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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,667
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Christ, the Mail have got the paracetemol/autism thing on their front page. I'm sure their article will get round to the medical evidence but the "just asking questions" thing is just so hideously irresponsible.

    Expect a big increase in stomach ulcers as people switch to ibuprofen.

    This massive Swedish study found no connection.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    Keep taking the pills.
    That's not *quite* true; it found a very minor correlation that is not statistically significant, and may simply be chance. The children of mothers who took acetimponephien were about 0.2 percentage points more likely to be autistic than those who didn't (albeit once you controlled for siblings, even that minor correlation largely disappeared.)

    It *might* be the case that there's a tiny increased risk of autism from taking paracetamol, but it certainly doesn't *cause* autism.
    Of course, it's also entirely possible that illness/pain is correlated with autism, and people who are sick/in pain are more likely to take paracetamol.
    A (possibly the) major cause of the big rise in autism diagnosis is quite likely to be, simply the big rise in doctors diagnosing autism.

    Only a few decades back you had usually to be severely autistic to be diagnosed at all. There was no "on the spectrum" in popular culture.
    Oh, that accounts for the entirety of the rise in autism diagnoses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,667
    Andy_JS said:

    Trivia question: one MP elected at the 1959 general election is still around. Who is it?

    I looked that up: thank you.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,667
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Christ, the Mail have got the paracetemol/autism thing on their front page. I'm sure their article will get round to the medical evidence but the "just asking questions" thing is just so hideously irresponsible.

    Expect a big increase in stomach ulcers as people switch to ibuprofen.

    This massive Swedish study found no connection.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    Keep taking the pills.
    That's not *quite* true; it found a very minor correlation that is not statistically significant, and may simply be chance. The children of mothers who took acetimponephien were about 0.2 percentage points more likely to be autistic than those who didn't (albeit once you controlled for siblings, even that minor correlation largely disappeared.)

    It *might* be the case that there's a tiny increased risk of autism from taking paracetamol, but it certainly doesn't *cause* autism.
    Of course, it's also entirely possible that illness/pain is correlated with autism, and people who are sick/in pain are more likely to take paracetamol.
    I think there is no statistically significant risk of taking paracetamol in pregnancy. It is important not to be ambiguous about stating this.

    There is a definite risk both to mother and child of not treating fevers in pregnancy and childhood. Leaving children and mothers to be to suffer without pain relief is just cruel.
    You are, of course, completely correct.
  • Huzzah, my iPhone is arriving tomorrow.

    Admire your new iPhone's graceful and elegant design as if it were a 17th Century goblet and then lock it away in a protective case because the interwebs think they are scratchy as flip.
  • CatMan said:

    Good to know I should avoid taking paracetamol if I don't want to become like Rain Man..😏 But he was pretty useful in the casino..🤔🤑

    Don't worry, it's only Acetaminophen they're talking about. Paracetamol is fine. ;)
    Exhibit 27:-

    Trump urges pregnant women to avoid Tylenol over unproven autism link
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx20d4lr67lo

    Once more, the BBC is uncritically regurgitating material from American channels. At least the papers translate Tylenol into English!
  • Btw did pb not cover RFKjr's autism theories a few weeks ago? Maybe The Donald lurks here.
  • One thing about the autism claims: at least they are asking the questions.

    Linking lung cancer to smoking was originally a statistical exercise, not pathology or physiology. And because doctors don't do statistics very well, for a long time the link was not taken seriously.

    Arguably we then lurched too far the other way and attributed every case to smoking, and patients who had never smoked, well, they must have caught it from passive smoking. Now, medics are starting to ask why there are still new cases despite almost no-one smoking, almost as if there must be other causal factors.

    And maybe that is where we are with autism.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    Andy_JS said:

    Pretending Joe Biden was okay as a candidate has resulted in this.

    "Trump links paracetamol use with autism"
    "Trump: Avoid hepatitis vaccine until children are 12"
    "Spread childhood vaccines over five years, says Trump"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/09/22/trump-autism-announcement-watch-live/

    Wow. Just wow.

