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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,070

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,578
    edited 7:00PM

    Carnyx said:

    Suboptimal

    https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2006002340474609794

    Primrose Hill will be closed on New Year’s Eve this year ⛔There will be fencing, security and a police presence to prevent access.

    If you had planned to head there to get a view of the central London fireworks, please make alternative arrangements.

    Some more here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crrkreqvzy2o
    Can’t have plebs watching for free can we!
    More probably the mentality of crime reduction by stopping people doing stuff.

    See the police opposition to a jazz club in Covent Garden. Not because they were worried about schwartzer musicians getting teenagers hooked on Mary Jane - apparently they were worried that people going in and out if the club might be subject to crime.

    Literally blame the victims - in advance.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,109

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,085

    Suboptimal

    https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2006002340474609794

    Primrose Hill will be closed on New Year’s Eve this year ⛔There will be fencing, security and a police presence to prevent access.

    If you had planned to head there to get a view of the central London fireworks, please make alternative arrangements.

    I'd rather watch the fencing than the fireworks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,578
    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,758

    rcs1000 said:

    The US clearly isn't willing to let other countries regulate its multinationals:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2006000521979769130

    South Korea’s proposed amendment to its Network Act, ostensibly focused on redressing defamatory deepfakes, reaches much further — and endangers tech cooperation.

    So long as the US doesn't regulate other countries multinationals, then that would -at least- be consistent.

    However, I haven't seen any proposals to exempt Sony or Siemens from US laws. Presumably that's coming, right?
    Why should they be consistent? Power doesn't work that way.
    Which is a perfectly consistent view (albeit the US dresses up their concerns as somehow being about fundamental rights, like free speech).

    But it's also a fundamentally foolish one.

    Americans use Google and Apple and Netflix and Amazon and ChatGPT and Anthropic. You might be able to get countries to change laws, but you are liable to get kicked in the teeth by consumer behaviour. (As Tesla has found out.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    edited 7:08PM

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    In 1800 less than 5% of population of the Kingdom of Great Britain could vote, so of course more of the elite were in the House of Commons as they were mostly electing themselves!

    We also had a huge empire for civil servants to run and generals to protect
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,728
    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    Only if he goes via Barnard Castle.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,728

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I am irresistibly reminded of my Blackadder:

    'The only decent impression he can do is of a man with no talent.'

    (That's not quite true. He has extraordinary talents for self-promotion and self-deception.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,646
    edited 7:13PM
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,093

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,646
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,839
    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,074
    Have we done this yet?

    "Israel has become the first country to formally recognise Somalia's breakaway region of Somaliland as an independent nation."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g417md05go
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,646
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    I see no reason to plunge the party into a leadership crisis no matter what happens in May, especially with Jenrick or Cleverly as terrible options

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,839
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The US clearly isn't willing to let other countries regulate its multinationals:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2006000521979769130

    South Korea’s proposed amendment to its Network Act, ostensibly focused on redressing defamatory deepfakes, reaches much further — and endangers tech cooperation.

    So long as the US doesn't regulate other countries multinationals, then that would -at least- be consistent.

    However, I haven't seen any proposals to exempt Sony or Siemens from US laws. Presumably that's coming, right?
    Why should they be consistent? Power doesn't work that way.
    Which is a perfectly consistent view (albeit the US dresses up their concerns as somehow being about fundamental rights, like free speech).

    But it's also a fundamentally foolish one.

    Americans use Google and Apple and Netflix and Amazon and ChatGPT and Anthropic. You might be able to get countries to change laws, but you are liable to get kicked in the teeth by consumer behaviour. (As Tesla has found out.)
    I don't think Tesla is a good example because that's a backlash against Musk personally rather than America in general.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,646

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Hopefully it is Reform who go bust

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    edited 7:24PM

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    I see no reason to plunge the party into a leadership crisis no matter what happens in May, especially with Jenrick or Cleverly as terrible options

    You may not but you are a Kemi loyalist. 65% of Tory MPs voted for Jenrick or Cleverly last year though not Kemi and if the Tories were 3rd on NEV next May a VONC in her leadership is very likely
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,578

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,617

    Suboptimal

    https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/2006002340474609794

    Primrose Hill will be closed on New Year’s Eve this year ⛔There will be fencing, security and a police presence to prevent access.

    If you had planned to head there to get a view of the central London fireworks, please make alternative arrangements.

    Oh. I was meant to meet Leon up there for a potentially fraught exchange of mindsets and worldviews over a few cans. That will have to be off now.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,085
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,646
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    I see no reason to plunge the party into a leadership crisis no matter what happens in May, especially with Jenrick or Cleverly as terrible options

    You may not but you are a Kemi loyalist, 65% of Tory MPs voted for Jenrick and Cleverly last year though and if the Tories were 3rd on NEV next May a VONC in her leadership is very likely
    I am not so much a Badenoch loyalist but someone who wants the conservatives recover and send Reform packing

    I certainly do not want a Reform lite leader like Jenrick
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,973

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
    Many of the best and brightest do go into government. It doesn't matter though because an inefficient system can more than undo their abilities.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,064

    Have we done this yet?

    "Israel has become the first country to formally recognise Somalia's breakaway region of Somaliland as an independent nation."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g417md05go

    It would be interesting if more follow, though that it has been resisted by, well, everyone up to this point suggests there has to be a better reason than simply makebelieving that Somalia (to include Somaliland) will become whole one day?

    I think Trump has mooted recognising it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,617

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
    Some of them do. Not those motivated mainly by £££ obviously (business and finance) or by pure brainwork (academia).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,839
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,064
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    I see no reason to plunge the party into a leadership crisis no matter what happens in May, especially with Jenrick or Cleverly as terrible options

    You may not but you are a Kemi loyalist. 65% of Tory MPs voted for Jenrick or Cleverly last year though not Kemi and if the Tories were 3rd on NEV next May a VONC in her leadership is very likely
    Do you think they will capitulate and pursue a Reform pact in that situation? It's hard to see how they could be more than second fiddle if they go cap in hand to Reform, albeit they don't have enough support anymore to outright fight Reform either.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,058

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    Then Badenoch would be challenged.
    It's third place only apparently...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,093

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
    Question is- does that matter?

    I'm not sure it does, at least not to the degree that Dom thinks. We don't want idiots in charge, sure. But I'm also pretty confident that our problems aren't the sort where the answers are going to come from clever people in a bunker.

