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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,180
    Well who would have thought the SNP would be involved in its own Watergate style scandal
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,310
    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,732
    HYUFD said:

    Well who would have thought the SNP would be involved in its own Watergate style scandal

    After the Watergate-level 'minibus-gate' - anything's possible.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,577

    ohnotnow said:

    trukat said:

    ohnotnow said:

    kinabalu said:

    scampi25 said:

    It's very amusing to here all the advise for the Tories from non-tories. Anyone would think the panic about Reform was growing. Yet only the other day some were posting that Reform had peaked. Indeed I doubt they can get much beyond 33/5% and probably less. However, it's also quite possibly true tha the Labour bottom is not yet there. All very funny.

    You do always get that. Eg Reform/Tory supporters say Labour have to do Reform/Tory things to save themselves. Ultra Conservatives say the Dems must ditch the social justice agenda if they are ever to regain the WH. And (tbf and to show what an objective cove I am) people like me say if they have any sense the Cons should tack back to One Nation moderation.
    I always find the World is a happier place when run by Centrists either to the centre left (my preference) or the centre right, which is why I would always recommend centrism over fascism, be that Russian fascism, Trump fascism or schoolboy anti-Semitic, racist fascism.
    To quote one of my favourite Youtube cookery channels "Nothing bad ever happened on medium".
    Except the restriction of jury trials? digital id? weakening the right to silence? Labour are authoritarian to their core.
    Another joke, shot down by the literal minded.
    The world being happier when ruled by centrists is a classic case of correlation not equalling causation. Centrists are elected when countries are wealthy (and therefore happy) - they do not create the wealth. The right does that. The right is elected when centrists have buggered it up, as happens invariably.

    When our country had recovered (partially) from post-war stagnation - under a radical Tory Government, we were rich, and elected a succession of mushy centralists because there was no perceived need for anything other than to be 'nice' and 'progressive'. Now that such people have wrecked the economy and the country, we need to elect non-centrists again.

    It's like blaming firemen for fires.
    Sources please. Evidence please. Perhaps take a comparative look at the countries topping the global power rankings in the 19th century, or the GDP scores in the 20th, or the human development index since the war, and provide a compelling cause-effect mechanism whereby right wing nut jobs have created all the success. Then take a look at the alternatives: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, Franco, Castro, Putin, and see how they fared.

    You have one exception on your side. Lee Kwan Yew. But economically, he ruled as a centrist.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,458
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79727zeqyvo

    I presume at least one off them is accused of this, but maybe not.

    These are the seven current PA hungerstrikers. They don't appear to be the same people named in that BBC report.

    https://prisonersforpalestine.org/

    Of course as there has not yet been a trial there is a presumption of innocence and allegation of assault with a sledgehammer untested in court. The defendants have stated they were using the sledgehammer to stop arms being manufactured for export to Israel and the police officer was accidentally injured by attempting to seize it. Lets see what evidence gets produced in court.
    Not their business to "stop arms being manufactured for export to Israel" though, is it? We have democratic processes for that.
    I don't recall ever being asked in a vote whether we should export arms to the IDF, and I expect that if there was such a vote it wouldn't go Starmer's way.

    Meanwhile we have political prisoners on remand, denied access to their lawyers and MPs on hungerstrike.

    There's quite a long tradition of such hunger strikes going back to the Suffragettes at least.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,458
    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

  • sladeslade Posts: 2,310
    Ref gain in Blackpool.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,577
    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    Interesting. That has the feel of an unpopular outgoing councillor to me.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,640
    X
    Conor Matchett@conor_matchett
    EXCLUSIVE: Three female SNP MSPs 'bugged' by male aides in 'covered up' SPYING scandal

    Scottish Sun - https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15705778/female-snp-msps-bugged-male-aides-spying-scandal/

  • isamisam Posts: 43,240
    TNT commentator just mistook black, right handed batsman Jofra Archer for ginger, white, left handed batsman Ben Stokes. Pretty poor
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,310
    Ref hold in Cornwall. Lab got 9 votes!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,292
    slade said:

    Ref hold in Cornwall. Lab got 9 votes!

    Generous of the Cornish there.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79727zeqyvo

    I presume at least one off them is accused of this, but maybe not.

    These are the seven current PA hungerstrikers. They don't appear to be the same people named in that BBC report.

    https://prisonersforpalestine.org/

    Of course as there has not yet been a trial there is a presumption of innocence and allegation of assault with a sledgehammer untested in court. The defendants have stated they were using the sledgehammer to stop arms being manufactured for export to Israel and the police officer was accidentally injured by attempting to seize it. Lets see what evidence gets produced in court.
    Not their business to "stop arms being manufactured for export to Israel" though, is it? We have democratic processes for that.
    I don't recall ever being asked in a vote whether we should export arms to the IDF, and I expect that if there was such a vote it wouldn't go Starmer's way.

    Meanwhile we have political prisoners on remand, denied access to their lawyers and MPs on hungerstrike.

    There's quite a long tradition of such hunger strikes going back to the Suffragettes at least.
    Is this "denied access to their lawyers" true? (Serious question.)

    Their lawyers seem to have enough access to their clients to be able to represent them to the media, the public and the goivernment.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,180
    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    The Conservatives still gained the seat, not the Greens
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,180
    Only if local councils request another delay to complete reorganisation to unitaries
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,192
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    The Conservatives still gained the seat, not the Greens
    And there’s signs of the fabled LD to reform swing as well
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161
    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    The changes against earlier in 2025 show a different picture

    Market Harborough Logan (Harborough) Council By-Election Result:

    🌳 CON: 34.7% (+3.3)
    🌍 GRN: 26.9% (+4.8)
    🔶 LDM: 20.2% (-7.0)
    ➡️ RFM: 14.7% (+0.1)
    🌹 LAB: 3.2% (-0.1)
    🔴 SDP: 0.3% (New)

    No Ind (-0.7) or COM (-0.7) as previous.