    No. You are wrong. Trump, the GOP, and their supporters in the pubic and the media are responsible for this.
  • Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Christ, the Mail have got the paracetemol/autism thing on their front page. I'm sure their article will get round to the medical evidence but the "just asking questions" thing is just so hideously irresponsible.

    Expect a big increase in stomach ulcers as people switch to ibuprofen.

    This massive Swedish study found no connection.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    Keep taking the pills.
    That's not *quite* true; it found a very minor correlation that is not statistically significant, and may simply be chance. The children of mothers who took acetimponephien were about 0.2 percentage points more likely to be autistic than those who didn't (albeit once you controlled for siblings, even that minor correlation largely disappeared.)

    It *might* be the case that there's a tiny increased risk of autism from taking paracetamol, but it certainly doesn't *cause* autism.
    Of course, it's also entirely possible that illness/pain is correlated with autism, and people who are sick/in pain are more likely to take paracetamol.
    A (possibly the) major cause of the big rise in autism diagnosis is quite likely to be, simply the big rise in doctors diagnosing autism.

    Only a few decades back you had usually to be severely autistic to be diagnosed at all. There was no "on the spectrum" in popular culture.
    pb's own Leon was talking about this problem years ago, and questioning the usefulness of ‘autism spectrum disorder’ as a diagnostic category linking certified smartypants like Elon Musk with children who could not speak or dress themselves.
  • Lib Dem insiders tell me this strategy helps them kick on against the Tories in the Conservative heartlands that dislike Trump, while criticism of the US president and his sidekick Elon Musk also appeals to Labour voters who don't much like Sir Keir Starmer's kowtowing to Trump.
    https://news.sky.com/story/why-ed-davey-is-taking-the-fight-to-farage-despite-the-lib-dems-and-reform-sharing-few-voters-13436444
  • ..
    I see The Trump Man Show is reaching the jump the shark stage per episode.
    The horribly insidious thing about his bullshit is that it puts worms of doubt in the minds of reasonable people -what if there’s something in this Paracetamol/autism thing?
    This was illustrated on the R4 news yesterday when the banal but sane media doctors (one of the several van Tullekens I think) they had on didn’t want to commit absolutely to saying Trump was talking out of his arse. To paraphrase he was not an expert in this area of medicine and didn’t want to tell punters what they should be taking, but on all available evidence Paracetamol ’should’ be safe. Glad we cleared that up.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,116
    edited September 23
    School pulls ‘white guilt’ novel after parents complain
    Budmouth Academy in Weymouth removes ‘divisive’ book that left 14-year-old embarrassed and uncomfortable

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/22/school-pulls-white-guilt-novel-curriculum-parents-complain/ (£££)

    Not just Americans censoring school libraries!
  • Andy_JS said:

    Pretending Joe Biden was okay as a candidate has resulted in this.

    "Trump links paracetamol use with autism"
    "Trump: Avoid hepatitis vaccine until children are 12"
    "Spread childhood vaccines over five years, says Trump"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/09/22/trump-autism-announcement-watch-live/

    Wow. Just wow.

    No. You are wrong. Trump, the GOP, and their supporters in the pubic and the media are responsible for this.
    The right refusing to take responsibility for their own actions, exhibit 526.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681

    Andy_JS said:

    Pretending Joe Biden was okay as a candidate has resulted in this.

    "Trump links paracetamol use with autism"
    "Trump: Avoid hepatitis vaccine until children are 12"
    "Spread childhood vaccines over five years, says Trump"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/09/22/trump-autism-announcement-watch-live/

    Wow. Just wow.

    No. You are wrong. Trump, the GOP, and their supporters in the pubic and the media are responsible for this.
    We had to do stupid shit because we don't like our political opponents.

    Did Biden's decision not to decide he wouldn't run again a year earlier contribute to Trump's win ? Sure.

    Is anyone but the GOP, and those who voted for them, responsible for what a party, which controls all three branches of government and the Supreme Court, gets up to ?

