Goan. Her dad was an anaesthetist called Winston
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    There's been no sign of any improvement in Britain's rock bottom investment rates.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    Scott_xP said:

    @crobertcargill.bsky.social‬

    Holy shit. Ro Khanna fucking did it. He just went up there and read the six redacted names into record and threw down the gauntlet, challenging conservatives to join the fight against the "Epstein Class." Did we just see our generations' "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" moment?

    https://bsky.app/profile/crobertcargill.bsky.social/post/3mejshan6mc2j

    Well one of those names isn't exactly a surprise.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,778
    Rock royalty, and backing singer for the Felix Pet Food ads, Robbie Williams, is at St Andrews for the big game against Ollbeeyun.

    https://x.com/bcfc/status/2021315995852247468?s=61
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,502
    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    What a bunch of hypocrites Reform are given they advertised for jobs with working from home as a possibility.

    And how can you force employers to not allow working from home . Will Reform be fining employers . And what about those who might be disabled and working from home is their best chance of working .

    I think there is something in the point that WFH is bad for people's mental health. I have done it for years and it is a lonely experience. I would love to work in a busy trading room again.

    But on a practical level, it seems insane to think that I used to spend over two hours a day commuting to do something I can do at home anyway. WFH is here to stay, the cure for the social ills probably is 15 minute cities, and hubs for people to work/socialise in

    Whatever, Rupert Lowe is right to criticise Farage over this - what has it got to do with the state how people and employers choose to arrange their business?
    WFH will be bad for mental health if you work for someone that expects you not to leave your computer between 8am and 8pm, and expects you to reply to emails outwith these hours and at weekends.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,483
    Oh no, not another one... It looks like Starmer has had to delete a tweet.

    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/2021320618805735899
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,778
    BlancheLivermore said:

    I really like Claire Coutinho

    She’s a mathematician, and she’s articulate, intelligent and attractive. She opposes Miliband effectively

    Her parents are Goan. Her dad was an anaesthetist called Winston

    I’ve seen her on Twitter. She seems bright and focussed on her brief and challenging Ed Miliband.

    There’s a lack of opposition on some briefs but she’s on top of hers.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,184
    LostPassword said:

    There's been no sign of any improvement in Britain's rock bottom investment rates.

    On the other hand, that massive capital expenditure hasn't done Japan much good.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    williamglenn said:

    Oh no, not another one... It looks like Starmer has had to delete a tweet.

    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/2021320618805735899

    So the guy not only Labour, not only involved in the OSA, also worked for Hope not Hate, awks.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    rcs1000 said:

    LostPassword said:

    There's been no sign of any improvement in Britain's rock bottom investment rates.

    On the other hand, that massive capital expenditure hasn't done Japan much good.
    Their railway system is okay.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    Kemi in with the two footed challenge,

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2021317422200860992?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,566
    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).
  • isamisam Posts: 43,595
    Fairliered said:

    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    What a bunch of hypocrites Reform are given they advertised for jobs with working from home as a possibility.

    And how can you force employers to not allow working from home . Will Reform be fining employers . And what about those who might be disabled and working from home is their best chance of working .

    I think there is something in the point that WFH is bad for people's mental health. I have done it for years and it is a lonely experience. I would love to work in a busy trading room again.

    But on a practical level, it seems insane to think that I used to spend over two hours a day commuting to do something I can do at home anyway. WFH is here to stay, the cure for the social ills probably is 15 minute cities, and hubs for people to work/socialise in

    Whatever, Rupert Lowe is right to criticise Farage over this - what has it got to do with the state how people and employers choose to arrange their business?
    WFH will be bad for mental health if you work for someone that expects you not to leave your computer between 8am and 8pm, and expects you to reply to emails outwith these hours and at weekends.
    I work pretty much for myself. There is a silent partner that doesn’t interfere at all, but it’s still worse for my mental health that working in an office with other people, in my opinion
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    williamglenn said:

    Oh no, not another one... It looks like Starmer has had to delete a tweet.

    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/2021320618805735899

    So the guy not only Labour, not only involved in the OSA, also worked for Hope not Hate, awks.
    The assumption at this stage has to be that any sufficiently large* organisation has previously had, or currently has, a sex offender working for them, and if you don't know about it that's just because they haven't been caught yet.

    The question is what action you take once it is discovered. You don't want to be covering it up like the SWP did with comrade delta.

    * Probably not that large.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    Also didnt stop Tom Watson being rewarded.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,595
    bondegezou said:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032726001825

    Reducing social media use decreases loneliness regardless of gender or level of social comparisons in youth with anxiety and depression: A randomized controlled trial

    Loneliness and feeling socially isolated is especially problematic in youth experiencing anxiety and depressive symptoms. Social media use (SMU) was designed to promote social connection, but correlational studies suggest it is often associated with greater loneliness and mental health problems, with girls and those who engage in more frequent upward social comparisons being more negatively impacted by SMU. However, experimental studies are needed to gain insights into causality, especially in a vulnerable population of youth with affective distress. The present study experimentally investigated the effects of voluntarily reducing SMU to 1 h/day on loneliness, and whether intervention effects were moderated by gender and/or baseline levels of social comparisons in youth with pre-existing symptoms of anxiety and/or depression. After completing a baseline survey and providing daily screenshots of SMU for one week, 260 participants were randomly assigned to an intervention (reduce SMU to 1 h/day) or control group (no SMU restriction) for the next three weeks. A total of 219 participants completed the study and were included for analysis. Mixed models indicated a significant group x time interaction whereby the intervention group showed significantly greater reductions in loneliness compared to controls (β = −0.11, 95% CI [−0.21, −0.005]). However, neither gender (β = 0.23, 95% CI [−0.16, 0.63]) nor baseline social comparison (β = −0.04, 95% CI [−0.24, 0.15]) moderated these intervention effects. These findings suggest that reducing SMU may represent an important intervention component in a comprehensive approach to combating loneliness among a vulnerable population of youth presenting with affective distress.