    Conservative GAIN from Liberal Democrat.
    Changes w/ 2025
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,530
    Surprised the Aussies haven’t declared yet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,530
    England’s Head drop as match slips away.

    (Although truthfully it slipped away with yet another dozy batting performance in the first innings.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,324
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. F (FPT), ah, I knew Basil died in 1025 but didn't realise it was the thousand year anniversary. Such a shame things turned to ash so quickly afterwards.

    Peter Frankopan's book on the First Crusade was very enlightening. Endemic warfare, then Alexios finally getting a grip but entrusting most of Anatolia to non-Romans (ie Turks) which then led to a rather obvious strategic calamity. Certainly lowered Alexios in my opinion, although the internal conflict was severe.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,192

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    The Conservatives still gained the seat, not the Greens
    And there’s signs of the fabled LD to reform swing as well
    Why on earth did someone flag this?!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,530
    Tongue now trying to get Head.

    But it’s not happening.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913
    "Con GAIN from Lib Dem" - a rare outing, or a straw on the wind?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,913

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    The Conservatives still gained the seat, not the Greens
    And there’s signs of the fabled LD to reform swing as well
    Why on earth did someone flag this?!
    Touched a nerve!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,530
    If Will Jacks was the answer, what on earth was the question? Jack Leach would have been a far better option.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,150
    Eabhal said:

    Have we done this? I've been busy today.


    Pippa Crerar

    @PippaCrerar

    🚨Keir Starmer's No 10 is cancelling the afternoon lobby briefing, when journalists can ask the PM's spox as many questions they like, for as long as they like.

    They'll also sometimes cancel morning lobby, replacing it with press conferences with ministers, meaning many orgs will have opportunity for questions restricted.

    The lobby may be an imperfect system, but these briefings give journalists from every outlet, regardless of editorial line, the chance to ask whatever they want.

    This move is bad for transparency, bad for accountability, and a bad look for a government that already struggles with its communications.

    I don't think Labour necessarily have an issue with the volume of communications to be fair.

    Perhaps stripping a lot of this briefing out is helpful. It can't get much worse, right? Right?
    24/7 rolling news is a media problem, not a government one. Why anyone wants continued updates on the glacial progress of some governments is odd.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,161

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    slade said:

    Con gain in Harborough, LD hold in South Ribble.

    Big LD to Green swing in Harborough. Who says Polanski doesn't appeal in Shire England?

    Harborough DC - Logan Ward

    Con: 461, 34.7% (+5.8)
    Grn: 358, 26.9% (+18.8)
    LD: 268, 20.2% (-29.6%)
    Ref: 195, 14.7% (new)
    Lab: 43, 3.2% (-9.9)
    SDP: 4, 0.3% (New)

    Changes w/ 2023

    Con GAIN from Lib Dem

    The Conservatives still gained the seat, not the Greens
    And there’s signs of the fabled LD to reform swing as well
    Why on earth did someone flag this?!
    Lib Dem’s can be so fragile.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,453
    Ashes of Ollie Pope's England career I think.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,453
    Two centuries for Jacks.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,596

    "Con GAIN from Lib Dem" - a rare outing, or a straw on the wind?

    I believe there was a by-election there in the summer, which the Tories also won, and the sitting councillor had fallen out with the LibDems and was an independent when they resigned. So this one does look like local circumstances
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,671
    edited December 19

    Roger said:

    MikeL said:

    Latest odds:

    Rory 1.25
    Lando 8
    Chloe 15

    But only two golfers have ever won SPOTY - Dai Rees (in 1957) and Nick Faldo. So only one in the last 67 years.

    I hope Rory wins but fear he won't.

    It's got to be ex Millfield schoolboy Lando Norris! You heard it here first!!
    He’s not there. Maybe a bit of a disadvantage.

    Roger said:

    MikeL said:

    Latest odds:

    Rory 1.25
    Lando 8
    Chloe 15

    But only two golfers have ever won SPOTY - Dai Rees (in 1957) and Nick Faldo. So only one in the last 67 years.

    I hope Rory wins but fear he won't.

    It's got to be ex Millfield schoolboy Lando Norris! You heard it here first!!
    He’s not there. Maybe a bit of a disadvantage.
    Well one thing the school can take credit for was you were taught to lose with good grace.

    ............Ideally not to lose but if the worst was to happen........

  • ydoethur said:

    England’s Head drop as match slips away.

    (Although truthfully it slipped away with yet another dozy batting performance in the first innings.)

    Wasn't that bad, Doc. The basic problem is that they are not good enough, and it's difficult to do much about that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,530
    Pulpstar said:

    Two centuries for Jacks.

    Shame that wickets wise he was more or less Jack shit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,530

    ydoethur said:

    England’s Head drop as match slips away.

    (Although truthfully it slipped away with yet another dozy batting performance in the first innings.)

    Wasn't that bad, Doc. The basic problem is that they are not good enough, and it's difficult to do much about that.
    Other than pick better players, of course.
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  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    England’s Head drop as match slips away.

    (Although truthfully it slipped away with yet another dozy batting performance in the first innings.)

    Wasn't that bad, Doc. The basic problem is that they are not good enough, and it's difficult to do much about that.
    Other than pick better players, of course.
    Assuming we have some, how would we know? Nobody plays red ball cricket these days.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,314
    IanB2 said:

    Breaking - having said, when it postponed the new mayoral elections, that council elections in those areas would still be going ahead in May, the government has now asked all councils in areas affected by local government re-organisation whether this decision should be revisited, and elections postponed after all.

    So it's down to the Councils themselves to set the agenda, again !
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