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Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin, Starmer’s Pincher moment – politicalbetting.com

In one of those amusing ironies I have spent the afternoon participating in a seminar about ethics & probity and my answer to every situation was ‘What would Lord Mandelson do in this situation and do the exact opposite’.

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  • First?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,134
    Has a redhead ever been Prime Minister before?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,863
    Streeting has no chance if SKS goes over Mandy no matter how many 'we are all shocked' interviews he does. Too close on socials/piccys, too much of a protege.
    Ange the value
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,217
    rcs1000 said:

    Has a redhead ever been Prime Minister before?

    Churchill
  • Have to laugh. Labour wrestle back control from Jezbollah. Installs Blairites all over the machinery of government.

    Who sinks the government? The Prince of Darkness himself. Thus sinking his fellow Blairites and instigating the age of whatever we get next. Anyone seen to be associated with *that* will be out.

    He's long been Labour's albatross
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639
    Just four days into the second month of the year - and it all looks to have been turned upside down.

    If only the same turmoil would impact US politics.

    Should have waited until the last minute to get my pb competiton predictions in. Even then....
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521
    Stuck Farmer.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,863
    rcs1000 said:

    Has a redhead ever been Prime Minister before?

    Bobby Peel
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,250
    @kitty_donaldson

    Tory MP 1: “This feels like two days before Boris resigned. There was an energy shift in the chamber, people gasped when the PM said he knew”
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639
    edited February 4
    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?
  • Just four days into the second month of the year - and it all looks to have been turned upside down.

    If only the same turmoil would impact US politics.

    Should have waited until the last minute to get my pb competiton predictions in. Even then....

    Burnham to win the 2026 Holborn & St Pancras by-election would be awkward.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @kitty_donaldson

    Tory MP 1: “This feels like two days before Boris resigned. There was an energy shift in the chamber, people gasped when the PM said he knew”

    I made that point earlier.
  • Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,863

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Kemi ;)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,676
    Of course the Pincher saga started kicking off once the ministerial resignations started.

    Nobody has moved yet. Presumably there is a desire to wait for the disclosure first?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,676

    Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hard to see him lasting for another eight days to be fair right now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,863

    Of course the Pincher saga started kicking off once the ministerial resignations started.

    Nobody has moved yet. Presumably there is a desire to wait for the disclosure first?

    Yvette might try and cosplay honour
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,467
    edited February 4

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
  • Taz said:

    Stuck Farmer.

    He's getting political stunt karma
  • First?

    Oooh that was a first!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,676
    Let’s just get Ange in and have a nice proper ruckus of left v right. Get rid of the phoney war and lame Starmer triangulation.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521

    Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hopefully this useless twat (Starmer) will be gone by then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
    Indeed, that’s all we ever talk about
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,487
    @TheScreamingEagles you used my answer an all the ethics questions?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,250

    @jonwalker121

    Once again, Keir Starmer's government has been forced to "do the right thing", as an MP put it to me, by his own Labour MPs.

    There is a pattern of late or last-minute climbdowns. But today is the last straw for many Labour backbenchers. They say there has to be a change
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 930
    Bet Starmer wishes he'd gone with George Osbourne now!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,250
    @AVMikhailova

    NEW: All talk about Angela Rayner today

    She has caused ‘mayhem’ by forcing PM’s hand on having Parliament oversee Mandelson disclosures

    Rayner has been coming into the Chamber with a ‘praetorian guard’ of allies on either side, MPs say

    Sam Tarry spotted on the Estate 👀

    It’s a day of private meetings away from the Chamber

    North West MPs were seen ‘convening’ before PMQs

    And Angela Rayner seen going into her office with a key ally just now 👀
  • Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,748

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    Doesn't have to be. This is about what the Labour Party think of her, not what the electorate thinks of her. And mysteriously, they fucking love her.
    In this way Ange is very much Labour's Truss.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 930

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
    The Country (or rather the English part of it, I suppose) don't really want a 'normal' PM. They want a vaguely aristocratic man, from a fee paying school, with a posh voice and a born to rule attitude.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,676

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    There is a similarity in that there is a cumulative effect of Starmer forcing his MPs to defend particular positions (and removing the whip in some circumstances) and then rowing back later. Although the climbdown was quicker this time, the government expected its backbench to amend the motion today and has caved because it simply wasn’t tenable anymore.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,325

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    A better analogy might be with Theresa May, with Rayner in the role of Boris. She might not be the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity but she has undeniable personal charisma.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,293

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    I'd guess there are roughly two ideas there.