    I found this article yesterday after you had said ivermectin had no effect on cancer, but didn’t link to it as I thought sciencedirect would turn out to be some kind of site for quacks!

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043661820315152
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    isam said:

    Fairliered said:

    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    What a bunch of hypocrites Reform are given they advertised for jobs with working from home as a possibility.

    And how can you force employers to not allow working from home . Will Reform be fining employers . And what about those who might be disabled and working from home is their best chance of working .

    I think there is something in the point that WFH is bad for people's mental health. I have done it for years and it is a lonely experience. I would love to work in a busy trading room again.

    But on a practical level, it seems insane to think that I used to spend over two hours a day commuting to do something I can do at home anyway. WFH is here to stay, the cure for the social ills probably is 15 minute cities, and hubs for people to work/socialise in

    Whatever, Rupert Lowe is right to criticise Farage over this - what has it got to do with the state how people and employers choose to arrange their business?
    WFH will be bad for mental health if you work for someone that expects you not to leave your computer between 8am and 8pm, and expects you to reply to emails outwith these hours and at weekends.
    I work pretty much for myself. There is a silent partner that doesn’t interfere at all, but it’s still worse for my mental health that working in an office with other people, in my opinion
    I go to a hot-desking hub in the nearest town once or twice a week. I get a bit of low stakes social contact, and it's a heck of a lot less travel than driving up to an office in the city would be.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    edited February 10
    Cracks in the ceasefire..

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/10/streeting-still-ready-to-challenge-starmer-despite-show-of-unity-allies-say
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,268
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Kemi in with the two footed challenge,

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2021317422200860992?s=20

    Expect much excitement and fury when certain posters see this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,108
    isam said:

    Fairliered said:

    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    What a bunch of hypocrites Reform are given they advertised for jobs with working from home as a possibility.

    And how can you force employers to not allow working from home . Will Reform be fining employers . And what about those who might be disabled and working from home is their best chance of working .

    I think there is something in the point that WFH is bad for people's mental health. I have done it for years and it is a lonely experience. I would love to work in a busy trading room again.

    But on a practical level, it seems insane to think that I used to spend over two hours a day commuting to do something I can do at home anyway. WFH is here to stay, the cure for the social ills probably is 15 minute cities, and hubs for people to work/socialise in

    Whatever, Rupert Lowe is right to criticise Farage over this - what has it got to do with the state how people and employers choose to arrange their business?
    WFH will be bad for mental health if you work for someone that expects you not to leave your computer between 8am and 8pm, and expects you to reply to emails outwith these hours and at weekends.
    I work pretty much for myself. There is a silent partner that doesn’t interfere at all, but it’s still worse for my mental health that working in an office with other people, in my opinion
    There are downsides to office work, but even somewhat enforced socialisation is good for many people (including me) so long as it is not oppressive. It is easy to get trapped in a lonely spiral.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,483
    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,566
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    Also didnt stop Tom Watson being rewarded.
    A little investigation reveals he retired in 2019, just before a judge declared he had obtained warrants by fraud and lied to an investigating officer.

    How very convenient.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,160
    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Everything after the first three words of your post is superfluous.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,566
    On topic, I think Benny Hill would be a bit annoyed. Jenrick is more like something out of The Goodies.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Their policy idea on banning the weirdos who fly to the UK to film drunk women staggering around the streets?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,420
    kle4 said:

    isam said:

    Fairliered said:

    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    What a bunch of hypocrites Reform are given they advertised for jobs with working from home as a possibility.

    And how can you force employers to not allow working from home . Will Reform be fining employers . And what about those who might be disabled and working from home is their best chance of working .

    I think there is something in the point that WFH is bad for people's mental health. I have done it for years and it is a lonely experience. I would love to work in a busy trading room again.

    But on a practical level, it seems insane to think that I used to spend over two hours a day commuting to do something I can do at home anyway. WFH is here to stay, the cure for the social ills probably is 15 minute cities, and hubs for people to work/socialise in

    Whatever, Rupert Lowe is right to criticise Farage over this - what has it got to do with the state how people and employers choose to arrange their business?
    WFH will be bad for mental health if you work for someone that expects you not to leave your computer between 8am and 8pm, and expects you to reply to emails outwith these hours and at weekends.
    I work pretty much for myself. There is a silent partner that doesn’t interfere at all, but it’s still worse for my mental health that working in an office with other people, in my opinion
    There are downsides to office work, but even somewhat enforced socialisation is good for many people (including me) so long as it is not oppressive. It is easy to get trapped in a lonely spiral.
    Today I was in the office. I got less work done than if I'd been at home, but I did get to chat to several people, and grabbed some leftover sandwiches from a buffet lunch.

    Hybrid working works for me.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,092
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I think Benny Hill would be a bit annoyed. Jenrick is more like something out of The Goodies.

    Whereas YourParty is straight out of Monty Python.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,420
    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    If is isn't a defection, it isn't newsworthy.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    He retired on a full pension in 2019 after 30 years as a police officer.

    The Daily Mail has the details.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9247477/Operation-Midland-ruined-lives-no-officer-worked-case-sanctioned.html
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,092
    Chris said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Everything after the first three words of your post is superfluous.
    Don't mention 'three words' - you'll trigger the knapper.

