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Not yet revised away. Need to wait for June final Q1 GDP release on 27th.TOPPING said:BenM said:
Japan was rewarded with lower bond yields (despite 200pc debt to GDP, as was the US (didn't cut), and Germany and France (inside the eurozone).TOPPING said:@BenM
it's a simple "can't get to there from here" issue.
We saw how an expansion of both public and private balance sheets created nominal growth. The problem was the unwind.
We were (in 2010) at the point when the capital markets were not in the mood for more borrowed growth and a contraction was required.
The Cons said "no" to more borrowing and were rewarded with low bond yields and now it seems a potential return of growth. Lab said (and says) "just a bit more borrowing" but ignored the fact that there wasn't anyone else who was still willing to lend.
Tory policy only influenced low bond yields by killing the nascient recovery in 2009-10.
The subsequent double dip recession and flatlining economy fed into the very low bond yields we have experienced in the last 2 years.
Plus didn't we not have a double-dip recession?0 -
There's a piece on the BBC Sport website suggesting the start of the county championship season should be moved overseas. Somerset vs Kent in Antigua in March for example. Sadly one of the comments has been moderated and I didn't get a chance to copy it first, but it was along the lines of:
'I'm seventy years old and I try to go to every Lancashire home game. I think it's ***** outrageous that I'm expected to go to the West Indies to watch my county play. I rely on my bus pass to get to the ground and what good will that do me'....etc, etc plus some more foul language.
Pure genius. When for example do Lancashire get 4 uninterrupted days of play at home before the end of May? As for the average turnout, maybe this bloke represents half the crowd on an average Tuesday in April-whilst getting drenched of course.
Politicians beware, there's a groundswell of old codger opinion that will be demanding their bus passes include transatlatic flights if this idea goes through.
Good God! What in hell's name is Bopara doing back in the side??? Death penalty for Ashley Giles.
By the way, for those of you too mean to fork out for Sky, (or abroad like me), I recommend Willow Tv. 24 hour a day cricket channel for about 7 quid a month. Great value.
Nice to see the UK economy is starting to grow again. 2% this year and 3% next I predict!0 -
More like flies round s**t.Socrates said:
It's like moths to a flame isn't it?Morris_Dancer said:Latvia to join the euro next year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22781146
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Apologies if this has already been referred to but wow: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10100195/UK-recovery-gathers-pace-on-strong-services-data.html
Services growing very strongly, especially new orders, construction growing, we really seemed to have achieved lift off.
During 1994 and 1997 the economy did really well but the tories got almost no credit at all, largely I think because they were blamed for the 1992 recession and Black Wednesday. Will it be different this time? On that question stands the result of the next election.0 -
Don't worry about it Sam. PB goes through phases like this. At the moment, the Tories are having a bit of fun at Labours expense. It's all the more pleasurable for them, given the rubbish time they're having.isam said:
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.0 -
Here is something that should horrify all PBers irrespective of party. Unless, that is, you happen to be a haulage company owner.
http://www.economicvoice.com/ukip-mep-warns-of-stealth-moves-which-could-force-mega-truck-menace-on-to-uk-roads/50037411#axzz2VLg4CyA90 -
With idiots like Miliband and Clarke in charge, that's quite possible. It's still idiocy. The ERM and not the Euro - how many times must they try the same thing and expect a different result?Bob__Sykes said:
I still wouldn't bet against the UK (or each of its constituent parts post-Union) joining the Euro within my lifetime.Socrates said:
It's like moths to a flame isn't it?Morris_Dancer said:Latvia to join the euro next year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-227811460 -
Why would domestic Japanese investors have less places to go than domestic British investors?Charles said:
Japan - borrows from domestic retail investors with nowhere else to goBenM said:
Japan was rewarded with lower bond yields (despite 200pc debt to GDP, as was the US (didn't cut), and Germany and France (inside the eurozone).TOPPING said:@BenM
it's a simple "can't get to there from here" issue.
We saw how an expansion of both public and private balance sheets created nominal growth. The problem was the unwind.
We were (in 2010) at the point when the capital markets were not in the mood for more borrowed growth and a contraction was required.
The Cons said "no" to more borrowing and were rewarded with low bond yields and now it seems a potential return of growth. Lab said (and says) "just a bit more borrowing" but ignored the fact that there wasn't anyone else who was still willing to lend.
Tory policy only influenced low bond yields by killing the nascient recovery in 2009-10.
The subsequent double dip recession and flatlining economy fed into the very low bond yields we have experienced in the last 2 years.
US - the ultimate safe haven
Germany - best Euro denominated investment
France - probably second best, especially given flight from periphery, but increasinly market aware of the fundamental issues0 -
Off topic, I'd just like to register my opposition to those gutter broadcasters at channel 4 for the last episode of SKINT.
