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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,376
    edited 1:48PM

    Nigelb said:

    One of many such tweets yesterday.

    A 20-year-old Iranian protester, Ali Heydari, was executed today by the Islamic regime.
    https://x.com/elicalebon/status/2020986401643487436

    The regime is now so steeped in blood that it cannot realistically relent in its pogroms against its own people. The consequence of losing its grip would be too grim; the score-settling too bloody. Every mosque will likely end up a smoking ruin. There'll surely be no velvet revolution, more likely to be the French Revolution with a Persian twist.
    I think it's now possible to say that the calls from Iranian protesters for Trump to intervene were a sign of the weakness of the Iranian opposition. They have no organisation, no plan, no leader to follow to help them topple the regime, and so they appealed to external intervention to deliver them from tyranny.

    That's not going to happen, so the tyranny will continue until the regime itself falls apart, which would seem to be possible only if it runs out of money to pay the IRGC.

    Trump's only interested in his cut of the oil revenue, so I'm sure there's a deal to be done there that would entrench the regime until the global market for oil collapses.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 298

    Taz said:

    Just listening to Andy Burnham at the resolution foundation and he is without doubt the leader labour need

    I am surprised how much I agree with his policies

    If labour want to win they need to find a way for Burnham into parliament

    Does he still want to borrow an extra £40bn and to tell the bond markets to go swivel if they don't like it?

    He's the mirror image of Liz Truss.
    He did address the bond markets and recognized they are important
    He's not saying that taxes need to go up to pay for his spending wishes, or to reduce Britain's dependency on the bond markets.

    If he won't even mention the word tax then I fail to see how he can deliver on anything else he has said. So he's either intending to borrow more and cross his fingers and hope for the best, or no different to the current lot, in putting up taxes that he hopes people won't notice, but not by enough to get anything useful done.
    His success in Manchester comes from business investment which should be the model
    Sadly the North East Mayor lacks that vision.
    This is what Andy Burnham does and take the train into Manchester and see the building

    And labour supporters on here dismiss him when he is the answer

    https://www.trafford.gov.uk/news/2026/old-trafford-regeneration-mayoral-development-corporation-officially-launched
    I don't dismiss the policy

    Street and now Richard Parker are doing the same in Birmingham with billions of inward foreign investment in to sport, culture and the arts

    I think that's Burnhams area, his niche and what he's best at.

    There is significant inward investment in to the UK due to national and local Labour policies.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,098

    HYUFD said:

    Rayner coming out behind Starmer along with most of the Cabinet and more strongly than Streeting, whose Mandelson emails were in the news yesterday probably boosts her a bit in the next PM stakes. However after Cabinet support and a good PLP meeting yesterday Starmer is likely at least secure until the May local and devolved elections and beyond if Labour beat the Tories for second

    It will be interesting to see how loyal the Cabinet remain if Labour get a shellacking in Gorton and Denton and in the May elections. If I wanted to be the new Labour leader I would want to take over after May, not before.
    That’s just cowardice and a lack of self belief. Any leader should believe that they can win Gorton and can do well in the May elections through strength of their leadership and platform. If they can’t do that then they have no hope in the General Election other than to scrape through on quirks of the voting system.
    It’s amazing how little self belief there has been in the Labour government since winning a huge majority less than two years ago.
    They have been weirdly hesitant and frit. Boris was similar with his majority.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,098
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:



    Clearly, no one wants Andrew to actually snuff it

    I do and I am both surprised and disappointed that he has not had the Epstein treatment yet. It would solve a lot of KC3's problems because he's going to get "Epstein" shouted at him wherever he goes now until the cancer finally kicks the shit out of him.
    They're probably scarred by the last time they tried this, when they offed Diana, and suddenly the nation went into paroxysms of prayerful sorrow

    If *something happens* to a kind, sweet, much-loved ex Prince like Andrew, similar waves of grief will convulse the realm, the swans of the Cam will be seen to weep as blind old nuns wail in Windsor Great Park, destabilising the crown even more
    It would be a struggle, but we are Englishmen, and I think we could bear our grief manfully, if Andrew passed away.
    You say that, but would we show such fortitude, if this horror really happened?

    Imagine it, Andrew, the sweet beloved Prince Andrew - with his affable smile and humble charm, that piercing intelligence and decorous self awareness - snatched away from us, in the prime of his blesssed life? Snuffed out like a candle, leaving us with the darkness of his absence, which can never be filled?

    I don't know. Just thinking about it is desolating
    What prompted this fellow feeling ?

    BTW you were asking for TV recommendations; have you tried Wonder Man ?
    First couple of episodes are promising, and Ben Kingsley (I've never really been a huge fan) is superb. Silly but very entertaining.
    I will have a look, ta

    I can strongly recommend The North Water (if I haven't recommended it already). A brilliantly bleak period drama about a surgeon on a whaling boat out of Hull in about 1850. Relentlessly grim. Nothing really happens, it's just an endless parade of sodomy, rum, scurvy, blubber, ice caps, flensing and death. It's superb
    Add in a further round of sodomy and I'm sold.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,387
    IanB2 said:

    I wonder if we’ve found Labour core support of around 19%.

