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First poll has Powell leading Phillipson by 17 points – politicalbetting.com

? BREAKING: exclusive @Survation and LabourList polling shows Lucy Powell leads Bridget Phillipson in the race to be Labour deputy leader by 17 points. https://t.co/Iz27hFAI7F

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    First?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    Lol, Starmer is so finished
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,265
    If Lucy Powell is the future we might as well hand over to Farage and Robinson now.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    No surprise whatsoever, and when labour has 59% of its members unfavourably to Starmer as well, the writing must be on the wall

    It may not happen immediately but if May is as bad as most expect he will have a very serious problem
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,062
    Surely if you’re going off strength as a political communicator, Phillipson is miles ahead (personally she’s not my cup of tea. But in a contest with Powell she is the one with significantly more talent IMHO).

    So it’s instructive if this poll is correct quite how important having a “non-government” figure is to members.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
    It gives me some consolation, as Britain goes down a Starmer-shaped khazi, that most sensible Britons share my outright loathing of this nauseating dork
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    No surprise whatsoever, and when labour has 59% of its members unfavourably to Starmer as well, the writing must be on the wall

    It may not happen immediately but if May is as bad as most expect he will have a very serious problem

    He wont make May Big G
    Gone by Xmas as Cleverly says (although he now says gone by the weekend at this rate!)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,855
    edited September 15
    On a strange political day, why kids should walk to school ! It's all so much simpler.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tVZ_eY8qvm8
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    After a landslide just over a year ago
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    edited September 15
    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
    It gives me some consolation, as Britain goes down a Starmer-shaped khazi, that most sensible Britons share my outright loathing of this nauseating dork
    Ive been loathing all things Labour since I joined in 2006. SKS is the latest in a long ass line
    And yes, i did vote Grandpa in 2017 to piss off my Kipper girlfriend
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    No surprise whatsoever, and when labour has 59% of its members unfavourably to Starmer as well, the writing must be on the wall

    It may not happen immediately but if May is as bad as most expect he will have a very serious problem

    Yes, I expect him to go after May ‘26, if not before, unless we get a black swan
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    No surprise whatsoever, and when labour has 59% of its members unfavourably to Starmer as well, the writing must be on the wall

    It may not happen immediately but if May is as bad as most expect he will have a very serious problem

    He wont make May Big G
    Gone by Xmas as Cleverly says (although he now says gone by the weekend at this rate!)
    It's quite hard to get rid of a Labour Leader, though. And if you're a Labour MP, you probably want the new leader honeymoon to be slightly closer to the next election.

    And if you are a Labour backbencher, and you see Andy Burnham as the best way of ... maximizing your chance ... of keeping your salary and benefits, then now really isn't the time.

    So, I'm with @Big_G_NorthWales on this: next May following the Locals at the earliest.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,891
    Mexicanpete said:

    If Lucy Powell is the future we might as well hand over to Farage and Robinson now.

    We shouldn’t worry. After all @Foxy assured is that Phillipson is “formidable”
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Lol. Oh jesus. Its over man, its over
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    Mexicanpete said:

    If Lucy Powell is the future we might as well hand over to Farage and Robinson now.

    Starmer has only himself to blame, and I expect a large number of labour members are dismayed by Mandelson's appointment and it looks like he is going to pay a heavy price
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    This is absolutely catastrophic for Starmer, inter alia

    This is his BIG PLAN

    They can’t even deport ONE migrant
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Take that back. The migrant wasn't flying Business Class.

    He was supposed to go La Première.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
    It gives me some consolation, as Britain goes down a Starmer-shaped khazi, that most sensible Britons share my outright loathing of this nauseating dork
    Still, at least most sensible Britons didn’t vote for him.
    That leaves the unsensible and the insensible.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,497
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Of course this would happen. No surprise at all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    So a boost for Burnham's candidate Powell then in the race to be Labour members pet, Lammy will be Deputy PM still regardless.

    Terrible ratings from Starmer amongst his own members and not great for his candidate Philippson ether.

    Fortunately for him he can only face a direct leadership challenge, not a VONC under Labour rules and his biggest threat, Burnham, is not an MP

  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    edited September 15
    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Lol. Oh jesus. Its over man, its over
    It’s incredible. Meanwhile under this deal the French will still be formally sending their migrants to us

    Also, this:

    “Although the first migrant on Tuesday is due to be put up in a hotel on arrival, officials said the plan was for them to be placed in a reception centre from which they will be free to come and go.