The programme uncritically played into the government's narrative on benefits by showing an unemployed family of nine purchasing a giant surround sound television for two and a half grand and telling tax-payers who objected to f8ck off.
A disgraceful distortion of the reality of life on benefits. Shame on them.0 -
For clarity, do not speculate on or discuss the phone hacking case. We are erring on the side of caution, but that's where the line's being drawn. So stay on the right side of it.0 -
Sketch-writers think Dave fluffed it today:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100220374/pmqs-david-camerons-confusing-attack-on-labour-over-child-benefit-cuts/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/jun/05/pmqs-cameron-miliband-live-blog
"Normally no one wins a stat-slinging contest like this, but today Miliband had the upper hand. That was partly because, instead of engaging in the debate about why the current A&E crisis, Cameron spent most of his time dodging the question and instead making general points about the NHS. And it was partly because, when Cameron did address the A&E crisis, he fell back on the "GP contract to blame" line which is utterly threadbare and which probably ought to be abandoned by the Department of Health as soon as possible."
I'm in China this week and pretty chillaxed about PMQs, if truth be known, but PB draws us addicts back wherever we are, as I'm sure SeanT will attest.
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North Yorkshire local election results by division:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dExuWDRnN3JqT1BQUUxGNnV0Nm5VWkE#gid=00 -
I am hearing about an absolutely extraordinary sex scandal. Because of libel laws, I can't say anything, but I can assure you:
1. You will know the people involved.
2. It doesn't involve children.0 -
George Eaton thinks the 50p tax rate is another coming Labour U-turn:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/06/labour-and-50p-rate-principle-or-pragmatism
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Just read a report that UAF and socialist worker people tried to break up a UKIP meeting in sussex.
They used megaphones to shout 'racist' and 'facist' at the people going in.
Farage was there and again had to be escorted out, apparently.0 -
The wonders of FPTP. UKiP nearly double the LD vote but get 2 seats compared with 6!AndyJS said:North Yorkshire local election results by division:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dExuWDRnN3JqT1BQUUxGNnV0Nm5VWkE#gid=00 -
I can't think of anything more designed to increase my affection for Mr Farage.taffys said:Just read a report that UAF and socialist worker people tried to break up a UKIP meeting in sussex.
They used megaphones to shout 'racist' and 'facist' at the people going in.
Farage was there and again had to be escorted out, apparently.0 -
@Charles
I'm afraid I'm in complete disagreement with you, regarding Europe. I think the risk/reward on core Europe is terrible. If the Eurozone disintegrates, then it will be German banks that take the hit, with a commensurate hit on those companies that depend on domestic banks for funding. And, if the Eurozone survives, then - as stock valuations are relatively high there - you'll see only modest benefits.
The latest numbers out of Europe are very, very interesting. Essentially, the periphery is improving, and the core is weakening. I posted the Randstadt numbers a week or so ago, and now they are being confirmed by the official Spanish unemployment numbers yesterday, which showed the biggest monthly improvement since 1996, with unemployment dropping by 100,000. (Of course, unemployment is still at a frankly horrendous 25%, the same level as 1995, so a 100,000 person improvement is a drop in the ocean.)
Spanish housing is finally being priced to clear. I was in Marbella over the weekend, and you can get an 800 square foot flat (albeit not a fantastically nice one) for €78,000 - this is not the quoted sales price (which was c. €100,000) but what I was told the vendor would accept. These are the kind of prices which finally led to the Florida apartments inventory beginning to move.
I think there are some fantastic investment opportunities in peripheral Europe - and I think these work whether the Eurozone survives or not.0 -
I spent a couple of years at Brighton Uni 2010-2011 and these look like just the kind of wallies that made me turn from a lefty to joining UKIPrcs1000 said:
I can't think of anything more designed to increase my affection for Mr Farage.taffys said:Just read a report that UAF and socialist worker people tried to break up a UKIP meeting in sussex.
They used megaphones to shout 'racist' and 'facist' at the people going in.
Farage was there and again had to be escorted out, apparently.
http://vimeo.com/67604802
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More Tory defections to UKIP:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/localgovernment/2013/06/four-tory-councillors-in-hounslow-defect-to-ukip.html
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Don't know why (presumably currency risk / culture) but they have been gobbling up domestic bonds at derisory yields for decadesSocrates said:
Why would domestic Japanese investors have less places to go than domestic British investors?Charles said:
Japan - borrows from domestic retail investors with nowhere else to goBenM said:
Japan was rewarded with lower bond yields (despite 200pc debt to GDP, as was the US (didn't cut), and Germany and France (inside the eurozone).TOPPING said:@BenM
it's a simple "can't get to there from here" issue.
We saw how an expansion of both public and private balance sheets created nominal growth. The problem was the unwind.
We were (in 2010) at the point when the capital markets were not in the mood for more borrowed growth and a contraction was required.
