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  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 117
    Identikit new Labour leader

    Fiscally sensible only slight easing of fiscal rules
    Refuses to maintain triple lock
    Introduces mild workfare for NEETs under 25
    Removes no main tax rise policy focus on increasing thresholds for targeted sectors
    Major overhaul of benefits, every under 25 first alongside NEET policy total review of SEND and much stricter definition and medical diagnosis of ADHD Autism etc

    Look to build closer links with EU on defence, travel, trade
    Increase defence spending to 4% by 2029 with increased budget set aside from fiscal rules

    Continue local council and mayoral rukes
    Seek closer ties with China Japan Korea
    Finalise Chagos deal 90% done by Tories
    Add Israel to banned list of terrorist states remove all diplomatic links until regime change, democratic elections and return of all Gaza and West Bank to Palestinian State
    Immediate Investigation on to all UK politicians involvement and collusion with Netanyahu government irrespective of Party affiliation



    Seek to work with Allies to define NATO and redefine to European only by 2035
    Give notice all US bases on UK soil to be removed by 2030
    Set aside budget to convert all to Cat A and B prisons byv2035

    Continue Mahmood strategy on immigration
    Continue Miliband policy on Energy
    Continue Phillipson work on Education
    Keep all 3 in office.

    Political Party donations capped
    MP donations capped


  • GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    I cancelled a couple of years ago, no regrets.

    All done online. No need to speak to anyone that way.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 1,000
    Scott_xP said:
    I'm too stupid to get this. What's the joke? That Starmer's gullible?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,243
    edited February 6
    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    Why do they have this arrogant attitude towards people? Very offputting.
  • eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Strictly get 6.5 million viewers a week, of course there is money in ads there.

    Iplayer could also have ads
    The point was there is a limited probably fixed pot of money for broadcast advertising - yes the BBC could take ads but then other channels would have less money
    Not really.

    Marketing budgets are neither fixed, nor entirely spent on any one medium. Adaption is real.

    Other channels probably would end up with less, but it is not zero sum, the total spent on TV would probably go up.

    Either way though, if they face competition and get less, that is the free market in action.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,643
    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    Why do they have this arrogant attitude towards people? Very offputting.
    The call centre staff will probably be on a bonus for each person they keep paying. Capita are involved not sure to what extent.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,779
    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    Why do they have this arrogant attitude towards people? Very offputting.
    Give it 6 months, then the nastygrams will start.

    You do not need to respond.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578
    Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    Why do they have this arrogant attitude towards people? Very offputting.
    The people working the phones are given aggressive targets to retain license payers, probably.

    So you are really hearing someone begging to keep their job.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,526

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    News: The White House has now taken down the post.

    A senior WH official tells me: "A White House staffer erroneously made the post. It has been taken down"

    It was up for 12 hours

    Echos of the "draft" message referring to Braverman's mental health.
    The reason/excuse I saw was that it was a separate video that autoplayed after the first finished. Any substance in that?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman
    BREAKING on
    @TimesRadio
    Leader of the
    @LibDems

    @EdwardJDavey
    has removed the whip from
    @LordRennard
    after a woman who alleged the peer sexually harassed her & others emailed Sir Ed urging him to apply the same rules to his own party as he was demanding of the PM over the #Mandelson saga

    Aren’t these longstanding allegations ?
    I think they are, but I think that's the point

    "Everybody knew Mandy was a wrong 'un"

    "Everybody knows about Rennard..." I think is the pitch

    Take the beam out of your own eye and all that
    Looks like you’re right.

    Still, he was good with by elections so perhaps that’s why it all got treated rather lightly ?


  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,067
    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Like they did with Cliff Richard. Anyone know who they've sold the filming rights to?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,304
    @chrisgeidner.bsky.social‬

    So, first of all, of course it was Trump.

    But even if they were telling the truth, "We give staffers who post videos of the Obamas as apes access to the agenda-setting, decree-sending, market-moving account of the president of the United States" is not the exculpatory statement they think it is.
  • Andy_JS said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    Why do they have this arrogant attitude towards people? Very offputting.
    The people working the phones are given aggressive targets to retain license payers, probably.

