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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,846
    edited January 11
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A principled stance by Turner calling the by election to back jury trials and he may think he has more chance of holding his Hull seat now as a high profile independent than as a Labour candidate at the next general election, where Reform are forecast to win the 72% Leave Hull East constituency.

    Currently EC has Reform winning 45% in the seat with Labour on 19%, the Greens 11%, the Tories 9% and LDs 7%.

    So even if there is a by election and Reform win it Starmer won't face too much of a threat as Labour are likely to beat the Greens and LDs still. Even the university is in Hull North not East, so there won't even be much of a student/academic vote for the Greens and LDs to squeeze. If Turner splits the Labour vote further that can be explained as unique circumstances
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Hull East

    Hmm. Reform will obviously walk it. And I think Labour will crash down to at least third place. Greens and LibDems will attempt the Plaid trick in Caerphilly 0f being the stop-Reform option, though with less success. Either way a disaster for Starmer.
    The Greens and LDs might try but the demographics of Hull East are different to Caerphilly.

    Caerphilly was suburban Cardiff in much of the seat, 52% middle class ABC1 and was only 56% Leave and had 44% of voters as graduates and with a good education.

    By contrast Hull East is overwhelmingly white working class, 63% C2DE with only 35% of the seat graduates and with a good education and which was 72% Leave.

    I would expect Reform to win Hull East by a landslide but with Labour or an Independent Turner still second
    Technically none of Caerphilly is suburban Cardiff though there will be a fair bit of commuter traffic day to day.

    Can we just have some appreciation for a Labour MP who seems to be in favour of holding elections.
    Just a gentle reminder that Hull City Council is under majority Lib Dem control. there are no Reform councilors at all. So on the ground the Lib Dems will be well dug in, and, if the voters decide that Reform are indeed a bunch of American and Russian funded chancers, there is a clear alternative- and so I would be quite careful about putting my bawbies on the Reform nag- Tykes are not the same as Yellowbellies, even if they are now linked by a large bridge.
    Kingston Upon Hull East was 72% Leave, is 65% non graduate and non A level and 63% C2DE white working class. The LDs got just 7% there in 2024 at the GE compared to 31% who voted Reform.

    Even if the LDs won an overall majority, vanishingly unlikely, they would not win Hull East. So I expect a Reform clear win with near zero chance of the LDs getting anywhere near it. It is the type of place which might vote for some LD councillors to mend potholes and get the bins collected but certainly not vote LD at a general election

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Hull East
    In Hull North, they’d possibly be in with a chance. In East, not so much, especially if the current MP stands again. But they’re able campaigners and I wouldn’t write them off if a by-election comes along
    Yes, Hull North is where the university is so the LDs or even the Greens could have a chance there. Hull East, as you say, effectively no chance. It should be one of the easiest Reform gains in the country. Even if the LDs canvassed every house and delivered a Focus to every letterbox, Reform canvassed nobody and delivered nowhere the demographics are so strong for Reform there I would still expect Reform to win the by election from Labour not the LDs.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,851

    No doubt been commented on, but the main take on the Kemi interview is the proposal to ban under-16s from social media:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wyeqw3gpo

    "Tory leader Kemi Badenoch said if her party was in government, smartphones would also be banned in schools."

    Looks like she is finally getting the gist of opposition after the success of the stamp duty announcement. Leading the news and all that.

    Anyone seriously against the proposal, which has been introduced by a Labour govt in Australia, and is supported by NASUWT here in UK? A bit of a move towards Tory patrician instincts and away from purist libertarianism. May be a useful wedge with Reform if they don't follow suit.

    Concern for Tories must be that the best you can say about polling is that their vote has stabilised - but still struggling to make even 20%.

    It would help a lot with the very specific effects of social media on teenage networks. And it will be popular with voters, because nobody who votes will be inconvenienced at all.

    But it's also something of a distraction. The problems caused by SM don't stop at 16. To deal with the poisons, the algorithms and the bots with human names are much more important.

    That, and Elon's pervbot system.
    On the algorithms - I would recommend that if a site does other than order posting in time sequence, they are legally publishers. So discussion boards of the type of PB are not liable.

    This would in turn kill the bots

    Text-to-video generators are everywhere now. Open source ones exist. You can run them yourself, either on a hired, cloud hardware. Or increasingly on your home computer. Given the usual rate of progress (ha!) such generators will be available on phones within a couple of years

    There’s at least one app I’ve seen in testing which runs the backend in the cloud - you pay for that, but it does all the tech stuff for you.
    So, if a bulletin board 'hid' messages that were libellous or spam, that would make them a publisher? (We automatically hide/delete 50 to 100 messages an hour advertising online providers of certain pills.)

    What happens if a user wants to hide a certain poster? Or to highlight another? What if someone wanted to just read the most 'liked' comments?

    I think the issue is there's a massive squidgy grey area between (a) an algorithm determining what you see, and (b) just a simple time sequence of posts.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,301
    HYUFD said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A principled stance by Turner calling the by election to back jury trials and he may think he has more chance of holding his Hull seat now as a high profile independent than as a Labour candidate at the next general election, where Reform are forecast to win the 72% Leave Hull East constituency.

    Currently EC has Reform winning 45% in the seat with Labour on 19%, the Greens 11%, the Tories 9% and LDs 7%.

    So even if there is a by election and Reform win it Starmer won't face too much of a threat as Labour are likely to beat the Greens and LDs still. Even the university is in Hull North not East, so there won't even be much of a student/academic vote for the Greens and LDs to squeeze. If Turner splits the Labour vote further that can be explained as unique circumstances
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Hull East

    Hmm. Reform will obviously walk it. And I think Labour will crash down to at least third place. Greens and LibDems will attempt the Plaid trick in Caerphilly 0f being the stop-Reform option, though with less success. Either way a disaster for Starmer.
    The Greens and LDs might try but the demographics of Hull East are different to Caerphilly.

    Caerphilly was suburban Cardiff in much of the seat, 52% middle class ABC1 and was only 56% Leave and had 44% of voters as graduates and with a good education.

    By contrast Hull East is overwhelmingly white working class, 63% C2DE with only 35% of the seat graduates and with a good education and which was 72% Leave.

    I would expect Reform to win Hull East by a landslide but with Labour or an Independent Turner still second
    Technically none of Caerphilly is suburban Cardiff though there will be a fair bit of commuter traffic day to day.