The Cons said "no" to more borrowing and were rewarded with low bond yields and now it seems a potential return of growth. Lab said (and says) "just a bit more borrowing" but ignored the fact that there wasn't anyone else who was still willing to lend.
Tory policy only influenced low bond yields by killing the nascient recovery in 2009-10.
The subsequent double dip recession and flatlining economy fed into the very low bond yields we have experienced in the last 2 years.
US - the ultimate safe haven
Germany - best Euro denominated investment
France - probably second best, especially given flight from periphery, but increasinly market aware of the fundamental issues0 -
Was just highlighting why German yields are low - not an investor in Europe myself.rcs1000 said:@Charles
I'm afraid I'm in complete disagreement with you, regarding Europe. I think the risk/reward on core Europe is terrible. If the Eurozone disintegrates, then it will be German banks that take the hit, with a commensurate hit on those companies that depend on domestic banks for funding. And, if the Eurozone survives, then - as stock valuations are relatively high there - you'll see only modest benefits.
The latest numbers out of Europe are very, very interesting. Essentially, the periphery is improving, and the core is weakening. I posted the Randstadt numbers a week or so ago, and now they are being confirmed by the official Spanish unemployment numbers yesterday, which showed the biggest monthly improvement since 1996, with unemployment dropping by 100,000. (Of course, unemployment is still at a frankly horrendous 25%, the same level as 1995, so a 100,000 person improvement is a drop in the ocean.)
Spanish housing is finally being priced to clear. I was in Marbella over the weekend, and you can get an 800 square foot flat (albeit not a fantastically nice one) for €78,000 - this is not the quoted sales price (which was c. €100,000) but what I was told the vendor would accept. These are the kind of prices which finally led to the Florida apartments inventory beginning to move.
I think there are some fantastic investment opportunities in peripheral Europe - and I think these work whether the Eurozone survives or not.
For last 9 months or so I've been long US, Pacific Rim, neutral on China, short gold, and long London property. Plus my standard macro themes of obesity, nervous system diosorder and vaccines.0 -
Isn't the story of investment that people always react to the last crisis? So, in the US, when shares crashed they looked to see what investment class had performed best - other than shares - and piled into property. When this fell through, they looked around, and discovered commodities. When that didn't work out they moved on to government bonds. Presumably, as inflation destroys their government bond savings they will turn once again to shares (15 years after the end of the last bull market; coincidentally, or maybe not, about the same gap as between 1968 and 1981 or 1929 and 1945).Charles said:
Don't know why (presumably currency risk / culture) but they have been gobbling up domestic bonds at derisory yields for decadesSocrates said:
Why would domestic Japanese investors have less places to go than domestic British investors?Charles said:
Japan - borrows from domestic retail investors with nowhere else to goBenM said:
Japan was rewarded with lower bond yields (despite 200pc debt to GDP, as was the US (didn't cut), and Germany and France (inside the eurozone).TOPPING said:@BenM
it's a simple "can't get to there from here" issue.
We saw how an expansion of both public and private balance sheets created nominal growth. The problem was the unwind.
We were (in 2010) at the point when the capital markets were not in the mood for more borrowed growth and a contraction was required.
The Cons said "no" to more borrowing and were rewarded with low bond yields and now it seems a potential return of growth. Lab said (and says) "just a bit more borrowing" but ignored the fact that there wasn't anyone else who was still willing to lend.
Tory policy only influenced low bond yields by killing the nascient recovery in 2009-10.
The subsequent double dip recession and flatlining economy fed into the very low bond yields we have experienced in the last 2 years.
US - the ultimate safe haven
Germany - best Euro denominated investment
France - probably second best, especially given flight from periphery, but increasinly market aware of the fundamental issues
Japanese savers saw their equities destroyed in the 1990s, their property destroyed in the 00s, and are now about to see the real value of their money hammered by epic quantitative easing.0 -
Sam - you came on and made a partizan attack - then whined when one was made back atcha.isam said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTGOHF said:
Well as long as Ukip win the GE she will be able to claim unlimited legal aid for any court case - as well as child benefit and winter fuel payment for her granny.isam said:"Tory peer Baroness Warsi & her secret business dealings"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.
Why? There's no downside fessing up unless you are a petty point scorer. You're not going to get deselected!
Barely any talk of betting
No response/little discussion of any bets offered
As mick Pork would say - unspoonable.0 -
Mike Smithson likes to show the regular polling that has consistently shown that more people blame Labour than the Coalition for Austerity. If decent growth does resume, and Osborne is able to announce figures that are better than forecast for a change, then you'd expect it to make a big difference.DavidL said:Apologies if this has already been referred to but wow: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10100195/UK-recovery-gathers-pace-on-strong-services-data.html
Services growing very strongly, especially new orders, construction growing, we really seemed to have achieved lift off.