    The Labour and Tory floors seem very very similar
    Except the Labour ones will see a fair few more future elections than the Tory ones….

    Possibly not - YouGov's dicky published subsamples* have large chunks of the young defecting to the Greens.

    *We really do need some proper GenZ polling.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,179
    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,248
    Brixian59 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Just listening to Andy Burnham at the resolution foundation and he is without doubt the leader labour need

    I am surprised how much I agree with his policies

    If labour want to win they need to find a way for Burnham into parliament



    You really don't think that do you.

    Your being very clever and playing political mind games

    Stir the pot.
    No - my wife and I were both impressed with his speech especially on housing and bringing together politics across the divide and working together

    It is time labour got out of London and smelt the coffee

    Dismissing him as irrelevant is silly

    He has been a success in Manchester again by bringing politicians, organizations, and businesses together
    The best bits were his complete rejection of of Thatchers Council House programme.

    The building of 500,000 new low cost homes by 2030

    Thats actually Labour manifesto objective.

    He does well in Britain's 9th largest City with a chunk of outlying towns added on.

    He's found his niche as I say.

    Frankly I thought Andy Street a far more effective Mayor of Britain's 2nd City despite our political differences.
    Manchester is building; the government isn't.
    Labour Councils Build
    Labour Governments Build
    Common thread
    Factually incorrect.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,235

    I think Labour MPs are in serious danger of thinking that them pretending to support Starmer becomes public endorsement by osmosis.
    They wouldn't be the first beleaguered party to make that mistake.

    I take your point. But actually, if Labour MPs, and ministers, could all shut the fuck up for a few months, stop gossiping to what is a largely hostile press, stop tweeting nonsense, and get on with supporting the government's agenda, I think it could make a difference to public perceptions. Divided parties rarely do well.
    Very true. But the likelihood of multiple ambitions of elevation dying in the face of catastrophic polling is low
    Even in better times the schemers scheme.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,479
    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2021210896324780533

    Wes Streeting has confessed that his government broke the law on Gaza.

    He didn't mean to - but that's what he has done.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 55
    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,387

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
    Major had years of non-stop growth. It did him very little good.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,730
    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Something else to applaud from the Government that is allegedly paralysed and doing nothing.

    God. You’re so dull. Say something else other than ramping your preferred team. You’re worse than CHB.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,179
    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
    Major had years of non-stop growth. It did him very little good.
    Yes he ran a tired government. This one is tired too.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,558
    Dopermean said:

    Listening to WATO, what's the Gaelic for the Scottish tradition of ritual self-humiliation?

    Ex SLab MSP.
    USA outfits a nice reference to Sarwar’s enthusiasm for the USA.

    https://x.com/neilsocialist/status/2021196278798090520?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 298
    stodge said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Something else to applaud from the Government that is allegedly paralysed and doing nothing.

    It might be a necessary short-term measure, but it's not actually doing anything to fix local government funding or SEND provision.

    And where does the £5bn come from, less than three months after the budget?
    Reading the article, the funding will revert to central Government in 2028.

    Unfortunately, the SEN debate has become poisoned by those who assert a lot of the referrals are unnecessary and parents are "playing the system". I'm sure that's true in some instances but not widely - the surge in referrals has many causes which we can all list but this has left gaps in qualified teachers and specialist teaching accommodation.

    The Schools White Paper wll be the next key document in ascertaining where Government policy is going on this and you'd better believe it will be as eagerly read in Finance departments as Education departments in most councils.
    The fundamental issue is to invest at the front door not the back door

    It is imperative that full face to face diagnosis of every case historic and new is funded.

    There is the Education cost and how we better provide for it going forwards. We also need to lay down criteria for initial and ongoing assessment.

    Then the elephant in the room that we simply cannot allow 20% of children to be diagnosed in the first place and then join a second Boris Wave that will be far more series to our society and that is the Tory doping of millions of potential NEET underclass for life

    A criminal policy and waste that the Tory Party need to be held screaming and kicking accountable for.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 298

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Something else to applaud from the Government that is allegedly paralysed and doing nothing.

    God. You’re so dull. Say something else other than ramping your preferred team. You’re worse than CHB.
    Oh dear

    95% tory media fail to acknowledge any Labour success.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,413
    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 298
    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,820
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rayner coming out behind Starmer along with most of the Cabinet and more strongly than Streeting, whose Mandelson emails were in the news yesterday probably boosts her a bit in the next PM stakes. However after Cabinet support and a good PLP meeting yesterday Starmer is likely at least secure until the May local and devolved elections and beyond if Labour beat the Tories for second

    It will be interesting to see how loyal the Cabinet remain if Labour get a shellacking in Gorton and Denton and in the May elections. If I wanted to be the new Labour leader I would want to take over after May, not before.
    That’s just cowardice and a lack of self belief. Any leader should believe that they can win Gorton and can do well in the May elections through strength of their leadership and platform. If they can’t do that then they have no hope in the General Election other than to scrape through on quirks of the voting system.
    It’s amazing how little self belief there has been in the Labour government since winning a huge majority less than two years ago.
    They have been weirdly hesitant and frit. Boris was similar with his majority.
    shit system where a third of the vote gets you a 174 majority, system well broken
  • eekeek Posts: 32,530

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
    Major had years of non-stop growth. It did him very little good.
    Yes he ran a tired government. This one is tired too.