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,778
    squareroot2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
    They’re just desperate for attention.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,679
    isam said:

    bondegezou said:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032726001825

    Reducing social media use decreases loneliness regardless of gender or level of social comparisons in youth with anxiety and depression: A randomized controlled trial

    Loneliness and feeling socially isolated is especially problematic in youth experiencing anxiety and depressive symptoms. Social media use (SMU) was designed to promote social connection, but correlational studies suggest it is often associated with greater loneliness and mental health problems, with girls and those who engage in more frequent upward social comparisons being more negatively impacted by SMU. However, experimental studies are needed to gain insights into causality, especially in a vulnerable population of youth with affective distress. The present study experimentally investigated the effects of voluntarily reducing SMU to 1 h/day on loneliness, and whether intervention effects were moderated by gender and/or baseline levels of social comparisons in youth with pre-existing symptoms of anxiety and/or depression. After completing a baseline survey and providing daily screenshots of SMU for one week, 260 participants were randomly assigned to an intervention (reduce SMU to 1 h/day) or control group (no SMU restriction) for the next three weeks. A total of 219 participants completed the study and were included for analysis. Mixed models indicated a significant group x time interaction whereby the intervention group showed significantly greater reductions in loneliness compared to controls (β = −0.11, 95% CI [−0.21, −0.005]). However, neither gender (β = 0.23, 95% CI [−0.16, 0.63]) nor baseline social comparison (β = −0.04, 95% CI [−0.24, 0.15]) moderated these intervention effects. These findings suggest that reducing SMU may represent an important intervention component in a comprehensive approach to combating loneliness among a vulnerable population of youth presenting with affective distress.

    I found this article yesterday after you had said ivermectin had no effect on cancer, but didn’t link to it as I thought sciencedirect would turn out to be some kind of site for quacks!

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043661820315152
    Thanks. Studies based on action in a test tube are a start, but only a start. There’s no evidence of in-human effectiveness, as this explainer covers: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/about-us/latest-news/news-and-stories/cancer-and-ivermectin
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,049
    Taz said:

    squareroot2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
    They’re just desperate for attention.
    You talk about them all the time....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,108
    edited February 10
    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    The Henriques Report into Operation Midland is revealing in how the police defended such things, and continued to do so throughout even when very clearly prejudicial to proper investigatory practice. I believe on the 'credible and true' remark they claimed it did not show a closed mind (even though it clearly does), and basically their overriding concern was not dissuading other 'victims'. But unlike some other actions they at least expressed regret, so all's good, right?

    2.3.8.60 I wrote the paragraphs on 'Belief' in Chapter 1 some little time ago, and observed 'that the policy of believing victims strikes at the very core of the criminal justice process'. I have no doubt that the policy adversely affected the judgement of officers in this case. The DSU specifically refers to
    the policy affecting his judgement in relation to his 'credible and true' statement. I believe it affected the decision to delay visiting ‘Nick's’ mother, because they' believed' ‘Nick’, and it affected decisions in relation to ‘Nick's’ injuries, his computer, his phone, and his journals. Those who contend for the policy will assert that the officers misapplied the policy. The problem with enforcing an artificial belief in the truth of an allegation is that it deprives the officer of the ability to make an independent decision as to the veracity of what they are hearing. The SIO spent 17 hours, under direction, to 'believe' ‘Nick’ as she watched the ABE videos from beginning to end. If one policy decision results from this review I trust that the instruction to 'believe' a victim's account will cease.
    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/other_information/corporate/mps-publication-chapters-1---3-sir-richard-henriques-report.pdf

    I don't know if they have, but I recall how much in the report some argued against doing that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,679
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Cracks in the ceasefire..

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/10/streeting-still-ready-to-challenge-starmer-despite-show-of-unity-allies-say

    Maybe Trump can negotiate a permanent peace. He’s good at that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,092
    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla

    NEW: Labour is increasingly confident that it could hold Gorton and Denton

    And after blocking Andy Burnham from running as the candidate, it is relying on him to help win the by-election

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2021273348165017658
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Kemi in with the two footed challenge,

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2021317422200860992?s=20

    Legally though....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    squareroot2 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Kemi in with the two footed challenge,

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2021317422200860992?s=20

    Legally though....
    Given the state of the EPL, you never know, seems like you can get the ball and still be looking at a red card.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,730
    squareroot2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
    Free hats for everyone under the age of 25!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    A 13-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after two boys were stabbed at a school in north-west London.

    Officers were called to Kingsbury High School at about 12:40 GMT following reports a 13-year-old boy had been stabbed.

    Police said they were later made aware that a second victim, a 12-year-old boy, had also been stabbed at the scene.

    Both boys were taken to hospital, with one taken to a major trauma centre as a priority. Officers said they were both believed to be in a serious condition.

    Counter-terror officers are leading the investigation but it has not been declared a terrorist incident, the Met Police said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge8yxpj7e1o
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,862
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I think Benny Hill would be a bit annoyed. Jenrick is more like something out of The Goodies.

    I think the Steptoe and Son theme tune would have worked better :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRaiiT3ZnJw
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,574
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I think Benny Hill would be a bit annoyed. Jenrick is more like something out of The Goodies.

    Jenrick is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Goodie.

    Baddie, more like.

    (Whilst almost everything is improved by playing Yakety Sax, the final episode of the Benny Hill Show was in 1989. Hass our shared culture narrowed to the degree that it's the best we have to represent useless clownishness?)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,483
    bondegezou said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Cracks in the ceasefire..

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/10/streeting-still-ready-to-challenge-starmer-despite-show-of-unity-allies-say

    Maybe Trump can negotiate a permanent peace. He’s good at that.
    “With me, Keir, you’ve got some cards. Without me, you just don’t have the minerals.”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,108
    Believe it or not in some parts of the country we hear from the LDs all the time as they are either in power or the principal opposition. Makes it feel kind of surreal that for vast swathes of the country they feel as absent as the SNP in Cornwall.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    edited February 10
    Jenrick is is is is is a a a a a. cccccccccccc....
    .
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,579
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    The Henriques Report into Operation Midland is revealing in how the police defended such things, and continued to do so throughout even when very clearly prejudicial to proper investigatory practice. I believe on the 'credible and true' remark they claimed it did not show a closed mind (even though it clearly does), and basically their overriding concern was not dissuading other 'victims'. But unlike some other actions they at least expressed regret, so all's good, right?

