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Well this is awkward – politicalbetting.com

SCOOP: Zarah Sultana’s unauthorised launch of a Your Party membership portal should be referred to the police, the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) has advised.Belter from @meganekenyon https://t.co/oq8hIUPA2w

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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,666
    first yet again
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785
    edited January 10
    Second again

    Meanwhile, time for a quick laugh on this cold and sunny morning:

    A Maga shared his vision of a ‘free Greenland’ and was brutally mocked all the way around the Arctic Circle and back

    https://www.thepoke.com/2026/01/09/a-maga-shared-his-vision-of-a-free-greenland-and-was-brutally-mocked-all-the-way-around-the-arctic-circle-and-back/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,034
    Sultana remains the only MP to list herself as “Your Party” on the Commons website, while the other 3 MPs who are in the Independent Alliance and still in Your Party list themselves still as independents. This means that instead of looking like a party with the same number of MPs as the Greens or Plaid Cymru, Your Party looks to be the same size as the TUV in Parliament. Which just looks like a bizarre self-inflicted wound, but maybe reflects that Sultana and the other 3 can’t agree on anything.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100
    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?
  • Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    Sultana could get a job in Trump's White House with such an ability to 'interpret' the facts.
  • Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
  • Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Naturally I share your indifference, CR, but it may be there is some proper fraud going on here, so the Police probably do need to have a gander.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    This could really damage YP's prospects in the May local elections...

    Oh, hang on a minute - they aren't fielding any candidates.

    What a bunch of clowns.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    I haven't done anything of the sort.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,034

    This could really damage YP's prospects in the May local elections...

    Oh, hang on a minute - they aren't fielding any candidates.

    What a bunch of clowns.

    (In England. Last I heard, we were waiting for the Scottish and Welsh chapters to make decisions there.)
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,828

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    In this case yes. My interpretation of the ICO's actions is that it wants to wash its hands of involvement and its SUGGESTION that Your Party MIGHT wish to refer the matter to the police seems no more than a convenient get out to that end.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Naturally I share your indifference, CR, but it may be there is some proper fraud going on here, so the Police probably do need to have a gander.
    What's the smoking gun?

    I don't get any sense from this story of the scale of money involved or what the allegation is for its misuse.

    It's all very vague and dull.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    In this case yes. My interpretation of the ICO's actions is that it wants to wash its hands of involvement and its SUGGESTION that Your Party MIGHT wish to refer the matter to the police seems no more than a convenient get out to that end.
    Yes, quite.
  • Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,034

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Naturally I share your indifference, CR, but it may be there is some proper fraud going on here, so the Police probably do need to have a gander.
    What's the smoking gun?

    I don't get any sense from this story of the scale of money involved or what the allegation is for its misuse.

    It's all very vague and dull.
    The scale is £500,000+, although that money has been being handed over to Your Party.
  • Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    Naturally I share your indifference, CR, but it may be there is some proper fraud going on here, so the Police probably do need to have a gander.
    What's the smoking gun?

    I don't get any sense from this story of the scale of money involved or what the allegation is for its misuse.

    It's all very vague and dull.
    This is from November.

    Coventry MP Zarah Sultana now has sole control over £800,000 in donations to Your Party after a fierce internal dispute over funds and data, just weeks before the party’s founding conference.

    The move has frustrated several senior figures and exposed deep rifts within the fledgling organisation.

    The money had been held by MoU Operations, a company formed in April to support an alliance of progressive MPs around Jeremy Corbyn. Its directors included former Labour MP Beth Winter, former Labour mayor Jamie Driscoll, and ex-South African politician Andrew Feinstein.

    Your Party, officially registered on 30 September with declared assets of £850,000, had not yet received the funds despite repeated internal requests. The delay prompted threats of legal action and widespread dissatisfaction.


    https://5pillarsuk.com/2025/11/02/zarah-sultana-takes-control-of-your-partys-800k-funds/

    The leftwing Your Party, set up by Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana, is embroiled in another public row over donations to the party.

    A statement from Corbyn along with Shockat Adam MP, Adnan Hussain MP, Ayoub Khan MP and Iqbal Mohamed MP states that hundreds of thousands of pounds were donated to the party “by supporters in good faith, but have since remained beyond its reach”, which they describe as being “extremely frustrating and disheartening”.

    It added a “small portion” of the funds was transferred to the party on Thursday which they said was “insufficient” and they will continue to pursue the immediate transfer of all the money donated.

    The statement posted on X by the independent alliance of MPs was not signed by Sultana and comes days after the Guardian reported on the former Labour MP and Corbyn’s quarrel over hundreds of thousands of pounds in donations.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/13/your-party-receives-small-portion-of-withheld-supporters-donations
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785
    "unprofessional at best" is a nice bit of understatement from our TSE
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,638
    Brains Trust:

    If a 12 year old runs a local garden maintenance business, what is the tax regimen?
  • Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    It's a bit more cynical.