    This one isn’t tired, it’s just meh.

    To be honest I can’t actually work out what the best description is.

    It’s more that it’s unplanned because they didn’t arrive with any aims, vision or plan.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,804

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:



    Clearly, no one wants Andrew to actually snuff it

    I do and I am both surprised and disappointed that he has not had the Epstein treatment yet. It would solve a lot of KC3's problems because he's going to get "Epstein" shouted at him wherever he goes now until the cancer finally kicks the shit out of him.
    They're probably scarred by the last time they tried this, when they offed Diana, and suddenly the nation went into paroxysms of prayerful sorrow

    If *something happens* to a kind, sweet, much-loved ex Prince like Andrew, similar waves of grief will convulse the realm, the swans of the Cam will be seen to weep as blind old nuns wail in Windsor Great Park, destabilising the crown even more
    It would be a struggle, but we are Englishmen, and I think we could bear our grief manfully, if Andrew passed away.
    You say that, but would we show such fortitude, if this horror really happened?

    Imagine it, Andrew, the sweet beloved Prince Andrew - with his affable smile and humble charm, that piercing intelligence and decorous self awareness - snatched away from us, in the prime of his blesssed life? Snuffed out like a candle, leaving us with the darkness of his absence, which can never be filled?

    I don't know. Just thinking about it is desolating
    What prompted this fellow feeling ?

    BTW you were asking for TV recommendations; have you tried Wonder Man ?
    First couple of episodes are promising, and Ben Kingsley (I've never really been a huge fan) is superb. Silly but very entertaining.
    I will have a look, ta

    I can strongly recommend The North Water (if I haven't recommended it already). A brilliantly bleak period drama about a surgeon on a whaling boat out of Hull in about 1850. Relentlessly grim. Nothing really happens, it's just an endless parade of sodomy, rum, scurvy, blubber, ice caps, flensing and death. It's superb
    Lovely word, "flensing".

    I used to have a boss who liked to say "smite" or "smote" just for the sound of the thing.
    You mean you work for....God?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,387
    edited 2:09PM
    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    The BoE have just lowered their 2026 growth prediction from 1.2% to 0.9%
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,804

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    Or extend it to cover Burnham. Safer bet.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,126

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2021210896324780533

    Wes Streeting has confessed that his government broke the law on Gaza.

    He didn't mean to - but that's what he has done.

    I think you should be obliged to read the article before commenting on it or are you such a fan of Owen Jones that you just accept his headlines?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,235
    edited 2:10PM
    https://x.com/i/status/2021221063888130162
    Telegraph gives us one single example of what was in the Due Diligence report which on its own blows up Starmers defence

    Popcorn for months
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,820

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
    Exactly, we ( workers& taxpayers) are paying through the nose for miniscule growth
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773
    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    I wouldn’t say KPMG was glowing.

    However the recent PMI was the best for 17 months so that is promising.

    https://kpmg.com/uk/en/insights/economics/uk-economic-outlook.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,804
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Something else to applaud from the Government that is allegedly paralysed and doing nothing.

    God. You’re so dull. Say something else other than ramping your preferred team. You’re worse than CHB.
    Oh dear

    95% tory media fail to acknowledge any Labour success.

    Of course, Labour could try having successes that weren't so tiny they required an electron microscope to view them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773
    eek said:

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
    Major had years of non-stop growth. It did him very little good.
    Yes he ran a tired government. This one is tired too.

    This one isn’t tired, it’s just meh.

    To be honest I can’t actually work out what the best description is.

    It’s more that it’s unplanned because they didn’t arrive with any aims, vision or plan.
    Yet they supposedly hired the likes of Sue Gray to make sure they were ready for govt when they took office.

    They’re finding out not being the Tories isn’t enough.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,376
    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    Forecasts butter no parsnips. I'd wait to celebrate until there's something positive that's actually happened.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,479
    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,478
    Nigelb said:

    Takaichi’s first order of business is here!

    The Empire has announced the intention to join NATO’s PURL initiative to supply Ukraine with ammunition and equipment

    https://x.com/astraiaintel/status/2021152770762441002

    Isn't the issue with increasing defence spend, the idea that people might want to use to create demand for more defence spend?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,098

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    Well any growth is suddenly an achievement, but were being taken for fools. Growth of around 1 % is nothing to shout about historically its been in the 2-3% mark, so this is thin gruel. Add in the hit everyone is having to take on tax and other charges and nobody will be feeling were live in boom times.
    The days of significant growth are not coming back I fear. Indeed, now some have reacted by denigrating the very idea.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    Forecasts butter no parsnips. I'd wait to celebrate until there's something positive that's actually happened.
    Indeed. However the one positive I’d take would be the recent PMI numbers. Highest for 17 months.