    2.3.8.60 I wrote the paragraphs on 'Belief' in Chapter 1 some little time ago, and observed 'that the policy of believing victims strikes at the very core of the criminal justice process'. I have no doubt that the policy adversely affected the judgement of officers in this case. The DSU specifically refers to
    the policy affecting his judgement in relation to his 'credible and true' statement. I believe it affected the decision to delay visiting ‘Nick's’ mother, because they' believed' ‘Nick’, and it affected decisions in relation to ‘Nick's’ injuries, his computer, his phone, and his journals. Those who contend for the policy will assert that the officers misapplied the policy. The problem with enforcing an artificial belief in the truth of an allegation is that it deprives the officer of the ability to make an independent decision as to the veracity of what they are hearing. The SIO spent 17 hours, under direction, to 'believe' ‘Nick’ as she watched the ABE videos from beginning to end. If one policy decision results from this review I trust that the instruction to 'believe' a victim's account will cease.
    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/other_information/corporate/mps-publication-chapters-1---3-sir-richard-henriques-report.pdf

    I don't know if they have, but I recall how much in the report some argued against doing that.
    I watched the Netflix documentary on Letby last night. Well done and interesting. My daughter has listened to a podcast of the expert press conference in the House of Commons. One of the things that was highly persuasive was that Letby was the only nurse on duty on all 25 of the suspicious cases. But there were originally 60 odd "suspicious" cases and many seem to have been eliminated for the compelling reason that Letby was not on duty.

    The insulin in 2 of the babies seemed to me to be the strongest part of the case but apparently badly administered injections into the muscles rather that the veins could produce such readings and the consultants were in any event using the wrong scale, a scale inappropriate for premature babies.

    I mention this because it seems that this may be yet another case where someone, the expert and the consultants in this case, started with a theory and then bent the evidence to fit. This is human nature. We all do it to some extent. It is something courts have to be particularly careful of. And we find it particularly difficult in highly emotional cases such as the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,730
    kle4 said:

    Believe it or not in some parts of the country we hear from the LDs all the time as they are either in power or the principal opposition. Makes it feel kind of surreal that for vast swathes of the country they feel as absent as the SNP in Cornwall.

    There’s only so many cats that can be stuck up trees to influence appropriate anti-tree-climbing cat legislation.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,415
    edited February 10
    squareroot2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
    Good God. A night of whiny, grumpy PB Tories. Come on lads you've just taken your first big win since December 2019. "Look 'appy you stupid bastards! We won didn't we?"*

    * With thanks to the Italian Job.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,483
    How is a former chief prosecutor supposed to deal with all these liars?

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2021316069894271139

    WATCH: Labour Party Chair Anna Turley says Matthew Doyle - like Peter Mandelson - did not tell "the truth" about his links to a convicted sex offender before Keir Starmer gave him a peerage last month
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,566
    squareroot2 said:

    Jenrick is is is is is a a a a a. cccccccccccc....
    .

    But did he ride the fastest milk cart in the west?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    Very cool,

    gave Seedance 2.0 a grid of images. It read them like a storyboard and animated the whole thing No manual editing. No timeline. It just... knew
    https://x.com/lucatac0/status/2021298549644788087?s=20
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    Mexicanpete said:

    squareroot2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
    Good God. A night of whiny, grumpy PB Tories. Come on lads you've just taken your first big win since December 2019. "Look 'appy you stupid bastards! We won didn't we?"*

    * With thanks to the Italian Job.
    Its laughable that anyone is likely to.pay attention to such a trail . and more unlikely anyone likely to be tuned in desperate to find out.
    I will be walking my dog. She has about as much interest as me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,108
    edited February 10
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    The Henriques Report into Operation Midland is revealing in how the police defended such things, and continued to do so throughout even when very clearly prejudicial to proper investigatory practice. I believe on the 'credible and true' remark they claimed it did not show a closed mind (even though it clearly does), and basically their overriding concern was not dissuading other 'victims'. But unlike some other actions they at least expressed regret, so all's good, right?

    2.3.8.60 I wrote the paragraphs on 'Belief' in Chapter 1 some little time ago, and observed 'that the policy of believing victims strikes at the very core of the criminal justice process'. I have no doubt that the policy adversely affected the judgement of officers in this case. The DSU specifically refers to
    the policy affecting his judgement in relation to his 'credible and true' statement. I believe it affected the decision to delay visiting ‘Nick's’ mother, because they' believed' ‘Nick’, and it affected decisions in relation to ‘Nick's’ injuries, his computer, his phone, and his journals. Those who contend for the policy will assert that the officers misapplied the policy. The problem with enforcing an artificial belief in the truth of an allegation is that it deprives the officer of the ability to make an independent decision as to the veracity of what they are hearing. The SIO spent 17 hours, under direction, to 'believe' ‘Nick’ as she watched the ABE videos from beginning to end. If one policy decision results from this review I trust that the instruction to 'believe' a victim's account will cease.
    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/other_information/corporate/mps-publication-chapters-1---3-sir-richard-henriques-report.pdf

    I don't know if they have, but I recall how much in the report some argued against doing that.
    I watched the Netflix documentary on Letby last night. Well done and interesting. My daughter has listened to a podcast of the expert press conference in the House of Commons. One of the things that was highly persuasive was that Letby was the only nurse on duty on all 25 of the suspicious cases. But there were originally 60 odd "suspicious" cases and many seem to have been eliminated for the compelling reason that Letby was not on duty.

    The insulin in 2 of the babies seemed to me to be the strongest part of the case but apparently badly administered injections into the muscles rather that the veins could produce such readings and the consultants were in any event using the wrong scale, a scale inappropriate for premature babies.

    I mention this because it seems that this may be yet another case where someone, the expert and the consultants in this case, started with a theory and then bent the evidence to fit. This is human nature. We all do it to some extent. It is something courts have to be particularly careful of. And we find it particularly difficult in highly emotional cases such as the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7.
    Defenders of the case say that the idea it started with a theory was untrue, for example one of the experts brought in to review the data was not told Letby was a suspect, nor even that they had a suspect in mind, and that the case was not principally based purely on statistical probabilities as alleged, so the idea they fixated on Letby and found evidence to fit was not so.