During 1994 and 1997 the economy did really well but the tories got almost no credit at all, largely I think because they were blamed for the 1992 recession and Black Wednesday. Will it be different this time? On that question stands the result of the next election.
It will take a while for us to be sure about the economy, and longer still for it to feed through to the opinion polls. Those who are reading a lot into the recent improved economic statistics will probably never have a better time to take a punt on Cameron and Osborne remaining in office after the 2015 GE, though.
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I didn't make a partisan attack, I didn't say anything!TGOHF said:
Sam - you came on and made a partizan attack - then whined when one was made back atcha.isam said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTGOHF said:
Well as long as Ukip win the GE she will be able to claim unlimited legal aid for any court case - as well as child benefit and winter fuel payment for her granny.isam said:"Tory peer Baroness Warsi & her secret business dealings"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.
Why? There's no downside fessing up unless you are a petty point scorer. You're not going to get deselected!
Barely any talk of betting
No response/little discussion of any bets offered
As mick Pork would say - unspoonable.
I linked to an article about Warsi without commenting
I think he would say unspoofable0 -
Oh yes.
I don;t how reports of sexual affairs can be libellous, if they are true reports. I can see how they intrude on the right to a private life, but that's a different matter.
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Indeed - why post it then ? Has this revelation gone on to dominate today's headlines ?isam said:
I didn't make a partisan attack, I didn't say anything!TGOHF said:
Sam - you came on and made a partizan attack - then whined when one was made back atcha.isam said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTGOHF said:
Well as long as Ukip win the GE she will be able to claim unlimited legal aid for any court case - as well as child benefit and winter fuel payment for her granny.isam said:"Tory peer Baroness Warsi & her secret business dealings"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.
Why? There's no downside fessing up unless you are a petty point scorer. You're not going to get deselected!
Barely any talk of betting
No response/little discussion of any bets offered
As mick Pork would say - unspoonable.
I linked to an article about Warsi without commenting
I think he would say unspoofable
I'll offer you £20 at evens she's still in her job at the end of the month.
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I hope it's more juicy than the rubbish one last weekend! That was so crap and predictable. More like a bad commercial for this weeks events.rcs1000 said:
C'mon, give us a clue? Does it involve Ravi Bopara and England selectors?
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Yes, but we don't know if they are true or not, as we saw in the McAlpine case
In that case, a sexual affair would in fact be difficult to prove, without a sworn testimony from one of the parties involved, and/or in flagrante photographs.
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Supply creates its own demand. If the UK went deeper into debt to fund fiscal stimulus, the income of the UK private sector would be higher, and they would have more money to save. So you'd have a lot more government bonds available, and a lot more money looking for something to invest in. The result is statistics like Japan's.Charles said:
Don't know why (presumably currency risk / culture) but they have been gobbling up domestic bonds at derisory yields for decadesSocrates said:
Why would domestic Japanese investors have less places to go than domestic British investors?Charles said:
Japan - borrows from domestic retail investors with nowhere else to goBenM said:
Japan was rewarded with lower bond yields (despite 200pc debt to GDP, as was the US (didn't cut), and Germany and France (inside the eurozone).TOPPING said:@BenM
it's a simple "can't get to there from here" issue.
We saw how an expansion of both public and private balance sheets created nominal growth. The problem was the unwind.
We were (in 2010) at the point when the capital markets were not in the mood for more borrowed growth and a contraction was required.
The Cons said "no" to more borrowing and were rewarded with low bond yields and now it seems a potential return of growth. Lab said (and says) "just a bit more borrowing" but ignored the fact that there wasn't anyone else who was still willing to lend.
Tory policy only influenced low bond yields by killing the nascient recovery in 2009-10.
The subsequent double dip recession and flatlining economy fed into the very low bond yields we have experienced in the last 2 years.
US - the ultimate safe haven
Germany - best Euro denominated investment
France - probably second best, especially given flight from periphery, but increasinly market aware of the fundamental issues0 -
I'm surprised the family didn't hide the surround sound television in the boot of the beemer before the cameras arrived.taffys said:Off topic, I'd just like to register my opposition to those gutter broadcasters at channel 4 for the last episode of SKINT.
The programme uncritically played into the government's narrative on benefits by showing an unemployed family of nine purchasing a giant surround sound television for two and a half grand and telling tax-payers who objected to f8ck off.
A disgraceful distortion of the reality of life on benefits. Shame on them.
No shame these people. No shame at all.
