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I beg your pardons – politicalbetting.com

NEW Economist/YouGov Dec 5-8: Presidential pardons% who think President Trump gives out too many | too few pardonsU.S. adult citizens 58% | 4%Democrats 88% | 2%Independents 61% | 2%Republicans 23% | 7%today.yougov.com/politics/art…

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    First again!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332

    First again!

    So ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    Nigelb said:

    First again!

    So ?
    So nothing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    I'm not sure the header tells us anything surprising tbh.

    Presumably if the Democrats ever win the presidency again the numbers in favour of presidential pardons will flip.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332
    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332

    Nigelb said:

    First again!

    So ?
    So nothing.
    I was reading too much into your '!'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332

    I'm not sure the header tells us anything surprising tbh.

    Presumably if the Democrats ever win the presidency again the numbers in favour of presidential pardons will flip.

    I doubt it.

    The vast majority of the party would support (eg) the requirement for Congressional sign off on presidential pardons.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,082
    Was his latest pardon one of his black Friday deals or did it involve the full whack?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,784
    Telegraph polling average

    Ref 29.4%
    Con 18.4%
    Lab 18.2%
    Grn 15.5%
    LD 12.7%

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/when-next-election-will-reform-win/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332
    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,485
    edited December 10
    In all this mayhem and Trump idosey what is the path to normality [if it exists] and how long ?

    Is it true Trump has announced the US resignation from NATO ?

    Lot of talk about the European coalition of the willing but not a leader in sight, just endless meetings chasing cul de sacs, but never in the history of man has there been such hugging and self satisfaction looks from those who have nothing to really say how to get us out of this war with Ukraine
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    edited December 10

    In all this mayhem and Trump idosey what is the path to normality [if it exists] and how long ?

    Is it true Trump has announced the US resignation from NATO ?

    Lot of talk about the European coalition of the willing but not a leader in sight, just endless meetings chasing cul de sacs, but never in the history of man has there been such hugging and self satisfaction looks from those who have nothing to really say how to get us out of this war with Ukraine

    No. What makes you think that?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332
    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,224
    ...
  • In all this mayhem and Trump idosey what is the path to normality [if it exists] and how long ?

    Is it true Trump has announced the US resignation from NATO ?

    Lot of talk about the European coalition of the willing but not a leader in sight, just endless meetings chasing cul de sacs, but never in the history of man has there been such hugging and self satisfaction looks from those who have nothing to really say how to get us out of this war with Ukraine

    No. What makes you think that?
    @Nigelb post at 4.42 on last thread
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    Nigelb said:

    I'm not sure the header tells us anything surprising tbh.

    Presumably if the Democrats ever win the presidency again the numbers in favour of presidential pardons will flip.

    I doubt it.

    The vast majority of the party would support (eg) the requirement for Congressional sign off on presidential pardons.
    Fair point. I should have clarified - the GOP numbers will flip.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    First again!

    So ?
    So nothing.
    I was reading too much into your '!'
    Tbf I use the exclamation mark far too much!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,082
    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,143
    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Give it another year and he will be fully comfortable with saying why can't we have more white people, instead of using filthy, dirty, disgusting for people and places that aren't white.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,285
    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,285
    I see William Hill is up for sale
    ...
    No doubt because of Govt taxing it to death
  • DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    The other possibility is that Trump's entourage will be the ones seeking asylum.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,640
    Andy_JS said:

    Telegraph polling average

    Ref 29.4%
    Con 18.4%
    Lab 18.2%
    Grn 15.5%
    LD 12.7%

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/when-next-election-will-reform-win/

    Do you know which weeks they have used. I'm struggling to find a period of time which matches their figures.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Nigelb said:

    .

    In all this mayhem and Trump idosey what is the path to normality [if it exists] and how long ?

    Is it true Trump has announced the US resignation from NATO ?

    Lot of talk about the European coalition of the willing but not a leader in sight, just endless meetings chasing cul de sacs, but never in the history of man has there been such hugging and self satisfaction looks from those who have nothing to really say how to get us out of this war with Ukraine

    No. What makes you think that?
    @Nigelb post at 4.42 on last thread
    That was a US Senator.
    MAGA, but as yet without the Trump sharpie tick.