    So you are really hearing someone begging to keep their job.
    The agents who do house calls are paid commission every time they get someone to sign up for a licence, I'm sure there's something similar for the call centre people.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,526
    I’m dying over this email newsletter from The
    @spectator that mistakenly recycled this subhed from the day before (for an article that was actually about Iran)


    https://x.com/damintoell/status/2019789086613975040?s=20
  • Roger said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Like they did with Cliff Richard. Anyone know who they've sold the filming rights to?
    Sky showing film from London and now Wiltshire
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    edited February 6
    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,010
    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Looks like Lab members have got a major problem then.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,686
    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Bit late for that isn't it?

    If he had anything worth the bother of a search, surely by now, after a week of being headline news, he's made sure he doesn't any more.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385
    Bathtubs are the new windows.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2019834877173010700

    It is reported that former Russian Deputy Justice Minister Sergey Tropin was found dead in a bathtub at his Moscow apartment.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,706
    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    That poll is near useless because the leading candidate can’t stand.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 117

    Roger said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Like they did with Cliff Richard. Anyone know who they've sold the filming rights to?
    Sky showing film from London and now Wiltshire
    The key decision when they have interviewed him under caution will be what if any bail conditions are applied.

    He is clearly a flight risk.

    To the protection of Trump and a long haggle over extradition.

    Worse still to his mate Bibi and the warm welcome in the West Bank.

    As Starmer and history tells us he simply cannot be trusted.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    That poll is near useless because the leading candidate can’t stand.
    No, it isn't

    It shows that the next leader will have a Burnham problem, after the shine comes off.

    I wonder how many leaders the Labour Party will go through, in rapid succession, after Starmer leaves?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 117
    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Two things strike me.

    The clear reduction of the hard left from peak Cirbyn a decade ago that saw a flood of Momentum types

    The other that the General Secretary would be very wise now to close new Memberships quickly and to apply that to any Union affiliates.

    We do not want a repeat of a decade ago, anf the likes of Burgon or Long - Bailey n any ballot paper.

    Frankly I'd vote for Kemi before Long-Bailey
  • HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    Whoever succeeds Starmer the reaction of the bond markets will be key

    I note that some labour mps are still agitating to pay the 10 billion bill for WASPI women
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,516
    On the BBC I watched a documentary last night Lover, Liar, Predator. It is superb. Its the sort of video that should be shown in schools, possibly even more so than Adolescence. In my work I come across people all the time like the accused in LLP. Manipulative, controlling, abusive, dangerous. People, particularly young girls, need to be much more aware.

    I think that there is more than enough quality on the BBC to justify £180 a year. That doesn't mean that I think the licence fee is defensible or that the current legal framework for it can survive but if the BBC went behind a paywall I'd probably pay it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    Oops

    ‘ I’m dying over this email newsletter from The @spectator that mistakenly recycled this subhed from the day before (for an article that was actually about Iran’


    https://x.com/damintoell/status/2019789086613975040?s=61
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,438
    edited February 6
    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
    Did they mention PACE at anytime during the conversation. Their door knockers sometime do.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/tv_licensing_compliance_with_pac
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,643
    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Like they did with Cliff Richard. Anyone know who they've sold the filming rights to?
    Sky showing film from London and now Wiltshire
    The key decision when they have interviewed him under caution will be what if any bail conditions are applied.

    He is clearly a flight risk.

    To the protection of Trump and a long haggle over extradition.

    Worse still to his mate Bibi and the warm welcome in the West Bank.