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Gibraltar became the 54th member of UEFA last month in the face of stiff Spanish opposition, so you'll find the GFA on a collective high when you visit. I'll be there at the match cheering on my team. If you're in the area, FluffyThoughts, or anyone else then give me a shout for a beer!FluffyThoughts said:Off-topic:
GeoffM's mob seem to be hosting our-boys on 10-07-2013. Can he get hold of some complementary tickets (with flights and accomodation throw-in)...?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/charlton-athletic
Tickets I can organise as my company are sponsors. Flights and accommodation not so much :-(
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If this comes to pass tim will be in hiding for a month...RichardNabavi said:George Eaton thinks the 50p tax rate is another coming Labour U-turn:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/06/labour-and-50p-rate-principle-or-pragmatism
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timwatch update
http://order-order.com/2013/06/05/labour-suspend-dissident-councillor/
The truth is out there..0 -
I posted it because I thought it was a political story that hadn't been discussed on hereTGOHF said:
Indeed - why post it then ? Has this revelation gone on to dominate today's headlines ?isam said:
I didn't make a partisan attack, I didn't say anything!TGOHF said:
Sam - you came on and made a partizan attack - then whined when one was made back atcha.isam said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTGOHF said:
Well as long as Ukip win the GE she will be able to claim unlimited legal aid for any court case - as well as child benefit and winter fuel payment for her granny.isam said:"Tory peer Baroness Warsi & her secret business dealings"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.
Why? There's no downside fessing up unless you are a petty point scorer. You're not going to get deselected!
Barely any talk of betting
No response/little discussion of any bets offered
As mick Pork would say - unspoonable.
I linked to an article about Warsi without commenting
I think he would say unspoofable
I'll offer you £20 at evens she's still in her job at the end of the month.
It hasn't gone on to dominate today's headlines, you are right. Is that the qualifier for posting links to a story concerning politics then?
it was hardly "a partisan attack"!!
oohh that's a tempter!
can I have a tenner at Evs that tomorrow is Thursday?
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Probably not, since it dates from 2012 and was a spectacularly feeble piece of Telegraph smearing even then.TGOHF said:Has this revelation gone on to dominate today's headlines ?
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it's times like this that you almost miss tim - he would have pointed out the sex and race of the person you were posting a smear on.isam said:
I posted it because I thought it was a political story that hadn't been discussed on hereTGOHF said:
Indeed - why post it then ? Has this revelation gone on to dominate today's headlines ?isam said:
I didn't make a partisan attack, I didn't say anything!TGOHF said:
Sam - you came on and made a partizan attack - then whined when one was made back atcha.isam said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTGOHF said:
Well as long as Ukip win the GE she will be able to claim unlimited legal aid for any court case - as well as child benefit and winter fuel payment for her granny.isam said:"Tory peer Baroness Warsi & her secret business dealings"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.
Why? There's no downside fessing up unless you are a petty point scorer. You're not going to get deselected!
Barely any talk of betting
No response/little discussion of any bets offered
As mick Pork would say - unspoonable.
I linked to an article about Warsi without commenting
I think he would say unspoofable
I'll offer you £20 at evens she's still in her job at the end of the month.
It hasn't gone on to dominate today's headlines, you are right. Is that the qualifier for posting links to a story concerning politics then?
it was hardly "a partisan attack"!!
oohh that's a tempter!
can I have a tenner at Evs that tomorrow is Thursday?
I however - am bigger than that
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No shame these people. No shame at all.
An acquaintance works at a PDSA in the North of England, where the unemployed take their sick animals to be treated for free.
They recently had to institute a rule limiting the number of pedigree dogs (ie not mongrels) they treat to two per client.
Thinking about it, if you owned a pedigree dog, you could probably pay an unemployed person cash to have it treated at a PDSA as their own and still save a good deal on private vet's bills.
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The Speccie review of PMQs has a topical cricket theme...
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/lloyd-evans/2013/06/pmqs-sketch-moaning-and-groaning-from-ed-miliband/0 -
Not all of them:NickPalmer said:Sketch-writers think Dave fluffed it today
"Thwack! That was the sound of Ed Miliband being knocked for six at PMQs. He didn’t stand a chance. Even before he could get to his feet, David Cameron had put a question to him. Against the rules. But so what? Cameron wanted to know if the Labour leader would withdraw his constant attacks on Tory plans to remove child benefit from high earners?"
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/06/pmqs-sketch-moaning-and-groaning-from-ed-miliband/
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More scaremongering from ukip. As the commenter said the UK does not have to agree to this. If adjacent nations wish to agree to this they can do so.MikeK said:Here is something that should horrify all PBers irrespective of party. Unless, that is, you happen to be a haulage company owner.
http://www.economicvoice.com/ukip-mep-warns-of-stealth-moves-which-could-force-mega-truck-menace-on-to-uk-roads/50037411#axzz2VLg4CyA9
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James Forsyth in the Speccie.......counting chickens, I suspect:
"Today must count as one of the most encouraging days for the centre right in British politics in recent times. Labour’s apparent abandonment of universal child benefit is a massive blow to the 1945 settlement. It is akin in significance to when Labour began to accept the privatisations of the Thatcher era."