    (If I had to guess, it's about reducing the length of chains of command and strengthening the sort of localism that Dom came to prominence for campaigning against.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    edited 7:34PM
    rkrkrk said:

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
    Many of the best and brightest do go into government. It doesn't matter though because an inefficient system can more than undo their abilities.
    Many do but more out of public service and duty. Even the PM and Cabinet Ministers are not in the top 1% of UK earners now let alone backbench MPs, though the PM and Chancellor and Foreign Secretary do at least get a stately home and central London home provided and all of those jobs but the Chancellor get chauffeur driven cars with bodyguards and outriders provided (as does the NI Secretary and in terms of car and bodyguards the Home Secretary too) so those top government jobs still attract power hungry egomaniacs even if being a backbench MP for life or Minister for Transport doesn't
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,085

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    I think LibDems second is more likely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,064
    ydoethur said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I am irresistibly reminded of my Blackadder:

    'The only decent impression he can do is of a man with no talent.'

    (That's not quite true. He has extraordinary talents for self-promotion and self-deception.)
    He seems like he could be quite useful in the right circumstances, but whilst self confidence is a useful thing ego can be self defeating.

    From his time in government he seems also to be under the delusion that being rude to people is automatically a positive. Sure, if everyone is a milquetoast consensus zombie that's not good either, but convincing people is about more than gathering the big brains.

    It's one reason we have politicians in the first place (in theory).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    Then Kemi and Starmer would face a VONC and leadership challenge
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    I see no reason to plunge the party into a leadership crisis no matter what happens in May, especially with Jenrick or Cleverly as terrible options

    You may not but you are a Kemi loyalist. 65% of Tory MPs voted for Jenrick or Cleverly last year though not Kemi and if the Tories were 3rd on NEV next May a VONC in her leadership is very likely
    Do you think they will capitulate and pursue a Reform pact in that situation? It's hard to see how they could be more than second fiddle if they go cap in hand to Reform, albeit they don't have enough support anymore to outright fight Reform either.
    Cleverly wouldn't, Jenrick might
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,602

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    And still they gazed, and still the wonder grew,
    That one small head could carry all he knew
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,634
    HYUFD said:

    Tres said:

    A long post from Zia Yusuf about Alicia Kearns. I wonder if the first casualties of the Alaa Abd El-Fattah affair could be members of the Tory party.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2005974367428309254

    Kearns is a far left campaigner - indistinguishable from Polanski on policy - and sits at the heart of Kemi Badenoch’s team as Shadow Minister for National Security:

    Kemi wants her to be the UK’s Minister for National Security.

    Do you?

    yep, no nutters in reform at all
    Yusuf is probably this generation's Mandelson or Osborne. Not someone to be underestimated.
    Yusuf isn't really good enough to be a Mandelson or Osborne tribute act, let alone the real thing
    Calm down dear.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,758

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The US clearly isn't willing to let other countries regulate its multinationals:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2006000521979769130

    South Korea’s proposed amendment to its Network Act, ostensibly focused on redressing defamatory deepfakes, reaches much further — and endangers tech cooperation.

    So long as the US doesn't regulate other countries multinationals, then that would -at least- be consistent.

    However, I haven't seen any proposals to exempt Sony or Siemens from US laws. Presumably that's coming, right?
    Why should they be consistent? Power doesn't work that way.
    Which is a perfectly consistent view (albeit the US dresses up their concerns as somehow being about fundamental rights, like free speech).

    But it's also a fundamentally foolish one.

    Americans use Google and Apple and Netflix and Amazon and ChatGPT and Anthropic. You might be able to get countries to change laws, but you are liable to get kicked in the teeth by consumer behaviour. (As Tesla has found out.)
    I don't think Tesla is a good example because that's a backlash against Musk personally rather than America in general.
    If country (a) is seen to be bullying country (b), it would be extremely surprising if consumers did not react.

    I can even give you some historical examples if you like. In 2019, Japan and South Korea got into a bit an argie bargie about semiconductor materials as the Japanese government attempted to maintan their local dominance and proibited some exports to South Korea. It was -fair to say- extremely poorly recieved in South Korea.

    Result:

    • Uniqlo sales in Korea dropped ~40%
    • Toyota sales collapsed by over 50%
    • Japanese beer imports fell ~90%
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,085

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    I think LibDems second is more likely.
    To back this up, the LibDems are second on vote share in council by elections since last May
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,758

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    I believe the phrase you're looking for is 'hyperbole'.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,070

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Reform were asleep at the wheel on this non-story that was bigged up to be the biggest calamitous story of the year for Starmer by Jenrick, Philp, Kemi and the Tories.

    Yusuf might be kicking Starmer while he's down, but Kemi and the Tories put him on the floor.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,728

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
    Well yes.

    Exhibit A - Dominic Cummings.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,758

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    I think LibDems second is more likely.
    To back this up, the LibDems are second on vote share in council by elections since last May
    With that said... in quite a few European countries, the Greens have ended up the de facto party of the Left. And in almost all (France being the obvious exception) they outpoll the local equivalent of the LibDems.

    So, I don't think it's impossible that a charasmatic leader like Polanski could lead the Greens to second place behind Reform. Heck, it's not impossible that if the Conservative/Reform split were to end up almost equal, and the Labour Party were to continue to shed votes, that they could end up leading the polls.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,839
    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,199
    @rcs1000 your laudable new home cooked food picture rule is being rather scuppered by the new tiny picture standard

    I’m not cooking anything tonight, but last night’s dinner looked like a thimbleful
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,109

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Fascinating that Bardot's convictions for racism were barely mentioned in the news coverage of her death. I wonder if it would have been the same if she had died closer to the events?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,192

    Taz said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-five-people-assaulted-with-weapon-at-a-hospital-13488722

    A man has been arrested after five people were assaulted with a weapon at a hospital.

    Merseyside Police say the incident began when a man attended Newton Community Hospital, in Newton-Le-Willows, on Tuesday afternoon and requested an appointment.

    "At this stage, it is believed that his request was declined, and when he was asked to leave, he became increasingly agitated and damaged a counter before assaulting several people inside the hospital, with a weapon - possibly a crowbar," a police spokesperson said.

    A 20-year-old man, who police say is originally from Afghanistan, has been arrested on suspicion of five counts of wounding with intent, affray and criminal damage.