    OTOH

    The United States is now included in the threat assessment issued by Denmark’s Defence Intelligence Service regarding risks to Denmark.

    “The United States no longer excludes the possibility of using military force, even against its allies,” according to the latest assessment published by the Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste (FE), Denmark’s military intelligence agency responsible for foreign and security-related threats.

    Several Danish media outlets, including Berlingske and Politiken, report on the findings.

    “The United States is now using its economic and technological strength as an instrument of power, including against allies and partners,” the report states.

    This marks the first time the United States has been identified in the assessment as a country that may pose a security threat to Denmark.

    https://x.com/OJoelsen/status/1998512034904945093
    That's Denmark crossed off his list of nice places.
  • Scott_xP said:

    ...

    He was poor again at PMQs

    He repeats ad infinitum - 14 years, black hole, Liz Truss, to the point anyone could write his response
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,629
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    Asylum as a universal right is unsustainable in a world of easy global travel. For a long time it was mainly reserved for relatively high-profile dissidents - people like Edward Snowden or Alexei Navalny - and if that were still the case, nobody would be complaining.

    Any large scale migration of people has to be subject to political and democratic control so there is accountablity. Make it discretionary rather than a universal right and it solves the problem. The way we managed Ukrainian refugees should be used as the model for the entire system going forwards.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,082

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    Asylum as a universal right is unsustainable in a world of easy global travel. For a long time it was mainly reserved for relatively high-profile dissidents - people like Edward Snowden or Alexei Navalny - and if that were still the case, nobody would be complaining.

    Any large scale migration of people has to be subject to political and democratic control so there is accountablity. Make it discretionary rather than a universal right and it solves the problem. The way we managed Ukrainian refugees should be used as the model for the entire system going forwards.
    I've said the same on here several times. It will be interesting to see how far Starmer is willing to push the changes to ECHR in this respect but even he acknowledges the problem.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,318
    edited December 10
    Roger said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telegraph polling average

    Ref 29.4%
    Con 18.4%
    Lab 18.2%
    Grn 15.5%
    LD 12.7%

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/when-next-election-will-reform-win/

    Do you know which weeks they have used. I'm struggling to find a period of time which matches their figures.

    As it's the Telegraph the figures have probably been produced by some Oxbridge arts grad who can't do averages so had a guess.
  • Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
  • Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Sorry Matt but this is just the Daily Star's Liz Truss lettuce joke rehashed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,329
    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,329

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    Asylum as a universal right is unsustainable in a world of easy global travel. For a long time it was mainly reserved for relatively high-profile dissidents - people like Edward Snowden or Alexei Navalny - and if that were still the case, nobody would be complaining.

    Any large scale migration of people has to be subject to political and democratic control so there is accountablity. Make it discretionary rather than a universal right and it solves the problem. The way we managed Ukrainian refugees should be used as the model for the entire system going forwards.
    Better than a lottery by national populist whim would be a revised international framework.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,226
    National Guard deployment: A federal judge said the Trump administration must end its deployment of California National Guard troops in Los Angeles. The ruling said that the federal government had illegally kept troops in the city long after protests erupted this summer over immigration raids there. The order, which was stayed until Monday, requires the control of the troops return to Gov. Gavin Newsom.

    NY Times
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,629
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    Asylum as a universal right is unsustainable in a world of easy global travel. For a long time it was mainly reserved for relatively high-profile dissidents - people like Edward Snowden or Alexei Navalny - and if that were still the case, nobody would be complaining.

    Any large scale migration of people has to be subject to political and democratic control so there is accountablity. Make it discretionary rather than a universal right and it solves the problem. The way we managed Ukrainian refugees should be used as the model for the entire system going forwards.
    Better than a lottery by national populist whim would be a revised international framework.
    "National populist whim" is a bit of a pejorative way to describe democracy.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,143
    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,681
    Late afternoon all :)

    The general economic malaise reported by some on here has even reached the reselling market with one of Mrs Stodge's friends calling it "much quieter" than the past couple of years.