    Can we just have some appreciation for a Labour MP who seems to be in favour of holding elections.
    Just a gentle reminder that Hull City Council is under majority Lib Dem control. there are no Reform councilors at all. So on the ground the Lib Dems will be well dug in, and, if the voters decide that Reform are indeed a bunch of American and Russian funded chancers, there is a clear alternative- and so I would be quite careful about putting my bawbies on the Reform nag- Tykes are not the same as Yellowbellies, even if they are now linked by a large bridge.
    Kingston Upon Hull East was 72% Leave, is 65% non graduate and non A level and 63% C2DE white working class. The LDs got just 7% there in 2024 at the GE compared to 31% who voted Reform.

    Even if the LDs won an overall majority, vanishingly unlikely, they would not win Hull East. So I expect a Reform clear win with near zero chance of the LDs getting anywhere near it. It is the type of place which might vote for some LD councillors to mend potholes and get the bins collected but certainly not vote LD at a general election

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Hull East
    Hull East is Reform’s to lose. If Karl Turner is a good constituency MP and stands, he could win. Labour have no chance.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,301

    HYUFD said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A principled stance by Turner calling the by election to back jury trials and he may think he has more chance of holding his Hull seat now as a high profile independent than as a Labour candidate at the next general election, where Reform are forecast to win the 72% Leave Hull East constituency.

    Currently EC has Reform winning 45% in the seat with Labour on 19%, the Greens 11%, the Tories 9% and LDs 7%.

    So even if there is a by election and Reform win it Starmer won't face too much of a threat as Labour are likely to beat the Greens and LDs still. Even the university is in Hull North not East, so there won't even be much of a student/academic vote for the Greens and LDs to squeeze. If Turner splits the Labour vote further that can be explained as unique circumstances
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Hull East

    Hmm. Reform will obviously walk it. And I think Labour will crash down to at least third place. Greens and LibDems will attempt the Plaid trick in Caerphilly 0f being the stop-Reform option, though with less success. Either way a disaster for Starmer.
    The Greens and LDs might try but the demographics of Hull East are different to Caerphilly.

    Caerphilly was suburban Cardiff in much of the seat, 52% middle class ABC1 and was only 56% Leave and had 44% of voters as graduates and with a good education.

    By contrast Hull East is overwhelmingly white working class, 63% C2DE with only 35% of the seat graduates and with a good education and which was 72% Leave.

    I would expect Reform to win Hull East by a landslide but with Labour or an Independent Turner still second
    Technically none of Caerphilly is suburban Cardiff though there will be a fair bit of commuter traffic day to day.

    Can we just have some appreciation for a Labour MP who seems to be in favour of holding elections.
    Just a gentle reminder that Hull City Council is under majority Lib Dem control. there are no Reform councilors at all. So on the ground the Lib Dems will be well dug in, and, if the voters decide that Reform are indeed a bunch of American and Russian funded chancers, there is a clear alternative- and so I would be quite careful about putting my bawbies on the Reform nag- Tykes are not the same as Yellowbellies, even if they are now linked by a large bridge.
    Kingston Upon Hull East was 72% Leave, is 65% non graduate and non A level and 63% C2DE white working class. The LDs got just 7% there in 2024 at the GE compared to 31% who voted Reform.

    Even if the LDs won an overall majority, vanishingly unlikely, they would not win Hull East. So I expect a Reform clear win with near zero chance of the LDs getting anywhere near it. It is the type of place which might vote for some LD councillors to mend potholes and get the bins collected but certainly not vote LD at a general election

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Hull East
    Hull East is Reform’s to lose. If Karl Turner is a good constituency MP and stands, he could win. Labour have no chance.
    By elections are more interesting when there is a small, or no, majority. Otherwise they are meaningless, apart from betting opportunities.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,889

    Shuttered my personal Twitter account. Too many worms eating into my brain. Will just use my YouTube Twitter profile.

    Did have a brief look over at BlueSky. What a waste of time that place is...

    Hold the front page.
  • Trump tells Cuba to 'make a deal, before it is too late'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2gn62vo

    Presumably he considers he is not bound by the agreement of previous Presidents to respect Cuba's sovereignity?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,320
    Labour voting against a sitting PM.... about as rare as hens teeth..
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,773

    White supremacist dating site profiles linked to Tory and Reform councillors

    https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/tory-and-reform-profiles-linked-to-white-supremacist-dating-site

    (It’s only actually one of each.)

    Should we be surprised?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,655
    edited January 11
    On Shrodinger's (emphasis on the "ding !!!") motorcyclist on the hypothetical roundabout, Big Jobber did one where the motorcyclist (who he calls a "cyclist" - overpowered 'e-bike') did not look.

    Including a very good outline of insurance liability, including that most cyclists have 3rd party liability cover, and if it is not a pedal cycle in the restricted legal definition, such cover will be void in the circumstances.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crgdbOIS54

    I think there could be a careless driving offence of some sort for the motorist if they should have seen the motorcyclist approaching at speed and should have seen them but did not. But it is quite likely that the police may choose not to prosecute.

    Once it gets to court sometmimes the Jury may overidentify with one party ("I could have done that, and I'm ordinary; let them off this time."). That imo is just a downside of juries, probabyl more than balanced by the jury having independence. IMO it happens sometimes against cyclists because nearly all cyclists drive, and only a minority of drivers cycle in road conditions ("it's too dangerous"). There was a fairly notorious case last autumn.
  • Disgusting class warfare from the Telegraph.

    Rory Stewart is wrong about everything, but he gets away with it because he is posh

    Fans of The Rest is Politics believe the social status of a political opinion matters more than its accordance with reality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/10/rory-stewart-the-rest-is-politics-wrong-about-everything/?recomm_id=d4985846-666e-4d66-b4ee-29f1e105c787
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,454

    Trump tells Cuba to 'make a deal, before it is too late'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2gn62vo

    Presumably he considers he is not bound by the agreement of previous Presidents to respect Cuba's sovereignity?
    Genuine :lol:
  • Roger said:

    White supremacist dating site profiles linked to Tory and Reform councillors

    https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/tory-and-reform-profiles-linked-to-white-supremacist-dating-site

    (It’s only actually one of each.)

    Should we be surprised?
    Perhaps they misunderstood what a 'wizard between the sheets' meant.