    A competent PM in practical running the country terms, would reduce the level of grievance and unhappiness that Farage feeds off. Who would that be? No idea.

    A PM who could communicate with the public, who could gain their trust, maybe due to passing the have a pint with test, or just because they can make political arguments simple and obvious. Feels like this quality is actively selected against for politicians. Even someone like Rayner, who at least doesn't come across as being in politics since the age of 12, has spent too long talking to an internal Labour party audience, rather than with the public. That's why she messed up with the Tory scum comment.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,751

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    She's the furthest they've got from the old boy's club attitudes that led to where we are.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,250
    @jamesdaustin.bsky.social‬

    One thing about this debate is that it's a slew of Labour MP's who Starmer has spurned for one reason or another, almost all women, going in studs first.

    Thornberry showing how good she is here.

    @roberthutton.co.uk‬

    True fact: Emily Thornberry was the *ONLY* MP to comment in parliament on Mandelson's appointment in the nine months before the scandal broke.

    (She called it "inspired", but let's glide past that.)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,888
    Cookie said:

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    Doesn't have to be. This is about what the Labour Party think of her, not what the electorate thinks of her. And mysteriously, they fucking love her.
    In this way Ange is very much Labour's Truss.
    Oh no that means I like Labours Truss !

    I just really like Angela Rayner and would happily vote for her . I was willing to give Starmer a chance but he’s failed miserably and this latest debacle is one stupid decision too far . Anyone with an iota of common sense or just even the most basic of political nous would have never appointed Mandelson to that role .
  • Yesterday I asked what Starmer would have said if Boris had appointed a paedo pal as US Ambassador; I got Russian Lord as the whataboutery

    Today - @PaulBrandITV

    Mandelson furore fast becoming a moment of peril for the PM.

    One Labour MP texts:

    "It's the morality of it. If this were Boris we'd be asking for his head... we'd be pushing for transparency... It stinks, I'm sorry."

    "His admission he knew at PMQs was the deal breaker".
  • Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    I think what gives this scandal more potency is that Pincher was a bottom Pincher, Epstein is a convicted serial paedophile, on the ick factor it makes it much worse.
  • Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hard to see him lasting for another eight days to be fair right now.
    A Labour friend asked me if I thought he would last until May.

    MAY? Will he last until Monday???
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,134

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,041
    edited February 4
    Unpopular said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
    The Country (or rather the English part of it, I suppose) don't really want a 'normal' PM. They want a vaguely aristocratic man, from a fee paying school, with a posh voice and a born to rule attitude.
    A shame Jo Grimond or Tam Dalyell are no longer with us .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,798

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Farage. Because then he would actually need to turn up and deliver rather than his usual game of carping on the sidelines and spouting easy, pub-bore opinions.
  • Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hard to see him lasting for another eight days to be fair right now.
    A Labour friend asked me if I thought he would last until May.

    MAY? Will he last until Monday???
    The question is do they act now or after May which is likely to be a blood bath for labour ?
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,599

    Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hard to see him lasting for another eight days to be fair right now.
    A Labour friend asked me if I thought he would last until May.

    MAY? Will he last until Monday???
    there's no doubt that this has been cutting through to an extent. next week might be the time if MPs go back to their constituencies over the weekend and get the reaction from the coalfield
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,614
    Unpopular said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
    The Country (or rather the English part of it, I suppose) don't really want a 'normal' PM. They want a vaguely aristocratic man, from a fee paying school, with a posh voice and a born to rule attitude.
    Back in the 60's ..... I know, I know ..... they preferred both Heath and Wlison to Douglas-Home. And Thatcher to Foot.
  • When is the ides of February?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,325
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    Macron doesn’t have a clean pair of hands with respect to Epstein.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,676

    Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hard to see him lasting for another eight days to be fair right now.
    A Labour friend asked me if I thought he would last until May.

    MAY? Will he last until Monday???
    How quickly will the vetting docs be released? If there’s something in that, that flags the issue to the PM quite strongly, is that not the smoking gun that could cause everything to start unravelling?
  • When is the ides of February?