    Again, only anecdotal evidence but I suspect it's going to be another poor Christmas for retailers as well.

    It's probably worth remembering Khan leads Trump 3-2 in elections won (so far).

  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,369

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Yep I don't get this stuff about Sadiq Khan. Trump we can dismiss but I have heard others say similar about him. @squareroot2 obviously thinks so. Now he is not my cup of tea, as our politics differ but 'horrible, incompetent, vicious, disgusting'? None of those words apply do they?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,143
    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Yep I don't get this stuff about Sadiq Khan. Trump we can dismiss but I have heard others say similar about him. @squareroot2 obviously thinks so. Now he is not my cup of tea, as our politics differ but 'horrible, incompetent, vicious, disgusting'? None of those words apply do they?
    Incompetent = Political perception.
    Horrible, disgusting = Hyperbolic personal character assassination but just within plausibility some objectively think this.
    Vicious = Outside plausibility that people genuinely find him vicious.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,329

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    Asylum as a universal right is unsustainable in a world of easy global travel. For a long time it was mainly reserved for relatively high-profile dissidents - people like Edward Snowden or Alexei Navalny - and if that were still the case, nobody would be complaining.

    Any large scale migration of people has to be subject to political and democratic control so there is accountablity. Make it discretionary rather than a universal right and it solves the problem. The way we managed Ukrainian refugees should be used as the model for the entire system going forwards.
    Better than a lottery by national populist whim would be a revised international framework.
    "National populist whim" is a bit of a pejorative way to describe democracy.
    You know what I mean. There were reasons these international agreements came about and those reasons remain sound. The need is not to scrap it's to adapt to circumstances. If we can't manage this and retreat instead to lowest common denominator parochialism (is that a more acceptable phrase?) then ok, such is life, but it would be a pretty sad state of affairs.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Ukrainian maritime drones have hit another Russian shadow fleet tanker, Dashan, under the flag of the Comoros, in the Black Sea.

    #explodey

    That's my kind of fireworks.
  • stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    The general economic malaise reported by some on here has even reached the reselling market with one of Mrs Stodge's friends calling it "much quieter" than the past couple of years.

    Again, only anecdotal evidence but I suspect it's going to be another poor Christmas for retailers as well.

    It's probably worth remembering Khan leads Trump 3-2 in elections won (so far).

    Maybe, maybe not. I've been looking just today at various supermarkets Christmas food specials and many items have sold out already and there are not many slots left. However, this might, of course, be due to the shops keeping supplies low in the first place.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,681

    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    The general economic malaise reported by some on here has even reached the reselling market with one of Mrs Stodge's friends calling it "much quieter" than the past couple of years.

    Again, only anecdotal evidence but I suspect it's going to be another poor Christmas for retailers as well.

    It's probably worth remembering Khan leads Trump 3-2 in elections won (so far).

    Maybe, maybe not. I've been looking just today at various supermarkets Christmas food specials and many items have sold out already and there are not many slots left. However, this might, of course, be due to the shops keeping supplies low in the first place.
    Indeed and if it's anecdotal evidence the other way you want, Upminster (likely Reform target next year) very busy and bustling and the M&S doing very good business.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,329

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,559
    edited December 10
    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Yep I don't get this stuff about Sadiq Khan. Trump we can dismiss but I have heard others say similar about him. @squareroot2 obviously thinks so. Now he is not my cup of tea, as our politics differ but 'horrible, incompetent, vicious, disgusting'? None of those words apply do they?
    Khan Derangement Syndrome (if Khan was a right winger)
  • kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    2022 was Qatar, not exactly a beacon of democracy.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,644
    I love jokes like the one claiming that Edward Snowden is a "dissident".

    "Czar" Putin does not have dissident friends.

    (Assuming it's a joke is the kindest thing I can do. If you wonder why I say that, read this book: https://www.amazon.com/How-America-Lost-Its-Secrets/dp/0451494563

    Warning: It's not very kind to the Guardian.