    No.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681

    ..
    I see The Trump Man Show is reaching the jump the shark stage per episode.
    The horribly insidious thing about his bullshit is that it puts worms of doubt in the minds of reasonable people -what if there’s something in this Paracetamol/autism thing?
    This was illustrated on the R4 news yesterday when the banal but sane media doctors (one of the several van Tullekens I think) they had on didn’t want to commit absolutely to saying Trump was talking out of his arse. To paraphrase he was not an expert in this area of medicine and didn’t want to tell punters what they should be taking, but on all available evidence Paracetamol ’should’ be safe. Glad we cleared that up.

    That's what sanewashing is - treating as respectable opinion something that's palpable nonsense.
  • Lib Dem insiders tell me this strategy helps them kick on against the Tories in the Conservative heartlands that dislike Trump, while criticism of the US president and his sidekick Elon Musk also appeals to Labour voters who don't much like Sir Keir Starmer's kowtowing to Trump.
    https://news.sky.com/story/why-ed-davey-is-taking-the-fight-to-farage-despite-the-lib-dems-and-reform-sharing-few-voters-13436444
    And now we have Starmer wading in and all the time making sure Farage leads in the news media

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/23/keir-starmer-to-launch-progressive-fightback-against-decline-and-division-fuelled-by-far-right?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,066
    edited September 23
    I think I am just going to go and hide in my nuclear bomb shelter....can somebody give me a buzz when the world has gone back to normal please.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,116
    edited September 23

    Lib Dem insiders tell me this strategy helps them kick on against the Tories in the Conservative heartlands that dislike Trump, while criticism of the US president and his sidekick Elon Musk also appeals to Labour voters who don't much like Sir Keir Starmer's kowtowing to Trump.
    https://news.sky.com/story/why-ed-davey-is-taking-the-fight-to-farage-despite-the-lib-dems-and-reform-sharing-few-voters-13436444
    And now we have Starmer wading in and all the time making sure Farage leads in the news media

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/23/keir-starmer-to-launch-progressive-fightback-against-decline-and-division-fuelled-by-far-right?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    Short of sending food parcels to Kemi, it is hard to think what more Labour can do to shore up the Conservative Party than continually attack Farage.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,066
    edited September 23
    Porsche's stock tumbled by more than 7% on Monday after warning last week that delays in its electric vehicle (EV) rollout will dent the carmaker's 2025 earnings.

    Caught between electrification and its iconic petrol-powered sports cars, the German firm said it will slow its push for EVs as demand weakens. Shares of its parent Volkswagen also fell by more than 7% on the same day after saying it will spend billions to overhaul Porsche's line-up of vehicles.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdr6z6ryxv3o
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,815
    The UK approach to medicine in pregnancy did seem to be "don't take any medication if you can possibly avoid it", so Trump's madness probably pushes with the grain of UK advice.

    We ended up, when the NHS said "avoid this if you can" and not differentiating what actually might be harmful from its default abundance of caution, relying on the refreshingly no nonsense Australian pharmacopoeia, "yeah, usual avoid if you can note, but you'll be fine with these anti-histamines, Sheila".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,066
    edited September 23

    Lib Dem insiders tell me this strategy helps them kick on against the Tories in the Conservative heartlands that dislike Trump, while criticism of the US president and his sidekick Elon Musk also appeals to Labour voters who don't much like Sir Keir Starmer's kowtowing to Trump.
    https://news.sky.com/story/why-ed-davey-is-taking-the-fight-to-farage-despite-the-lib-dems-and-reform-sharing-few-voters-13436444
    And now we have Starmer wading in and all the time making sure Farage leads in the news media

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/23/keir-starmer-to-launch-progressive-fightback-against-decline-and-division-fuelled-by-far-right?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I am sure this is a retread of relaunch #2785.....when they tried to switch from the doom and gloom of their message in the first 6 months.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,066
    edited September 23
    Rachel Reeves has been urged to take 2p off the rate of employee national insurance and add it to income tax in her autumn budget, to raise billions of pounds while protecting workers’ pay packets.