    “Didier Leschi, director general of the French office for immigration and integration, said the migrants could “try again” to cross to the UK”

    So they are completely free to just go to Calais and try again

    How much are we paying Paris for this?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    rcs1000 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    No surprise whatsoever, and when labour has 59% of its members unfavourably to Starmer as well, the writing must be on the wall

    It may not happen immediately but if May is as bad as most expect he will have a very serious problem

    He wont make May Big G
    Gone by Xmas as Cleverly says (although he now says gone by the weekend at this rate!)
    It's quite hard to get rid of a Labour Leader, though. And if you're a Labour MP, you probably want the new leader honeymoon to be slightly closer to the next election.

    And if you are a Labour backbencher, and you see Andy Burnham as the best way of ... maximizing your chance ... of keeping your salary and benefits, then now really isn't the time.

    So, I'm with @Big_G_NorthWales on this: next May following the Locals at the earliest.
    They'll find a way. The damage he could do to Labour in 8 months is immense. Hes almost destroyed them in the last 14 after all
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Sky were reporting from Paris on the expected flights and nobody came

    They suggested the lawyers were involved in objecting similar to Rwanda

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,189
    edited September 15
    Mexicanpete said:

    If Lucy Powell is the future we might as well hand over to Farage and Robinson now.

    Powell would be fine, and her politics are very similar to Phillipsons, both being soft left. I also don't think Starmer is particularly close to Phillipson, indeed he seems a little afraid of her.

    Powell does have a softer, more congenial manner, but I am not sure that is what Labour needs right now.

    I don't have a vote of course, I left the party over 2 decades ago, but Mrs Foxy does.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,497
    Mexicanpete said:

    If Lucy Powell is the future we might as well hand over to Farage and Robinson now.

    Bridget Phillipson is probably the most impressive person in the Labour party at the moment, along with perhaps Wes Streeting. Mindboggling that they would prefer Lucy Powell.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,145
    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Lol. Oh jesus. Its over man, its over
    It’s incredible. Meanwhile under this deal the French will still be formally sending their migrants to us

    Also, this:

    “Although the first migrant on Tuesday is due to be put up in a hotel on arrival, officials said the plan was for them to be placed in a reception centre from which they will be free to come and go.

    “Didier Leschi, director general of the French office for immigration and integration, said the migrants could “try again” to cross to the UK”

    So they are completely free to just go to Calais and try again

    How much are we paying Paris for this?
    On the plus side, it wasn't held up by French air traffic control strikes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    I’m raising my odds of Starmer going by next summer to 65%
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,062
    edited September 15
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    You can’t fix the problem using the underlying system. It just doesn’t work. You’d think this would have dawned on Labour before now, unless they just assume that it was purely because the Tories were horrible people as to why it wasn’t working before.*

    *actually, I think that’s precisely the assumption.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    numbertwelve said:

    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    You can’t fix the problem using the underlying system. It just doesn’t work. You’d think this would have dawned on Labour before now, unless they just assume that it was purely because the Tories were horrible people as to why it wasn’t working before.*

    *actually, I think that’s precisely the assumption.
    Yes, I believe you’re right
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,855
    edited September 15
    Hmmm.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    Leon said:

    I’m raising my odds of Starmer going by next summer to 65%

    Im sure the Trump deal for us to all have a personal chlorinated chicken (owl substitute) in return for all our aluminium and 47.62% tarriffs will save him
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    numbertwelve said:

    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    You can’t fix the problem using the underlying system. It just doesn’t work. You’d think this would have dawned on Labour before now, unless they just assume that it was purely because the Tories were horrible people as to why it wasn’t working before.*

    *actually, I think that’s precisely the assumption.

    This is the Telegraph

    First ‘one in, one out’ migrant flight cancelled after protests

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/15/first-one-in-one-out-migrant-flight-cancelled-protests/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited September 15
    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    Reform's austerity in Derbyshire makes even the Coalition's from 2010-2015 look small fry by comparison
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,293
    That poll is no surprise. I can’t think of a single Labour supporting friend who likes Starmer . Chasing Reform voters has gone down like a bucket of sick , his Trump sycophancy and spineless performance on Gaza are the other things mentioned .

    Admittedly my Labour friends aren’t from the Red Wall and will be classed as the smashed avocado on toast brigade but Labour still need those votes if they’re not to sink without trace .

    Labour might not be able to maintain their juggling act , their coalition of voters seem irreconcilable now .