    Incidentally, one of the things I like most about the book is Epstein's unanswered questions.)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,143
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,325
    edited December 10
    There's only two plausible explanations with Trump, I feel. Either he's a batshit crazy insane c-word, or...there's an evil identical doppleganger Trump, and they take it in turns to randomly post on social media/appear at press conferences spouting whatever they feel like on any given day, and that explains why nothing he says ever seems to make any sense or even be vaguely consistent in his shithousery.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,640

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,100
    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    The general economic malaise reported by some on here has even reached the reselling market with one of Mrs Stodge's friends calling it "much quieter" than the past couple of years.

    Again, only anecdotal evidence but I suspect it's going to be another poor Christmas for retailers as well.

    It's probably worth remembering Khan leads Trump 3-2 in elections won (so far).

    A poor Xmas is a euphemism for poor management skills. The changes brought in by the Covid, Brexit and the changes in the US means that management need to up their game or be found "swimming naked when the tide goes out." There's lots to be done in terms of infrastructure, education, health, exporting, building without needing to sit in a cold cavernous space waiting for someone to pass the door.

    We've become used to the protections of the EU Single Market which essentially is a closed shop and we are now unchained to find our place in the world - but we don't want to put in the shift to find it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,224
    @LauraEWeiss16

    NEWS: A group of House GOP mods will file a discharge petition for a 2 year extension of enhanced Obamacare subsidies THIS WEEK

    Enough R's on board so that it could succeed IF House Dems support it

    It would be for Fitzpatrick-Golden bill

    The House GOP mods are taking a big step to break w/ their leadership & try to force an ACA vote

    The big q is if House Dems will get on board. Some have concerns w/ Fitzpatrick-Golden bill & House Dem leaders are pushing discharge for 3-yr clean extension - a nonstarter for R’s

    https://x.com/LauraEWeiss16/status/1998822728212611170?s=20
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,143

    There's only two plausible explanations with Trump, I feel. Either he's a batshit crazy insane c-word, or...there's an evil identical doppleganger Trump, and they take it in turns to randomly post on social media/appear at press conferences spouting whatever they feel like on any given day, and that explains why nothing he says ever seems to make any sense or even be vaguely consistent in his shithousery.

    Early on, he said his main objective was to be at the top of the news everyday. Another objective is to make as much $$$$$ as possible. Beyond that not much else really matters, after all he was a Clinton Democrat for many years, he doesn't care about much politically beyond tariffs and America first.

    If you put those together this is what you get.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,332
    Did I get this right?
    One of the guarantors of our territorial integrity is demanding that we hand over our territory to another guarantor of our territorial integrity in exchange for new guarantees for whatever remains of our territorial integrity.

    https://x.com/brokenpixelua/status/1998758827546784179

    Not exactly.
    The U.S. isn't promising any territorial guarantees any more.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,329

    There's only two plausible explanations with Trump, I feel. Either he's a batshit crazy insane c-word, or...there's an evil identical doppleganger Trump, and they take it in turns to randomly post on social media/appear at press conferences spouting whatever they feel like on any given day, and that explains why nothing he says ever seems to make any sense or even be vaguely consistent in his shithousery.

    Early on, he said his main objective was to be at the top of the news everyday. Another objective is to make as much $$$$$ as possible. Beyond that not much else really matters, after all he was a Clinton Democrat for many years, he doesn't care about much politically beyond tariffs and America first.

    If you put those together this is what you get.
    Yep plus the 3rd strand. Vengeance. That's about it for him the individual.

    Then you have the ideologues, chancers and crooks around him in a general melange of mutual exploitation and dependency.