    Apparently he went crazy a he was not happy waiting for an appointment. Not defending him but I must admit to feeling slightly vexed when I’m stuck in a slow queue.
    I had lunch yesterday with the executive director of a programme that helps special forces operatives reintegrate with society.

    She said her job was to teach them that the “old lady with ten coupons in front of them in the queue” doesn’t behave like other SFOs…
    A worthy cause but why is it left to a charity to do the work the Services should do. Admirable they have the time and resources to do it but …

    There seems to be a ‘they’re disposable’ attitude going on here.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,839
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The US clearly isn't willing to let other countries regulate its multinationals:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2006000521979769130

    South Korea’s proposed amendment to its Network Act, ostensibly focused on redressing defamatory deepfakes, reaches much further — and endangers tech cooperation.

    So long as the US doesn't regulate other countries multinationals, then that would -at least- be consistent.

    However, I haven't seen any proposals to exempt Sony or Siemens from US laws. Presumably that's coming, right?
    Why should they be consistent? Power doesn't work that way.
    Which is a perfectly consistent view (albeit the US dresses up their concerns as somehow being about fundamental rights, like free speech).

    But it's also a fundamentally foolish one.

    Americans use Google and Apple and Netflix and Amazon and ChatGPT and Anthropic. You might be able to get countries to change laws, but you are liable to get kicked in the teeth by consumer behaviour. (As Tesla has found out.)
    I don't think Tesla is a good example because that's a backlash against Musk personally rather than America in general.
    If country (a) is seen to be bullying country (b), it would be extremely surprising if consumers did not react.

    I can even give you some historical examples if you like. In 2019, Japan and South Korea got into a bit an argie bargie about semiconductor materials as the Japanese government attempted to maintan their local dominance and proibited some exports to South Korea. It was -fair to say- extremely poorly recieved in South Korea.

    Result:

    • Uniqlo sales in Korea dropped ~40%
    • Toyota sales collapsed by over 50%
    • Japanese beer imports fell ~90%
    A better example might be the Brexit negotiations. Did people stop buying BMWs when the EU tried to bully us into accepting its regulatory hegemony?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,085
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    I think LibDems second is more likely.
    To back this up, the LibDems are second on vote share in council by elections since last May
    With that said... in quite a few European countries, the Greens have ended up the de facto party of the Left. And in almost all (France being the obvious exception) they outpoll the local equivalent of the LibDems.

    So, I don't think it's impossible that a charasmatic leader like Polanski could lead the Greens to second place behind Reform. Heck, it's not impossible that if the Conservative/Reform split were to end up almost equal, and the Labour Party were to continue to shed votes, that they could end up leading the polls.
    Possible, yes but their performance in by elections doesn't point to it.

    I reckon the order will be:

    Reform
    LibDems
    Conservatives
    Labour
    Green
    Your Party and their fellow travellers
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,153
    rcs1000 said:

    The US clearly isn't willing to let other countries regulate its multinationals:

    https://x.com/UnderSecPD/status/2006000521979769130

    South Korea’s proposed amendment to its Network Act, ostensibly focused on redressing defamatory deepfakes, reaches much further — and endangers tech cooperation.

    So long as the US doesn't regulate other countries multinationals, then that would -at least- be consistent.

    However, I haven't seen any proposals to exempt Sony or Siemens from US laws. Presumably that's coming, right?
    The benefits of paying for the western world's security? Why be a superpower if you're not going to assert your authority onto your vassal states?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,410
    edited 7:50PM

    @rcs1000 your laudable new home cooked food picture rule is being rather scuppered by the new tiny picture standard

    I’m not cooking anything tonight, but last night’s dinner looked like a thimbleful

    I've updated the settings again.

    Photos should appear normal sized again.

    It appears a couple of posters have repeatedly broken the one photo per day rule.

    @Isam and @Malmesbury can you confirm you understand that you are only allowed to post one picture per day.

    The more photos on a thread the more Vanilla shrinks them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,483

    @rcs1000 your laudable new home cooked food picture rule is being rather scuppered by the new tiny picture standard

    I’m not cooking anything tonight, but last night’s dinner looked like a thimbleful

    I've updated the settings again.

    Photos should appear normal sized again.

    It appears a couple of posters have repeatedly broken the one photo per day rule.

    @Isam and @Malmesbury can you confirm you understand that you are only allowed to post one picture per day.

    The more photos on a thread the more Vanilla shrinks them.
    Are posters now allowed to make their profiles private as I’ve noticed a couple are ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,578

    carnforth said:

    Dominic Cummings: Britain's institutional collapse is down to the 'flight of elite talent'
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4uOF59GvaTw

    80 seconds of #ClassicDom.

    Is he leaving the country then?
    I would say he can see himself out, but perhaps he can't.
    From that clip - usual Dom. Right on the problem. No idea what his solution is, but it will be the wrong one, of course.
    I know what you mean, but I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the problem as well here.

    Dom's theory of government is to get a small number of enormous brains and lock them in a small room. Then pipe national-level data into that room, so these mega minds can decide what to do, and pipe those decisions out for the rest of us (hereafter called "minions") to act on.

    There are a bajillion ways that this model doesn't work, but it's attractive if you believe in the Great Man version of history.

    I'm reminded of the description of Manuel Fraga- a relatively open minister under Franco, incredibly reactionary in democratic Spain. He was so clever, they said, that the Spanish State could fit inside his head. Unfortunately, that limited his vision of the state to what could fit in his head, and democratic nations are bigger than that.
    He’s definitely right that the best and brightest don’t go into government - administrative or elective.

    The current system of obfuscation and obscuration of responsibility for everything is useless.
    Question is- does that matter?

    I'm not sure it does, at least not to the degree that Dom thinks. We don't want idiots in charge, sure. But I'm also pretty confident that our problems aren't the sort where the answers are going to come from clever people in a bunker.

    (If I had to guess, it's about reducing the length of chains of command and strengthening the sort of localism that Dom came to prominence for campaigning against.)
    I’d definitely agree with Swiss style localism - including taxation powers.

    The current system is designed to prevent anyone doing anything.

    Why be an administrative cog, when you have the brains and instincts to want to create change?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,410
    Taz said:

    @rcs1000 your laudable new home cooked food picture rule is being rather scuppered by the new tiny picture standard

    I’m not cooking anything tonight, but last night’s dinner looked like a thimbleful

    I've updated the settings again.

    Photos should appear normal sized again.