    #LifesBetterUnderATory.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,862
    MaxPB said:

    Fully support Kemi banning social media for under 16s.

    Glad to see that the Tory party is coming up with tangible policies, good ones too.

    Perhaps but the Australian experience, is, shall we say, "mixed".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mpmgn3jv2o
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    rcs1000 said:

    No doubt been commented on, but the main take on the Kemi interview is the proposal to ban under-16s from social media:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wyeqw3gpo

    "Tory leader Kemi Badenoch said if her party was in government, smartphones would also be banned in schools."

    Looks like she is finally getting the gist of opposition after the success of the stamp duty announcement. Leading the news and all that.

    Anyone seriously against the proposal, which has been introduced by a Labour govt in Australia, and is supported by NASUWT here in UK? A bit of a move towards Tory patrician instincts and away from purist libertarianism. May be a useful wedge with Reform if they don't follow suit.

    Concern for Tories must be that the best you can say about polling is that their vote has stabilised - but still struggling to make even 20%.

    It would help a lot with the very specific effects of social media on teenage networks. And it will be popular with voters, because nobody who votes will be inconvenienced at all.

    But it's also something of a distraction. The problems caused by SM don't stop at 16. To deal with the poisons, the algorithms and the bots with human names are much more important.

    That, and Elon's pervbot system.
    On the algorithms - I would recommend that if a site does other than order posting in time sequence, they are legally publishers. So discussion boards of the type of PB are not liable.

    This would in turn kill the bots

    Text-to-video generators are everywhere now. Open source ones exist. You can run them yourself, either on a hired, cloud hardware. Or increasingly on your home computer. Given the usual rate of progress (ha!) such generators will be available on phones within a couple of years

    There’s at least one app I’ve seen in testing which runs the backend in the cloud - you pay for that, but it does all the tech stuff for you.
    So, if a bulletin board 'hid' messages that were libellous or spam, that would make them a publisher? (We automatically hide/delete 50 to 100 messages an hour advertising online providers of certain pills.)

    What happens if a user wants to hide a certain poster? Or to highlight another? What if someone wanted to just read the most 'liked' comments?

    I think the issue is there's a massive squidgy grey area between (a) an algorithm determining what you see, and (b) just a simple time sequence of posts.
    If you delete stuff on the grounds of breaches of criminal or civil law, then that would be your duty. As I think it is, presently.

    Modification of posts, beyond deleting them, would be out.

    If the user wants to hide posters, then they can do it their browser - there are plugins for that.

    If you start providing stuff like "most liked" then you are into algorithms, for this concept.

    The "massive squidgy grey area" would be the people wanting extra features, apart from simple time series. Such as most commented thread etc. Well, if they want that, they become a "publisher".

    The idea is to make a simple dividing line. If you meet the standard, you can be a non-publisher, with some protection from the consequences of what appears on your site. If you don't, you are in the same boat physical newspapers were in for centuries.

    PB would be a non-publisher.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872

    Trump tells Cuba to 'make a deal, before it is too late'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2gn62vo

    Presumably he considers he is not bound by the agreement of previous Presidents to respect Cuba's sovereignity?
    Much as I despise Trump and all his works, Putin tore that up with Ukraine.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,231

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

  • algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    [consults ancient yellowing criminal law revision notes] Having had the benefit of reading the remarks of my noble lord Algarkirk, I concur.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    edited January 11

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    This MAGA guy is making a living out of notorious homicide, too.

    The right wants us to believe that a teen who showed up at a Wisconsin rally with an AR-15 and shot three people is a peacekeeper who deserves to be celebrated, but an unarmed mom driving away from a Minnesota rally was a domestic terrorist who deserved to die.
    https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/2009728276005044510
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,655

    Disgusting class warfare from the Telegraph.

    Rory Stewart is wrong about everything, but he gets away with it because he is posh

    Fans of The Rest is Politics believe the social status of a political opinion matters more than its accordance with reality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/10/rory-stewart-the-rest-is-politics-wrong-about-everything/?recomm_id=d4985846-666e-4d66-b4ee-29f1e105c787

    Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8d2eddb35f7fcfe2

    It's a strange one. UAE have withdrawn some sort of funding for their students to the UK because we have not banned the Muslim Brotherhood, and Stephen Daisley is cross with him about that and some other things.

    AIUI, the UAE are a key supporter of all sorts of dodgy groups in places like Afghanistan, and those imposing wars on Africa, including the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan, and the Janjaweed before that.

    Very strange.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,653
    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163

    Disgusting class warfare from the Telegraph.

    Rory Stewart is wrong about everything, but he gets away with it because he is posh

    Fans of The Rest is Politics believe the social status of a political opinion matters more than its accordance with reality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/10/rory-stewart-the-rest-is-politics-wrong-about-everything/?recomm_id=d4985846-666e-4d66-b4ee-29f1e105c787

    What the Telegraph's excuse, then ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,042
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    After the success of last week's turnip soup, today we are having turnip and celeriac soup.

    Time to start chopping vegetables.

    Are we talking Turnips or Swedes? It was after 20 years of marriage to a Scot that we found we were talking at cross purposes regarding Swedes/Turnips for all that time. It was a defining moment in our marriage.
    They're all turnips as far as I'm concerned. The shop did mistakenly refer to them as Swedes, however.

    This is the type we used to use for Halloween lanterns. None of this posho pumpkin nonsense back in the day.
    You are obviously related to my wife. Where in Scotland are you? Same with her and lanterns. I appreciate it makes life simpler using the same word for different veg, but it confused the life out of me for a long time.
    Not Scotland. Turnips are Turnips in NE England too.

    I'll remind everyone that the full name of Swede is Swedish Turnip.
    Or Swede for short :smirk:

    I'm in Surrey so NE England/Scotland is just splitting hairs.

    *Ducks*
    We had, at Xmas, roast potatoes, carrots, parsnips and parsley root.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,231

    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
    That won't come cheap. Going further: most people in prison are some of: educationally, socially, psychologically, psychiatrically etc abnormal. The entire of prison as a therapeutic community designed to help bad people be less bad instead of (as at present) worse would be excellent. Not cheap. And the Daily Mail won't like it.

    Pragmatic rationale for the Mail: 99.5% of prisoners are coming out, to live next door to someone in Somewheretown. It is greatly to our gain if they have not become worse people while in prison.