    KPMG only sees 2027 getting back to 2025 levels after a poor 2026
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,413

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    Or extend it to cover Burnham. Safer bet.
    I already have nothing but contempt for Burnham, but the more bellyaching he does about everyone else the more they are cleansed. It works like the victim of a Boris Johnson puff piece in the Mail, virginity restored by the end of the article.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,018
    edited 2:19PM
    Andy_JS said:

    "University debating society bans Reform MP from giving talk
    Bangor students refuse to host Sarah Pochin despite campus free speech law" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/09/university-debating-society-bans-reform-mp-talk/

    That's quite fun. Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/388befb78609c5af

    Pochin and mini-me Farage Jack Anderton* tried to invite themselves to the Politics Society at Bangor, who said "Nope. We don't like racists like you." An opinion that they are free to hold and express, but apparently not in Pochin-world.

    Pochin is now maundering on about "suppression of free speech", about which she does not have a clue afaics. She is entirely free to book a room and make her speech, but she wants the right to impose herself on unwilling fora. Prof James Orr is also apparently quite cross.

    * We had a conversation about Jack Anderton several months ago when he faceplanted on his blog. He's Nigel's SM adviser, who runs his Instagram. Last summer Jack was demanding that the UK recover some of our colonies and walk away from Ukraine, and praising the policies of the President of El Salvador. He does not seem to be aware of the cost of colonies. IMO he is a bit of a numpty.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,098

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Utility companies seem to uniformly provide a terrible service and act affronted when people complain, so im not surprised. I've never seen such incompetence as from British Gas, and that's saying something.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,730
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Something else to applaud from the Government that is allegedly paralysed and doing nothing.

    God. You’re so dull. Say something else other than ramping your preferred team. You’re worse than CHB.
    Oh dear

    95% tory media fail to acknowledge any Labour success.

    You have no success. That’s why you’re here.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,413

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Something else to applaud from the Government that is allegedly paralysed and doing nothing.

    God. You’re so dull. Say something else other than ramping your preferred team. You’re worse than CHB.
    Oh dear

    95% tory media fail to acknowledge any Labour success.

    Of course, Labour could try having successes that weren't so tiny they required an electron microscope to view them.
    That is a fair point. But remember Conservative redemption for austerity, Brexit, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss has to be earned, and becoming a Nigel Farage and Reform tribute band doesn't redeem anyone.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,683
    I've been busy this morning attending an excellent talk on a little known but apparently highly productive fossil bed in Wales. Fascinating.

    On other issues, I'm somewhat puzzled by the apparent, according to the Beeb, fact that the Epstein files are laden with 'facts' about the British Government and Royal Family as opposed to innumerable bits of information about American financiers and politicians.
    Seems to me all they show is that Peter Mandelson was a Lord of the Dark Arts and AMW a remarkably silly boy who put his own, and his ex-wife's, financial interests before his duty to his country,
    If Keir Starmer has done anything, it seems to me, it was bringing Mandelson back into an important position, and it's also pretty obvious that Mandelson's idea of the truth wouldn't be recognised elsewhere.

    And Sawar had best look for a job on Rockall if he wants to advance his political career.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,126

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    I don't believe he is. Labour looked around and realised they were facing the abyss. Furthermore they were in danger of falling apart and that might have led to Farage.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,413

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Far be it for me to blow the trumpet for Kemi and the Tories but they remain more relevant than Mr Irrelevant himself, Dominic Cummings.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,275

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,804
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "University debating society bans Reform MP from giving talk
    Bangor students refuse to host Sarah Pochin despite campus free speech law" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/09/university-debating-society-bans-reform-mp-talk/

    That's quite fun. Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/388befb78609c5af

    Pochin and mini-me Farage Jack Anderton* tried to invite themselves to the Politics Society at Bangor, who said "Nope. We don't like racists like you." An opinion that they are free to hold and express, but apparently not in Pochin-world.

    Pochin is now maundering on about "suppression of free speech", about which she does not have a clue afaics. She is entirely free to book a room and make her speech, but she wants the right to impose herself on unwilling fora. Prof James Orr is also apparently quite cross.

    * We had a conversation about Jack Anderton several months ago when he faceplanted on his blog. He's Nigel's SM adviser...
    Nigel has an S&M advisor?

    Oh....
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,574

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    If only Dominic had been in a position to do anything about this stuff.

    (Please tell me that McSweeney isn't going to have a similar ghostly afterlife.)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,126

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Your precis of articles are not worth reading.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,248
    So this is news to me. In the lead up to the 2018 Brazilian election, Jair Bolsonaro claimed he was not working with Steve Bannon. It turns out he was working with both Bannon AND Jeffrey Epstein.
    https://x.com/broderick/status/2020900627988021624

    What a surprise.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773
    edited 2:28PM
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    It was conducted by Merlin Strategy, a member of the BPC. I thought members of the BPC were afforded respect here

    Are you doubting their integrity.