    It was an extremely complex case and so I and very few people could weigh in on it with any confidence (even one learned in justice matters such as yourself), and the possibility of miscarriage is surely always worth exploring, but a lot of online chatter appears to raise points that were addressed at trial as if they were entirely new points, which makes me wary of leaping quickly to an idea there was reasonable doubt when it has actually been tested before, and perfectly content for any review process to play out. If there are threads to pull on that will undermine the conviction, then by all means that should be tugged on.

    But then you have the outright loonies who get mad about Letby being referred to as a serial killer in media and suggest things like libel when she is (in their mind) inevitably cleared, when even if she is indeed a tragically innocent victim in all this, it surely could not be libel to call her a serial killer now, before any such recanting of her conviction.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,092
    Christopher Hale
    @ChristopherHale

    Rumors are spreading that Florida Congressman Neal Dunn is on the verge of resigning, a development that would push House Republicans below the 218-vote majority.

    https://x.com/ChristopherHale/status/2021303549473313169
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,108
    rottenborough said:

    Christopher Hale
    @ChristopherHale

    Rumors are spreading that Florida Congressman Neal Dunn is on the verge of resigning, a development that would push House Republicans below the 218-vote majority.

    https://x.com/ChristopherHale/status/2021303549473313169

    I assume personal circumstances, as I cannot imagine what new revelations in US politics would push anyone further over the edge and decide they cannot continue on, given what they already swallow. And considering they are up for election every 2 years (madness), they don't need to wait long to go even if they won't want to fight another election.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,566
    rottenborough said:

    Christopher Hale
    @ChristopherHale

    Rumors are spreading that Florida Congressman Neal Dunn is on the verge of resigning, a development that would push House Republicans below the 218-vote majority.

    https://x.com/ChristopherHale/status/2021303549473313169

    I suspect that's one election Useless Johnson will expedite and be anxious to seat the new Republican for.

    Unless it's one where DeSantis can put in some drunken Nazi nonce protector pro tem.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,415
    squareroot2 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    squareroot2 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Lib Dems trail a major announcement

    https://x.com/libdems/status/2021299046783054259

    Who cares just fucking tell us..
    Good God. A night of whiny, grumpy PB Tories. Come on lads you've just taken your first big win since December 2019. "Look 'appy you stupid bastards! We won didn't we?"*

    * With thanks to the Italian Job.
    Its laughable that anyone is likely to.pay attention to such a trail . and more unlikely anyone likely to be tuned in desperate to find out.
    I will be walking my dog. She has about as much interest as me.
    It is a well known facts that all dogs love LibDem politicians. Even if they couldn't eat a whole one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    ydoethur said:

    rottenborough said:

    Christopher Hale
    @ChristopherHale

    Rumors are spreading that Florida Congressman Neal Dunn is on the verge of resigning, a development that would push House Republicans below the 218-vote majority.

    https://x.com/ChristopherHale/status/2021303549473313169

    I suspect that's one election Useless Johnson will expedite and be anxious to seat the new Republican for.

    Unless it's one where DeSantis can put in some drunken Nazi nonce protector pro tem.
    Florida's 2nd Congressional District has to be in the running for most sensible looking boundaries of any congressional district.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,579
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    The Henriques Report into Operation Midland is revealing in how the police defended such things, and continued to do so throughout even when very clearly prejudicial to proper investigatory practice. I believe on the 'credible and true' remark they claimed it did not show a closed mind (even though it clearly does), and basically their overriding concern was not dissuading other 'victims'. But unlike some other actions they at least expressed regret, so all's good, right?

    2.3.8.60 I wrote the paragraphs on 'Belief' in Chapter 1 some little time ago, and observed 'that the policy of believing victims strikes at the very core of the criminal justice process'. I have no doubt that the policy adversely affected the judgement of officers in this case. The DSU specifically refers to
    the policy affecting his judgement in relation to his 'credible and true' statement. I believe it affected the decision to delay visiting ‘Nick's’ mother, because they' believed' ‘Nick’, and it affected decisions in relation to ‘Nick's’ injuries, his computer, his phone, and his journals. Those who contend for the policy will assert that the officers misapplied the policy. The problem with enforcing an artificial belief in the truth of an allegation is that it deprives the officer of the ability to make an independent decision as to the veracity of what they are hearing. The SIO spent 17 hours, under direction, to 'believe' ‘Nick’ as she watched the ABE videos from beginning to end. If one policy decision results from this review I trust that the instruction to 'believe' a victim's account will cease.
    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/other_information/corporate/mps-publication-chapters-1---3-sir-richard-henriques-report.pdf

    I don't know if they have, but I recall how much in the report some argued against doing that.
    I watched the Netflix documentary on Letby last night. Well done and interesting. My daughter has listened to a podcast of the expert press conference in the House of Commons. One of the things that was highly persuasive was that Letby was the only nurse on duty on all 25 of the suspicious cases. But there were originally 60 odd "suspicious" cases and many seem to have been eliminated for the compelling reason that Letby was not on duty.

    The insulin in 2 of the babies seemed to me to be the strongest part of the case but apparently badly administered injections into the muscles rather that the veins could produce such readings and the consultants were in any event using the wrong scale, a scale inappropriate for premature babies.

    I mention this because it seems that this may be yet another case where someone, the expert and the consultants in this case, started with a theory and then bent the evidence to fit. This is human nature. We all do it to some extent. It is something courts have to be particularly careful of. And we find it particularly difficult in highly emotional cases such as the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7.
    Defenders of the case say that the idea it started with a theory was untrue, for example one of the experts brought in to review the data was not told Letby was a suspect, nor even that they had a suspect in mind, and that the case was not principally based purely on statistical probabilities as alleged, so the idea they fixated on Letby and found evidence to fit was not so.

    It was an extremely complex case and so I and very few people could weigh in on it with any confidence (even one learned in justice matters such as yourself), and the possibility of miscarriage is surely always worth exploring, but a lot of online chatter appears to raise points that were addressed at trial as if they were entirely new points, which makes me wary of leaping quickly to an idea there was reasonable doubt when it has actually been tested before, and perfectly content for any review process to play out. If there are threads to pull on that will undermine the conviction, then by all means that should be tugged on.