    They’re losing twice as many voters to the left than to Reform.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,252
    edited September 15
    At this point the Labour Party has no choice. Yes it’s hard to do, but Starmer is a slo-mo Truss with added elements of treachery. He is despised by his own party, let alone the country

    They have to move against him. Now. Kick him out. YumYumGate maybe provides a rare opportunity. Bring him down or continue into the abyss
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,550
    Leon said:

    At this point the Labour Party has no choice. Yes it’s hard to do, but Starmer is a slo-mo Truss with added elements of treachery. He is despised by his own party, let alone the country

    They have to move against him. Now. Kick him out. YumYumGate maybe provides a rare opportunity. Bring him down or continue into the abyss

    Those maggots not agree with your large intestine?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,957
    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Lol. Oh jesus. Its over man, its over
    “That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?”
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    edited September 15
    Deleted, thought it was a journalist
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,062
    Believe it or not, we’re still over 10 weeks out from the budget everyone is looking forward to… it’s hard to see a meaningful reset take place before that comes along and cements another round of negative headlines.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    nico67 said:

    That poll is no surprise. I can’t think of a single Labour supporting friend who likes Starmer . Chasing Reform voters has gone down like a bucket of sick , his Trump sycophancy and spineless performance on Gaza are the other things mentioned .

    Admittedly my Labour friends aren’t from the Red Wall and will be classed as the smashed avocado on toast brigade but Labour still need those votes if they’re not to sink without trace .

    Labour might not be able to maintain their juggling act , their coalition of voters seem irreconcilable now .

    They’re losing twice as many voters to the left than to Reform.

    Burnham has a +7% rating with all voters to -44% for Starmer, -35% for Badenoch and -31% for Farage.

    So that is why Labour MPs see him as their Messiah
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52586-political-favourability-ratings-july-2025
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,293
    Malmesbury said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    Lol. Oh jesus. Its over man, its over
    “That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?”
    To think that’s nearly 40 years old ! Where did the time go .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,189
    nico67 said:

    That poll is no surprise. I can’t think of a single Labour supporting friend who likes Starmer . Chasing Reform voters has gone down like a bucket of sick , his Trump sycophancy and spineless performance on Gaza are the other things mentioned .

    Admittedly my Labour friends aren’t from the Red Wall and will be classed as the smashed avocado on toast brigade but Labour still need those votes if they’re not to sink without trace .

    Labour might not be able to maintain their juggling act , their coalition of voters seem irreconcilable now .

    They’re losing twice as many voters to the left than to Reform.

    Yes, I dont know any too, and it is notable that there are no Starmer supporters on here, or amongst the former PBers on BlueSky.

    It's only a matter of time before he goes, but tricky to have a contest at present, while there is no Deputy Leader.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    They’ve pressed the Broon emergency intervention button.

    ‘I think once the record is out, Keir Starmer will be completely exonerated.’

    https://x.com/skypoliticshub/status/1967660800895517107?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,062
    Theuniondivvie said:

    They’ve pressed the Broon emergency intervention button.

    ‘I think once the record is out, Keir Starmer will be completely exonerated.’

    https://x.com/skypoliticshub/status/1967660800895517107?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Gordon Brown looks like a political colossus and a paragon of stable, competent leadership compared to SKS.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Omnium said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Omnium said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    8 people charged after 'Unite the Kingdom' protest

    There really needs to be a charge of being really embarrassing and entirely failing to understand history or the way to behave.

    I find all 100,000 guilty.
    And there lies the problem

    As Trevor Phillips has just said in an interview on Sky that he mingled with the crowd at the March and he was struck just how normal they were and certainly not of the right

    He went on to say that the Labour and Conservative Party are barely at 40% combined in the polls, and that is because they are simply not relating to people’s concerns

    He said the asylum hotels are a particular problem in communities where family's had either had a wedding reception there, or a celebration, or a dance, and now saw them taken over by the asylum seekers which is upsetting their communities

    Now, Sir Trevor Phillips, who was once head of the Equalties and Human Rights Commissioner, is probably one of the best journalists in the media at present and is well worth listening too

    You cannot simply condemn 100,000 people who may even be your neighbours, because you try to associate them with the unacceptable face of the far right because they aren't
    No, no. I feel I can simply condemn them. And let it be a lesson to them!

    And especially so if they are my neighbours. Rabble to a man!

    Seriously the antics of these people are unacceptable. Much as the antics of the violent football fans were in the 80s and 90s. The leaders of this sort of thing should be horribly ashamed of themselves and much of their following too.