    The more cocaine people use the more addicted they became and addicts make really bad trades/investments that cost the firm millions and potentially billions.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    She raised a very significant amount of money, purporting to be seeking donations/memberships on behalf of an organisation with the grounds for that, and her being entitled to do so or offer that membership being at the least questionable, and has been noticeably slow at passing on all of the £££, with a lack of openness and transparency throughout.

    Of course, if we assume she's basically honest and simply jumped the gun on her colleagues out of youthful enthusiasm, then there's 'nothing to see here'. On the other hand the same sequence of events could clearly be criminally abused by another person entirely if that person were dishonest.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,638
    Anne Applebaum: Europe is preparing for an America that turns hostile (Bulwark interview, 40 minutes)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tw9_2ltdRU
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,666

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Peter, when people are so thick and stupid as that they deserve mocking and much more, neutering at minimum so they cannot inflict more like themselves on the world. What an absolute weapon that clown is.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,637
    edited January 10
    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf
  • MattW said:

    Brains Trust:

    If a 12 year old runs a local garden maintenance business, what is the tax regimen?

    It's a taxable trade and he/she pays tax on the profits like anybody else. Not sure I see the problem.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,226
    MattW said:

    Brains Trust:

    If a 12 year old runs a local garden maintenance business, what is the tax regimen?

    No doubt there are complicated answers but the starting point is that a 12 year old has a personal allowance of £12+K for earned income like others and the threshold for VAT registration is the same as for anyone else. At 12 there are no NI implications.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,034
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aea6130

    The Biden administration got China to act on illicit fentanyl production, leading to a noticeable decline in fentanyl deaths. (Or, you know, you could win the War on Drugs by abducting the President of Venezuela.)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,226
    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,034
    IanB2 said:

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
    Well, I’m sure they’ve mostly defected to Reform by now.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,164
    IanB2 said:

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Campbell-Brown

    Has the money been returned to the victims yet?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,034
    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Campbell-Brown

    Has the money been returned to the victims yet?
    The Electoral Commission said: “Having considered all the evidence in this case, we have concluded that 5th Avenue Partners Limited met the requirements to be a permissible donor. The Electoral Commission will be taking no further action in this case”
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785
    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Campbell-Brown

    Has the money been returned to the victims yet?
    There's a qualitative difference between having a donor who turns out to be separately dodgy, and using public money to contract with these crooks to our collective detriment as taxpayers, as happened with both Covid PPE and, allegedly, in this case.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,637
    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,768

    Sultana remains the only MP to list herself as “Your Party” on the Commons website, while the other 3 MPs who are in the Independent Alliance and still in Your Party list themselves still as independents. This means that instead of looking like a party with the same number of MPs as the Greens or Plaid Cymru, Your Party looks to be the same size as the TUV in Parliament. Which just looks like a bizarre self-inflicted wound, but maybe reflects that Sultana and the other 3 can’t agree on anything.

    I love posts like that with obscure details which only political obsessives would know and which this site specialises in. (i write this to explain my 'like' in case it appears to refer to her who I find witless)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    edited January 10
    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,164

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Campbell-Brown

    Has the money been returned to the victims yet?
    The Electoral Commission said: “Having considered all the evidence in this case, we have concluded that 5th Avenue Partners Limited met the requirements to be a permissible donor. The Electoral Commission will be taking no further action in this case”
    IIRC the LibDems admitted it morally ought to be be paid out to the victims, but said they had spent it and could not afford to do so.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,796
    IanB2 said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    She raised a very significant amount of money, purporting to be seeking donations/memberships on behalf of an organisation with the grounds for that, and her being entitled to do so or offer that membership being at the least questionable, and has been noticeably slow at passing on all of the £££, with a lack of openness and transparency throughout.

    Of course, if we assume she's basically honest and simply jumped the gun on her colleagues out of youthful enthusiasm, then there's 'nothing to see here'. On the other hand the same sequence of events could clearly be criminally abused by another person entirely if that person were dishonest.
    It seems to be a bit of a power struggle between the Corbynist/Jihadist wing of the party and - er, not sure what to call the others but the less traditional less patriarchal left. The Sultana membership portal was supposed to be managed by something called MOU Operations Ltd which is the non-Corbynist wing. They reckoned this had been agreed but Corbyn's Peace and Justice Project then objected. Reading the article in the Guardian, the PJP is claiming to be Your Party's data controller.

    My reading is that the ICO has looked at it and said "nope, no data problems, nothing to do with us, report it to the Police if you think there is any fraud".

    The delay in making the funds available is to make provision for people to ask for their money back. Of course it is all a bit messy and there is the question that Sultana might be slowing things down because she doesn't want the Corbynist wing to get their hands on the money.