    It appears a couple of posters have repeatedly broken the one photo per day rule.

    @Isam and @Malmesbury can you confirm you understand that you are only allowed to post one picture per day.

    The more photos on a thread the more Vanilla shrinks them.
    Are posters now allowed to make their profiles private as I’ve noticed a couple are ?
    No.

    I'll change the settings back.

    When Vanilla does an update sometimes it changes the defaults.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,634

    @rcs1000 your laudable new home cooked food picture rule is being rather scuppered by the new tiny picture standard

    I’m not cooking anything tonight, but last night’s dinner looked like a thimbleful

    I've updated the settings again.

    Photos should appear normal sized again.

    It appears a couple of posters have repeatedly broken the one photo per day rule.

    @Isam and @Malmesbury can you confirm you understand that you are only allowed to post one picture per day.

    The more photos on a thread the more Vanilla shrinks them.
    I'm a bit sad about this, I've been having a good chuckle over the weeny pictures. Tiny dogs, nouvelle cuisine tiny meals, all manner of diddy things.

    :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,796
    edited 7:56PM

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,578
    rcs1000 said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    I believe the phrase you're looking for is 'hyperbole'.
    No, it isn’t.

    How about -

    “An exaggeration so vast it collapses language into a screaming singularity, stretches meaning past the heat-death of the universe, and forces metaphor itself to file a formal complaint for workplace stress—an overstatement so outrageously, catastrophically, immeasurably excessive that every exaggeration ever uttered bows before it, weeps openly, and admits it has been living a lie.”
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,617

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Being hailed by the Right for her contribution to racism rather than to film and popular culture. Bit sad really.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,634
    edited 7:58PM
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    I see no reason to plunge the party into a leadership crisis no matter what happens in May, especially with Jenrick or Cleverly as terrible options

    You may not but you are a Kemi loyalist. 65% of Tory MPs voted for Jenrick or Cleverly last year though not Kemi and if the Tories were 3rd on NEV next May a VONC in her leadership is very likely
    Do you think they will capitulate and pursue a Reform pact in that situation? It's hard to see how they could be more than second fiddle if they go cap in hand to Reform, albeit they don't have enough support anymore to outright fight Reform either.
    A Reform pact shouldn't be till after the election.

    Before that, it should be very careful thought about deployment of resources. There is no point in going hell for leather where your right-leaning opponent is way out ahead. It's what people who want 5 more years of Labour would do. Anyone who wants that needs to have a word with themselves.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,153
    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    carnforth said:

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Fascinating that Bardot's convictions for racism were barely mentioned in the news coverage of her death. I wonder if it would have been the same if she had died closer to the events?
    She was great for animal rights, less great on rights for Muslims and immigrants
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,109
    HYUFD said:

    carnforth said:

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Fascinating that Bardot's convictions for racism were barely mentioned in the news coverage of her death. I wonder if it would have been the same if she had died closer to the events?
    She was great for animal rights, less great on rights for Muslims and immigrants
    Thus proving that people who elevate animals over humans are wronguns.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,261
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-five-people-assaulted-with-weapon-at-a-hospital-13488722

    A man has been arrested after five people were assaulted with a weapon at a hospital.

    Merseyside Police say the incident began when a man attended Newton Community Hospital, in Newton-Le-Willows, on Tuesday afternoon and requested an appointment.

    "At this stage, it is believed that his request was declined, and when he was asked to leave, he became increasingly agitated and damaged a counter before assaulting several people inside the hospital, with a weapon - possibly a crowbar," a police spokesperson said.

    A 20-year-old man, who police say is originally from Afghanistan, has been arrested on suspicion of five counts of wounding with intent, affray and criminal damage.

    Apparently he went crazy a he was not happy waiting for an appointment. Not defending him but I must admit to feeling slightly vexed when I’m stuck in a slow queue.
    I had lunch yesterday with the executive director of a programme that helps special forces operatives reintegrate with society.

    She said her job was to teach them that the “old lady with ten coupons in front of them in the queue” doesn’t behave like other SFOs…
    A worthy cause but why is it left to a charity to do the work the Services should do. Admirable they have the time and resources to do it but …

    There seems to be a ‘they’re disposable’ attitude going on here.
    Perhaps not so much 'they're disposable' as 'they're no longer on the books so who cares?' - something I've got a sense of from some recent memoirs.

    I'm also reminded of the closures of the Services hospitals in recent decades. You'd think HMG would at least want to keep some of the specialist expertise (in, for instance, battle fatigue and PTSD) rather than simply assume the NHS would provide. As I understand it, there was some back pedalling, but not much.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    edited 8:07PM

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    To ensure she survives beyond May, Kemi needs to ensure the Conservatives are at least second on the UK NEV in the local and devolved elections and ahead of Labour even if Reform still win overall. That would plus Tory gains of a few Labour councils like Westminster and Barnet would secure her position and put the pressure on Starmer to avoid a leadership challenge.

    If however Labour beat the Conservatives on NEV then Sir Keir will likely survive and it will be Kemi facing a VONC with either Cleverly or Jenrick her likely replacement. Jenrick backing Tory MPs would certainly be sending in their letters to Bob Blackman like hyenas circling a wounded gazelle if the Tories fall to 3rd on NEV and councillors and councils won next May and lose MSPs and AMs too
    You repeat your last pararaph almost daily, but miss out that any such self inflicted hari kari would see the conservative party staring into the abyss

    Neither Jenrick or Cleverly will do any better than Badenoch
    If the Tories fell to 3rd in the NEV next May behind both Reform and Labour they would already be staring into the abyss anyway. So many Tory MPs would feel they had to gamble on Jenrick, to try and win back Reform voters or Cleverly, to try and get Labour or LD tactical votes to beat Reform if Kemi showed herself unable to do either
    I simply do not agree with you



    Well let us hope Kemi ensures the Tories are at least second on NEV next May and secures her position
    Secure, even if they achieve 2nd on under 20% of the NEV?
    Yes as they would still be the main alternative to Reform then and it would be Labour in 3rd and Starmer facing a leadership challenge then not Kemi
    What if it's Reform first, Greens second, Tories third, Labour fourth?
    I think LibDems second is more likely.
    To back this up, the LibDems are second on vote share in council by elections since last May
    With that said... in quite a few European countries, the Greens have ended up the de facto party of the Left. And in almost all (France being the obvious exception) they outpoll the local equivalent of the LibDems.