    The antics of the Palestine mob similarly, and pretty much all the mobs that have ever congregated,
    And so it goes on and Farage grows stronger

    And only 8 arrests so far and less than expected
    Could the small number of arrests be partly down to the fact that the Police appear to have been overwhelmed by the sheer numbers that turned up on the march and hence the large number of police officers who were injured during the outbreaks of violence when they clearly lost control of the situation?
    24 arrests, 8 charges, by Sunday.

    A number of people turned off onto Victoria Embankment to get out of the crowds which was understandable.

    However, we then saw large crowds ignore police directions, turning left up Horse Guards Avenue, Whitehall Place, Northumberland Avenue and Craven Street in an effort to get into Whitehall, including into sterile areas and areas occupied by those taking part in the Stand Up To Racism protest.

    When officers intervened to block their path they were assaulted with kicks and punches. Bottles, flares and other projectiles were also thrown and concerted attempts to get past barriers were made.
    ...
    “The violence they faced was wholly unacceptable. 26 officers were injured, including four seriously – among them broken teeth, a possible broken nose, a concussion, a prolapsed disc and a head injury,

    “The 25 (corrected to 24) arrests we have made so far is just the start. Our post-event investigation has already begun – we are identifying those who were involved in the disorder and they can expect to face robust police action in the coming days and weeks."
    https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-26-officers-injured-in-disorder-at-central-london-protest-501006
    I just don’t believe the police. Not any more. Fuck them
    24 arrests is nothing for a 300k crowd. Notting Hill carnival had more than double the arrest rate and over 100 knives and other weapons including guns were confiscated.

    The march was largely very peaceful, nothing like the hard left ones we've had in past smashing up central London, vandalising memorials and generally causing mayhem.

    The liberal media mafia can't stand that there's no actual hard evidence that there was "unruly violence" so now they're just making it up with a compliant police putting out nonsense PR.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,550
    Theuniondivvie said:

    They’ve pressed the Broon emergency intervention button.

    ‘I think once the record is out, Keir Starmer will be completely exonerated.’

    https://x.com/skypoliticshub/status/1967660800895517107?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    But when? A week? 30 years at Kew? 100 years?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,550
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Omnium said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Omnium said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    8 people charged after 'Unite the Kingdom' protest

    There really needs to be a charge of being really embarrassing and entirely failing to understand history or the way to behave.

    I find all 100,000 guilty.
    And there lies the problem

    As Trevor Phillips has just said in an interview on Sky that he mingled with the crowd at the March and he was struck just how normal they were and certainly not of the right

    He went on to say that the Labour and Conservative Party are barely at 40% combined in the polls, and that is because they are simply not relating to people’s concerns

    He said the asylum hotels are a particular problem in communities where family's had either had a wedding reception there, or a celebration, or a dance, and now saw them taken over by the asylum seekers which is upsetting their communities

    Now, Sir Trevor Phillips, who was once head of the Equalties and Human Rights Commissioner, is probably one of the best journalists in the media at present and is well worth listening too

    You cannot simply condemn 100,000 people who may even be your neighbours, because you try to associate them with the unacceptable face of the far right because they aren't
    No, no. I feel I can simply condemn them. And let it be a lesson to them!

    And especially so if they are my neighbours. Rabble to a man!

    Seriously the antics of these people are unacceptable. Much as the antics of the violent football fans were in the 80s and 90s. The leaders of this sort of thing should be horribly ashamed of themselves and much of their following too.

    The antics of the Palestine mob similarly, and pretty much all the mobs that have ever congregated,
    And so it goes on and Farage grows stronger

    And only 8 arrests so far and less than expected
    Could the small number of arrests be partly down to the fact that the Police appear to have been overwhelmed by the sheer numbers that turned up on the march and hence the large number of police officers who were injured during the outbreaks of violence when they clearly lost control of the situation?
    24 arrests, 8 charges, by Sunday.

    A number of people turned off onto Victoria Embankment to get out of the crowds which was understandable.

    However, we then saw large crowds ignore police directions, turning left up Horse Guards Avenue, Whitehall Place, Northumberland Avenue and Craven Street in an effort to get into Whitehall, including into sterile areas and areas occupied by those taking part in the Stand Up To Racism protest.