    My take on it anyway.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821
    Would likely depend on whether Corbyn had rights to the membership data or not as to whether Sultana had committed any fraud or not
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,796
    Roger said:

    Sultana remains the only MP to list herself as “Your Party” on the Commons website, while the other 3 MPs who are in the Independent Alliance and still in Your Party list themselves still as independents. This means that instead of looking like a party with the same number of MPs as the Greens or Plaid Cymru, Your Party looks to be the same size as the TUV in Parliament. Which just looks like a bizarre self-inflicted wound, but maybe reflects that Sultana and the other 3 can’t agree on anything.

    I love posts like that with obscure details which only political obsessives would know and which this site specialises in. (i write this to explain my 'like' in case it appears to refer to her who I find witless)
    Nah, you can find it out quite easily by reading the Wikipedia article (which I presume PB members have been helping to write, I have made one or two small edits myself)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821
    MattW said:

    Anne Applebaum: Europe is preparing for an America that turns hostile (Bulwark interview, 40 minutes)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tw9_2ltdRU

    Only for as long as Trump and Maga remain in power. Even then only liberal elite Europe, Le Pen, Bardella, the AfD, Orban, Farage etc are very much in Trump's corner and US white nationalists also have some sympathy for Putin
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,796
    HYUFD said:

    Would likely depend on whether Corbyn had rights to the membership data or not as to whether Sultana had committed any fraud or not

    Surely the members have rights, the data controller only has duties.

    People will have given their data for the purpose of joining a political party and basically it should be held securely and only used for that purpose.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821

    This could really damage YP's prospects in the May local elections...

    Oh, hang on a minute - they aren't fieldin g any candidates.

    What a bunch of clowns.

    The definition of Your is doing a lot of stretching here, soon it will be Zarah and a Marx reading student who gets out of bed at lunchtime
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,494
    edited January 10
    MattW said:

    Brains Trust:

    If a 12 year old runs a local garden maintenance business, what is the tax regimen?

    There is a £1000 allowance for self employment so as to exclude hobbies, newspaper rounds, and the such like.

    If over this there is obviously the £12570 personal allowance.

    If over this tax is payable and I am impressed that a 12 year old managed that.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,405
    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,768
    MattW said:

    Anne Applebaum: Europe is preparing for an America that turns hostile (Bulwark interview, 40 minutes)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tw9_2ltdRU

    If we don't make moves to cut our ties with Trump's US and rejoin the EU pretty soon we're going to miss the boat.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,139

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    Plenty of room on Ascension Island.

    Visiting might be a bit tricky, mind. Oh well....
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Family member used a lot of drugs - Ketamine, cocaine, PCP etc. The only difference was that the recipients of the drugs had their brains removed, sliced, and dosed with these drugs to see what happened. TLDR (rats) brains can take a lot of drugs.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,024

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    Hull. Stop cocaine use and provide urban improvement where it’s needed.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,013
    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    No. It’s to legalise (and tax) almost every drug, and supply advice on their use a controls around things like driving under the influence, like we do with booze.

    By doing that, you cut off funds to organised crime and terrorists; and you can do something about mistreatment in the supply chain as legitimate business takes over.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,024
    biggles said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    No. It’s to legalise (and tax) almost every drug, and supply advice on their use a controls around things like driving under the influence, like we do with booze.

    By doing that, you cut off funds to organised crime and terrorists; and you can do something about mistreatment in the supply chain as legitimate business takes over.
    Doesn’t this rely on the countries who grow and produce to not only legalise it but ensure that organised crime (who have decades of investment, control, interest and experience) move out of the growing and production of coke? What if the South American countries say they won’t legalise it due to its corruption etc - us legalising it just means that the users here benefit and the poor sods in Peru still suffer and the bad guys get wealthy.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,768
    I'm sure this has been seen on here but the woman shot by the policeman was called ''a fucking bitch' by the poiceman who shot her.

    It just gets worse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuQN_PaVw4

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,139

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Private Eye has made its special report on Teesside shenanigans available for download:-

    As Tees Valley mayor Lord Houchen's defence of his deal with local businessmen crumbles, here's the Eye's recent eight-page special report on how Britain's flagship regeneration scheme secretly turned into one of the biggest giveaways of public money on record.
    https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx0aBmBX5CxJvyEMmiwItJni2ij_VNs4mL

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/stripped-tees

    Or directly: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/stripped-tees.pdf

    The Tories seem to attract dodgy businesspeople like a magnet
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Campbell-Brown

    Has the money been returned to the victims yet?
    The Electoral Commission said: “Having considered all the evidence in this case, we have concluded that 5th Avenue Partners Limited met the requirements to be a permissible donor. The Electoral Commission will be taking no further action in this case”
    How gloriously convenient for you...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785

    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
    I wasn't recommending flying out to some red state and mocking them in person. Maybe you misunderstood?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,139
    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has been seen on here but the woman shot by the policeman was called ''a fucking bitch' by the poiceman who shot her.