    As Starmer and history tells us he simply cannot be trusted.
    If he is a flight risk that would be a great result for the establishment.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    Surely it all depends on the Unions and how they present the candidates and their preferred candidate when mailing out ballots ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    Surely it all depends on the Unions and how they present the candidates and their preferred candidate when mailing out ballots ?
    Members of unions can no longer vote in Labour leadership elections unless they have registered as Labour affiliated supporters
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    Whoever succeeds Starmer the reaction of the bond markets will be key

    I note that some labour mps are still agitating to pay the 10 billion bill for WASPI women
    Truss already has completed the dry run for anyone tempted to challenge the bond markets without OBR oversight.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    Statement from 3 survivors from the 2013 Lib Dem scandal who suffered smears and being disbelieved on the, eventual, action from the Lib Dem’s.

    https://x.com/aligoldsworthy/status/2019829764937380118?s=61
  • HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    Whoever succeeds Starmer the reaction of the bond markets will be key

    I note that some labour mps are still agitating to pay the 10 billion bill for WASPI women
    Truss already has completed the dry run for anyone tempted to challenge the bond markets without OBR oversight.
    Indeed and a lesson to all Starmers possible successors
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,197
    Will the IS team get booed at the opening ceremony? Hard to boo alyndsey Vonn but I reckon they will get a bit of grief.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,513

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    Whoever succeeds Starmer the reaction of the bond markets will be key

    I note that some labour mps are still agitating to pay the 10 billion bill for WASPI women
    Truss already has completed the dry run for anyone tempted to challenge the bond markets without OBR oversight.
    The bond markets are probably OK with tax'n'spend.

    It's no-tax'n'spend (the Truss plan) that caused them to have kittens.

    And whilst i'm sure some Labour MPs would happy pour 10 billion down the drain of WASPI compensation, the key question is how many?

    You can find MPs of any party who belive in stupid, destructive stuff. The problem only comes when they take the party over. I will leave finding examples of that to your fertile imagination.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    Surely it all depends on the Unions and how they present the candidates and their preferred candidate when mailing out ballots ?
    Members of unions can no longer vote in Labour leadership elections unless they have registered as Labour affiliated supporters
    I am no longer allowed to vote in Labour Party leadership elections after I voted for the wrong Milliband.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,977
    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    And without the "here's what you could have won" inclusion of Hypothetical Andy?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,304
    boulay said:

    Will the IS team get booed at the opening ceremony? Hard to boo alyndsey Vonn but I reckon they will get a bit of grief.

    They are not booing

    They are cheering for the competitor whose name is actually BOO
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,669
    Scott_xP said:

    boulay said:

    Will the IS team get booed at the opening ceremony? Hard to boo alyndsey Vonn but I reckon they will get a bit of grief.

    They are not booing

    They are cheering for the competitor whose name is actually BOO
    "Great Boo's up, Edmund!"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702

    Bathtubs are the new windows.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2019834877173010700

    It is reported that former Russian Deputy Justice Minister Sergey Tropin was found dead in a bathtub at his Moscow apartment.

    There's a lot of heating gone off in Moscow. Maybe he took a bath and got hyerthermia....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    Hats off to John Hunt commentating on the opening ceremony after the last couple of years he's suffered. Lesser mortals would have thrown in the towel.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,197
    Scott_xP said:

    boulay said:

    Will the IS team get booed at the opening ceremony? Hard to boo alyndsey Vonn but I reckon they will get a bit of grief.

    They are not booing

    They are cheering for the competitor whose name is actually BOO
    Trump will claim they are making monkey noises in support of his grotesquery.

    Very stylish ceremony as you would expect.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,952

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    That poll is near useless because the leading candidate can’t stand.
    No, it isn't

    It shows that the next leader will have a Burnham problem, after the shine comes off.

    I wonder how many leaders the Labour Party will go through, in rapid succession, after Starmer leaves?
    Will Labour get addicted to the taste of blood? Will they finally see what gives the Tories morning defenestration wood ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,977
    DavidL said:

    On the BBC I watched a documentary last night Lover, Liar, Predator. It is superb. Its the sort of video that should be shown in schools, possibly even more so than Adolescence. In my work I come across people all the time like the accused in LLP. Manipulative, controlling, abusive, dangerous. People, particularly young girls, need to be much more aware.