    Today
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,394

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    She's the furthest they've got from the old boy's club attitudes that led to where we are.
    I don’t think Angela Rayner is a traitor. I DO believe that about Starmer and those around him - Hermer, Sands, Powell. They loathe Britain and seek to harm Britons

    It’s that basic

    Rayner might well be an economic disaster but fuck it, how does that change anything. I don’t think Rayner will deliberately enact policies that are solely designed to harm the country she governs because she despises it

    It’s a pretty low bar but I reckon she’ll clear it
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,134

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    Macron doesn’t have a clean pair of hands with respect to Epstein.
    Have you been listening to Candace Owens again?
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 930

    Unpopular said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
    The Country (or rather the English part of it, I suppose) don't really want a 'normal' PM. They want a vaguely aristocratic man, from a fee paying school, with a posh voice and a born to rule attitude.
    No

    What they want is someone who is both in office and in power.

    Starmer gives the strong impression of a junior middle manager who is being bullied by everyone.
    Actually, I agree with that and I think it's overriding. But, with regards to the initial point that Rayner's northern roots and working class coding would contrast favourably with Farage in the Red Wall, it's not necessarily the case. The Country actually could go with a Raynor-flavoured politician, but I think it would, to some degree, be in spite of that background rather than because of it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521
    Presumably the inevitable by election in Holborn and St Pancras will be a Green gain ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,614
    Leon said:

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    She's the furthest they've got from the old boy's club attitudes that led to where we are.
    I don’t think Angela Rayner is a traitor. I DO believe that about Starmer and those around him - Hermer, Sands, Powell. They loathe Britain and seek to harm Britons

    It’s that basic

    Rayner might well be an economic disaster but fuck it, how does that change anything. I don’t think Rayner will deliberately enact policies that are solely designed to harm the country she governs because she despises it

    It’s a pretty low bar but I reckon she’ll clear it
    How about Thornberry?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,537
    Ironically this is bad news for Farage as it means for sure that Greens win the by-election.
    Strange world in which Zack and Kemi both benefit while Nige and Keir gnash their teeth.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,548

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    She's the furthest they've got from the old boy's club attitudes that led to where we are.
    OTOH we are now at the point where the next PM really needs to be someone who is all of: popular, competent in all the PM skills, and is exceedingly untarnished and in possession of an effective moral compass.

    I like Rayner, but wonder, for PM level, about 2 of these three. On one of them she has form. On the competence matter, what a fascinating question. Including 'What happens when she has to betray her soft left friends having been confronted with reality?'

  • Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,609
    LOL

    When TSE said in the header "Take the blame for May's election defeats", I immediately thought of Theresa! :lol:
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    Macron doesn’t have a clean pair of hands with respect to Epstein.
    I wonder how Macron handled him then ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639
    edited February 4
    There were times past when it felt like the PM was on a highly-oiled vertiginous slope. This is one of those times.

    In my time:

    Heath - just about ejected by the voters, but his demise felt certain after the 3 day week

    Wilson was left field - ill health not widely known.

    Callaghan - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain after unburied dead

    Thatcher - her demise reminds me of today. She just had to go. And she did.

    Major - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain

    Blair - dragged it out to prevent Brown, but there came a point that he could hold back the inevitable no longer

    Brown - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain once he bottled the early election

    Cameron - his demise was inevitable once he lost the Brexit referendum. He just slinked off, despite saying he wouldn't (no-one believed that)

    May - she probably survived more borrowed time than most, but again, her political demise was inevitable

    Johnon - post-Pincher, he was fucked. No way he could survive the sentiment of "fuck off, now"

    Truss - started pretty much on day one. No way she could survive the bond market sentiment of "fuck off, now"

    Sunak - ejected by the voters, but his spectacular demise was certain

    Starmer - huge majority, but the thin ice it was built on started melting very quickly. Now EVERYONE - especially his huge raft of MPs - is saying "Fuck off, now. And take that bloody Chancellor with you."

    The ramp is being greased by Rayner as we speak.
  • I think this is the first header to be partially written in Aramaic.

    #Polymath
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,798

    I think this is the first header to be partially written in Aramaic.

    #Polymath

    #AccesstoAI surely?
  • Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim

    Fuck’s sake, Sky News have sent me a notification about this story.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,403
    I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,751
    algarkirk said:

    Whilst I agree Starmer is in trouble, I am not sure the Pincher analogy holds water.

    With Pincher, it wasn't simply a failure of vetting but a situation where Johnson lied about what he knew and had colleagues unwittingly sent onto the media to propogate that lie. This was also the latest in a series of incidents where Johnson had been utterly unreliable.

    That may yet turn out to be the case for Starmer, but I don't think we are there - it was a foolish appointment given Mandelson's track record, but I don't think the anger towards Mandelson for having misled Starmer is synthetic.

    For that reason, whilst there is definitely a competence issue there and it's increasingly hard to see a very long term future for Starmer, I don't really see it playing out as it did in the final days of Johnson.