    It just gets worse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuQN_PaVw4

    Being a "fucking bitch" carries a death sentence in Trumpistan....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,785
    Meanwhile I see Zack is saying he's up for an anti-Farage electoral deal, including with Labour. Which, given that on current polling some of his best next prospects are heavily Labour urban seats, seems both counter to his interest and most unlikely to come about?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,226

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,391
    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    edited January 10
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
    I wasn't recommending flying out to some red state and mocking them in person. Maybe you misunderstood?
    I have given false information. This is not bodycam footage but cellphone footage from Officer Ross. After Jonathan Ross has an altercation with the passenger on the passenger side of the car he changes hands with his phone so he can unholster his side arm. I suspect this is the moment he decided he was going on the ultimate thug adrenaline trip and kill a fellow human being.

    Oh and immediately after he kills her he calls her a "fucking bitch".
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,139
    First time in 12 years that going to get the papers has involved driving out onto sheet ice. Lanes fine, main road was the Cresta Run.

    God knows where the gritters got to.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,013
    boulay said:

    biggles said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    No. It’s to legalise (and tax) almost every drug, and supply advice on their use a controls around things like driving under the influence, like we do with booze.

    By doing that, you cut off funds to organised crime and terrorists; and you can do something about mistreatment in the supply chain as legitimate business takes over.
    Doesn’t this rely on the countries who grow and produce to not only legalise it but ensure that organised crime (who have decades of investment, control, interest and experience) move out of the growing and production of coke? What if the South American countries say they won’t legalise it due to its corruption etc - us legalising it just means that the users here benefit and the poor sods in Peru still suffer and the bad guys get wealthy.
    Money talks. We’re big enough to secure a supply. Massive smuggling risk for the EU if they didn’t follow suit, but that’s their problem.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,226
    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416

    First time in 12 years that going to get the papers has involved driving out onto sheet ice. Lanes fine, main road was the Cresta Run.

    God knows where the gritters got to.

    Morning all!

    The local Water Co (I think) has dug a large hole in the Main Street of our small town cutting in two (or to be more accurate 33/66.) It was dug yesterday and when I went past this morning no-one was working on it.
    Last week the bypass was closed, due to a fatal accident, so the town centre was jammed.
    This week it's empty!

    Such is life, I suppose.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has been seen on here but the woman shot by the policeman was called ''a fucking bitch' by the poiceman who shot her.

    It just gets worse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuQN_PaVw4

    I genuinely hope, and it might not be in my lifetime, all these fuckers who have promoted this culture see justice in a Nuremberg style court. And if I am dead by the time this evil house of cards falls I will regret I won't have been able to see Lord Jesse HawHaw Watters begging for his miserable life.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,925

    IanB2 said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    She raised a very significant amount of money, purporting to be seeking donations/memberships on behalf of an organisation with the grounds for that, and her being entitled to do so or offer that membership being at the least questionable, and has been noticeably slow at passing on all of the £££, with a lack of openness and transparency throughout.

    Of course, if we assume she's basically honest and simply jumped the gun on her colleagues out of youthful enthusiasm, then there's 'nothing to see here'. On the other hand the same sequence of events could clearly be criminally abused by another person entirely if that person were dishonest.
    It seems to be a bit of a power struggle between the Corbynist/Jihadist wing of the party and - er, not sure what to call the others but the less traditional less patriarchal left. The Sultana membership portal was supposed to be managed by something called MOU Operations Ltd which is the non-Corbynist wing. They reckoned this had been agreed but Corbyn's Peace and Justice Project then objected. Reading the article in the Guardian, the PJP is claiming to be Your Party's data controller.

    My reading is that the ICO has looked at it and said "nope, no data problems, nothing to do with us, report it to the Police if you think there is any fraud".

    The delay in making the funds available is to make provision for people to ask for their money back. Of course it is all a bit messy and there is the question that Sultana might be slowing things down because she doesn't want the Corbynist wing to get their hands on the money.

    My take on it anyway.
    I read it as journalistic stretch - basicaly the ICO said "not our problem, contact the police if you think something went wrong" and the PJP decided not to push ahead with it.

    I remain a possible member (I'm standing down as CLP chair this month, as I don't actually want to damage Labour) but only if they stop focusing on internal quarrels. As such, I agree with the PJP not pursuing the issue.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,738
    edited January 10
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
    I wasn't recommending flying out to some red state and mocking them in person. Maybe you misunderstood?
    His inner circle, enablers and MAGA base are gruesome but I have some sympathy for people who voted Trump out of genuine belief he was a smart cookie who would run things competently and in their best interests. You needed to be very much not a smart cookie yourself to believe this but that's no crime. These people are being let down (badly) and I'd have thought it's the loss of their support that is behind his declining poll numbers. Hopefully the midterms will crystallise this and we'll see Congress asserting itself. That's almost a year away, though, which in Trumptime (given the speed and volume of events he triggers) will feel like an eternity.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,945

    First time in 12 years that going to get the papers has involved driving out onto sheet ice. Lanes fine, main road was the Cresta Run.