    Putting forward plans to raise up to £30bn, the influential Resolution Foundation thinktank called on the chancellor to “level the playing field” on how different forms of income are taxed.

    The organisation, which has close connections with Labour ministers spearheading the budget preparations, urged Reeves to consider a sweeping package of measures to reshape the tax system.

    In a report that will be closely scrutinised in the Treasury, it said an additional £6bn a year could be raised through a policy to cut employee national insurance by 2p, with a corresponding increase for all income tax bands.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

    Now if they just cut to the chase and merged NI / IC....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,667

    One thing about the autism claims: at least they are asking the questions.

    Linking lung cancer to smoking was originally a statistical exercise, not pathology or physiology. And because doctors don't do statistics very well, for a long time the link was not taken seriously.

    Arguably we then lurched too far the other way and attributed every case to smoking, and patients who had never smoked, well, they must have caught it from passive smoking. Now, medics are starting to ask why there are still new cases despite almost no-one smoking, almost as if there must be other causal factors.

    And maybe that is where we are with autism.

    To be fair, the evidence for smoking and lung cancer (and other forms of death) was absolutely overwhelming.

    The problem with noting correlations on their own is that you will often miss the true issue. Let me give you an example: a correlation between places where lots of sunscreen is sold, and skin cancer rates. If you just look for correlations, you'll blame the sunscreen, and not the ... errr ... sun.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403

    Andy_JS said:

    Pretending Joe Biden was okay as a candidate has resulted in this.

    "Trump links paracetamol use with autism"
    "Trump: Avoid hepatitis vaccine until children are 12"
    "Spread childhood vaccines over five years, says Trump"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/09/22/trump-autism-announcement-watch-live/

    Wow. Just wow.

    No. You are wrong. Trump, the GOP, and their supporters in the pubic and the media are responsible for this.
    And Farage copies everything Trump does, right down to platforming anti-vaxxers at his conference.

    Enjoy the next few years because Farage is going to inflict the same carnage here, and it is nobodies fault apart from those voting for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,066
    edited September 23
    rcs1000 said:

    One thing about the autism claims: at least they are asking the questions.

    Linking lung cancer to smoking was originally a statistical exercise, not pathology or physiology. And because doctors don't do statistics very well, for a long time the link was not taken seriously.

    Arguably we then lurched too far the other way and attributed every case to smoking, and patients who had never smoked, well, they must have caught it from passive smoking. Now, medics are starting to ask why there are still new cases despite almost no-one smoking, almost as if there must be other causal factors.

    And maybe that is where we are with autism.

    To be fair, the evidence for smoking and lung cancer (and other forms of death) was absolutely overwhelming.

    The problem with noting correlations on their own is that you will often miss the true issue. Let me give you an example: a correlation between places where lots of sunscreen is sold, and skin cancer rates. If you just look for correlations, you'll blame the sunscreen, and not the ... errr ... sun.
    Well funny you should say that....there is actually an issue. The Koreans have developed chemical filters that are far better than for instance what is available in US and Australia, but due to established brands and cost of testing for the FDA approval, the Korean companies haven't done it, so what is available is inferior.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,403
    edited September 23

    Lib Dem insiders tell me this strategy helps them kick on against the Tories in the Conservative heartlands that dislike Trump, while criticism of the US president and his sidekick Elon Musk also appeals to Labour voters who don't much like Sir Keir Starmer's kowtowing to Trump.
    https://news.sky.com/story/why-ed-davey-is-taking-the-fight-to-farage-despite-the-lib-dems-and-reform-sharing-few-voters-13436444
    And now we have Starmer wading in and all the time making sure Farage leads in the news media

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/23/keir-starmer-to-launch-progressive-fightback-against-decline-and-division-fuelled-by-far-right?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    Short of sending food parcels to Kemi, it is hard to think what more Labour can do to shore up the Conservative Party than continually attack Farage.
    Labour stopping apeing of Farage would be progress.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,219

    Rachel Reeves has been urged to take 2p off the rate of employee national insurance and add it to income tax in her autumn budget, to raise billions of pounds while protecting workers’ pay packets.