    So, I don't think it's impossible that a charasmatic leader like Polanski could lead the Greens to second place behind Reform. Heck, it's not impossible that if the Conservative/Reform split were to end up almost equal, and the Labour Party were to continue to shed votes, that they could end up leading the polls.
    Possible, yes but their performance in by elections doesn't point to it.

    I reckon the order will be:

    Reform
    LibDems
    Conservatives
    Labour
    Green
    Your Party and their fellow travellers
    Given the seats up next year, at Holyrood, the Senedd and in local councils in London and the big cities but not most English counties or districts or unitaries I would expect Labour to beat the LDs and maybe even the Tories too on the night. However the Greens could run Labour close GB wide and Reform's lead may be smaller than national polls suggest. Indeed it is not impossible Labour or the Greens win most English council seats on the night and beat Reform in Scotland too once both list and constituency votes are tallied, and while Reform if they have a great night in Wales could beat Plaid they could still not win on the night and it needs the political Profs to do their NEV calculation for Farage to claim the win
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    edited 8:09PM
    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    carnforth said:

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Fascinating that Bardot's convictions for racism were barely mentioned in the news coverage of her death. I wonder if it would have been the same if she had died closer to the events?
    She was great for animal rights, less great on rights for Muslims and immigrants
    Thus proving that people who elevate animals over humans are wronguns.
    Hitler was also of a similar type, yes, one of history's most famous vegetarians
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,070
    HYUFD said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    carnforth said:

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Fascinating that Bardot's convictions for racism were barely mentioned in the news coverage of her death. I wonder if it would have been the same if she had died closer to the events?
    She was great for animal rights, less great on rights for Muslims and immigrants
    Thus proving that people who elevate animals over humans are wronguns.
    Hitler was also of a similar type, yes, one of history's most famous vegetarians
    It's that age old question. Who was the greatest threat to humanity and the World order; Adolf Hitler or Brigitte Bardot?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,634
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    A long post from Zia Yusuf about Alicia Kearns. I wonder if the first casualties of the Alaa Abd El-Fattah affair could be members of the Tory party.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2005974367428309254

    Kearns is a far left campaigner - indistinguishable from Polanski on policy - and sits at the heart of Kemi Badenoch’s team as Shadow Minister for National Security:

    Kemi wants her to be the UK’s Minister for National Security.

    Do you?

    Alicia Kearns is a One Nation Tory, if Reform are going to call even One Nation Tories 'far left' how do they expect to win centrist swing voters at the next GE?
    She’s also excercise extremely poor judgement over this British/Egyptian guy but, unlike most others who did, has come out on the attack over it and I don’t think it’s doing her any favours.
    These people are not 'One Nation' Tories. Disraeli would do somersaults in his grave if he knew that a group that believed in handing sovereignty to an organisation of continental bureaucrats, or undermining British industry by piling costs on energy, or importing people who hate Britain, had labelled themselves using his words. Disraeli spoke of 'two nations - the rich and the poor'. There is nothing more regressive and more guaranteed to take money out of poor peoples' pockets and give it to rich people than high energy costs, as we must all use it, and there is no 'cheaper' alternative. They are two nation Conservatives.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,617
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    This Labour government thinks that western society deserves to die? That's alt-right loonytunes stuff. What's happening?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,796
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    No, really.

    El-Fattah is just another rabble rouser - a lot like Yusuf.

    Our democracy is well able to cope with such characters. Within the existing system.

    What is far more of a risk is authoritarians taking on themselves the power to strip citizenship from those they don't like.
    They should not have such powers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,766
    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    More calm analysis in the Telegraph:

    "Against this backdrop, thoughtful dissenters will consider whether an early election could be forced by via some kind of general strike blended with a dose of fuel and port blockades."

    Britain is dangerously radicalised. Time is short to turn things round
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/29/britain-dangerously-radicalised-time-short-turn-round/

    Little dig at the Telegraph there. Sure the article can’t be irrational and is well reasoned.

    Clicks on article

    Sees it’s Isobel Oakshott.

    Clicks off promptly.
    Reform know their only chance is to get an early election - within the next 12-18 months - while it is still Labour vs Not Labour and they can look an attractive and viable alternative to the current Government.

    After that, it becomes more problematic as one of a number of things might happen (and I stress these are neither in order of likelihood nor desirability).

    Labour gets its act together and economy starts improving
    The Conservative messaging on the economy in particular starts to resonate
    Reform's own internal contradictions start tearing it apart
    1 won’t happen. Labours goose is cooked and any replacement for SKS and Reeves will be economically worse.

    2 has started already. The Tories would be insane to get rid of her in my view.

    3 given his track record I’d say there’s a strong chance of that but if it doesn’t happen then it’s game on.
    We're a long way off an election and it's wishful thinking to imagine Labour can't or won't recover. In any case, IF economic perceptions change and people start to "feel" better (even if the truth is otherwise) that will lead a rebound in Labour polling numbers.

    As for Badenoch, I've said on here a number of times she has had a good autumn but it's probable the May local elections will be painful and that will be the point of challenge. Don't underestimate the ability of people to do silly things and if 60 Conservative MPs see their seats going to Reform, that might be enough for a successful challenge.

    As for Reform, the prospect of victory does wonders for party unity (look at how little trouble the "left" gave Blair after he became leader and started looking popular) so as long as they look the next Government internal dissent will be silenced but as soon as it starts becoming clear they won't win - let's say a winnable by-election isn't won - the knives will be out.

    The window of opportunity for Reform isn't going to be open for ever but they are in no position to force an election and encouraging what amounts to civil insurrection to get one is ludicrous. The only way there would be an election is if Labour MPs wanted one and on most polling numbers most won't.
    There is a more appropriate word than ludicrous for "encouraging a civil insurrection".
    People who claim to want to protect British values want to encourage a MAGA-inspired and entirely unBritish coup.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,796
    edited 8:21PM
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    Nonsense.

    You just want to unmake our constitution.

    As the arse you admire is trying to do in the US.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,974

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    A long post from Zia Yusuf about Alicia Kearns. I wonder if the first casualties of the Alaa Abd El-Fattah affair could be members of the Tory party.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2005974367428309254

    Kearns is a far left campaigner - indistinguishable from Polanski on policy - and sits at the heart of Kemi Badenoch’s team as Shadow Minister for National Security:

    Kemi wants her to be the UK’s Minister for National Security.

    Do you?