    God knows where the gritters got to.

    Perhaps they were Gary Gritters?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340

    First time in 12 years that going to get the papers has involved driving out onto sheet ice. Lanes fine, main road was the Cresta Run.

    God knows where the gritters got to.

    That million pound DB5 of yours must be a bastard to handle on a day like today.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,391
    algarkirk said:

    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

    I think the drink driving changes are as much on my side of the argument as yours -- my impression is that what has driven the cultural change there is a combination of big public information campaigns in the 1980s/1990s, plus the introduction of the breathalyser, plus things like the police doing lots of random testing over Christmas etc. That makes it feel much more salient to people that this is a thing they really are likely to get caught for. Social pressure also as you say is a factor. I don't think any of this is driven by the severity of the resulting sentence and whether it's a driving ban or five years imprisonment or ten.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,401
    algarkirk said:

    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

    Yes, I do recall! I seem to remember selecting a volume, queuing up to be given some kind of voucher, and then going to another desk where I submitted the voucher and then was allowed to pay. Something like that, anyway. Maybe 1980s?
    The utter disregard for customer service was rather splendid.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,637
    algarkirk said:

    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

    Foyles, the largest bookshop in the world (it was claimed; whether anyone ever checked...) had a perfectly sensible system. You went to the relevant department, found your book on the shelves, helpfully arranged by publisher in some sections, or in the big piles on the floor because the shelves were full, and took the book to the counter.

    At the counter, the staff member would write a receipt by hand, which you would then take to a different counter and pay the amount shown before returning to the first counter to collect your book.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,139

    First time in 12 years that going to get the papers has involved driving out onto sheet ice. Lanes fine, main road was the Cresta Run.

    God knows where the gritters got to.

    That million pound DB5 of yours must be a bastard to handle on a day like today.
    If only it were mine.....I wouldn't be going to get the papers in it!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,226

    algarkirk said:

    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

    Yes, I do recall! I seem to remember selecting a volume, queuing up to be given some kind of voucher, and then going to another desk where I submitted the voucher and then was allowed to pay. Something like that, anyway. Maybe 1980s?
    The utter disregard for customer service was rather splendid.
    Exactly. My identical memories are mostly '60s and '70s.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,142

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
    I wasn't recommending flying out to some red state and mocking them in person. Maybe you misunderstood?
    I have given false information. This is not bodycam footage but cellphone footage from Officer Ross. After Jonathan Ross has an altercation with the passenger on the passenger side of the car he changes hands with his phone so he can unholster his side arm. I suspect this is the moment he decided he was going on the ultimate thug adrenaline trip and kill a fellow human being.

    Oh and immediately after he kills her he calls her a "fucking bitch".
    Jonathan Ross?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,768
    OT. For those who have the time Mamdani being interviewed by a variety of interviewers on his second day as Mayor of New York. Not since Blair in his prime have I heard such a skilled politician.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1b2IYA6rMQ
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,637

    First time in 12 years that going to get the papers has involved driving out onto sheet ice. Lanes fine, main road was the Cresta Run.

    God knows where the gritters got to.

    That million pound DB5 of yours must be a bastard to handle on a day like today.
    If only it were mine.....I wouldn't be going to get the papers in it!
    Not today anyway. Is that the one where you can't open the door in cold weather? (iirc the window drops slightly to let the door open but it can't if the mechanism freezes up)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    nico67 said:

    How on earth can a so called big butch ICE thug be so terrified of a vehicle crawling along slower than a snail?

    Pretty clear the thug lost his temper and decided to just execute the poor woman . At this point it’s clear ICE are lawless and think they have a free pass to do whatever they like .

    He was already so triggered, angry, out of control and unhinged Ross placed his cellphone into his weaker shooting hand probably thirty seconds or more before he shot Renee Good in the face three times. The moment he changed hands was the moment he decided the "fucking bitch" was going to die. And in Trump's America he can, and without recourse.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,338
    Is it really good enough for Keir Starmer to call for the Iranian regime to use restraint? Showing restraint is what you might rebuke Trump and his immigration enforcement unit for not doing. Shouldn't we be telling Iran to listen to their people's concerns?

    Iran has supported the biggest military aggression in Europe since 1945. What punishment has Europe inflicted as a result of this? This is why Trump thinks he can extort us. We're weak, weak, weak.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,293
    nico67 said:

    How on earth can a so called big butch ICE thug be so terrified of a vehicle crawling along slower than a snail?