    But then you have the outright loonies who get mad about Letby being referred to as a serial killer in media and suggest things like libel when she is (in their mind) inevitably cleared, when even if she is indeed a tragically innocent victim in all this, it surely could not be libel to call her a serial killer now, before any such recanting of her conviction.
    I don't have a concluded view one way or the other. It is indeed a complex case and some of the notes she wrote and the retention of a lot of papers from the hospital in her house were deeply weird. It just looks a lot less clear cut than it did.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,415
    edited February 10
    squareroot2 said:

    Jenrick is is is is is a a a a a. cccccccccccc....
    .

    Do you remember those more cheerful days when the Tories were in the ascendency and using a c word to describe a politician of the opposite stripe, the word we would use would be "cockwomble"?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,412
    rottenborough said:

    Christopher Hale
    @ChristopherHale

    Rumors are spreading that Florida Congressman Neal Dunn is on the verge of resigning, a development that would push House Republicans below the 218-vote majority.

    https://x.com/ChristopherHale/status/2021303549473313169

    His office denied it already
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    The word i think of Jenrick starts with a T
  • isamisam Posts: 43,595
    bondegezou said:

    isam said:

    bondegezou said:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032726001825

    Reducing social media use decreases loneliness regardless of gender or level of social comparisons in youth with anxiety and depression: A randomized controlled trial

    Loneliness and feeling socially isolated is especially problematic in youth experiencing anxiety and depressive symptoms. Social media use (SMU) was designed to promote social connection, but correlational studies suggest it is often associated with greater loneliness and mental health problems, with girls and those who engage in more frequent upward social comparisons being more negatively impacted by SMU. However, experimental studies are needed to gain insights into causality, especially in a vulnerable population of youth with affective distress. The present study experimentally investigated the effects of voluntarily reducing SMU to 1 h/day on loneliness, and whether intervention effects were moderated by gender and/or baseline levels of social comparisons in youth with pre-existing symptoms of anxiety and/or depression. After completing a baseline survey and providing daily screenshots of SMU for one week, 260 participants were randomly assigned to an intervention (reduce SMU to 1 h/day) or control group (no SMU restriction) for the next three weeks. A total of 219 participants completed the study and were included for analysis. Mixed models indicated a significant group x time interaction whereby the intervention group showed significantly greater reductions in loneliness compared to controls (β = −0.11, 95% CI [−0.21, −0.005]). However, neither gender (β = 0.23, 95% CI [−0.16, 0.63]) nor baseline social comparison (β = −0.04, 95% CI [−0.24, 0.15]) moderated these intervention effects. These findings suggest that reducing SMU may represent an important intervention component in a comprehensive approach to combating loneliness among a vulnerable population of youth presenting with affective distress.

    I found this article yesterday after you had said ivermectin had no effect on cancer, but didn’t link to it as I thought sciencedirect would turn out to be some kind of site for quacks!

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043661820315152
    Thanks. Studies based on action in a test tube are a start, but only a start. There’s no evidence of in-human effectiveness, as this explainer covers: https://www.macmillan.org.uk/about-us/latest-news/news-and-stories/cancer-and-ivermectin
    Someone flagged my post, as if I were giving malicious advice out of badness. I did say I wasn't claiming to be a medical expert of any kind, and was just relating the story of the relative of a friend who has defied the doctors predictions to stay alive, and possibly recover from a "terminal" diagnosis. I was trying to give some hope to @Cyclefree, who seemed very down. I am pleased to read the conclusion of that Science Direct article

    There are some odd people on here

  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,080
    Matt Goodwin running away
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,415
    squareroot2 said:

    The word i think of Jenrick starts with a T

    Don't worry, he'll be back. That was where Enoch went wrong. He remained in purgatory for too long.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,579
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    The economy is actually doing quite well.

    Perfectly possible within a year Starmer’s replacement is overseeing a strong economy.

    What makes you say that?

    We are running a huge deficit that is going up not down. We have very low levels of investment as referred to on this thread. We have very modest levels of growth even if there are some indicators it might pick up a little. We, of course, have a large trade deficit. We have serious problems in our Universities.

    I wouldn't say that things are disastrous but neither would I say quite well. Bumbling along is about as good as you can say.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,415
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Matt Goodwin running away

    Sounds good to me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,092
    Trump: "We should be the lowest interest rate in the world."


    Good luck America!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,933
    '@ElectionMapsUK
    🚨 | Holyrood Nowcast:

    🎗️ SNP: 58 (-6) - 34.6% | 27.8%
    ➡️ RFM: 22 (+22) - 18.8% | 19.0%
    🌹 LAB: 17 (-5) - 16.3% | 16.8%
    🌳 CON: 12 (-19) - 10.8% | 11.8%
    🔶 LDM: 10 (+6) - 9.4% | 10.0%
    🌍 GRN: 10 (+6) - 7.7% | 11.0%'
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2020854437217014263?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,412
    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Officials are trawling records going back more than 25 years to Tony Blair’s government for evidence of inappropriate contact between Lord Mandelson and the paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein,
    @oliver_wright
    reveals

    Civil servants have been told to search government correspondence as far back as Mandelson’s time as Northern Ireland secretary between 1999 and 2001

    Officials are also looking at his stint in government from 2008 to 2010, when Gordon Brown brought him back as business secretary and effectively the deputy prime minister.

    The documents are not expected to be published but any evidence will be sent to Scotland Yard and could result in an extension of the police investigation into Mandelson

    Detectives are expected to interview Mandelson under caution within days on suspicion of misconduct in public office. The offence can carry a life sentence. Mandelson has denied any wrongdoing

    Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein goes back decades.