    Just because you may not like who commissioned it does not make it wrong.

    I’ve read the whole Cummings post and find the attitudes of the people in the focus group hard to disagree with (with a few exceptions)

    https://x.com/scarlett__mag/status/2021175705782862320?s=61
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,502

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    Or extend it to cover Burnham. Safer bet.
    I already have nothing but contempt for Burnham, but the more bellyaching he does about everyone else the more they are cleansed. It works like the victim of a Boris Johnson puff piece in the Mail, virginity restored by the end of the article.
    I’ve just been watching Burnham on BBC World Live - or whatever it is out here in BKK

    My overwhelming takeaway was, Jeez, is THIS the king over the water, the dauphin in the north? This effeminate, stuttering, insubstantial man, with no original thoughts?

    He’s almost as dull as Skyr. And about as inspiring as Yvette Cooper or Ed Miliband. What a desperate bus load of mediocrities. Likewise the Tories

    No wonder Farage is cleaning up. He’s ten times better at politics than any of them, and actually speaks with some passion and eloquence, on stuff that matters. The rest of them just stand there, looking scared

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,945

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2021210896324780533

    Wes Streeting has confessed that his government broke the law on Gaza.

    He didn't mean to - but that's what he has done.

    Jesus Christ, see you, you're a fucking omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know: from bean to cup, you fuck up.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,235
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    'Swing voters' who ignore parties. Ok, Dom
    There are people no longer prepared to listen to the Tories. They are not swing voters . Unless we now put our swings against brick walls
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,945
    So the head of safety team at anthropic has packed it in and moved back to the UK to live in the woods and write poetry.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,376
    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    Forecasts butter no parsnips. I'd wait to celebrate until there's something positive that's actually happened.
    Indeed. However the one positive I’d take would be the recent PMI numbers. Highest for 17 months.

    KPMG only sees 2027 getting back to 2025 levels after a poor 2026
    There's been a collapse in business investment, reportedly due to all the uncertainty created by Trump with tariffs and threats relating to Greenland, etc, so it's no surprise that the economic figures will be poor.

    What should be more concerning for the government is the lack of progress in the things more directly under their control - housebuilding, NHS, justice system, etc.

    What are the good news stories for the government? Not in terms of money pledged to fix an issue, but in outcomes that have materially improved?

    There's been a small improvement in NHS waiting lists.

    I can't think of anything else.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "University debating society bans Reform MP from giving talk
    Bangor students refuse to host Sarah Pochin despite campus free speech law" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/09/university-debating-society-bans-reform-mp-talk/

    That's quite fun. Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/388befb78609c5af

    Pochin and mini-me Farage Jack Anderton* tried to invite themselves to the Politics Society at Bangor, who said "Nope. We don't like racists like you." An opinion that they are free to hold and express, but apparently not in Pochin-world.

    Pochin is now maundering on about "suppression of free speech", about which she does not have a clue afaics. She is entirely free to book a room and make her speech, but she wants the right to impose herself on unwilling fora. Prof James Orr is also apparently quite cross.

    * We had a conversation about Jack Anderton several months ago when he faceplanted on his blog. He's Nigel's SM adviser...
    Nigel has an S&M advisor?

    Oh....
    Is that something to do with Finland ?🤔
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,945
    edited 2:30PM
    Leon said:

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    Or extend it to cover Burnham. Safer bet.
    I already have nothing but contempt for Burnham, but the more bellyaching he does about everyone else the more they are cleansed. It works like the victim of a Boris Johnson puff piece in the Mail, virginity restored by the end of the article.
    I’ve just been watching Burnham on BBC World Live - or whatever it is out here in BKK

    My overwhelming takeaway was, Jeez, is THIS the king over the water, the dauphin in the north? This effeminate, stuttering, insubstantial man, with no original thoughts?

    He’s almost as dull as Skyr. And about as inspiring as Yvette Cooper or Ed Miliband. What a desperate bus load of mediocrities. Likewise the Tories

    No wonder Farage is cleaning up. He’s ten times better at politics than any of them, and actually speaks with some passion and eloquence, on stuff that matters. The rest of them just stand there, looking scared

    The much hyped Al Carns was on the radio this morning. He has the son of toolmaker tick, every answer was well when I was in the army, we would / wouldn't do x.....did I tell you when I was in the army....

    He didn't exactly smash it out the park under what was quite gentle questioning, nothing like what you would get as PM.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,479
    Nigelb said:

    So this is news to me. In the lead up to the 2018 Brazilian election, Jair Bolsonaro claimed he was not working with Steve Bannon. It turns out he was working with both Bannon AND Jeffrey Epstein.
    https://x.com/broderick/status/2020900627988021624

    What a surprise.