    Pretty clear the thug lost his temper and decided to just execute the poor woman . At this point it’s clear ICE are lawless and think they have a free pass to do whatever they like .

    It is clear now that the crime of murder has been abolished in Trump’s America, if you are not a Democrat.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
    I wasn't recommending flying out to some red state and mocking them in person. Maybe you misunderstood?
    His inner circle, enablers and MAGA base are gruesome but I have some sympathy for people who voted Trump out of genuine belief he was a smart cookie who would run things competently and in their best interests. You needed to be very much not a smart cookie yourself to believe this but that's no crime. These people are being let down (badly) and I'd have thought it's the loss of their support that is behind his declining poll numbers. Hopefully the midterms will crystallise this and we'll see Congress asserting itself. That's almost a year away, though, which in Trumptime (given the speed and volume of events he triggers) will feel like an eternity.
    Trump got slightly under 50% of the vote, on a 64% turnout, which was down on the previous election, which suggests that his margin of support is, in fact, pretty low. This make me fear, in fact, that there will be significant efforts to either fiddle with the votes or the system.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Very amusing, Ian, but it is such mockery that fuels the visceral hatred that Magaland has for the Libtards.

    Maybe the Greenlanders do hanker for a McDonalds on both sides of the street, saving them the effort of having to cross the road, who knows?

    With what's going on now in the US, we are well beyond the point where anyone wishing to mock needs to exercise any restraint.
    Sadly you are wrong.

    The deliberate leaking of bodycam footage of Renee Good verbally abusing a clearly unhinged Officer Ross with a smile on her face moments before he executed her, because he could, is a salutary warning that ordinary people (with children's toys in the glovebox of their Honda) are not immune to a bloody and violent end if they dissent. They want you to see the blood, the performative cruelty, the refusal of life saving medical assistance, and Officer Ross driving off from what under any circumstance would be a crime scene without a care in the World.

    I've seen these videos where an genuine police officers intent on tasing a suspect, accidentally pulls out the Glock and they are inconsolable on realising the error. An error that ultimately leads to a custodial sentence for manslaughter. Officer Ross, an overweight thug with a marine style haircut, has no such qualms, casually sauntering over to the car and on seeing the carnage he has caused nonchalantly strides back towards his colleagues, and after a minute or so suggests someone calls 911 before driving off for his coffee and pancakes.

    As Time Walz implied people really do need to exercise restraint, because these f****** will respond with no restraint whatsoever.
    I wasn't recommending flying out to some red state and mocking them in person. Maybe you misunderstood?
    I have given false information. This is not bodycam footage but cellphone footage from Officer Ross. After Jonathan Ross has an altercation with the passenger on the passenger side of the car he changes hands with his phone so he can unholster his side arm. I suspect this is the moment he decided he was going on the ultimate thug adrenaline trip and kill a fellow human being.

    Oh and immediately after he kills her he calls her a "fucking bitch".
    Jonathan Ross?
    Yes Officer Ross filmed the execution.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228

    algarkirk said:

    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

    Yes, I do recall! I seem to remember selecting a volume, queuing up to be given some kind of voucher, and then going to another desk where I submitted the voucher and then was allowed to pay. Something like that, anyway. Maybe 1980s?
    The utter disregard for customer service was rather splendid.
    They had that system in the GUM store in Red Square in the 80's. Only it was bread that was on offer.

    Strange it is now online.

    https://gumrussia.com/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,504

    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has been seen on here but the woman shot by the policeman was called ''a fucking bitch' by the poiceman who shot her.

    It just gets worse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuQN_PaVw4

    I genuinely hope, and it might not be in my lifetime, all these fuckers who have promoted this culture see justice in a Nuremberg style court. And if I am dead by the time this evil house of cards falls I will regret I won't have been able to see Lord Jesse HawHaw Watters begging for his miserable life.
    Torn between wanting the nightmare to end as soon as possible, and Donny living long enough to see everything he ever touched being torched to the ground
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,768

    Is it really good enough for Keir Starmer to call for the Iranian regime to use restraint? Showing restraint is what you might rebuke Trump and his immigration enforcement unit for not doing. Shouldn't we be telling Iran to listen to their people's concerns?

    Iran has supported the biggest military aggression in Europe since 1945. What punishment has Europe inflicted as a result of this? This is why Trump thinks he can extort us. We're weak, weak, weak.

    What is this 'biggest military aggression in Europe since 1945'?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,504
    Trump said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

    Turns out his masked Nazi Stormtroopers can shoot somebody 3 times in the face while recording it on their phone and he wouldn't lose any voters, OK?