    In May 2002 he brokered a meeting between Blair and Epstein

    Mandelson had resigned as Northern Ireland secretary the previous year but remained close to the prime minister

    He emailed Jonathan Powell, who was Blair’s chief of staff, highlighting the fact that Bill Clinton had recently told Blair he wanted to introduce his “travelling friend” Epstein

    Mandelson described Epstein in laudatory terms as an “active scientific catalyst/entrepreneur” who has his “finger on the pulse of many world markets and currencies”

    “He’s young and vibrant,” he said. “He’s safe (whatever that means) and Clinton is now doing a lot of travelling with him.” The meeting took place in London on May 14, 2002. Officials described Epstein as “very rich and close to the Duke of York”
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,442
    rottenborough said:

    Trump: "We should be the lowest interest rate in the world."


    Good luck America!!

    Can't wait for the -1,000,000% US interest rate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,092
    Is this the Humber Bridge by-election play?



    Andy Burnham
    @AndyBurnhamGM

    At Levenshulme Station, there are 46 steps from street level to the platforms.

    Many local residents can’t use it.

    They have campaigned for step-free access - and we have listened.

    Work to make the station fully accessible to all starts in Jan 27! 👍🏻🐝

    https://x.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/2021268649223369171
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,515
    I can’t believe that Southampton just beat Leicester

    3-0 down after half an hour, and still after an hour

    Won 3-4 deep into injury time
  • isamisam Posts: 43,595
    This just makes Sir Keir look like a wanker for not helping his brother out. He was DPP, then PM, living in a multi million pound town house, after earning a fortune as a barrister, yet his brother, who has learning difficulties, died in poverty? It shows how little self awareness he has that he thinks this is going to gather sympathy

    https://x.com/bounce_backloan/status/2021234926691959247?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,890
    Matthew Parris tipping John Healey in article in tomorrow's Times.

    Apparently Parris bet on Healey at 40-1 over the weekend.

    He's now 28-1 on Betfair.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,064
    BlancheLivermore said:

    I can’t believe that Southampton just beat Leicester

    3-0 down after half an hour, and still after an hour

    Won 3-4 deep into injury time

    Yep. Very much a game of two halves. First half we played positive attacking football, second half defended timidly, with no pressing, and no counter attacks. The players confidence is shot. Once we conceded a goal the writing was on the wall.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Officials are trawling records going back more than 25 years to Tony Blair’s government for evidence of inappropriate contact between Lord Mandelson and the paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein,
    @oliver_wright
    reveals

    Civil servants have been told to search government correspondence as far back as Mandelson’s time as Northern Ireland secretary between 1999 and 2001

    Officials are also looking at his stint in government from 2008 to 2010, when Gordon Brown brought him back as business secretary and effectively the deputy prime minister.

    The documents are not expected to be published but any evidence will be sent to Scotland Yard and could result in an extension of the police investigation into Mandelson

    Detectives are expected to interview Mandelson under caution within days on suspicion of misconduct in public office. The offence can carry a life sentence. Mandelson has denied any wrongdoing

    Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein goes back decades.

    In May 2002 he brokered a meeting between Blair and Epstein

    Mandelson had resigned as Northern Ireland secretary the previous year but remained close to the prime minister

    He emailed Jonathan Powell, who was Blair’s chief of staff, highlighting the fact that Bill Clinton had recently told Blair he wanted to introduce his “travelling friend” Epstein

    Mandelson described Epstein in laudatory terms as an “active scientific catalyst/entrepreneur” who has his “finger on the pulse of many world markets and currencies”

    “He’s young and vibrant,” he said. “He’s safe (whatever that means) and Clinton is now doing a lot of travelling with him.” The meeting took place in London on May 14, 2002. Officials described Epstein as “very rich and close to the Duke of York”

    This could go places it wasn't supposed to.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,933
    isam said:

    This just makes Sir Keir look like a wanker for not helping his brother out. He was DPP, then PM, living in a multi million pound town house, after earning a fortune as a barrister, yet his brother, who has learning difficulties, died in poverty? It shows how little self awareness he has that he thinks this is going to gather sympathy

    https://x.com/bounce_backloan/status/2021234926691959247?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The local church did rather a lot for him though, rather more than his multi millionaire atheist brother it seems
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/106113572752239/posts/9418984831465020/
  • isamisam Posts: 43,595
    The cry babies can’t even whinge that it’s Find Out Now

    Forced choice head to head on preferred prime minister.
    🌹Starmer v.narrowly edges Farage and Polanski but loses to Davey and Badenoch
    🌳Badenoch wins all four head to heads
    🔶Davey beats Starmer & v.narrowly Farage, but loses to Badenoch
    ➡️ Farage narrowly beats Polanski and loses to Badenoch & v.narrowly Starmer and Davey
    💚Polanski loses to Badenoch & more narrowly Farage & v narrowly Starmer




    https://x.com/luketryl/status/2021311990392852903?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,950
    edited February 10
    isam said:

    This just makes Sir Keir look like a wanker for not helping his brother out. He was DPP, then PM, living in a multi million pound town house, after earning a fortune as a barrister, yet his brother, who has learning difficulties, died in poverty? It shows how little self awareness he has that he thinks this is going to gather sympathy

    https://x.com/bounce_backloan/status/2021234926691959247?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I don't really know the back story. Seems a bit odd, because Starmer did appear to spend money to help out his parents e.g with the infamous donkey paddock. Or is this one of his claims like I wouldn't use private medical care even for my own kids, even if they were at deaths door, its principle of who I am...except I already do with private dentistry.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,387
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Speaking of being gulled by paedophiles, Carl Beech has been released from prison. Less than half his 18-year sentence for perverting the course of justice and taking pornographic images of children served.

    I was wondering, do we know what happened to that total twat of a police officer who swallowed his lies wholesale and repeated accusations against multiple political figures that looked and sounded pretty dubious as being 'credible and true?' I'm guessing he's now an ACC or similar because police officers who are unfit to direct scooters in a kindergarten seem to be rapidly promoted (hello, Cressida Dick).