    I think that there is more than enough quality on the BBC to justify £180 a year. That doesn't mean that I think the licence fee is defensible or that the current legal framework for it can survive but if the BBC went behind a paywall I'd probably pay it.

    Me too. Of all my regular bills that one is the least likely to make me grouchy. I'd say I even look forward to it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    boulay said:

    Will the IS team get booed at the opening ceremony? Hard to boo alyndsey Vonn but I reckon they will get a bit of grief.

    They are not booing

    They are cheering for the competitor whose name is actually BOO
    Trump will claim they are making monkey noises in support of his grotesquery.

    Very stylish ceremony as you would expect.
    Apparently it’s something to do with The Lion King.

    Crass, ignorant and stupid. Even if it was a staffer and not Trump that’s no excuse.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    Rafaela Cara still looking good.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 117
    Reasons to dislike Kemi part 453

    Classic case today

    SW TV she's in Plymouth

    Slagging Labour off for the defence budget
    Slagging Labour off for the flood defence budget
    Claiming Parliament is effectively closed nothing happening for weeks because of Mandelson

    All bare faced lies
    Complete fabrication of the facts

    All politians lie but she is world class
    In complete denial of the shit show up to mid 2024 she was in the midst if

    Arrogant liar
    She's got a lot in common with Mandy
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    The idea that Starmer would be on the ballot is far-fetched. Any ballot would be decide who replaces him, not Starmer versus whoever.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,304
    Taz said:

    Even if it was a staffer and not Trump that’s no excuse.

    It wasn't 'a staffer'
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,779
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Even if it was a staffer and not Trump that’s no excuse.

    It wasn't 'a staffer'
    Trump is "staff", much as he'd like to be King.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,338
    DavidL said:

    On the BBC I watched a documentary last night Lover, Liar, Predator. It is superb. Its the sort of video that should be shown in schools, possibly even more so than Adolescence. In my work I come across people all the time like the accused in LLP. Manipulative, controlling, abusive, dangerous. People, particularly young girls, need to be much more aware.

    I think that there is more than enough quality on the BBC to justify £180 a year. That doesn't mean that I think the licence fee is defensible or that the current legal framework for it can survive but if the BBC went behind a paywall I'd probably pay it.

    I thought the Channel 4 documentary about the Arthur's Seat murder (featuring some of your colleagues) was also very good for unpicking that kind of behaviour. The obsession with the engagement ring was particularly galling.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,952

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    The idea that Starmer would be on the ballot is far-fetched. Any ballot would be decide who replaces him, not Starmer versus whoever.
    No Thatcher - Sir Anthony Meyer cosplay elections here Keir!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,669

    Rafaela Cara still looking good.

    Now it's Mariah Carey.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    Brixian59 said:

    Reasons to dislike Kemi part 453

    Classic case today

    SW TV she's in Plymouth

    Slagging Labour off for the defence budget
    Slagging Labour off for the flood defence budget
    Claiming Parliament is effectively closed nothing happening for weeks because of Mandelson

    All bare faced lies
    Complete fabrication of the facts

    All politians lie but she is world class
    In complete denial of the shit show up to mid 2024 she was in the midst if

    Arrogant liar
    She's got a lot in common with Mandy

    She's got better as Starmer has faltered. Mind you she dropped back to dreadful the outing before last. Even she couldn't fail this week. I suspect the quick witted Rayner could run rings 'round her. Streeting not so much.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,387
    edited February 6
    Taz said:

    Statement from 3 survivors from the 2013 Lib Dem scandal who suffered smears and being disbelieved on the, eventual, action from the Lib Dem’s.

    https://x.com/aligoldsworthy/status/2019829764937380118?s=61

    Not a good look at all. It's taken 12/13 years for these women's complaints to be acted on. And Davey has only acted now because the women drew attention to his comments to Starmer on Mandelson.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,977
    edited February 6

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,197
    Oh please boo the US team and have the camera on Vance.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    Blimey. Valentino Rossi is now driving a tram in Milan.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702

    Taz said:

    Statement from 3 survivors from the 2013 Lib Dem scandal who suffered smears and being disbelieved on the, eventual, action from the Lib Dem’s.

    https://x.com/aligoldsworthy/status/2019829764937380118?s=61

    Not a good look at all. It's taken 12/13 years for these women's complaints to be acted on. And Davey has only acted now because the women drew attention to his comments to Starmer on Mandelson.
    The LibDems need a female leader.