    I also find the Rayner surge a little odd. She has a lot going for her, but she isn't exactly Ms Clean, the candidate of unimpeachable personal integrity.

    She's the furthest they've got from the old boy's club attitudes that led to where we are.
    OTOH we are now at the point where the next PM really needs to be someone who is all of: popular, competent in all the PM skills, and is exceedingly untarnished and in possession of an effective moral compass.

    I like Rayner, but wonder, for PM level, about 2 of these three. On one of them she has form. On the competence matter, what a fascinating question. Including 'What happens when she has to betray her soft left friends having been confronted with reality?'

    I don't honestly think she'll be able to do it, but you never know, she might surprise on the upside...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639

    Just a reminder my holiday begins in fewer than eight days.

    Hard to see him lasting for another eight days to be fair right now.
    A Labour friend asked me if I thought he would last until May.

    MAY? Will he last until Monday???
    May day, May day, May day....
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,751
    edited February 4

    I think this is the first header to be partially written in Aramaic.

    #Polymath

    An Aramaic pun, no less
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,353
    Scott_xP said:

    @AVMikhailova

    NEW: All talk about Angela Rayner today

    She has caused ‘mayhem’ by forcing PM’s hand on having Parliament oversee Mandelson disclosures

    Rayner has been coming into the Chamber with a ‘praetorian guard’ of allies on either side, MPs say

    Sam Tarry spotted on the Estate 👀

    It’s a day of private meetings away from the Chamber

    North West MPs were seen ‘convening’ before PMQs

    And Angela Rayner seen going into her office with a key ally just now 👀

    You all know what I'm going to say:

    Has she had phone lines installed yet?
  • I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.

    She's got street smarts. That'll do for Labour
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,492

    Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim

    Fuck’s sake, Sky News have sent me a notification about this story.
    To translate into Aramaic?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Farage. Because then he would actually need to turn up and deliver rather than his usual game of carping on the sidelines and spouting easy, pub-bore opinions.
    He was there today.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,487
    Unpopular said:

    Unpopular said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Angela Rayner. Her northernness can be compared to Farage’s home counties poshness in the red wall.
    The Country (or rather the English part of it, I suppose) don't really want a 'normal' PM. They want a vaguely aristocratic man, from a fee paying school, with a posh voice and a born to rule attitude.
    No

    What they want is someone who is both in office and in power.

    Starmer gives the strong impression of a junior middle manager who is being bullied by everyone.
    Actually, I agree with that and I think it's overriding. But, with regards to the initial point that Rayner's northern roots and working class coding would contrast favourably with Farage in the Red Wall, it's not necessarily the case. The Country actually could go with a Raynor-flavoured politician, but I think it would, to some degree, be in spite of that background rather than because of it.
    I think the country would adapt to a politician who can actually run the country. A lawmaker who makes laws.

    They don’t want chaotic. They don’t want Process State Man.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,080

    There were times past when it felt like the PM was on a highly-oiled vertiginous slope. This is one of those times.

    In my time:

    Heath - just about ejected by the voters, but his demise felt certain after the 3 day week

    Wilson was left field - ill health not widely known.

    Callaghan - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain after unburied dead

    Thatcher - her demise reminds me of today. She just had to go. And she did.

    Major - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain

    Blair - dragged it out to prevent Brown, but there came a point that he could hold back the inevitable no longer

    Brown - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain once he bottled the early election

    Cameron - his demise was inevitable once he lost the Brexit referendum. He just slinked off, despite saying he wouldn't (no-one believed that)

    May - she probably survived more borrowed time than most, but again, her political demise was inevitable

    Johnon - post-Pincher, he was fucked. No way he could survive the sentiment of "fuck off, now"

    Truss - started pretty much on day one. No way she could survive the bond market sentiment of "fuck off, now"

    Sunak - ejected by the voters, but his spectacular demise was certain

    Starmer - huge majority, but the thin ice it was built on started melting very quickly. Now EVERYONE - especially his huge raft of MPs - is saying "Fuck off, now. And take that bloody Chancellor with you."

    The ramp is being greased by Rayner as we speak.

    If Starmer had followed his own instincts and installed Osborne, today wouldn't have happened. However he jettisoned his own better judgement and took McSweeney's disastrous advice.

    Time to go.

    Oh Angela Rayner🎵🎶🎵
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    He'd lose the primary to Carney.