    Alicia Kearns is a One Nation Tory, if Reform are going to call even One Nation Tories 'far left' how do they expect to win centrist swing voters at the next GE?
    She’s also excercise extremely poor judgement over this British/Egyptian guy but, unlike most others who did, has come out on the attack over it and I don’t think it’s doing her any favours.
    These people are not 'One Nation' Tories. Disraeli would do somersaults in his grave if he knew that a group that believed in handing sovereignty to an organisation of continental bureaucrats, or undermining British industry by piling costs on energy, or importing people who hate Britain, had labelled themselves using his words. Disraeli spoke of 'two nations - the rich and the poor'. There is nothing more regressive and more guaranteed to take money out of poor peoples' pockets and give it to rich people than high energy costs, as we must all use it, and there is no 'cheaper' alternative. They are two nation Conservatives.
    On the subject of Disraeli I remember studying that period of political history at school and it was weird how there were two very committed camps - the Disraelites and the Gladstonians. I was a Disraelite personally - might have been influenced by Disraeli’s brothers having been at my school and Gladstone having been educated at the young flash interloper school.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,070
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    This Labour government thinks that western society deserves to die? That's alt-right loonytunes stuff. What's happening?
    I am not sure Starmer being personally responsible for the genocide of 70,000 Gazans to protect the status quo of Israel correspondents with "this Labour government thinks that western society deserves to die". I am not sure they can be guilty of both.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,796

    Nigelb said:

    The Tory Shadow Attorney General is also now Abramovich’s legal counsel - apparently working to protect his assets from efforts to recover them for Ukraine.

    Barristers should not be judged by the character of their clients. But his political position is clearly untenable.

    https://x.com/JakeBenRichards/status/2005616406214381611

    What does PB think ?

    I think you are correct. And right, which has a somewhat different meaning.

    I don"t think a barrister should be judged for representing a criminal as our whole justice system is based on the principle of defendents having access to good representation. But Abramovich can easily pay for the best legal representation and it seems seriously stupid for a politician to put themselves on the wrong side of a moral issue like this.
    As ever, while we might disagree on the particulars, we tend to agree on the fundamentals.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,211
    HYUFD said:

    carnforth said:

    Marine le Pen to attend Bardot’s funeral:

    https://x.com/mlp_officiel/status/2006081975069917449

    Fascinating that Bardot's convictions for racism were barely mentioned in the news coverage of her death. I wonder if it would have been the same if she had died closer to the events?
    She was great for animal rights, less great on rights for Muslims and immigrants
    She once described her son, publicly, as a “cancerous tumor.”

    Surprisingly, they were not on good terms.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,211

    Nigelb said:

    The Tory Shadow Attorney General is also now Abramovich’s legal counsel - apparently working to protect his assets from efforts to recover them for Ukraine.

    Barristers should not be judged by the character of their clients. But his political position is clearly untenable.

    https://x.com/JakeBenRichards/status/2005616406214381611

    What does PB think ?

    I think you are correct. And right, which has a somewhat different meaning.

    I don"t think a barrister should be judged for representing a criminal as our whole justice system is based on the principle of defendents having access to good representation. But Abramovich can easily pay for the best legal representation and it seems seriously stupid for a politician to put themselves on the wrong side of a moral issue like this.
    It’s an obvious conflict of interest, something which a barrister ought to understand.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,974

    Nigelb said:

    The Tory Shadow Attorney General is also now Abramovich’s legal counsel - apparently working to protect his assets from efforts to recover them for Ukraine.

    Barristers should not be judged by the character of their clients. But his political position is clearly untenable.

    https://x.com/JakeBenRichards/status/2005616406214381611

    What does PB think ?

    I think you are correct. And right, which has a somewhat different meaning.

    I don"t think a barrister should be judged for representing a criminal as our whole justice system is based on the principle of defendents having access to good representation. But Abramovich can easily pay for the best legal representation and it seems seriously stupid for a politician to put themselves on the wrong side of a moral issue like this.
    It’s more tragic that it’s taken Jersey to investigate him for money laundering when he was super high profile and resident in the UK for so long and they did nothing.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,766

    Battlebus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Asylum seekers should be required to wear electronic tags so their movements can be tracked, a policing chief has proposed.

    Katy Bourne, Sussex’s police and crime commissioner (PCC), said the move would act as a deterrent to any potential criminal activity. It could also give migrants “greater freedom” to travel further from holding centres and help them get temporary jobs."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/30/asylum-seekers-should-be-tagged-says-policing-chief/

    She’s was also on the board of Roedean/St Trinians. Perhaps this is a proof of concept for the Education sector
    Shirley, explosive collars would be more administratively efficient?

    So you could reduce immigrant headcounts meet government targets…
    I think we need a more low tech version. What about just making asylum seekers wear something, like maybe a yellow star or a pink triangle?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,556
    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-five-people-assaulted-with-weapon-at-a-hospital-13488722

    A man has been arrested after five people were assaulted with a weapon at a hospital.

    Merseyside Police say the incident began when a man attended Newton Community Hospital, in Newton-Le-Willows, on Tuesday afternoon and requested an appointment.

    "At this stage, it is believed that his request was declined, and when he was asked to leave, he became increasingly agitated and damaged a counter before assaulting several people inside the hospital, with a weapon - possibly a crowbar," a police spokesperson said.

    A 20-year-old man, who police say is originally from Afghanistan, has been arrested on suspicion of five counts of wounding with intent, affray and criminal damage.

    Apparently he went crazy a he was not happy waiting for an appointment. Not defending him but I must admit to feeling slightly vexed when I’m stuck in a slow queue.
    I had lunch yesterday with the executive director of a programme that helps special forces operatives reintegrate with society.

    She said her job was to teach them that the “old lady with ten coupons in front of them in the queue” doesn’t behave like other SFOs…
    A worthy cause but why is it left to a charity to do the work the Services should do. Admirable they have the time and resources to do it but …

    There seems to be a ‘they’re disposable’ attitude going on here.
    Perhaps not so much 'they're disposable' as 'they're no longer on the books so who cares?' - something I've got a sense of from some recent memoirs.

    I'm also reminded of the closures of the Services hospitals in recent decades. You'd think HMG would at least want to keep some of the specialist expertise (in, for instance, battle fatigue and PTSD) rather than simply assume the NHS would provide. As I understand it, there was some back pedalling, but not much.
    The services hospitals were not viable due to their small size, but there are specific military wards (cross services) in NHS hospitals, and also for armed forces consultants employed at NHS hospitals with specific responsibilities. There are several RAF consultants in Lincoln for example.