    There is of course a group of people who should never be let out. This is, IMO, quite a bit larger than the tiny group - about 60-70 - with whole life orders.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,294
    @Mexicanpete the donors to Ross think that Good was “a fanatical communist carpet muncher” and/or domestic terrorist.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872

    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
    I previously mentioned a friend, who as an NHS head shrinker, came under pressure to classify people as "needing medical attention, not prosecution". So their lawyers would go to the CPS and say that "they are on a treatment track, would prosecution really be in the public interest?"

    Since the people in question tended to be comfortably off, this would mean they would in The Priory or similar.

    So a version of this already happens, if you know people who can pull strings.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,640
    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    Sean_F said:

    @Mexicanpete the donors to Ross think that Good was “a fanatical communist carpet muncher” and/or domestic terrorist.

    No.

    She violently obstructed three hollow point bullets from an ICE agent's gun. So she is a An Antifa Nazi Communist Muslamic Trans Woke Illegal Immigrant Alien AI Terrorist.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,042
    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That interview must be from some months ago.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,320
    edited January 11

    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.

    Mandelsons defence is amazing. .... so much so that I'll be buggered... if the gay defence holds up. I feel sure that there must have been young men about somewhere..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,739

    Labour voting against a sitting PM.... about as rare as hens teeth..

    Not if it's a Tory one.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,362
    edited January 11
    Sean_F said:

    @Mexicanpete the donors to Ross think that Good was “a fanatical communist carpet muncher” and/or domestic terrorist.

    I tell you what, it's quite a bounty for blowing away " a fanatical communist carpet muncher and/ or domestic terrorist". What gofundme value is there on the heads of high profile Dems and Dem Celebrities?

    Oh and I don't think the victim should be referred to solely by her surname. I believe she deserves some respect. Ross on the other hand.

    #icethugcopycats
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,153
    On Topic certain Reform gain if there is a by election

    Presumably the author of the thread is a Reform supporter
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,851

    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.

    Russell Crowe was at the Nuremberg Trials???
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,362
    ...
    rcs1000 said:

    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.

    Russell Crowe was at the Nuremberg Trials???
    It was quite gladiatorial from what I recall.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,225
    rcs1000 said:

    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.

    Russell Crowe was at the Nuremberg Trials???
    Perhaps it started off as the weird unmade Nick Cave time travelling Gladiator sequel?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,153
    kinabalu said:

    Labour voting against a sitting PM.... about as rare as hens teeth..

    Not if it's a Tory one.
    Which it is currently
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,674
    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,640
    edited January 11
    rcs1000 said:

    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.

    Russell Crowe was at the Nuremberg Trials???
    I thought it was him, because it looked a lot like him. On the other hand he was speaking a lot of German, and he must be much older than that in real life now, so it probably was an actual German, because his English wasn’t very good when he tried to speak it.
    I enjoyed the film, on the yardstick it didn’t feel as though it went on as long as it actually did.

    Nuremberg is far better movie than One Battle After Another. The Nuremberg script and acting being strong points, generated characters that felt like they could even be real people; direction being its weak points, there wasn’t direction just Art Direction - in that sense it’s nearly as ludicrous and awful as Se7en was badly directed.
    One Battle After Another has pace for the first two thirds, and is watchable, but for the last third of the film the pace dies and it becomes contrived and awful cop out piece of storytelling. Horrid movie.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,685
    MattW said:

    Disgusting class warfare from the Telegraph.

    Rory Stewart is wrong about everything, but he gets away with it because he is posh

    Fans of The Rest is Politics believe the social status of a political opinion matters more than its accordance with reality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/10/rory-stewart-the-rest-is-politics-wrong-about-everything/?recomm_id=d4985846-666e-4d66-b4ee-29f1e105c787

    Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8d2eddb35f7fcfe2

    It's a strange one. UAE have withdrawn some sort of funding for their students to the UK because we have not banned the Muslim Brotherhood, and Stephen Daisley is cross with him about that and some other things.

    AIUI, the UAE are a key supporter of all sorts of dodgy groups in places like Afghanistan, and those imposing wars on Africa, including the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan, and the Janjaweed before that.

    Very strange.
    I am not sure what you mean by 'strange' or indeed 'very strange'. The author isn't at all 'cross' with the UAE, nor does be particularly support the UAE - he criticises Rory Stewart for posing as the voice of reason when his rebuttals are habitually inaccurate and poorly researched. It may be a line or argument you don't like, but it's quite clearly argued.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163

    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That interview must be from some months ago.
    You think she got smarter ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,362
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,042

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    The Renee Good gofundme is up to $1.5M, suggesting the US hasn't entirely lost its moral compass.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    Why did this idiot appear in my X feed ?

    universal literacy was a mistake
    https://x.com/Timcast/status/2010107933460443153

    Still, I'm hoping that blocking him reduces the number of Russian bots which show up.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,904
    Significant date for Russia's three day SMO. It has now been running for 1418 days, which is precisely the length of its Great Patriotic War. At this point in 1945 Russia had already occupied Berlin. In Ukraine today there was some fighting in a wrecked village that Russia previously claimed to have taken.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961
    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That's an annoying paradox.

    By saying she's untrustworthy, how can we believe her?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961
    FF43 said:

    Significant date for Russia's three day SMO. It has now been running for 1418 days, which is precisely the length of its Great Patriotic War. At this point in 1945 Russia had already occupied Berlin. In Ukraine today there was some fighting in a wrecked village that Russia previously claimed to have taken.

    I think I'm right in saying it's already been going for rather longer than Russia's involvement in WW1? And certainly much longer than the Civil War.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,197
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That's an annoying paradox.

    By saying she's untrustworthy, how can we believe her?
    "If we asked the President's other spokesman, what would..."

    Scrub that, it doesn't work. That requires half of the White House team to tell the truth.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That's an annoying paradox.

    By saying she's untrustworthy, how can we believe her?
    Is she from Crete?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,479

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    Is that net of the civil suit?

    I’m not sure if ICE has professional (hah!) indemnity insurance?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,301
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Significant date for Russia's three day SMO. It has now been running for 1418 days, which is precisely the length of its Great Patriotic War. At this point in 1945 Russia had already occupied Berlin. In Ukraine today there was some fighting in a wrecked village that Russia previously claimed to have taken.