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/06/the-political-centre-just-moved-to-the-right/0 -
David, I am hesitant to get too excited about Q2 2013 growth on the back of these PMIs alone, especially when the SWIFT index is 'nowcasting' only 0.1% growth for the quarter. The news is undoubtedly good, but it is not comprehensive and the economy still remains vulnerable to even small shocks.DavidL said:Apologies if this has already been referred to but wow: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10100195/UK-recovery-gathers-pace-on-strong-services-data.html
Services growing very strongly, especially new orders, construction growing, we really seemed to have achieved lift off.
During 1994 and 1997 the economy did really well but the tories got almost no credit at all, largely I think because they were blamed for the 1992 recession and Black Wednesday. Will it be different this time? On that question stands the result of the next election.
For example, the Buzzard North Sea Oil Field, which can produce 200,000 BOE/d equivalent or 10% of UK oil output has stopped production yet again this last week due a steam leak. This may only result in a few days down as in April and February, but, if the problems persist, it could take the field down for a couple of months as happened in late summer last year. It was this unscheduled downtime which is sometimes attributed as being the cause for Q4 2012 GDP being negative.
GDP growth is also highly sensitive to large movements in net foreign investment which we need to keep an eye on.
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TGOHF said:
it's times like this that you almost miss tim - he would have pointed out the sex and race of the person you were posting a smear on.isam said:
I posted it because I thought it was a political story that hadn't been discussed on hereTGOHF said:
Indeed - why post it then ? Has this revelation gone on to dominate today's headlines ?isam said:
I didn't make a partisan attack, I didn't say anything!TGOHF said:
Sam - you came on and made a partizan attack - then whined when one was made back atcha.isam said:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzTGOHF said:
Well as long as Ukip win the GE she will be able to claim unlimited legal aid for any court case - as well as child benefit and winter fuel payment for her granny.isam said:"Tory peer Baroness Warsi & her secret business dealings"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9308031/Tory-peer-Baroness-Warsi-and-her-secret-business.html
I worry that this site is becoming nothing more than a diluted version of the House of Commons where all anyone does is point out negative aspects in the policies of the party that the poster supports, with an aversion to admitting anything negative about their own party.
Why? There's no downside fessing up unless you are a petty point scorer. You're not going to get deselected!
Barely any talk of betting
No response/little discussion of any bets offered
As mick Pork would say - unspoonable.
I linked to an article about Warsi without commenting
I think he would say unspoofable
I'll offer you £20 at evens she's still in her job at the end of the month.
It hasn't gone on to dominate today's headlines, you are right. Is that the qualifier for posting links to a story concerning politics then?
it was hardly "a partisan attack"!!
oohh that's a tempter!
can I have a tenner at Evs that tomorrow is Thursday?
I however - am bigger than that
Oh my life, are you serious?! I see the smiley face, Im not 100% sure though
I posted it because I saw a friend of mine, a lefty, Scottish atheist, had posted it on facebook, and I thought people on here might be interested.
I checked the date in case it was old news and it was todays
I thought tim had got your password and loged in as you when you offered the Even money bet!
If you want to go down the road of seeing racism and sexism in comments when there is absolutely none in them, fair enough, but I promise you that wasnt the case, I never even thought about it.
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The 'Lesbian threesome' Tory MP case has been dismissed - after some pretty damning testimony from the housekeeper's former partner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10100958/Lesbian-housekeeper-working-for-Tory-MP-fabricated-sexual-assault-claim.html
The woman would lie and exaggerate for her own financial gain or to get revenge on people against whom she held a grudge, her lesbian former civil partner told an employment tribunal.
She twice won damages from Royal Mail after bringing allegedly false claims of sexual discrimination and a work-related shoulder injury, the hearing was told.0 -
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PLEASE , NO DISCUSSION ABOUT SEX SCANDAL AND NO HINTING EITHER.
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PBMODERATOR, AS THE TECHNICAL ADMIN OF THIS SITE, I RECKON I CAN GET AWAY WITH WHAT I WANT... UNTIL MY DAD CALLS ME UP AND SHOUTS AT ME0
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(for the record, I'm not going to leak any more details.)
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@Socrates
Japan inflation: well the official target is 2%. However, Kuroda has pledged to double the Japanese monetary base by the end of 2014. Let me repeat that, in case anyone missed it, the man tasked with minding the value of the Yen has announced that he plans to double the number of Yen bouncing around the system. I fear his plans to reintroduce inflation - on a three year view - may become rather more successful than he expects. I would not own long-term Japanese government bonds, as you have the twin risks default through inflation, and default through... errr... not being paid back.
London property: I would tend to agree; 2-3 bedroom places in zones 2-3. It's a very liquid market, and good for rentals.0 -
I'm sure all decent minded people will join me in condemning this disgusting attack:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22785074
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See link for Lords Division list on Gay Marriage.