    The Henriques Report into Operation Midland is revealing in how the police defended such things, and continued to do so throughout even when very clearly prejudicial to proper investigatory practice. I believe on the 'credible and true' remark they claimed it did not show a closed mind (even though it clearly does), and basically their overriding concern was not dissuading other 'victims'. But unlike some other actions they at least expressed regret, so all's good, right?

    2.3.8.60 I wrote the paragraphs on 'Belief' in Chapter 1 some little time ago, and observed 'that the policy of believing victims strikes at the very core of the criminal justice process'. I have no doubt that the policy adversely affected the judgement of officers in this case. The DSU specifically refers to
    the policy affecting his judgement in relation to his 'credible and true' statement. I believe it affected the decision to delay visiting ‘Nick's’ mother, because they' believed' ‘Nick’, and it affected decisions in relation to ‘Nick's’ injuries, his computer, his phone, and his journals. Those who contend for the policy will assert that the officers misapplied the policy. The problem with enforcing an artificial belief in the truth of an allegation is that it deprives the officer of the ability to make an independent decision as to the veracity of what they are hearing. The SIO spent 17 hours, under direction, to 'believe' ‘Nick’ as she watched the ABE videos from beginning to end. If one policy decision results from this review I trust that the instruction to 'believe' a victim's account will cease.
    https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/metropolitan-police/other_information/corporate/mps-publication-chapters-1---3-sir-richard-henriques-report.pdf

    I don't know if they have, but I recall how much in the report some argued against doing that.
    I watched the Netflix documentary on Letby last night. Well done and interesting. My daughter has listened to a podcast of the expert press conference in the House of Commons. One of the things that was highly persuasive was that Letby was the only nurse on duty on all 25 of the suspicious cases. But there were originally 60 odd "suspicious" cases and many seem to have been eliminated for the compelling reason that Letby was not on duty.

    The insulin in 2 of the babies seemed to me to be the strongest part of the case but apparently badly administered injections into the muscles rather that the veins could produce such readings and the consultants were in any event using the wrong scale, a scale inappropriate for premature babies.

    I mention this because it seems that this may be yet another case where someone, the expert and the consultants in this case, started with a theory and then bent the evidence to fit. This is human nature. We all do it to some extent. It is something courts have to be particularly careful of. And we find it particularly difficult in highly emotional cases such as the Guildford 4 and the Maguire 7.
    Defenders of the case say that the idea it started with a theory was untrue, for example one of the experts brought in to review the data was not told Letby was a suspect, nor even that they had a suspect in mind, and that the case was not principally based purely on statistical probabilities as alleged, so the idea they fixated on Letby and found evidence to fit was not so.

    It was an extremely complex case and so I and very few people could weigh in on it with any confidence (even one learned in justice matters such as yourself), and the possibility of miscarriage is surely always worth exploring, but a lot of online chatter appears to raise points that were addressed at trial as if they were entirely new points, which makes me wary of leaping quickly to an idea there was reasonable doubt when it has actually been tested before, and perfectly content for any review process to play out. If there are threads to pull on that will undermine the conviction, then by all means that should be tugged on.

    But then you have the outright loonies who get mad about Letby being referred to as a serial killer in media and suggest things like libel when she is (in their mind) inevitably cleared, when even if she is indeed a tragically innocent victim in all this, it surely could not be libel to call her a serial killer now, before any such recanting of her conviction.
    I don't have a concluded view one way or the other. It is indeed a complex case and some of the notes she wrote and the retention of a lot of papers from the hospital in her house were deeply weird. It just looks a lot less clear cut than it did.
    There are all sorts of fanciful conspiracy theories about the case now.

    It took nine months for all the case to be heard, which is an astonishing length of time for a jury to focus and deliberate on. The jury then took more than a month to come to their verdict - the judge's summing up ended on July 10th and the verdict was returned on August 18th.

    The trial of OJ Simpson also took more than eight months, but the jury in that case only took 4 hours to come to a verdict. I've had my doubts about the Letby case, but the discussion of the evidence in the media and online is relatively superficial, and I'm reassured somewhat by the length of time it took for the jury to come to their verdict. Can I be confident of coming to a different conclusion to them without spending at least as long examining the evidence?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,483
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    EXCLUSIVE

    Officials are trawling records going back more than 25 years to Tony Blair’s government for evidence of inappropriate contact between Lord Mandelson and the paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein,
    @oliver_wright
    reveals

    Civil servants have been told to search government correspondence as far back as Mandelson’s time as Northern Ireland secretary between 1999 and 2001

    Officials are also looking at his stint in government from 2008 to 2010, when Gordon Brown brought him back as business secretary and effectively the deputy prime minister.

    The documents are not expected to be published but any evidence will be sent to Scotland Yard and could result in an extension of the police investigation into Mandelson

    Detectives are expected to interview Mandelson under caution within days on suspicion of misconduct in public office. The offence can carry a life sentence. Mandelson has denied any wrongdoing

    Mandelson’s relationship with Epstein goes back decades.

    In May 2002 he brokered a meeting between Blair and Epstein

    Mandelson had resigned as Northern Ireland secretary the previous year but remained close to the prime minister

    He emailed Jonathan Powell, who was Blair’s chief of staff, highlighting the fact that Bill Clinton had recently told Blair he wanted to introduce his “travelling friend” Epstein

    Mandelson described Epstein in laudatory terms as an “active scientific catalyst/entrepreneur” who has his “finger on the pulse of many world markets and currencies”

    “He’s young and vibrant,” he said. “He’s safe (whatever that means) and Clinton is now doing a lot of travelling with him.” The meeting took place in London on May 14, 2002. Officials described Epstein as “very rich and close to the Duke of York”

    This could go places it wasn't supposed to.
    The paper trail hasn’t gone away, you know.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,808
    MikeL said:

    Matthew Parris tipping John Healey in article in tomorrow's Times.

    Apparently Parris bet on Healey at 40-1 over the weekend.

    He's now 28-1 on Betfair.

    Although I was talking up Healey this morning, for the record I am not Parris!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,491
    How much dangerous paper will disappear?
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