    One who isn't planning to be PM.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,669
    MAGA: "Why are they hoisting up the Mexican flag???"
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,197
    So Italian to have three hotties from the Carabinieri.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,424
    edited February 6
    Brixian59 said:

    Reasons to dislike Kemi part 453

    Classic case today

    SW TV she's in Plymouth

    Slagging Labour off for the defence budget
    Slagging Labour off for the flood defence budget
    Claiming Parliament is effectively closed nothing happening for weeks because of Mandelson

    All bare faced lies
    Complete fabrication of the facts

    All politians lie but she is world class
    In complete denial of the shit show up to mid 2024 she was in the midst if

    Arrogant liar
    She's got a lot in common with Mandy

    You are ridiculous and time will show how wrong you are

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,162
    Taz said:

    Oops

    ‘ I’m dying over this email newsletter from The @spectator that mistakenly recycled this subhed from the day before (for an article that was actually about Iran’


    https://x.com/damintoell/status/2019789086613975040?s=61

    Are we sure it's a mistake: perhaps Prue Leith is hoping that millions of Americans beg Trump not to attack Iran so she can stay on Bake Off?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,516
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    Mandleson is a Wolves supporter? It's worse than I thought. What was Starmer thinking?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373

    Taz said:

    Statement from 3 survivors from the 2013 Lib Dem scandal who suffered smears and being disbelieved on the, eventual, action from the Lib Dem’s.

    https://x.com/aligoldsworthy/status/2019829764937380118?s=61

    Not a good look at all. It's taken 12/13 years for these women's complaints to be acted on. And Davey has only acted now because the women drew attention to his comments to Starmer on Mandelson.
    The LibDems need a female leader.

    One who isn't planning to be PM.

    You think Kemi might defect?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,434

    Bathtubs are the new windows.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2019834877173010700

    It is reported that former Russian Deputy Justice Minister Sergey Tropin was found dead in a bathtub at his Moscow apartment.

    It's when the bathtub you're in falls out of a window that people begin to get suspicious.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702

    Taz said:

    Statement from 3 survivors from the 2013 Lib Dem scandal who suffered smears and being disbelieved on the, eventual, action from the Lib Dem’s.

    https://x.com/aligoldsworthy/status/2019829764937380118?s=61

    Not a good look at all. It's taken 12/13 years for these women's complaints to be acted on. And Davey has only acted now because the women drew attention to his comments to Starmer on Mandelson.
    The LibDems need a female leader.

    One who isn't planning to be PM.

    You think Kemi might defect?
    Nah.

    She wouldn't want to fight Daisy...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    Don't be so precious. I specifically utilised the Johnson weapon to make my point. I stand by my post.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    Mandleson is a Wolves supporter? It's worse than I thought. What was Starmer thinking?
    His pants weren't baggies..
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702

    Blimey. Valentino Rossi is now driving a tram in Milan.

    Impressive if he does a wheelie in it...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,977

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Yes, bit unfair (Mandy is suet genderbus) but as the magnificent muscly man said when he finally bent to reality, dems da breaks.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,434

    Blimey. Valentino Rossi is now driving a tram in Milan.

    Impressive if he does a wheelie in it...
    Surely the problem is more if he high-sides it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    Mandleson is a Wolves supporter? It's worse than I thought. What was Starmer thinking?
    In Elementary, Holmes discovers the modern day Sebastian Moran is an football supporter.