Long list of ex Conservative Cabinet Ministers who voted for gay marriage - ie against the amendment:
Baker
Bottomley
Chalker
Deben (ie Gummer)
Fowler
Heseltine
Howard
Hunt
Jenkin
Jopling
King
Shephard
Waldegrave
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Mr. Socrates, I quite agree.
Misuse of the term 'racist' in the report, though. Islam/Muslims isn't/aren't a race.0 -
Novo - still the best diabetes company out there. Don't like Mannkind because the technology is pretty shakey and both Sasy and Lilly have too many other problems. Also looking at a very interesting start up in obesity services in the MENA region...they are looking for funding right now if you want in a ground level (I don't have the spare cash right now as made a big play into alzheimer's)rcs1000 said:@Charles
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I must admit that's quite funny TGOHF.
As it happens, I rather like Luciana Berger, she seems very nice and seems to enjoy the normal things that normal women enjoy (such as getting her hair done) without fear of the political joy police chastising her for frivolousness. She is also clearly very attractive which I know I am not supposed to mention but is nevertheless an undeniable part of her appeal.
I remember her response when the Liverpool Post lambasted her for not knowing who Bill Shankly was: "You can't ask a girl a question about football".
That's exactly the sort of thing my wife would say and I think it typifies Berger's everywoman quality, which may endear her to female voters.TGOHF said:timwatch update
http://order-order.com/2013/06/05/labour-suspend-dissident-councillor/
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How much bad publicity do Morrisons want?
"Today Liberty announced it is representing the checkout assistant suspended from supermarket Morrisons for wearing a Help for Heroes wristband and a small poppy badge."
http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/media/press/2013/liberty-represents-supermarket-worker-suspended-for-trib.php
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Bet you don't get many comments on it though...SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/0 -
Lord Ashcroft tweets: "Cruddas wins again. Sunday times defence thrown out. Leave to appeal refused. Injunct given to remove articles from net. Costs agin ST. WOW"0
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Nicely done.SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/
If they are gonna arrest people from Newport they should do so for their accents, above all else.0 -
What's with the lack of commenting availability? It seems like the Telegraph want to clamp down on free discussion just as much as South Wales Police. Doesn't exactly enhance your argument...SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/0 -
Indeed. Such a po-faced response though ;-)SeanT said:Charles said:
Bet you don't get many comments on it though...SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/
I will get zero comments. As comments are "closed".Charles said:
Bet you don't get many comments on it though...SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/0 -
I doubt SeanT will upset may readers today:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/0 -
Mr. T, you are the People's Columnist. [Not literally, of course. I imagine The People would pay you less].
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I'm sorry, but I think every working class woman in Liverpool would know who Bill Shankly is. It's just that Berger knows nothing about the city, as she's a private schoolgirl parachuted in from London on the back of her union and family connections.Bobajob said: I must admit that's quite funny TGOHF.
As it happens, I rather like Luciana Berger, she seems very nice and seems to enjoy the normal things that normal women enjoy (such as getting her hair done) without fear of the political joy police chastising her for frivolousness. She is also clearly very attractive which I know I am not supposed to mention but is nevertheless an undeniable part of her appeal.
I remember her response when the Liverpool Post lambasted her for not knowing who Bill Shankly was: "You can't ask a girl a question about football".
That's exactly the sort of thing my wife would say and I think it typifies Berger's everywoman quality, which may endear her to female voters.TGOHF said:timwatch update
http://order-order.com/2013/06/05/labour-suspend-dissident-councillor/
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FPT EU vote
slogan
"We can't control the borders unless we leave the EU"
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I'm not blaming you! Just your minders at the Telegraph. It seems like for all their bluster, they're just as much part of the liberal-left consensus when it comes to allowing the masses to have their views publicised...SeanT said:
Jeez. Talk about ungrateful! you asked me to blog, and I did. I think the editors close comments on articles like this because they attract so many, er, "eccentrics" the moderators get swamped. Nothing to do with me asking for comments to be shut down - rest assured.Socrates said:
What's with the lack of commenting availability? It seems like the Telegraph want to clamp down on free discussion just as much as South Wales Police. Doesn't exactly enhance your argument...SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/0 -
You must be joking! When the EU commisioners bark, the Lab/Lib/Con poodles tremble and obey.perdix said:
More scaremongering from ukip. As the commenter said the UK does not have to agree to this. If adjacent nations wish to agree to this they can do so.MikeK said:Here is something that should horrify all PBers irrespective of party. Unless, that is, you happen to be a haulage company owner.