    You mean it turns out that Bannon is a braggart who goes around pretending he's the power behind the throne while he gets ignored by everyone.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,791
    edited 2:31PM
    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    Dominic: So, Dominic, what do you think about Westminster?

    Dominic: Well, Dominic, I think it is a terrible place full of idiots.
    Dominic: I think the same Dominic.
    Dominic: What about the other 8 Dominics?
    Dominics: Yes, we all think the same too. Terrible isn't it. We would do a much better job.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,413
    Roger said:

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    I don't believe he is. Labour looked around and realised they were facing the abyss. Furthermore they were in danger of falling apart and that might have led to Farage.
    Farage is currently in the box seat. The most despised Prime Minister in the history of polling isn't likely to turn that around. Now that accolade isn't entirely his fault it is partially a narrative crafted by hacks over the last six years, but the inertia, the poor communications and putting out policy unfit for purpose that requires a U turn is entirely his fault.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,502
    lol

    Telegraph breaking:


    “Starmer was shown proof of Mandelson and Epstein’s close friendship”

    This will go on and on and on. Until Starmer quits
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,376

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    If only Dominic had been in a position to do anything about this stuff.

    (Please tell me that McSweeney isn't going to have a similar ghostly afterlife.)
    Cummings has an afterlife because he preaches to a certain right-wing choir. I'm not sure that McSweeney has the same audience.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    Dominic: So, Dominic, what do you think about Westminster?

    Dominic: Well, Dominic, I think it is a terrible place full of idiots.
    Dominic: I think the same Dominic.
    Dominic: What about the other 8 Dominics?
    Dominics: Yes, we all think the same too. Terrible isn't it. We would do a much better job.
    Merlin Strategy, who were commissioned to carry the poll out are a member of the BPC.

    They have carried out polls for a diverse range of organisations.

    Are BPC members now fair game for ridicule here ?

    https://www.merlinstrategy.com/home#about-us
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,018

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "University debating society bans Reform MP from giving talk
    Bangor students refuse to host Sarah Pochin despite campus free speech law" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/09/university-debating-society-bans-reform-mp-talk/

    That's quite fun. Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/388befb78609c5af

    Pochin and mini-me Farage Jack Anderton* tried to invite themselves to the Politics Society at Bangor, who said "Nope. We don't like racists like you." An opinion that they are free to hold and express, but apparently not in Pochin-world.

    Pochin is now maundering on about "suppression of free speech", about which she does not have a clue afaics. She is entirely free to book a room and make her speech, but she wants the right to impose herself on unwilling fora. Prof James Orr is also apparently quite cross.

    * We had a conversation about Jack Anderton several months ago when he faceplanted on his blog. He's Nigel's SM adviser...
    Nigel has an S&M advisor?

    Oh....
    That is probably one to ask his next wife...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,277

    NEW THREAD

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,235

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    Dominic: So, Dominic, what do you think about Westminster?

    Dominic: Well, Dominic, I think it is a terrible place full of idiots.
    Dominic: I think the same Dominic.
    Dominic: What about the other 8 Dominics?
    Dominics: Yes, we all think the same too. Terrible isn't it. We would do a much better job.
    Without numbers, demographics, who agreed with the selected quotes etc its all irrelevant.
    More in Common and Ashcroft say who they are talking to and where. Usually specifuc groups (Con to Lab switchers from 2024 in Tamworth or some such)
    If Merlin produce a proper report on it, fair enough, but this is just Dom cherry picking.... 'they hate.....' who does? How many?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773

    Roger said:

    Not happy with Starmer. He's clinging on like a Boris Johnson tribute act.

    Mind you if Burnham doesn't stop being such a whiny b**** I might have to reassess my utter contempt for Starmer.

    I don't believe he is. Labour looked around and realised they were facing the abyss. Furthermore they were in danger of falling apart and that might have led to Farage.
    Farage is currently in the box seat. The most despised Prime Minister in the history of polling isn't likely to turn that around. Now that accolade isn't entirely his fault it is partially a narrative crafted by hacks over the last six years, but the inertia, the poor communications and putting out policy unfit for purpose that requires a U turn is entirely his fault.

    You’d think that but his big announcement yesterday. Stop work from home. What’s it to do with him ?

    It’s a ridiculous policy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,502

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    If only Dominic had been in a position to do anything about this stuff.

    (Please tell me that McSweeney isn't going to have a similar ghostly afterlife.)
    Cummings has an afterlife because he preaches to a certain right-wing choir. I'm not sure that McSweeney has the same audience.
    Cummings has an “afterlife” because he’s proved he has an acute political brain. He won Brexit. Without him, no Brexit. He won Boris a sizeable majority (then Boris blew it)

    The stupid centrist dorks on here dislike his views and his backstory, intensely, so they feign to dismiss him as irrelevant. It’s kinda pitiful

    I see this more and more, across politics and culture. People choosing what is emotionally consoling but wrong over difficult and awkward truths. It must be an ancient human trait, but I am sure it is getting worse, as we get stupider
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,694

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    Forecasts butter no parsnips. I'd wait to celebrate until there's something positive that's actually happened.
    Indeed. However the one positive I’d take would be the recent PMI numbers. Highest for 17 months.