    The forces medical services show very little interest in vetrans after discharge as I am sure @Dura_Ace can testify.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,070
    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Tory Shadow Attorney General is also now Abramovich’s legal counsel - apparently working to protect his assets from efforts to recover them for Ukraine.

    Barristers should not be judged by the character of their clients. But his political position is clearly untenable.

    https://x.com/JakeBenRichards/status/2005616406214381611

    What does PB think ?

    I think you are correct. And right, which has a somewhat different meaning.

    I don"t think a barrister should be judged for representing a criminal as our whole justice system is based on the principle of defendents having access to good representation. But Abramovich can easily pay for the best legal representation and it seems seriously stupid for a politician to put themselves on the wrong side of a moral issue like this.
    It’s an obvious conflict of interest, something which a barrister ought to understand.
    I am not sure it is.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,556
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    Or more accurately they have supported the rule of law and the right to free expression.

    Sure, these are under threat in some Western civilised countries, but there is little point in having these if they are just applied when convenient for governments.

    The guy seems a bit of an arsehole to me, but arseholes have rights too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,728
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    I think it’s a bit excessive to call him a terrorist sympathiser.

    And Labour haven’t offered him that much sympathy, which is hardly surprising given his position.

    Oh, sorry, you didn’t mean Yusuf?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,556
    FF43 said:

    My picture of the day


    Is it soft, strong and very long?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,728
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    My picture of the day


    Is it soft, strong and very long?
    It’s still ridiculously overpriced.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,153
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    No, really.

    El-Fattah is just another rabble rouser - a lot like Yusuf.

    Our democracy is well able to cope with such characters. Within the existing system.

    What is far more of a risk is authoritarians taking on themselves the power to strip citizenship from those they don't like.
    They should not have such powers.
    The power to do it already exists and has been used multiple times. It's a failing of the Labour party that they seem unable to face down the Islamists in their party and voters to tell this guy to get fucked and deport him back to Egypt where he belongs. That's the realpolitik here, nothing to do with some mythical authoritarians or setting precedents given that the laws already exist and have already been used. Labour are making fools of you "centrist dads" but you're too up your own arses to realise. You've become their useful idiots so scared of the big bad far right that you'll go along with anything they do regardless of how poor the decision is.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,556

    Battlebus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Asylum seekers should be required to wear electronic tags so their movements can be tracked, a policing chief has proposed.

    Katy Bourne, Sussex’s police and crime commissioner (PCC), said the move would act as a deterrent to any potential criminal activity. It could also give migrants “greater freedom” to travel further from holding centres and help them get temporary jobs."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/30/asylum-seekers-should-be-tagged-says-policing-chief/

    She’s was also on the board of Roedean/St Trinians. Perhaps this is a proof of concept for the Education sector
    Shirley, explosive collars would be more administratively efficient?

    So you could reduce immigrant headcounts meet government targets…
    I think we need a more low tech version. What about just making asylum seekers wear something, like maybe a yellow star or a pink triangle?
    Surely a Green crescent for them and their descendants?

    Increasingly that is what the Right wing Populists are demanding:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/29/number-people-britons-must-be-born-in-uk-rising-study?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,093

    Nigelb said:

    The Tory Shadow Attorney General is also now Abramovich’s legal counsel - apparently working to protect his assets from efforts to recover them for Ukraine.

    Barristers should not be judged by the character of their clients. But his political position is clearly untenable.

    https://x.com/JakeBenRichards/status/2005616406214381611

    What does PB think ?

    I think you are correct. And right, which has a somewhat different meaning.

    I don"t think a barrister should be judged for representing a criminal as our whole justice system is based on the principle of defendents having access to good representation. But Abramovich can easily pay for the best legal representation and it seems seriously stupid for a politician to put themselves on the wrong side of a moral issue like this.
    It should matter- Lord Wolfson is supposedly an active politician and Abramovitch is considered an unfriendly foreigner (I think I'm OK in saying that). More so than that Egyptian bloke we're all meant to be getting our knickers in a twist about. The recency means that it ought to be a bigger issue than any undesirables that Starmer or Hermer represented before they entered frontline politics.

    It probably won't matter. In part, because nobody really thinks that Wolfson will actually be in power, ever (do they?). But also because there is a huge double standard in the media.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,070
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    My picture of the day


    Is it soft, strong and very long?
    Cheaper than Andrex, but far less absorbing (absorbent) and already full of shite.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,093
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Strong words from Yusuf:

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2006073124027261254

    The el-Fattah saga proves whether it’s Tories or Labour in government, they’ll fight harder for a man who wants to exterminate the British people than for the British people themselves.

    That’s why we won’t do pacts.

    The next few years are crucial.

    It’s Reform or bust.

    Utter shite from Yusuf.
    Not really. Labour have repeatedly proven they value this terrorist sympathiser more than law abiding citizens by refusing to revoke his citizenship. They could draw a line in the sand today and embarrass the Tories but they fundamentally agree with his views at some lev that western society deserves to die.
    Or more accurately they have supported the rule of law and the right to free expression.

    Sure, these are under threat in some Western civilised countries, but there is little point in having these if they are just applied when convenient for governments.

    The guy seems a bit of an arsehole to me, but arseholes have rights too.
    And if we unpersoned all arseholes, let alone anyone accused of being an arsehole, who would be left?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,417
    edited 8:44PM
    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    A long post from Zia Yusuf about Alicia Kearns. I wonder if the first casualties of the Alaa Abd El-Fattah affair could be members of the Tory party.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2005974367428309254

    Kearns is a far left campaigner - indistinguishable from Polanski on policy - and sits at the heart of Kemi Badenoch’s team as Shadow Minister for National Security:

    Kemi wants her to be the UK’s Minister for National Security.

    Do you?