    Putting forward plans to raise up to £30bn, the influential Resolution Foundation thinktank called on the chancellor to “level the playing field” on how different forms of income are taxed.

    The organisation, which has close connections with Labour ministers spearheading the budget preparations, urged Reeves to consider a sweeping package of measures to reshape the tax system.

    In a report that will be closely scrutinised in the Treasury, it said an additional £6bn a year could be raised through a policy to cut employee national insurance by 2p, with a corresponding increase for all income tax bands.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

    Now if they just cut to the chase and merged NI / IC....

    Ah good. I predicted this precise move a couple of weeks ago to a journalist, the same journalist who remembered I was the first to moot Labour doing something on employers’ NIC last year. I’ll have to remind her.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,219
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Pretending Joe Biden was okay as a candidate has resulted in this.

    "Trump links paracetamol use with autism"
    "Trump: Avoid hepatitis vaccine until children are 12"
    "Spread childhood vaccines over five years, says Trump"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/09/22/trump-autism-announcement-watch-live/

    Wow. Just wow.

    No. You are wrong. Trump, the GOP, and their supporters in the pubic and the media are responsible for this.
    We had to do stupid shit because we don't like our political opponents.

    Did Biden's decision not to decide he wouldn't run again a year earlier contribute to Trump's win ? Sure.

    Is anyone but the GOP, and those who voted for them, responsible for what a party, which controls all three branches of government and the Supreme Court, gets up to ?

    No.
    You just need to remember the hashtag: #FRITLF. Simple shortcut.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,631
    rcs1000 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    This is a kinda grim story :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clylxpjdx8wo

    Families accuse care home of 'neglect' and 'cruelty' after secret filming

    "As a BBC Disclosure reporter, I worked undercover as a cleaner in Castlehill Care Home in Inverness for seven weeks over the summer.

    In that time, I saw vulnerable elderly people left sitting alone for hours in urine-soaked clothes or lying in wet bedsheets, often calling out for help.

    I also saw a female resident screaming in distress over male carers doing intimate personal care, due to chronic staff shortages."

    Sadly, stories like this are all too common.

    Don't get old.
    Or be nice to your children. They choose your care home.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,392
    why are people over-complicating the new US government? Trump is simple-minded,that's all.

    He remains convinced by the last agreeable person he spoke to. Science is simple. Association equals causation ... Simples. That's why RFK gets on with him so well with him. His mindset is similar. Save half a billion dollars at a stroke by sacking everyone connected with research in messenger RNA. If you don't understand science, make it up as you go along. Easy-peasy. That's what Trump does, and no one seems to argue with him.

    Simple-minded used to be an insult, but not any longer,
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,543
    CD13 said:

    why are people over-complicating the new US government? Trump is simple-minded,that's all.

    He remains convinced by the last agreeable person he spoke to. Science is simple. Association equals causation ... Simples. That's why RFK gets on with him so well with him. His mindset is similar. Save half a billion dollars at a stroke by sacking everyone connected with research in messenger RNA. If you don't understand science, make it up as you go along. Easy-peasy. That's what Trump does, and no one seems to argue with him.

    Simple-minded used to be an insult, but not any longer,

    That's excusing RFK Jr. RFK Jr is many things, mostly bad, but he is not naive or stupid. He knows very well what the truth is, and what the science says. But by being contrarian he developed power and wealth; and now he is in power, being contrarian to the medical establishment continues to give him power amongst the GOP base.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Christ, the Mail have got the paracetemol/autism thing on their front page. I'm sure their article will get round to the medical evidence but the "just asking questions" thing is just so hideously irresponsible.

    Expect a big increase in stomach ulcers as people switch to ibuprofen.