    KPMG only sees 2027 getting back to 2025 levels after a poor 2026
    There's been a collapse in business investment, reportedly due to all the uncertainty created by Trump with tariffs and threats relating to Greenland, etc, so it's no surprise that the economic figures will be poor.

    What should be more concerning for the government is the lack of progress in the things more directly under their control - housebuilding, NHS, justice system, etc.

    What are the good news stories for the government? Not in terms of money pledged to fix an issue, but in outcomes that have materially improved?

    There's been a small improvement in NHS waiting lists.

    I can't think of anything else.
    I suppose the passing of the Assisted Dying Act will improve NHS waiting lists quite a bit. Not sure whether that will count as good news or bad news.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,018
    edited 2:50PM
    Taz said:

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    It was conducted by Merlin Strategy, a member of the BPC. I thought members of the BPC were afforded respect here

    Are you doubting their integrity.

    Just because you may not like who commissioned it does not make it wrong.

    I’ve read the whole Cummings post and find the attitudes of the people in the focus group hard to disagree with (with a few exceptions)

    https://x.com/scarlett__mag/status/2021175705782862320?s=61
    I think some of it is problematic. For example the question around immigration asks the surveyees to estimate emigration since January 2021, and then pivots it to 'Conservative and Labour have not done enough', whilst afaics not mentioning that net immigration is 80% down between summer 2023 and summer 2025 in either the question or the twitter essay.

    There's more detail on Dom's substack:
    https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/regime-change-2026-29-results-from

    I hope that BPC standards are such that that is not up to scratch. I wonder if the attitudes would be the same had they asked for estimates of immigration since summer 2024 or in the last 12 months.

    In reality net immigration is back to what it was before the post-Brexit hump, and some are trying politically to keep it central beyond its sell-by date.

    (I'm not commenting on Merlin Strategy, run by Scarlett Maguire; I don't know enough to comment.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773
    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    Forecasts butter no parsnips. I'd wait to celebrate until there's something positive that's actually happened.
    Indeed. However the one positive I’d take would be the recent PMI numbers. Highest for 17 months.

    KPMG only sees 2027 getting back to 2025 levels after a poor 2026
    There's been a collapse in business investment, reportedly due to all the uncertainty created by Trump with tariffs and threats relating to Greenland, etc, so it's no surprise that the economic figures will be poor.

    What should be more concerning for the government is the lack of progress in the things more directly under their control - housebuilding, NHS, justice system, etc.

    What are the good news stories for the government? Not in terms of money pledged to fix an issue, but in outcomes that have materially improved?

    There's been a small improvement in NHS waiting lists.

    I can't think of anything else.
    I suppose the passing of the Assisted Dying Act will improve NHS waiting lists quite a bit. Not sure whether that will count as good news or bad news.
    I suspect for money grubbing relatives the champagne corks will be popping and cruises will be being booked.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,791
    edited 2:45PM

    Dopermean said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    Focus group commissioned by Cummings is all you need to know about that.
    Dominic: So, Dominic, what do you think about Westminster?

    Dominic: Well, Dominic, I think it is a terrible place full of idiots.
    Dominic: I think the same Dominic.
    Dominic: What about the other 8 Dominics?
    Dominics: Yes, we all think the same too. Terrible isn't it. We would do a much better job.
    Without numbers, demographics, who agreed with the selected quotes etc its all irrelevant.
    More in Common and Ashcroft say who they are talking to and where. Usually specifuc groups (Con to Lab switchers from 2024 in Tamworth or some such)
    If Merlin produce a proper report on it, fair enough, but this is just Dom cherry picking.... 'they hate.....' who does? How many?
    Exactly. There's mostly anecdote in Dom's rant.

    I'm quite sure these sentiments are from real people but how many and who?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,773
    Leon said:

    Interesting focus group commissioned by Cummings. There's more at the link so I'll just paste a few points that stand out:

    https://x.com/Dominic2306/status/2021148424188395809

    * They hate Westminster and both parties more than ever. 'It's like they hate us' is a common view.

    * Voters greatly UNDER-estimate the scale of immigration by ~5-30X, contrary to the conventional wisdom. They are already angry about the immigration farce of Tories and Labour before they are given the real numbers. So there is huge scope for *much greater hatred for the old parties* and much more support for *much tougher action*. Millions of LAB voters want much tougher action on immigration than Tories like Gawke and Barwell.

    *They HATE HATE HATE the utility companies - the hate is the same across CON/LAB/REF etc. This is an open goal for all political entrepreneurs.

    *Voters are much more angry about benefit scams than MPs of any party. This issue seems less polarised than immigration.

    *Voters have few views on Kemi because they ignore the Tories because ‘they’re just not relevant any more’. They know nothing she's said or done. 'Useless but irrelevant'.

    If only Dominic had been in a position to do anything about this stuff.