    His behaviour is becoming more extreme. In part that might be he has to keep escalating to stop the press from having enough time to analyse anything he does (assuming they still want to) and in part because he really does believe he is a God Emperor with no constraints other than the limits of his desires (there are very few limits)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,764
    edited January 10
    There is absolutely nothing that can excuse the killing of Ms Good

    This comment piece by Sky's US correspondent provides some insight

    An Independent enquiry should be launched but that simply will not happen in Trump's US

    As I said yesterday, the ICE officer seemed to panic and lost it which by any definition is unacceptable and possibly speaks to the lack of training

    Martha Kelner - US correspondent - Sky News


    'This video is only 47 seconds long, a close-up perspective, but it has unlocked even more questions about how and why Renee Nicole Good died.

    It is tragic in the sense that it shows the face and demeanour of a 37-year-old woman in the moments before she dies, filmed by the person who shot her.

    But I don’t think the footage provides any certainty about those crucial final few seconds, during which Good puts her car into drive, turns her wheel, accelerates and is then shot at three times by the officer.

    What is clear is that there is dialogue between the pair in the run-up. Good seems to be relatively calm, when she says "that's fine, dude, I'm not mad at you".

    Another woman, who appears to be Good's wife, seems to take a mocking tone with the officer when she says "go get lunch, big boy".

    The audio from the phone camera is distorted at the key moment. There is a sound that could indicate a collision between the car and the officer but, again, that is not certain.

    He definitely remains on his feet and at the end, appears to say "f***ing bitch".

    The reaction to this video shows how entrenched views are on both sides of the political aisle. The vice president says it proves the officer's "life was endangered". Democrats continue to maintain she was "murdered".

    In this country there is no time to wait for a full investigation in the rush to reach a conclusion and it could be very dangerous.

    At this point, the agent exclaims in shock and shoots multiple times.

    As Ms Good's car careers down the road before crashing into parked cars, the agent appears to mutter "f***ing bitch".

    Sky News has chosen not to air the swear words in the video.'

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,637
    Battlebus said:

    algarkirk said:

    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    Unless those people think there is a significant chance of their actually being caught and prosecuted, the severity of the sentence is unlikely to have much effect. For instance, take your example of driving: I would suggest that almost nobody adjusts their behaviour based on the penalties for careless driving -- they merely don't think it could ever possibly happen to them or apply to them.
    Maybe. But I think you are overlooking the effect of a number of ordinary middling sorts going direct to prison without passing Go. A parallel of sorts is the combined criminal and social pressures which have reduced drink driving among the ordinarily law abiding. Thirty years ago lots of people would 'take a chance'. Fewer now.

    Also, all of us could and would get away with shop lifting but the overwhelming majority don't, and don't even think of doing so.

    (Speaking of which, do any older PBers recall the old days of Foyles, the great bookshop in Charing Cross Road when it was literally much easier to steal a book than it was to buy it.)

    Yes, I do recall! I seem to remember selecting a volume, queuing up to be given some kind of voucher, and then going to another desk where I submitted the voucher and then was allowed to pay. Something like that, anyway. Maybe 1980s?
    The utter disregard for customer service was rather splendid.
    They had that system in the GUM store in Red Square in the 80's. Only it was bread that was on offer.

    Strange it is now online.

    https://gumrussia.com/
    This shows why Putin remains popular despite the SMO. Within living memory, Russians were queueing for bread. Now, some brands are a bit harder to buy than before sanctions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821
    algarkirk said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    This misses the point. The function of mandatory prison sentences is not in order to fill extra prisons but to deter certain actions. I am neutral as between decriminalisation and, OTOH, rational drug law enforcement. What is irrational is to deter traders with 25 year sentences but not deter use in any significant way.

    Would not a few dozen otherwise impeccable living middling sorts with wives, children and careers in auto finance and geography teaching going to prison for drug use be enough?

    I wonder how many of us are a little more careful about driving now that mere careless driving, if it chances to have certain outcomes, can lead straight to prison?

    It can but even if careless driving leads to death or serious injury in most cases the sentence will be a community order or suspended sentence. Only if the driver killed under the influence of drink of drugs would an immediate prison sentence be likely.

    We also should be considering changing highway laws to reduce speed limits on rural roads, narrow tracks and at bends or banning u turns or 3 point turns except in quiet residential streets as a lot of what would be mere careless driving could still be doing a currently legal manoeuvre
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,188
    Scott_xP said:

    Roger said:

    I'm sure this has been seen on here but the woman shot by the policeman was called ''a fucking bitch' by the poiceman who shot her.

    It just gets worse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuQN_PaVw4

    I genuinely hope, and it might not be in my lifetime, all these fuckers who have promoted this culture see justice in a Nuremberg style court. And if I am dead by the time this evil house of cards falls I will regret I won't have been able to see Lord Jesse HawHaw Watters begging for his miserable life.
    Torn between wanting the nightmare to end as soon as possible, and Donny living long enough to see everything he ever touched being torched to the ground
    You know that Roald Dahl story where the wife kept her dead (formerly controlling) husband's brain in a jar with an eye to see all the things she does now?