    I think I'm right in saying it's already been going for rather longer than Russia's involvement in WW1? And certainly much longer than the Civil War.
    Also longer than the USA’s involvement in WW2.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,580
    Nigelb said:

    Why did this idiot appear in my X feed ?

    universal literacy was a mistake
    https://x.com/Timcast/status/2010107933460443153

    Still, I'm hoping that blocking him reduces the number of Russian bots which show up.

    No need for him to worry, apparently; from what I see on YouTube, we're gradually sinking back into that state.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,362

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    Is that net of the civil suit?

    I’m not sure if ICE has professional (hah!) indemnity insurance?
    Underwritten by the White House?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    Is that net of the civil suit?

    I’m not sure if ICE has professional (hah!) indemnity insurance?
    Underwritten by the White House?
    Out of interest, is it possible to bring private prosecutions for murder in Minnesota?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214


    Dept of Homeland Security...

    We’ll have our home again.

    http://JOIN.ICE.GOV

    https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2009731611365941453
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961
    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214

    Idiots.

    The correct translation is 'One People, One Homeland, One Leader.'

    Are they so thick they don't even speak basic German?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,197

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That's an annoying paradox.

    By saying she's untrustworthy, how can we believe her?
    Is she from Crete?
    More Cretin than Cretian.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214

    Idiots.

    The correct translation is 'One People, One Homeland, One Leader.'

    That is worrying - that suggests they accept even Trump cannot be President/Leader forever, so they need to prepare a new one to sustain the movement.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    Foss said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Peter Mandleson’s “I saw nothing” defence is no different than Russell Crowes at the Nuremberg Trials. Which I saw yesterday and thought was quite good.

    Russell Crowe was at the Nuremberg Trials???
    Perhaps it started off as the weird unmade Nick Cave time travelling Gladiator sequel?
    Would have been better than the sequel that emerged, which was just..empty and uninteresting.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    Is that net of the civil suit?

    I’m not sure if ICE has professional (hah!) indemnity insurance?
    Underwritten by the White House?
    Out of interest, is it possible to bring private prosecutions for murder in Minnesota?
    No.
    https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1977/46898-1.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,655
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
    That won't come cheap. Going further: most people in prison are some of: educationally, socially, psychologically, psychiatrically etc abnormal. The entire of prison as a therapeutic community designed to help bad people be less bad instead of (as at present) worse would be excellent. Not cheap. And the Daily Mail won't like it.

    Pragmatic rationale for the Mail: 99.5% of prisoners are coming out, to live next door to someone in Somewheretown. It is greatly to our gain if they have not become worse people while in prison.

    There is of course a group of people who should never be let out. This is, IMO, quite a bit larger than the tiny group - about 60-70 - with whole life orders.

    There's also a group who *should* be let out, essentially at once.

    Those are the victims of the Imprisonment for Public Protection debacle, which was declared unlawful without retrospective. 200 people have been imprisoned for more than 10 years beyond their tariff.

    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/IPP_sentences_the_facts_cover-724x1024.jpg
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Noem: We can't trust our government anymore.

    Bash: You are the government.

    Noem: Yes, that’s what I’m saying

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2010406025912791395

    That's an annoying paradox.

    By saying she's untrustworthy, how can we believe her?
    Is she from Crete?
    More Cretin than Cretian.
    Unkind.

    To cretins...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    Is that net of the civil suit?

    I’m not sure if ICE has professional (hah!) indemnity insurance?
    Underwritten by the White House?
    Out of interest, is it possible to bring private prosecutions for murder in Minnesota?
    No.
    https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1977/46898-1.html
    So basically, if you're either a corrupt scumbag or working for a corrupt scumbag who controls the legal process, you can get away with murder.

    That's a bit rubbish.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,807
    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There's an ICE, ICE, Barbie video meme begging to be generated.
  • ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214

    Idiots.

    The correct translation is 'One People, One Homeland, One Leader.'

    Are they so thick they don't even speak basic German?
    I think they are trolling us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    edited January 11
    Nigelb said:

    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348

    It's a very populous country with a lot of problems and an entrenched, fanatical regime run by decrepit old bigots (ones who have seen some big losses amongst their foreign proxies in the last year) - which suggests sadly the toll could rise much much higher. Even successful revolutions, which most are not, come with a lot of blood spilled.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
    That won't come cheap. Going further: most people in prison are some of: educationally, socially, psychologically, psychiatrically etc abnormal. The entire of prison as a therapeutic community designed to help bad people be less bad instead of (as at present) worse would be excellent. Not cheap. And the Daily Mail won't like it.

    Pragmatic rationale for the Mail: 99.5% of prisoners are coming out, to live next door to someone in Somewheretown. It is greatly to our gain if they have not become worse people while in prison.

    There is of course a group of people who should never be let out. This is, IMO, quite a bit larger than the tiny group - about 60-70 - with whole life orders.

    There's also a group who *should* be let out, essentially at once.

    Those are the victims of the Imprisonment for Public Protection debacle, which was declared unlawful without retrospective. 200 people have been imprisoned for more than 10 years beyond their tariff.

    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/IPP_sentences_the_facts_cover-724x1024.jpg
    I've never heard of it. Remarkable stuff.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,153
    edited January 11
    Just had a strange yoghurt

    Kefir fans please explain
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,666
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348

    It's a very populous country with a lot of problems and an entrenched, fanatical regime run by decrepit old bigots (ones who have seen some big losses amongst their foreign proxies in the last year) - which suggests sadly the toll could rise much much higher. Even successful revolutions, which most are not, come with a lot of blood spilled.
    3,500 is way more than previous uprisings in Iran, I think. If true. 500 killed in the last round of hijab protests.

    1,100 killed in the Romanian revolution of 1989, which was the bloodiest in recent European history. “Only” 108 killed in Ukraine’s revolution in 2014.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,655

    MattW said:

    Disgusting class warfare from the Telegraph.

    Rory Stewart is wrong about everything, but he gets away with it because he is posh

    Fans of The Rest is Politics believe the social status of a political opinion matters more than its accordance with reality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/10/rory-stewart-the-rest-is-politics-wrong-about-everything/?recomm_id=d4985846-666e-4d66-b4ee-29f1e105c787

    Full article link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8d2eddb35f7fcfe2

    It's a strange one. UAE have withdrawn some sort of funding for their students to the UK because we have not banned the Muslim Brotherhood, and Stephen Daisley is cross with him about that and some other things.