    Alicia Kearns is a One Nation Tory, if Reform are going to call even One Nation Tories 'far left' how do they expect to win centrist swing voters at the next GE?
    She’s also excercise extremely poor judgement over this British/Egyptian guy but, unlike most others who did, has come out on the attack over it and I don’t think it’s doing her any favours.
    These people are not 'One Nation' Tories. Disraeli would do somersaults in his grave if he knew that a group that believed in handing sovereignty to an organisation of continental bureaucrats, or undermining British industry by piling costs on energy, or importing people who hate Britain, had labelled themselves using his words. Disraeli spoke of 'two nations - the rich and the poor'. There is nothing more regressive and more guaranteed to take money out of poor peoples' pockets and give it to rich people than high energy costs, as we must all use it, and there is no 'cheaper' alternative. They are two nation Conservatives.
    On the subject of Disraeli I remember studying that period of political history at school and it was weird how there were two very committed camps - the Disraelites and the Gladstonians. I was a Disraelite personally - might have been influenced by Disraeli’s brothers having been at my school and Gladstone having been educated at the young flash interloper school.
    Had we ended up with a Portillo v Brown election in 2005 we could have effectively had a Disraeli v Gladstone rerun
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 422
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-five-people-assaulted-with-weapon-at-a-hospital-13488722

    A man has been arrested after five people were assaulted with a weapon at a hospital.

    Merseyside Police say the incident began when a man attended Newton Community Hospital, in Newton-Le-Willows, on Tuesday afternoon and requested an appointment.

    "At this stage, it is believed that his request was declined, and when he was asked to leave, he became increasingly agitated and damaged a counter before assaulting several people inside the hospital, with a weapon - possibly a crowbar," a police spokesperson said.

    A 20-year-old man, who police say is originally from Afghanistan, has been arrested on suspicion of five counts of wounding with intent, affray and criminal damage.

    Apparently he went crazy a he was not happy waiting for an appointment. Not defending him but I must admit to feeling slightly vexed when I’m stuck in a slow queue.
    I had lunch yesterday with the executive director of a programme that helps special forces operatives reintegrate with society.

    She said her job was to teach them that the “old lady with ten coupons in front of them in the queue” doesn’t behave like other SFOs…
    A worthy cause but why is it left to a charity to do the work the Services should do. Admirable they have the time and resources to do it but …

    There seems to be a ‘they’re disposable’ attitude going on here.
    The little old ladies are not disposable!
    They are the bedrock of decency in this country.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 47,261
    edited 8:51PM
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-after-five-people-assaulted-with-weapon-at-a-hospital-13488722

    A man has been arrested after five people were assaulted with a weapon at a hospital.

    Merseyside Police say the incident began when a man attended Newton Community Hospital, in Newton-Le-Willows, on Tuesday afternoon and requested an appointment.

    "At this stage, it is believed that his request was declined, and when he was asked to leave, he became increasingly agitated and damaged a counter before assaulting several people inside the hospital, with a weapon - possibly a crowbar," a police spokesperson said.

    A 20-year-old man, who police say is originally from Afghanistan, has been arrested on suspicion of five counts of wounding with intent, affray and criminal damage.

    Apparently he went crazy a he was not happy waiting for an appointment. Not defending him but I must admit to feeling slightly vexed when I’m stuck in a slow queue.
    I had lunch yesterday with the executive director of a programme that helps special forces operatives reintegrate with society.

    She said her job was to teach them that the “old lady with ten coupons in front of them in the queue” doesn’t behave like other SFOs…
    A worthy cause but why is it left to a charity to do the work the Services should do. Admirable they have the time and resources to do it but …

    There seems to be a ‘they’re disposable’ attitude going on here.
    Perhaps not so much 'they're disposable' as 'they're no longer on the books so who cares?' - something I've got a sense of from some recent memoirs.

    I'm also reminded of the closures of the Services hospitals in recent decades. You'd think HMG would at least want to keep some of the specialist expertise (in, for instance, battle fatigue and PTSD) rather than simply assume the NHS would provide. As I understand it, there was some back pedalling, but not much.
    The services hospitals were not viable due to their small size, but there are specific military wards (cross services) in NHS hospitals, and also for armed forces consultants employed at NHS hospitals with specific responsibilities. There are several RAF consultants in Lincoln for example.

    The forces medical services show very little interest in vetrans after discharge as I am sure @Dura_Ace can testify.
    Thanks, that would indeed be consistent with the accounts I have read.

    Edit: presumably the reduction of the services played a part in commensurate reductions in hospital sizes. But given that, there's not much one can do about the implications.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,093
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    A long post from Zia Yusuf about Alicia Kearns. I wonder if the first casualties of the Alaa Abd El-Fattah affair could be members of the Tory party.

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2005974367428309254

    Kearns is a far left campaigner - indistinguishable from Polanski on policy - and sits at the heart of Kemi Badenoch’s team as Shadow Minister for National Security:

    Kemi wants her to be the UK’s Minister for National Security.

    Do you?

    Alicia Kearns is a One Nation Tory, if Reform are going to call even One Nation Tories 'far left' how do they expect to win centrist swing voters at the next GE?
    She’s also excercise extremely poor judgement over this British/Egyptian guy but, unlike most others who did, has come out on the attack over it and I don’t think it’s doing her any favours.
    These people are not 'One Nation' Tories. Disraeli would do somersaults in his grave if he knew that a group that believed in handing sovereignty to an organisation of continental bureaucrats, or undermining British industry by piling costs on energy, or importing people who hate Britain, had labelled themselves using his words. Disraeli spoke of 'two nations - the rich and the poor'. There is nothing more regressive and more guaranteed to take money out of poor peoples' pockets and give it to rich people than high energy costs, as we must all use it, and there is no 'cheaper' alternative. They are two nation Conservatives.
    On the subject of Disraeli I remember studying that period of political history at school and it was weird how there were two very committed camps - the Disraelites and the Gladstonians. I was a Disraelite personally - might have been influenced by Disraeli’s brothers having been at my school and Gladstone having been educated at the young flash interloper school.
    Had we ended up with a Portillo v Brown election in 2005 we could have effectively had a Disraeli v Gladstone rerun
    Talking of Mikey P, have we discussed this?

    According to documents released by the National Archives, former Treasury Chief Secretary Michael Portillo argued forcefully in 1991 that the project, then known as Crossrail, was a “mistake” that would “never” be built. He warned Prime Minister John Major that the scheme was excessively costly and its benefits wildly overstated, urging its immediate cancellation. This revelation offers a fascinating glimpse into a critical moment of decision-making, pitting short-term fiscal prudence against long-term, nation-building investment.

    https://fintechpulse.co.uk/2025/12/30/the-19-billion-railway-that-almost-never-was-a-masterclass-in-financial-foresight-and-fiscal-myopia/

    (Full story in FT)
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