    "Arsenal fan? As if I didn't have enough reasons to despise you already. {thunk}"
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,197

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    Mandleson is a Wolves supporter? It's worse than I thought. What was Starmer thinking?
    His pants weren't baggies..
    But they were on fire.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    Mandleson is a Wolves supporter? It's worse than I thought. What was Starmer thinking?
    Could be worse, he could be Villa.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    I was very specific. The long term toxicity is in the New Labour brand.

    Of course in the medium term Mandelson trashes Labour but by jettisoning the entire project they have a chance of repatriating the lefty vote. A tall order but possible. Remember Mandelson's treachery was aimed as much at his own Labour Government in Office as discrediting the nation.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,424
    edited February 6

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    The problem for labour from Blair to Starmer is just how embedded into the party and his activities were well known, and yet they made him US Ambassador who upto a few weeks ago lived in our Washington Embassy and today is having the Met Police search his UK home


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/06/labour-minister-intelligence-files-gathered-on-journalists-josh-simons

    A Labour minister was provided with intelligence files gathered on journalists investigating the thinktank that helped propel Keir Starmer to power, the Guardian has learned.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,406

    It's a sure sign that the Starmer crisis has passed its high point when the PB collective start wibbling about the fucking BBC licence fee, yet again.

    No it isn't. Its trying to chuck a dead cat onto the table
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    edited February 6

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    I was very specific. The long term toxicity is in the New Labour brand.

    Of course in the medium term Mandelson trashes Labour but by jettisoning the entire project they have a chance of repatriating the lefty vote. A tall order but possible. Remember Mandelson's treachery was aimed as much at his own Labour Government in Office as discrediting the nation.
    If they abandon New Labour values completely then many centrist swing voters still voting Labour would of course switch to the Tories or LDs
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,903
    The hypocrisy of the right wing media who thought the Mandelson appointment was worth the risk and now going into major hysteria .

    Of course Starmer can’t say why he appointed Mandelson. Appoint a sleaze bag who will feel right at home with another sleaze bag.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385
    nico67 said:

    The hypocrisy of the right wing media who thought the Mandelson appointment was worth the risk and now going into major hysteria .

    Of course Starmer can’t say why he appointed Mandelson. Appoint a sleaze bag who will feel right at home with another sleaze bag.

    Why can't he say that? Has the cat got his tongue?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    The idea that Starmer would be on the ballot is far-fetched. Any ballot would be decide who replaces him, not Starmer versus whoever.
    Not necessarily, unlike the Tories there is no mechanism to VONC a Labour leader.

    You can only nominate a candidate to challenge the leader in a leadership election. So if Starmer refused to resign of course he would be on the ballot against any challenger and that challenger would have to have got 81 Labour MPs to nominate them too
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,903

    nico67 said:

    The hypocrisy of the right wing media who thought the Mandelson appointment was worth the risk and now going into major hysteria .

    Of course Starmer can’t say why he appointed Mandelson. Appoint a sleaze bag who will feel right at home with another sleaze bag.

    Why can't he say that? Has the cat got his tongue?
    Just wait till the emails between Mandelson and No 10 get released ! I suspect there’s going to be a lot of embarrassing revelations .
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,267
    I'd like "He was suet genderbus" on my tombstone.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Yes, bit unfair (Mandy is suet genderbus) but as the magnificent muscly man said when he finally bent to reality, dems da breaks.
    Mandelson crafted New Labour brilliantly after the 1992 debacle. Had Lehman Brothers not crashed they might have won another five years in 2010. That year he was busy smashing the brand he built, but no one realised.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385
    https://x.com/DailyMail/status/2019831181471015357

    Revealed: Jeffrey Epstein set up £20K meeting between ex-Labour law chief and Yemini billionaire who wanted legal advice after his son 'raped and murdered Norwegian student'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,267
    nico67 said:

    The hypocrisy of the right wing media who thought the Mandelson appointment was worth the risk and now going into major hysteria .

    Of course Starmer can’t say why he appointed Mandelson. Appoint a sleaze bag who will feel right at home with another sleaze bag.