    AIUI, the UAE are a key supporter of all sorts of dodgy groups in places like Afghanistan, and those imposing wars on Africa, including the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan, and the Janjaweed before that.

    Very strange.
    I am not sure what you mean by 'strange' or indeed 'very strange'. The author isn't at all 'cross' with the UAE, nor does be particularly support the UAE - he criticises Rory Stewart for posing as the voice of reason when his rebuttals are habitually inaccurate and poorly researched. It may be a line or argument you don't like, but it's quite clearly argued.
    It's a strange article imo. I'm saying the author is cross with Stewart, not the UAE.

    David Cameron had a full review into the Muslim Brotherhood, considering a ban, and did not do so. Going back further to Blair, they could have done implemented a ban when they banned Hizb-ut-Tahrir in 2005. They did not do so.

    I find the piece to be a bit of a smorgasboard, written with a bit of an animus. Daisley's argument is a little facile imo:

    Avoidance of the day-to-day reality of multicultural, mass immigration Britain is the only way to prop up its hollow edifice. Their fear is not that the multicultural experiment has failed with disastrous consequences for the country – they plainly don’t care about that – but that conceding failure hands a moral victory to the Right and other critics of open borders.

    In the mind of the middle-class midwit, the world is divided into Good People, who believe in Being Kind, and Bad People, who say bigoted things because they’ve been brainwashed by Elon Musk and Nigel Farage.

    Policies and outcomes mean nothing. What matters is maintaining their soothing intellectual safe space in which the Good People are always right and the Bad People are Russian bots.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    FF43 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Significant date for Russia's three day SMO. It has now been running for 1418 days, which is precisely the length of its Great Patriotic War. At this point in 1945 Russia had already occupied Berlin. In Ukraine today there was some fighting in a wrecked village that Russia previously claimed to have taken.

    I think I'm right in saying it's already been going for rather longer than Russia's involvement in WW1? And certainly much longer than the Civil War.
    It's worth taking a moment to consider Ukraine's absolutely astonishing defence. It has taken a lot of death and destruction and Russia isn't an easy enemy at all, but Ukraine has stood its ground. You would never have guessed what it was capable of if you had knowledge of that previously dysfunctional country.
    That is something some of the supposed 'reaslists' and 'peace' supporters sometimes ignore. To be sure, many people have continually underestimated the staying power of Russia, and the future prospects of Ukraine ever regaining what has been taken look pretty bleak, but that does not mean the defence has not been remarkable.

    The 'fighting is bad, so we must support peace now' Corbynista brigade feel the most blind to me, since to pick just one example, had they had their way Ukraine would never have had the opportunity to regain Kherson, a city which once held 1/4 million people (far less today no doubt) or swathes of northern Ukraine, on the misplaced basis that since Ukraine could not ensure total defeat of Russia, there could be no reason to fight at all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,454
    edited January 11
    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214


    Dept of Homeland Security...

    We’ll have our home again.

    http://JOIN.ICE.GOV

    https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2009731611365941453

    The USA was built by wave after wave of migrants.

    So I have no idea who is getting "our home" again to be honest.

    But, for what it is worth, I think this week was peak Trump 2.0

    It is downhill from now on.

    The hubris and overreach has reached fever pitch. They really think they will all never see a court of law or a orange jump suit.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    edited January 11

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214

    Idiots.

    The correct translation is 'One People, One Homeland, One Leader.'

    Are they so thick they don't even speak basic German?
    I think they are trolling us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
    The normalisation of the facile 'annoying the right people' mindset amongst actual politicians and political commentators as a justification for, well, pretty much anything, has been an underreported sign of the debasement of modern politics.

    Politics could always be nasty, but many are now nasty just for sake of annoying the other side.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348

    It's a very populous country with a lot of problems and an entrenched, fanatical regime run by decrepit old bigots (ones who have seen some big losses amongst their foreign proxies in the last year) - which suggests sadly the toll could rise much much higher. Even successful revolutions, which most are not, come with a lot of blood spilled.
    When I first saw this, I wasn't quite sure for a moment whether you meant Iran or the US.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,088
    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
    That won't come cheap. Going further: most people in prison are some of: educationally, socially, psychologically, psychiatrically etc abnormal. The entire of prison as a therapeutic community designed to help bad people be less bad instead of (as at present) worse would be excellent. Not cheap. And the Daily Mail won't like it.

    Pragmatic rationale for the Mail: 99.5% of prisoners are coming out, to live next door to someone in Somewheretown. It is greatly to our gain if they have not become worse people while in prison.

    There is of course a group of people who should never be let out. This is, IMO, quite a bit larger than the tiny group - about 60-70 - with whole life orders.

    There's also a group who *should* be let out, essentially at once.

    Those are the victims of the Imprisonment for Public Protection debacle, which was declared unlawful without retrospective. 200 people have been imprisoned for more than 10 years beyond their tariff.

    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/IPP_sentences_the_facts_cover-724x1024.jpg
    I've never heard of it. Remarkable stuff.
    It's 2% of the prison population, AIUI Blunkett who brought them in regrets it and thinks they should all be released.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,331
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214

    Idiots.

    The correct translation is 'One People, One Homeland, One Leader.'

    Are they so thick they don't even speak basic German?
    I think they are trolling us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation
    The normalisation of the facile 'annoying the right people' mindset amongst actual politicians and political commentators as a justification for, well, pretty much anything, has been an underreported sign of the debasement of modern politics.

    Politics could always be nasty, but many are now nasty just for sake of annoying the other side.
    Very true, well said.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,961

    Nigelb said:

    Who was it complaining about Nazi allusions earlier ?

    This is the official US Department of Labor account on X:

    One Homeland. One People. One Heritage.

    Remember who you are, American.

    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2010141673389769214


    Dept of Homeland Security...

    We’ll have our home again.

    http://JOIN.ICE.GOV

    https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2009731611365941453

    The USA was built by wave after wave of migrants.

    So I have no idea who is getting "our home" again to be honest.

    But, for what it is worth, I think this week was peak Trump 2.0

    It is downhill from now on.

    The hubris and overreach has reached fever pitch. They really think they will all never see a court of law or a orange jump suit.

    If they come to Britain they probably won't given the backlogs.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,331
    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    MelonB said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348

    It's a very populous country with a lot of problems and an entrenched, fanatical regime run by decrepit old bigots (ones who have seen some big losses amongst their foreign proxies in the last year) - which suggests sadly the toll could rise much much higher. Even successful revolutions, which most are not, come with a lot of blood spilled.
    3,500 is way more than previous uprisings in Iran, I think. If true. 500 killed in the last round of hijab protests.