    This massive Swedish study found no connection.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    Keep taking the pills.
    That's not *quite* true; it found a very minor correlation that is not statistically significant, and may simply be chance. The children of mothers who took acetimponephien were about 0.2 percentage points more likely to be autistic than those who didn't (albeit once you controlled for siblings, even that minor correlation largely disappeared.)

    It *might* be the case that there's a tiny increased risk of autism from taking paracetamol, but it certainly doesn't *cause* autism.
    Of course, it's also entirely possible that illness/pain is correlated with autism, and people who are sick/in pain are more likely to take paracetamol.
    A (possibly the) major cause of the big rise in autism diagnosis is quite likely to be, simply the big rise in doctors diagnosing autism.

    Only a few decades back you had usually to be severely autistic to be diagnosed at all. There was no "on the spectrum" in popular culture.
    How are you going to get your PIP without some sort of diagnosis?
  • CD13 said:

    why are people over-complicating the new US government? Trump is simple-minded,that's all.

    He remains convinced by the last agreeable person he spoke to. Science is simple. Association equals causation ... Simples. That's why RFK gets on with him so well with him. His mindset is similar. Save half a billion dollars at a stroke by sacking everyone connected with research in messenger RNA. If you don't understand science, make it up as you go along. Easy-peasy. That's what Trump does, and no one seems to argue with him.

    Simple-minded used to be an insult, but not any longer,

    That's excusing RFK Jr. RFK Jr is many things, mostly bad, but he is not naive or stupid. He knows very well what the truth is, and what the science says. But by being contrarian he developed power and wealth; and now he is in power, being contrarian to the medical establishment continues to give him power amongst the GOP base.
    No, he really is this stupid.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,994

    Rachel Reeves has been urged to take 2p off the rate of employee national insurance and add it to income tax in her autumn budget, to raise billions of pounds while protecting workers’ pay packets.

    Putting forward plans to raise up to £30bn, the influential Resolution Foundation thinktank called on the chancellor to “level the playing field” on how different forms of income are taxed.

    The organisation, which has close connections with Labour ministers spearheading the budget preparations, urged Reeves to consider a sweeping package of measures to reshape the tax system.

    In a report that will be closely scrutinised in the Treasury, it said an additional £6bn a year could be raised through a policy to cut employee national insurance by 2p, with a corresponding increase for all income tax bands.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

    Now if they just cut to the chase and merged NI / IC....

    That is in effect a merger of (employee) NICs/IT. If they knock off 2% each year then they are gone, which is the kind of gradual but radical reform I think is best.

    My concern is mixing a reform with a tax rise - I really don't want to see a sensible change undermined by the backlash, so if raise IT by less than 2p.
  • Will this cause the final aneurism?

    https://x.com/Colonel_Myway/status/1970215485678723189
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,681
    Whether this stands up in court is a slightly open question, but given the right wing Supreme Court majority very rarely pushes back on even the most outrageous claims of executive power, I wouldn't bet against it.

    Effectively an enabling law for tyranny, given that ANTIFA isn't any kind of organised thing, or even one thing, so can be extremely broadly defined - and support for it even more so.

    Trump’s EO designating ANTIFA as a domestic terrorist org is worded so that anyone protesting ICE agents, filming or asking them for ID, or informing people of their rights, can be charged as a domestic terrorist.
    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1970286732362018842
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,164

    Rachel Reeves has been urged to take 2p off the rate of employee national insurance and add it to income tax in her autumn budget, to raise billions of pounds while protecting workers’ pay packets.

    Putting forward plans to raise up to £30bn, the influential Resolution Foundation thinktank called on the chancellor to “level the playing field” on how different forms of income are taxed.

    The organisation, which has close connections with Labour ministers spearheading the budget preparations, urged Reeves to consider a sweeping package of measures to reshape the tax system.

    In a report that will be closely scrutinised in the Treasury, it said an additional £6bn a year could be raised through a policy to cut employee national insurance by 2p, with a corresponding increase for all income tax bands.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

    Now if they just cut to the chase and merged NI / IC....