    Not only can he say that, but that's exactly what he should say.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702
    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour members | Preference for leader:

    Andy Burnham: 41%
    Wes Streeting: 19%
    Angela Rayner: 17%
    Miliband 8%
    Cooper 7%
    Mahmood 7%

    Poll:
    @Survation
    /
    @LabourList
    , 29 Jan-3 Feb
    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/2019800423477944610?s=20

    Thank the Lord, Milliband is currently an also ran and Burnham isn't an MP. Too late for Cooper, too early for Mahmood. Rayner is in Zahawi- legal jeopardy which leaves Streeting.

    I'd roll the dice on Rayner. It could go all Liz Truss, but it could work. Streeting is most likely continuity Sunak-Starmer.
    I still favour Streeting as we speak but Rayner is in with a chance with me. Maybe it's time to bring the curtain down (and this time for good) on the Blair New Labour project. If that sort of politics, even well delivered, can't now beat Farage then we might have to look at something different.
    That is my feeling. Mandelson has soiled New Labour to the point of extinction. He's Johnsoned the brand.
    Ratner would be a better comparison.

    The problem with the Mandelson scandal is that it reveals an essential truth about the New Labour project which there was previously a polite refusal to confront.
    So how does Labour detoxify it. Simply throwing Mandelson to the Wolves and making out it’s just him won’t work.
    Mandleson is a Wolves supporter? It's worse than I thought. What was Starmer thinking?
    Could be worse, he could be Villa.
    "He's a villain, Sir."

    In this instance, they should have got PC Savage to do the investigation...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,197
    dixiedean said:

    I'd like "He was suet genderbus" on my tombstone.

    Isn’t he Benedict Cumberbatch’s uncle on his mother’s side?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,424
    edited February 6
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Keir Starmer would lose a head-to-head leadership contest against Angela Rayner, but win against Wes Streeting and Ed Miliband, polling for LabourList has revealed.

    Polling conducted by Survation for LabourList found that the former deputy leader would defeat Starmer by a 11-point margin, but the Prime Minister would defeat the Energy Secretary by three points.

    Should Angela Rayner challenge Keir Starmer to the leadership of the party, the poll suggested she would secure close to a majority (48%) of support among Labour members, with Starmer attracting just under four in ten members’ support (37%) and 15% undecided or unsure....Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham would also defeat Keir Starmer in a head-to-head leadership contest by 53% to 37%. However, Burnham would be ineligible to stand as party leader as he is not an MP.

    Despite being one of the favourites to succeed Keir Starmer as the next Labour leader, should Starmer face-off against Streeting in a leadership contest, the Prime Minister would emerge triumphant, according to our poll.

    Starmer would secure support from 42% of party members, compared to just 30% for the Health Secretary, with 28% undecided or unsure.'
    https://labourlist.org/2026/02/keir-starmer-wes-streeting-leadership-survation-poll/

    The idea that Starmer would be on the ballot is far-fetched. Any ballot would be decide who replaces him, not Starmer versus whoever.
    Not necessarily, unlike the Tories there is no mechanism to VONC a Labour leader.

    You can only nominate a candidate to challenge the leader in a leadership election. So if Starmer refused to resign of course he would be on the ballot against any challenger and that challenger would have to have got 81 Labour MPs to nominate them too
    That is fair comment but surely Starmer will do the right thing and resign

    He would receive more credit by doing that then continuing an internal civil war with untold negative consequences

    As much as we discuss this, the public know what Starmer should do and certainly not to continue to tear labour apart
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,903
    edited February 6
    dixiedean said:

    nico67 said:

    The hypocrisy of the right wing media who thought the Mandelson appointment was worth the risk and now going into major hysteria .

    Of course Starmer can’t say why he appointed Mandelson. Appoint a sleaze bag who will feel right at home with another sleaze bag.

    Not only can he say that, but that's exactly what he should say.
    How will Trump respond if Starmer confirms what many think ! Lewis Goodall has an excellent article about this very thing in terms of why Mandelson was appointed.

    https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com/p/what-starmer-cannot-say?r=4i04j3&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay&triedRedirect=true
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