    If I had anything to do with it...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,250

    Scott_xP said:

    @AVMikhailova

    NEW: All talk about Angela Rayner today

    She has caused ‘mayhem’ by forcing PM’s hand on having Parliament oversee Mandelson disclosures

    Rayner has been coming into the Chamber with a ‘praetorian guard’ of allies on either side, MPs say

    Sam Tarry spotted on the Estate 👀

    It’s a day of private meetings away from the Chamber

    North West MPs were seen ‘convening’ before PMQs

    And Angela Rayner seen going into her office with a key ally just now 👀

    You all know what I'm going to say:

    Has she had phone lines installed yet?
    Metaphorically it would appear so
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,080
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    Macron doesn’t have a clean pair of hands with respect to Epstein.
    Have you been listening to Candace Owens again?
    Well you live and learn. I thought William was Candace Owens!
  • I think this is the first header to be partially written in Aramaic.

    #Polymath

    #AccesstoAI surely?
    Nah, AI is shite, I know a few words of Aramaic, I know the writing’s on the wall headline, plus I learned a bit from watching The Passion of the Christ a few times.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639

    There were times past when it felt like the PM was on a highly-oiled vertiginous slope. This is one of those times.

    In my time:

    Heath - just about ejected by the voters, but his demise felt certain after the 3 day week

    Wilson was left field - ill health not widely known.

    Callaghan - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain after unburied dead

    Thatcher - her demise reminds me of today. She just had to go. And she did.

    Major - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain

    Blair - dragged it out to prevent Brown, but there came a point that he could hold back the inevitable no longer

    Brown - ejected by the voters, but his demise was certain once he bottled the early election

    Cameron - his demise was inevitable once he lost the Brexit referendum. He just slinked off, despite saying he wouldn't (no-one believed that)

    May - she probably survived more borrowed time than most, but again, her political demise was inevitable

    Johnon - post-Pincher, he was fucked. No way he could survive the sentiment of "fuck off, now"

    Truss - started pretty much on day one. No way she could survive the bond market sentiment of "fuck off, now"

    Sunak - ejected by the voters, but his spectacular demise was certain

    Starmer - huge majority, but the thin ice it was built on started melting very quickly. Now EVERYONE - especially his huge raft of MPs - is saying "Fuck off, now. And take that bloody Chancellor with you."

    The ramp is being greased by Rayner as we speak.

    If Starmer had followed his own instincts and installed Osborne, today wouldn't have happened. However he jettisoned his own better judgement and took McSweeney's disastrous advice.

    Time to go.

    Oh Angela Rayner🎵🎶🎵
    This year is fallow at Glasto.

    Will she still be around to hear it sung in 2027?
  • Scott_xP said:

    @AVMikhailova

    NEW: All talk about Angela Rayner today

    She has caused ‘mayhem’ by forcing PM’s hand on having Parliament oversee Mandelson disclosures

    Rayner has been coming into the Chamber with a ‘praetorian guard’ of allies on either side, MPs say

    Sam Tarry spotted on the Estate 👀

    It’s a day of private meetings away from the Chamber

    North West MPs were seen ‘convening’ before PMQs

    And Angela Rayner seen going into her office with a key ally just now 👀

    You all know what I'm going to say:

    Has she had phone lines installed yet?
    It’s all done on WhatsApp and Signal these days.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,863
    edited February 4
    London seats are going to be fascinating at this rate. Ive got half an eye on Beckenham and Penge as a surprise Tory gain for example
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,045
    edited February 4

    I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.

    She's got street smarts. That'll do for Labour
    The country as a whole and the financial markets will see through Rayner PDQ once she's PM, if it ever happens.

    It only took them about two weeks to realise what a dismal dud Starmer was, after all. For an outright catastrophe like Rayner I imagine her credibility will be measured in hours.
  • Rayner is the anti-Thatcher in almost every conceivable way
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,211
    Is there any mention of Murdoch in the Epstein files or has he somehow remained completely outside Epstein's network?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,353

    Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim

    Fuck’s sake, Sky News have sent me a notification about this story.
    Sky News has.

    Corporate entities, etc. are singular, not plural.

    So:

    Labour is in the shit, not Labour are in the shit.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    Macron doesn’t have a clean pair of hands with respect to Epstein.
    Have you been listening to Candace Owens again?
    Well you live and learn. I thought William was Candace Owens!
    She’s absolutely bonkers.

    I’ve met her husband, he’s a pollster, a Brit, went to the dump.