    It's not great.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,329

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,629
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
  • OT - No shit sherlock. Pardoning the big drug importer (aka narco-terrorist), was a REALLY bad look. The only worse possible move would be Maxwell so hold your beer....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,083
    No surprise most Republicans think Trump gives out about the right amount of pardons and his pardon power should not be limited
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,070

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    Nominative indeterminism?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,821
    Pardon power in general just seems naturally open to abuse. If it exists it should be more constrained, as I think is the case in a number of states?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,143

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,821
    Nigelb said:

    Did I get this right?
    One of the guarantors of our territorial integrity is demanding that we hand over our territory to another guarantor of our territorial integrity in exchange for new guarantees for whatever remains of our territorial integrity.

    https://x.com/brokenpixelua/status/1998758827546784179

    Not exactly.
    The U.S. isn't promising any territorial guarantees any more.

    Would almost be funny if it wasn't so sickening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,083
    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Trump said much the same about the new Mayor of New York city a few weeks ago
  • .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
  • Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    Of course there are, its a bell curve.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,469
    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,469

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,821

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    Of course there are, its a bell curve.
    I sometimes joke that being shallow could be a way to defeat racism, as there are some very beautiful people of all races so how could people hate that entire specific race. Of course, in reality some people can still be incredibly racist and either be in denial or just not care.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,159
    kle4 said:

    Pardon power in general just seems naturally open to abuse. If it exists it should be more constrained, as I think is the case in a number of states?

    Yes. In the USA it is institutionalised corruption.

    The lists of pardonees are exactly what you would expect if you read back in to say the first half of the 20C.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,419
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Ukrainian maritime drones have hit another Russian shadow fleet tanker, Dashan, under the flag of the Comoros, in the Black Sea.

    #explodey

    good news
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,665
    edited December 10

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063
    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Because people from Norway don’t want to downgrade?
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,938
    System said:

    I beg your pardons – politicalbetting.com

    NEW Economist/YouGov Dec 5-8: Presidential pardons% who think President Trump gives out too many | too few pardonsU.S. adult citizens 58% | 4%Democrats 88% | 2%Independents 61% | 2%Republicans 23% | 7%today.yougov.com/politics/art…

    Read the full story here

    I heard that, pardon.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,938
    edited December 10
    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,665
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    I'll order you some glasses to help you read.

    I said 'in such terms' as the previous comment of him being 'vicious'.

    You're free to criticise his policy on bus fares.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,213

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,938
    HYUFD said:

    No surprise most Republicans think Trump gives out about the right amount of pardons and his pardon power should not be limited

    He’s not pardoned Tiger man yet.
  • kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    Of course there are, its a bell curve.
    I sometimes joke that being shallow could be a way to defeat racism, as there are some very beautiful people of all races so how could people hate that entire specific race. Of course, in reality some people can still be incredibly racist and either be in denial or just not care.
    That would be the Ali-G immigration programme, in which we only let in the fit ones (and turn away the rank ones).
  • Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,962

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
    Just passing through.

    What a fuckin' ludicrous comment. The issue is not the pros and cons of the cosmopolitan people one rubs shoulders with in the also-rans queue but the reality that there was no queue through the Schengen/ EU gate.

    #Brexitidiots
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,419
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    It is bizarre , any non gushing opinion on a non white person and they come out of the woodwork shouting racist.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
    I spent some time with the head of border security at Frankfurt airport today. He was spitting about the new system they have introduced and blaming it thoroughly and completely on the European Commission…

    FWIW
  • kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    Of course there are, its a bell curve.
    I sometimes joke that being shallow could be a way to defeat racism, as there are some very beautiful people of all races so how could people hate that entire specific race. Of course, in reality some people can still be incredibly racist and either be in denial or just not care.
    That would be the Ali-G immigration programme, in which we only let in the fit ones (and turn away the rank ones).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP9-KCP4r3c
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,130

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,419
    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    They in A&E now then.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,130

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
    I spent some time with the head of border security at Frankfurt airport today. He was spitting about the new system they have introduced and blaming it thoroughly and completely on the European Commission…

    FWIW
    They’re still stamping passports at Hamburg - I thought the electronic system was supposed to be up and running now?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063

    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,325
    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,159
    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Ukrainian maritime drones have hit another Russian shadow fleet tanker, Dashan, under the flag of the Comoros, in the Black Sea.

    #explodey

    good news
    They are getting some blowback from Turkey on these.
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