    That.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821
    Roger said:

    OT. For those who have the time Mamdani being interviewed by a variety of interviewers on his second day as Mayor of New York. Not since Blair in his prime have I heard such a skilled politician.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1b2IYA6rMQ

    He is more Corbyn in policy than Blair whatever his style
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile I see Zack is saying he's up for an anti-Farage electoral deal, including with Labour. Which, given that on current polling some of his best next prospects are heavily Labour urban seats, seems both counter to his interest and most unlikely to come about?

    It would almost certainly only apply in suburban and provincial town seats, not inner city or big university town seats where Labour v Green battles were more likely
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    edited January 10

    There is absolutely nothing that can excuse the killing of Ms Good

    This comment piece by Sky's US correspondent provides some insight

    An Independent enquiry should be launched but that simply will not happen in Trump's US

    As I said yesterday, the ICE officer seemed to panic and lost it which by any definition is unacceptable and possibly speaks to the lack of training

    Martha Kelner - US correspondent - Sky News


    'This video is only 47 seconds long, a close-up perspective, but it has unlocked even more questions about how and why Renee Nicole Good died.

    It is tragic in the sense that it shows the face and demeanour of a 37-year-old woman in the moments before she dies, filmed by the person who shot her.

    But I don’t think the footage provides any certainty about those crucial final few seconds, during which Good puts her car into drive, turns her wheel, accelerates and is then shot at three times by the officer.

    What is clear is that there is dialogue between the pair in the run-up. Good seems to be relatively calm, when she says "that's fine, dude, I'm not mad at you".

    Another woman, who appears to be Good's wife, seems to take a mocking tone with the officer when she says "go get lunch, big boy".

    The audio from the phone camera is distorted at the key moment. There is a sound that could indicate a collision between the car and the officer but, again, that is not certain.

    He definitely remains on his feet and at the end, appears to say "f***ing bitch".

    The reaction to this video shows how entrenched views are on both sides of the political aisle. The vice president says it proves the officer's "life was endangered". Democrats continue to maintain she was "murdered".

    In this country there is no time to wait for a full investigation in the rush to reach a conclusion and it could be very dangerous.

    At this point, the agent exclaims in shock and shoots multiple times.

    As Ms Good's car careers down the road before crashing into parked cars, the agent appears to mutter "f***ing bitch".

    Sky News has chosen not to air the swear words in the video.'

    Big G, a moment after the passenger says "go get lunch, big boy" is when he unholsters his side arm. The only dispute regarding "did she drive at him?" arises from the distant grainy footage from some considerable way behind the maroon Honda Pilot. All other footage confirms she drove at 1 or 2 mph, right hand down, away from Officer Ross, If he is brushed by the car it is after he has shot her three times and she has released the steering wheel because she is dead and the car accelerates because dead people can't regulate the speed on an automatic car.

    In some respects what happens next is even more chilling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,821

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    You've just said my job isn't important.

    Investitgating financial crimes is very important.
    Anything juicy recently?
    Nope, my investigations have mostly centred on cocaine and unsolicited & solicited dick pics.
    In my OH's last company, she was asked to ignore the cocaine misuse as the company wouldn't have a sales team left. Your lot must have higher standards.
    Just to point out that this is an everyday example of the ridiculous state of affairs where wholesalers in this product are getting 20-25 year sentences while the product is regarded by millions as quotidian and normal.

    If demand ceased, so would supply. Either decriminalise or make the user the real criminal, not the hard working trader.

    MPs and television presenters have been cancelled over dodgy bants or porn but politics and the media are fuelled by actually illegal drugs. And this illustrates a real problem – the growing gulf between what is acceptable and what is legal.
    Coke is now such a naff drug - it’s being hoovered up noses in pubs up and down the country by every man jack and off kitchen counters by bored mums.

    Is the answer to be massively illiberal on coke - 1 year in prison, no suspended sentences or anything for possession. Announce it from the rooftops - you are caught with coke, or driving under the influence and you are going to prison for a year so say goodbye to your mid level management job, your kids, your bed. Prepare to be unable to cover your mortgage and lose your home, have a nightmare with a drugs offence when opening accounts or travelling.

    Would something this severe smash the casual use? These people aren’t thinking of the chain of poor fuckers down the line working in grim conditions to harvest and produce, those getting killed in the trade so why have any sympathy for the end users?

    I’m not sure how I feel about the above but would be an interesting experiment.
    Where do you plan to build the extra 3,000 prisons?
    Plus hire all the extra police to raid Canary Whary and city of London offices or Soho and film sets where coke use is rife?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577

    Firstly, I don't really care (but that might be because it's Sultana and Your Party, which is as insignificant as it is amusing) and, secondly, really? Don't the police have better things to be spending their time on?

    It's not even as though any hurtful posts are involved, is it?
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