    (Please tell me that McSweeney isn't going to have a similar ghostly afterlife.)
    Cummings has an afterlife because he preaches to a certain right-wing choir. I'm not sure that McSweeney has the same audience.
    Cummings has an “afterlife” because he’s proved he has an acute political brain. He won Brexit. Without him, no Brexit. He won Boris a sizeable majority (then Boris blew it)

    The stupid centrist dorks on here dislike his views and his backstory, intensely, so they feign to dismiss him as irrelevant. It’s kinda pitiful

    I see this more and more, across politics and culture. People choosing what is emotionally consoling but wrong over difficult and awkward truths. It must be an ancient human trait, but I am sure it is getting worse, as we get stupider
    People feel challenged by the message so easier to condemn the messenger.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,049
    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Some commentators, and not just pro Labour ones, are talking about green shoots in the economy and the potential to get away from the anaemic growth. So there is that. But inflation looks sticky to me.

    I think it is highly unlikely Labour come back from this. They are just not appearing as competent.
    "Time Wounds All Heels" - a cobbler once told me.

    Three years is a political eternity and so much of it is about perceptions. The other thing is people will feel things are getting better when they aren't getting worse.

    It was also interesting to see the consumer confidence numbers - the core of Reform and Conservative voters continue to be depressed while younger consumers are much more optimistic.

    Labour will be hoping a) the sense of optimism moves up the demographic pyramid and b) when the time comes the younger voters will eschew the pessimism of Reform and Conservative for something more optimistic.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,677
    stodge said:

    Apologies if this was mentioned yesterday but a story with implications for local council elections perhaps:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjd95572xpeo

    Sensible stuff. Exactly what several PBers have called for.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,677

    Nigelb said:

    One of many such tweets yesterday.

    A 20-year-old Iranian protester, Ali Heydari, was executed today by the Islamic regime.
    https://x.com/elicalebon/status/2020986401643487436

    The regime is now so steeped in blood that it cannot realistically relent in its pogroms against its own people. The consequence of losing its grip would be too grim; the score-settling too bloody. Every mosque will likely end up a smoking ruin. There'll surely be no velvet revolution, more likely to be the French Revolution with a Persian twist.
    I think it's now possible to say that the calls from Iranian protesters for Trump to intervene were a sign of the weakness of the Iranian opposition. They have no organisation, no plan, no leader to follow to help them topple the regime, and so they appealed to external intervention to deliver them from tyranny.

    That's not going to happen, so the tyranny will continue until the regime itself falls apart, which would seem to be possible only if it runs out of money to pay the IRGC.

    Trump's only interested in his cut of the oil revenue, so I'm sure there's a deal to be done there that would entrench the regime until the global market for oil collapses.
    If the Iranian regime gave Trump 3% of their oil revenues, I'm sure he'd be happy to support them.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,677

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2021185741934461393

    Immigration falls in salience to its lowest since early 2025 with YG. If this continues in to May one of the key Reform vote drivers is reduced.
    In that case I'd expect it to hobble theor progress most in London where their advance will be most marginal.
    A bad night for reform? Failing to tale Bexley with majoroty would probably fill that descriptor

    Under the surface, Labour is doing fine. That’s why a new leader will lead the polls in my view.
    Labour will be seen in 12 months as being very successful in stability and turning around the decline.

    I've always believed Starmer would either hand over before a 2029 election or shortly after, I've no reason to change opinion on that.

    Reform have hit peak. the Tories remain in decline, the LD are close to the peak of their reach, the Greens are emerging but as a left wing party that no longer even pretends to consider the environment, under Polanski.

    Ed Miliband is actually greener and more focused on the Environment than any Green

    Once all of that filters through there is a chance for Labour to get a 2nd term, with a younger leader.
    This smells like wishful thinking with nothing to back it up
    Plenty of data to back it up
    Take the blinkers off
    enumerate, then
    Try

    Deutsche Bank
    KPMG
    DMS
    Bank of England

    For starters

    All recent positive credible forecasts
    Forecasts butter no parsnips. I'd wait to celebrate until there's something positive that's actually happened.
    Ah, yes, like the song by popular beat combo Wet Leg.

    Is your parsnip buttered?
    Would you like us to assign someone to butter your parsnip?
    Excuse me (what?)
    Excuse me (what?)
    Hey you, over there
    On the chaise longue in your underwear
    What are you doing sitting down?
    You should be horizontal now
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,976
    Taz said:

    Did anyone see this rather bizarre interjection from a possibly well refreshed Helena Kennedy on Newsnight last night. With the passive aggressive arm grabbing of Matt Vickers too. Not sure that’s excusable but he doesn’t seem too fussed.

    Bizarre.

    When all Labour have is ‘but Liz Truss’ that is a barrel being well and truly scraped. Like the Tories bringing up Liam Byrne’s letter.

    https://x.com/bbcnewsnight/status/2020999401766850952?s=61

    Would that be the Liz Truss whose approval ratings were better than Starmer’s are now?
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