    I have the same feeling I have towards Joshua Rozenberg, Christ your missus is bat shit crazy, how do you cope?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,213
    edited February 4
    Andrew Neil on BBC News Channel:

    "It may not be long before this country has a new prime minister."
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 60

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Kemi ;)
    The one politician who is not the answer to the PM question idms is Kemi

    Beyond arrogant
    Highly unpopular
    Issues with truth, her alleged US uni offer
    Too argumentative
    Intellectually chalkenged
    Zionist lap dog

    The Tories have 2 correct answers to the question

    Cleverly
    Mordaunt

    Rayners other big positive is her opposition to zionism
    Massive in many marginal seats
    She would need Jones or Cooper in number 11 though to soothe the markets

    She neuters Zach
    She'd destroy Kemi At PMQ

  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,720

    I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.

    She needs to pick a good team and let them get on with it.
    She should use the Cabinet to QA major proposals and positions, acting primus inter pares.
    She needs an excellent foreign secretary. I suggest she goes back to Lammy.
    She needs communicate a vivid picture of a successful happy Britain. That's her job.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,353

    I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.

    A lack of formal educational qualifications does not equate with a lack of intellect.

    The reverse is also true.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,614
    Omnium said:

    Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim

    Fuck’s sake, Sky News have sent me a notification about this story.
    To translate into Aramaic?
    Friend of mine could speak, read and write Aramaic. He'd dead now, though!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,639

    Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim

    The real mind bleach is reserved for the thought of sloppy seconds...
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Emmanuel Macron.

    You heard it here first.
    Macron doesn’t have a clean pair of hands with respect to Epstein.
    Have you been listening to Candace Owens again?
    Well you live and learn. I thought William was Candace Owens!
    She’s absolutely bonkers.

    I’ve met her husband, he’s a pollster, a Brit, went to the dump.

    I have the same feeling I have towards Joshua Rozenberg, Christ your missus is bat shit crazy, how do you cope?
    The jiggy jiggy is so good it compensates ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,614

    I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.

    A lack of formal educational qualifications does not equate with a lack of intellect.

    The reverse is also true.
    Angela Rayner as PM plus a Deputy (or, for example, Foreign Sec) who "looked the part'? Cf Heath plus Douglas-Home?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521

    I know intellectual snobbery is a very unappealing trait but Angela Raynor is someone of very limited education. Being Prime minister is a very demanding job. Would she handle it? Possibly. But she might also be found out very quickly.

    A lack of formal educational qualifications does not equate with a lack of intellect.
    .
    Unless it’s Reform voters, obvs.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Kemi ;)
    The one politician who is not the answer to the PM question idms is Kemi

    Beyond arrogant
    Highly unpopular
    Issues with truth, her alleged US uni offer
    Too argumentative
    Intellectually chalkenged
    Zionist lap dog

    The Tories have 2 correct answers to the question

    Cleverly
    Mordaunt

    Rayners other big positive is her opposition to zionism
    Massive in many marginal seats
    She would need Jones or Cooper in number 11 though to soothe the markets

    She neuters Zach
    She'd destroy Kemi At PMQ

    Kemi beats Farage and trounces Starmer in approval

    But never mind - it must be hard for you watching her take down Starmer
  • The weirdest pairing of all time on PB: Brixian59 and HYUFD both pushing Cleverly to replace Kemi

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,521
    Brixian59 said:

    Who would Farage fear most as the new PM?

    Can we please have them?

    Kemi ;)
    The one politician who is not the answer to the PM question idms is Kemi

    Beyond arrogant
    Highly unpopular
    Issues with truth, her alleged US uni offer
    Too argumentative
    Intellectually chalkenged
    Zionist lap dog

    The Tories have 2 correct answers to the question

    Cleverly
    Mordaunt

    Rayners other big positive is her opposition to zionism
    Massive in many marginal seats
    She would need Jones or Cooper in number 11 though to soothe the markets

    She neuters Zach
    She'd destroy Kemi At PMQ

    This is just a regular under a nom de plume trolling for shits and gigz, not Ryan.
  • Ewwwww, I need mind bleach, and should take the pressure off Mandy.

    Andrew and Epstein asked for 'threesome' from exotic dancer, letters claim

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-02-04/andrew-and-epstein-asked-for-threesome-from-exotic-dancer-letters-claim

    The real mind bleach is reserved for the thought of sloppy seconds...
    Ewww, you have been banned and exiled to ConHome for at least a month.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,549
    Starmer exit in 2026 now shortened to 1.54:1, which is the shortest I've seen it. That's easy money if you're convinced he's going this year. (I'm not. I think those odds are about right.)
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