    This would be a positive step, but would they really do it after hiking employer NI last year? It sends a rather confused message. Though this is Labour, whose whole message is confused, so maybe.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,994
    Eabhal said:

    Rachel Reeves has been urged to take 2p off the rate of employee national insurance and add it to income tax in her autumn budget, to raise billions of pounds while protecting workers’ pay packets.

    Putting forward plans to raise up to £30bn, the influential Resolution Foundation thinktank called on the chancellor to “level the playing field” on how different forms of income are taxed.

    The organisation, which has close connections with Labour ministers spearheading the budget preparations, urged Reeves to consider a sweeping package of measures to reshape the tax system.

    In a report that will be closely scrutinised in the Treasury, it said an additional £6bn a year could be raised through a policy to cut employee national insurance by 2p, with a corresponding increase for all income tax bands.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

    Now if they just cut to the chase and merged NI / IC....

    That is in effect a merger of (employee) NICs/IT. If they knock off 2% each year then they are gone, which is the kind of gradual but radical reform I think is best.

    My concern is mixing a reform with a tax rise - I really don't want to see a sensible change undermined by the backlash, so if raise IT by less than 2p.
    (I'd also add that the distribution of NICs across incomes is quite weird. There are a number of options for how to merge them but it isn't uncomplicated, with winners and losers and lots of different rates and thresholds to sort out).
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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,025
    Ashcroft Polling’s summary of the likely outcome of a Reform-Tory deal: ” the comparatively small advantages of a Conservative-Reform Alliance in consolidating the right of centre vote may be outweighed by galvanising the anti-right forces in British politics.”
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,074
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Christ, the Mail have got the paracetemol/autism thing on their front page. I'm sure their article will get round to the medical evidence but the "just asking questions" thing is just so hideously irresponsible.

    Expect a big increase in stomach ulcers as people switch to ibuprofen.

    This massive Swedish study found no connection.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    Keep taking the pills.
    That's not *quite* true; it found a very minor correlation that is not statistically significant, and may simply be chance. The children of mothers who took acetimponephien were about 0.2 percentage points more likely to be autistic than those who didn't (albeit once you controlled for siblings, even that minor correlation largely disappeared.)

    It *might* be the case that there's a tiny increased risk of autism from taking paracetamol, but it certainly doesn't *cause* autism.
    Of course, it's also entirely possible that illness/pain is correlated with autism, and people who are sick/in pain are more likely to take paracetamol.
    I think there is no statistically significant risk of taking paracetamol in pregnancy. It is important not to be ambiguous about stating this.

    There is a definite risk both to mother and child of not treating fevers in pregnancy and childhood. Leaving children and mothers to be to suffer without pain relief is just cruel.
    The BBC has improved their headline on Today from what it was overnight.

    But “President Trump has stated that paracetamol [not going to finish] without providing any evidence”

    Is still not good enough.

    This is a claim that will prevent thousands of women seeking appropriate medical care. They shouldn’t be promoting it.
  • The 'highlights' of the senile rant. The one truthful thing is him saying 'this is based on what I feel'.

    https://x.com/mermaidmamamags/status/1970296171437699498
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,074

    Rachel Reeves has been urged to take 2p off the rate of employee national insurance and add it to income tax in her autumn budget, to raise billions of pounds while protecting workers’ pay packets.

    Putting forward plans to raise up to £30bn, the influential Resolution Foundation thinktank called on the chancellor to “level the playing field” on how different forms of income are taxed.

    The organisation, which has close connections with Labour ministers spearheading the budget preparations, urged Reeves to consider a sweeping package of measures to reshape the tax system.

    In a report that will be closely scrutinised in the Treasury, it said an additional £6bn a year could be raised through a policy to cut employee national insurance by 2p, with a corresponding increase for all income tax bands.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

    Now if they just cut to the chase and merged NI / IC....

    The merger isn’t trivial because there are a lot of things which hang on NICs

    - move the rates around now (gradually)
    - Start a process to align the bands
    - Commission a study to figure out where teller links are and how to replace them

    That’s probably a 3 year process but then the next chancellor can merge them
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