http://www.economicvoice.com/ukip-mep-warns-of-stealth-moves-which-could-force-mega-truck-menace-on-to-uk-roads/50037411#axzz2VLg4CyA9
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Absolute stormer Sean. Hits just the right note. This should be printed off and used as an example of PC gone mad!SeanT said:As requested, I've done a Telegraph blog on the Welsh T shirt fella.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22785278
Didn't Clegg once criticise parents who give their children jobs?0 -
Trying to ignore UKIP is losing game:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/06/ukip-officially-excluded-from-scottish-referendum-campaign/0 -
The most worrying thing is not the political career of the young chap or who is right or wrong in this internal dispute, but the fact that the Mayor of Liverpool in his statement wrote " Following this meeting I asked Jake to take a break from his duties as a City Councillor and as a Mayoral Lead for Looked After Children for a period of one month, so he can rest and reflect, "
http://www.liverpoollabour.org/NewsandPictures/Statement_by_Joe_Anderson_Mayor_of_Liverpool.aspx
As Mayor, he can sack him as Lead Member...as Liverpool Labour Leader, he can suspend him from the group....but how the hell can he ask him to take a break from his duties as City Cllr?!TGOHF said:timwatch update
http://order-order.com/2013/06/05/labour-suspend-dissident-councillor/
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What was this regarding - the driving thing ?CarlottaVance said:Lord Ashcroft tweets: "Cruddas wins again. Sunday times defence thrown out. Leave to appeal refused. Injunct given to remove articles from net. Costs agin ST. WOW"
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What a hypocrite!Morris_Dancer said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22785278
Didn't Clegg once criticise parents who give their children jobs?
"You shouldn't be sanctimonious about this. All I'm saying is governments, businesses, those who can open doors to youngsters who don't have the luck and good fortune of having supportive parents and families, I think should do so.
So it's fine to give special access to your kids, as long as a token working class kid gets in too....
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Janan Ganesh tweets: "Still waiting for the backlash to child benefit cap. Pundits predicted pandemonium. It's almost as if the polls were right."0
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I note, though, that comments are closed. That sez more about our race laws than enything else.CarlottaVance said:I doubt SeanT will upset may readers today:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/
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@CarlottaVance Anyone who reads forums and blogs that are not particularly political would have called this one right. Sometimes the political pundits show that they know absolutely nothing.0
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Peter Cruddas & the ST 'sting' over donations.TGOHF said:
What was this regarding - the driving thing ?CarlottaVance said:Lord Ashcroft tweets: "Cruddas wins again. Sunday times defence thrown out. Leave to appeal refused. Injunct given to remove articles from net. Costs agin ST. WOW"
Latest Ashcroft tweet: "Ex party treasurer Peter Cruddas now going for malicious falsehood against Sunday times. Trial starts June 17th. Should be a corker!"
And some back ground:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2013/06/from-lordashcroft-former-tory-treasurer-peter-cruddas-receives-major-boost-from-judges-ruling-on-his.html
Its also a bit tricky for 'rush to judgement' Cameron.....
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Mr. K, worse than that by a long stretch was a Channel 4 documentary/debate about the Danish cartoons. They had a vote amongst the studio audience and about 60% wanted to see them. Jon Snow then fished out an envelope from his jacket pocket which stated that Channel 4 would not show the cartoons.0
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Thank you for demonstrating why the Telegraph Mods decided to close the article for comments...MikeK said:
I note, though, that comments are closed. That sez more about our race laws than enything else.CarlottaVance said:I doubt SeanT will upset may readers today:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100220436/the-muslim-hate-preacher-and-the-t-shirt-salesman-a-bizarre-study-in-double-standards/
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It's a pity 2013 does not rhyme with 1963.0
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Mr. Labour, has it ruined your plans for a Doctor Who anniversary rap?0
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Yes: and I've said that I'm in favour of a semi-detached state, such as EEA membership.SeanT said:
But you can have freedom on movement with the EU by just being in the EEA, without many of the EU obligations re migration and benefits.rcs1000 said:
Freedom of movement? That's the best thing the EU brings.MrJones said:FPT EU vote
slogan
"We can't control the borders unless we leave the EU"
easy win for out
However, I suspect that the choices available to me will be (a) EU, or (b) non-EEA. The majority of UKIP members are so hostile to freedom of movement (not Richard Tyndall, obviously), but see MrJones for details, that I may be required to vote for staying in the EU to maintain that freedom.0 -
Not only that - they ignore the polls which don't conform to their world view.antifrank said:Sometimes the political pundits show that they know absolutely nothing.
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If I'm understanding the Ashcroft tweet correctly that is an absolutely outrageous judgement against the free press and investigative journalism in this country.
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Not quite ;-)Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Labour, has it ruined your plans for a Doctor Who anniversary rap?
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@old_labour If you think it's hard rhyming 1963, just wait until you have to try rhyming something with Dealey Plaza.0
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What about Sky political editor? Glen O' Glazaantifrank said:@old_labour If you think it's hard rhyming 1963, just wait until you have to try rhyming something with Dealey Plaza.
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