    1,100 killed in the Romanian revolution of 1989, which was the bloodiest in recent European history. “Only” 108 killed in Ukraine’s revolution in 2014.
    Something to remember

    When the leaders of Iran turn up in the West, demanding asylum, a number of people will demand they are given it.

    It will be interesting to compare statements from their parties, organisations, or even themselves (in the case of the older ones) when the progressive types demanded that the Shan of Iran (then very ill) be given no asylum because he was a Bad Man.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I saw a recent letter from a PCC who lamented how difficult it could be to fire a Chief Constable, with them also usually just moving on to another high profile job instead (not an unfamiliar problem in this country, once you know the right people and have had one decent position), but if they can prove misleading parliament you'd hope that would be sufficient.

    "retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making" feels like a euphemism, even though it is probably literally correct.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,851

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    A gofundme page for ICE agent Jonathan Ross has been created for anyone interested in contributing. He's already up to $130,000.

    It is a mixed up world

    ICE Barbie says she will send more agents to Minneapolis. More people are going to get shot I guess
    There are more ICE thugs in the twin cities than police, so yes I expect so.
    Jonathan Ross is $130,000 better off than he was last Wednesday thanks to his gofundme page so the arbitrary execution of civilians is a lucrative old business.
    That old hack? Man.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,851
    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The bit that made no sense about the whole Maccabi Tel Aviv issue was that there was no proposed bussing in of supporters, as happens all the time when there is likely to be a bit of tension.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    kle4 said:

    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I saw a recent letter from a PCC who lamented how difficult it could be to fire a Chief Constable, with them also usually just moving on to another high profile job instead (not an unfamiliar problem in this country, once you know the right people and have had one decent position), but if they can prove misleading parliament you'd hope that would be sufficient.

    "retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making" feels like a euphemism, even though it is probably literally correct.
    Indeed.

    To give a simple example - the NHS had to establish a register of “struck off” managers so that managers fired for grotesque acts, such as sustained criminal campaigns against whistleblowers, were not rehired.

    #NU10K


    The Operative: You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.
    Dr. Mathias: Well, unfortunately, I forgot to bring a sword.
    [Operative offers him a sword]
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    I know it becomes all relative, but are there going to be non member-led left slates amongst the Your Party ranks?

    I’m backing the Grassroots Left slate in the Your Party CEC elections:

    A member-led slate fighting for real democracy, empowering branches and members, ensuring transparency and accountability, and standing for socialist, anti-imperialist politics from the grassroots up.

    https://nitter.poast.org/zarahsultana/status/2010441922486374778#m

    I had this problem in a Union election, which as I've noted before had various groups of candidates telling you to back others in different categories, but no indication of why or what they stood for that the others did not (their statements were practically all interchangeable), presumably meaning the disagreements were on some arcane ideological basis that no one outside the cliques had any idea about.
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 228
    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Questions need to be asked of the Police and Crime Commissioner, Simon Foster, why the leader of the Green Lane Mosque was on the panel which appointed the Chief Constable. What other religious leaders were on the panel? Why, indeed, were any religious leaders there at all? Note that this mosque has had speakers there who have advocated for men to physically discipline their wives - or commit crimes against them - in other words. Community or religious leaders who think this even remotely appropriate should be nowhere near the appointment of police chiefs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    AnthonyT said:

    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Questions need to be asked of the Police and Crime Commissioner, Simon Foster, why the leader of the Green Lane Mosque was on the panel which appointed the Chief Constable. What other religious leaders were on the panel? Why, indeed, were any religious leaders there at all? Note that this mosque has had speakers there who have advocated for men to physically discipline their wives - or commit crimes against them - in other words. Community or religious leaders who think this even remotely appropriate should be nowhere near the appointment of police chiefs.
    Police routinely seek to engage with their local communities for good reasons, though being on an appointment panel is a curious one.

    And for all there are legitimately people within areas who can colloquially be referred to as community leaders, I fear it is one of those descriptors which had been fatally undermined in recent decades.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,245
    edited January 11
    Bloody hell, thought this was AI at first then considered why the feck would anyone want to fake Jeff Banks.

    https://x.com/miffythegamer/status/2010460345505386711?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,454
    AnthonyT said:

    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Questions need to be asked of the Police and Crime Commissioner, Simon Foster, why the leader of the Green Lane Mosque was on the panel which appointed the Chief Constable. What other religious leaders were on the panel? Why, indeed, were any religious leaders there at all? Note that this mosque has had speakers there who have advocated for men to physically discipline their wives - or commit crimes against them - in other words. Community or religious leaders who think this even remotely appropriate should be nowhere near the appointment of police chiefs.
    PCCs are about to get the chop. Not before time.What a f*cking waste of time and money that all was.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,270
    Not sure RFK Jr would agree

    We are living through a golden age of vaccine development.

    worksinprogress.co/issue/the…

    We can now visualize pathogens down to atoms; design vaccines in weeks; manufacture them in microbial factories; engineer them more precise than ever before.

    The future holds even greater breakthroughs, but only if we continue to invest in them.

    https://nitter.poast.org/salonium/status/2008920535254659481#m
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,674

    MelonB said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348

    It's a very populous country with a lot of problems and an entrenched, fanatical regime run by decrepit old bigots (ones who have seen some big losses amongst their foreign proxies in the last year) - which suggests sadly the toll could rise much much higher. Even successful revolutions, which most are not, come with a lot of blood spilled.
    3,500 is way more than previous uprisings in Iran, I think. If true. 500 killed in the last round of hijab protests.

    1,100 killed in the Romanian revolution of 1989, which was the bloodiest in recent European history. “Only” 108 killed in Ukraine’s revolution in 2014.
    Something to remember

    When the leaders of Iran turn up in the West, demanding asylum, a number of people will demand they are given it.

    It will be interesting to compare statements from their parties, organisations, or even themselves (in the case of the older ones) when the progressive types demanded that the Shan of Iran (then very ill) be given no asylum because he was a Bad Man.
    Do you think we should accept asylum seekers fleeing this murderous regime or do you think we should send them back?

    Iranians are one of the more frequent nations in asylum applications.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    kle4 said:

    AnthonyT said:

    isam said:

    EXCLUSIVE from @daisyeastlake

    Senior MPs are preparing to tell the home secretary to sack the chief constable of West Midlands police after concluding that he “misled parliament” over the decision to ban Israeli football fans from a match in Birmingham

    Members of the home affairs select committee are understood to be “unanimous in their disappointment” at the evidence given by the force, with several believing it had “retrospectively gathered evidence to suit their decision making

    Pressure is mounting on Craig Guildford, the West Midlands chief constable, to go after Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were barred from travelling to the game at Villa Park in November by the local Safety Advisory Group (SAG)

    One MP told The Times that sacking Guildford would be “the nuclear option” but said there was now “no other option” if their suspicions were confirmed that the force had given a misleading account

    They said: “I do believe strongly in the principle of police operational independence, but when you’ve got a community that’s lost all faith in its police force, and the potential that they have misled parliament, and it’s looking that way at the moment, then I don’t see any other option for the home secretary.”

    The home secretary cannot directly sack Guildford but she can set in motion the process that leads to his removal by publicly withdrawing confidence and writing to the police and crime commissioner (PCC) asking him to consider suspension and dismissal


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2010449433037771035?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Questions need to be asked of the Police and Crime Commissioner, Simon Foster, why the leader of the Green Lane Mosque was on the panel which appointed the Chief Constable. What other religious leaders were on the panel? Why, indeed, were any religious leaders there at all? Note that this mosque has had speakers there who have advocated for men to physically discipline their wives - or commit crimes against them - in other words. Community or religious leaders who think this even remotely appropriate should be nowhere near the appointment of police chiefs.
    Police routinely seek to engage with their local communities for good reasons, though being on an appointment panel is a curious one.

    And for all there are legitimately people within areas who can colloquially be referred to as community leaders, I fear it is one of those descriptors which had been fatally undermined in recent decades.
    It makes me think of the charming Community Leaders in Northern Ireland.

    Some of them have been shaved all over and stuffed into suits and can now fake being people for whole minutes at a time.

    You can take a Community Leader out of Portadown. But you can’t take the drug dealing, protection rackets and torture out of the Community Leader.

    You can’t get a Community Leader out of the men’s toilet at Magennis' Bar, either.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,872
    Foxy said:

    MelonB said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Horrific.

    Hour by hour, the numbers get more horrifying.
    Medical staff inside Iran report over 3,500 killed and more than 10,000 wounded, just those registered in hospitals.
    This is a massacre unfolding in Iran

    https://x.com/AlinejadMasih/status/2010408790378553348

    It's a very populous country with a lot of problems and an entrenched, fanatical regime run by decrepit old bigots (ones who have seen some big losses amongst their foreign proxies in the last year) - which suggests sadly the toll could rise much much higher. Even successful revolutions, which most are not, come with a lot of blood spilled.
    3,500 is way more than previous uprisings in Iran, I think. If true. 500 killed in the last round of hijab protests.

    1,100 killed in the Romanian revolution of 1989, which was the bloodiest in recent European history. “Only” 108 killed in Ukraine’s revolution in 2014.
    Something to remember

    When the leaders of Iran turn up in the West, demanding asylum, a number of people will demand they are given it.

    It will be interesting to compare statements from their parties, organisations, or even themselves (in the case of the older ones) when the progressive types demanded that the Shan of Iran (then very ill) be given no asylum because he was a Bad Man.
    Do you think we should accept asylum seekers fleeing this murderous regime or do you think we should send them back?

    Iranians are one of the more frequent nations in asylum applications.
    Members of the regime, if it falls, should be sent back to face criminal courts in Iran, based on a guarantee of no death penalty & and a fair trial.

    And no, "But I'm fucking guilty, so I won't stand a chance in court" isn't a valid argument.

    Were you for or against the Shah receiving asylum?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,454

    Paul Mason
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    Has Zack Polanski said anything about the Iranian revolution ? Anything?
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    Paul Mason
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    Has Zack Polanski said anything about the Iranian revolution ? Anything?

    Something something imperialists?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,163
    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    I've been cited for jury duty beginning of February. Never been cited before. Should be, um, "interesting".

    Conscripted, you mean! I've been called up twice, 1994 and 2006.
    My one stint of jury service involved repeatedly calling a telephone number to listen to a recorded message telling me I wasn't required that day and to phone back the next day - and all the superfluous paperwork so that I'd be paid when off work, which it turned out I never was.
    I was cited a few months ago but managed to get excused on grounds of age. Having been a Childrens Panel member for 11 years, I have served my time, so don’t feel guilty. I wish I had accepted my call up, though. I might have been able to adjudicate on HYUFD being hit by a motorist when he was travelling round a roundabout at 70mph on his motorcycle.
    Edit: I would have found HYUFD not guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility as he’s clearly round the bend!
    A pedant notes: The defence of diminished responsibility applies only to a charge of murder. Secondly, a successful plea does not result in a not guilty verdict but a verdict of guilty to manslaughter. Thirdly, being 'round the bend' is not in itself a ground for the finding of diminished responsibility. Most people found guilty of murder are 'round the bend' in any ordinary common sense meaning of the term.

    My plan to speed up the criminal justice system is to fast-track all looney tunes defendants straight to high-security hospitals and not pretend judges, juries and newspaper editors can tell these men are fit to stand trial normally, be sentenced to life and only later whizzed off to where they should have been all along.
    That won't come cheap. Going further: most people in prison are some of: educationally, socially, psychologically, psychiatrically etc abnormal. The entire of prison as a therapeutic community designed to help bad people be less bad instead of (as at present) worse would be excellent. Not cheap. And the Daily Mail won't like it.

    Pragmatic rationale for the Mail: 99.5% of prisoners are coming out, to live next door to someone in Somewheretown. It is greatly to our gain if they have not become worse people while in prison.

    There is of course a group of people who should never be let out. This is, IMO, quite a bit larger than the tiny group - about 60-70 - with whole life orders.

    There's also a group who *should* be let out, essentially at once.

    Those are the victims of the Imprisonment for Public Protection debacle, which was declared unlawful without retrospective. 200 people have been imprisoned for more than 10 years beyond their tariff.

    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/IPP_sentences_the_facts_cover-724x1024.jpg
    I've never heard of it. Remarkable stuff.
    Blair era. I think ?
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