    When officers intervened to block their path they were assaulted with kicks and punches. Bottles, flares and other projectiles were also thrown and concerted attempts to get past barriers were made.
    ...
    “The violence they faced was wholly unacceptable. 26 officers were injured, including four seriously – among them broken teeth, a possible broken nose, a concussion, a prolapsed disc and a head injury,

    “The 25 (corrected to 24) arrests we have made so far is just the start. Our post-event investigation has already begun – we are identifying those who were involved in the disorder and they can expect to face robust police action in the coming days and weeks."
    https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-26-officers-injured-in-disorder-at-central-london-protest-501006
    I just don’t believe the police. Not any more. Fuck them
    24 arrests is nothing for a 300k crowd. Notting Hill carnival had more than double the arrest rate and over 100 knives and other weapons including guns were confiscated.

    The march was largely very peaceful, nothing like the hard left ones we've had in past smashing up central London, vandalising memorials and generally causing mayhem.

    The liberal media mafia can't stand that there's no actual hard evidence that there was "unruly violence" so now they're just making it up with a compliant police putting out nonsense PR.
    Still too early to say. As discussed yesterday and today.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,497
    Leon said:

    At this point the Labour Party has no choice. Yes it’s hard to do, but Starmer is a slo-mo Truss with added elements of treachery. He is despised by his own party, let alone the country

    They have to move against him. Now. Kick him out. YumYumGate maybe provides a rare opportunity. Bring him down or continue into the abyss

    The Labour Party never removes leaders. Can't see that changing.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Leon said:

    OMG they can’t even do THIS

    “The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute.

    The Telegraph understands that one migrant was due to be flown from Heathrow to Paris on an Air France passenger flight on Monday, but the flight was postponed amid protests by charities and threats of legal action.”

    It’s beyond surreal. They can’t fly one migrant to Paris, Business Class

    They might as well hand the keys to Number 10 to Nige.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,844
    edited September 15
    wooliedyed said:

    Lol, Starmer is so finished

    Remember that Labour were going to end the psychodramas and disasters, and Starmer was a consummate technocrat and brilliant administrator who would bring back competence and restore stability.

    And a few of the more gullible even believed them as though a Labour government has ever ended well.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,979
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    Reform's austerity in Derbyshire makes even the Coalition's from 2010-2015 look small fry by comparison
    Have they started insisting people write an email saying the five things they actually did this week?

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    That poll is no surprise. I can’t think of a single Labour supporting friend who likes Starmer . Chasing Reform voters has gone down like a bucket of sick , his Trump sycophancy and spineless performance on Gaza are the other things mentioned .

    Admittedly my Labour friends aren’t from the Red Wall and will be classed as the smashed avocado on toast brigade but Labour still need those votes if they’re not to sink without trace .

    Labour might not be able to maintain their juggling act , their coalition of voters seem irreconcilable now .

    They’re losing twice as many voters to the left than to Reform.

    Burnham has a +7% rating with all voters to -44% for Starmer, -35% for Badenoch and -31% for Farage.

    So that is why Labour MPs see him as their Messiah
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52586-political-favourability-ratings-july-2025
    Hang on - that was July

    I am far more interested in current polling as so much has changed
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,414
    Cratering in the polls, beset by scandal, enemies circling. I'm going to call it: Keir Starmer will not be PM on 1st September 2026
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,154
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    At this point the Labour Party has no choice. Yes it’s hard to do, but Starmer is a slo-mo Truss with added elements of treachery. He is despised by his own party, let alone the country

    They have to move against him. Now. Kick him out. YumYumGate maybe provides a rare opportunity. Bring him down or continue into the abyss

    The Labour Party never removes leaders. Can't see that changing.
    Blair would have gone on longer given the choice I think. But in any case, this is uncharted territory, with Labour’s polling dipping into the teens. I am of a mind that next May is too long for them to wait and he’ll be gone far sooner.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited September 15
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    That poll is no surprise. I can’t think of a single Labour supporting friend who likes Starmer . Chasing Reform voters has gone down like a bucket of sick , his Trump sycophancy and spineless performance on Gaza are the other things mentioned .

    Admittedly my Labour friends aren’t from the Red Wall and will be classed as the smashed avocado on toast brigade but Labour still need those votes if they’re not to sink without trace .

    Labour might not be able to maintain their juggling act , their coalition of voters seem irreconcilable now .

    They’re losing twice as many voters to the left than to Reform.

    Burnham has a +7% rating with all voters to -44% for Starmer, -35% for Badenoch and -31% for Farage.

    So that is why Labour MPs see him as their Messiah
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52586-political-favourability-ratings-july-2025
    Hang on - that was July

    I am far more interested in current polling as so much has changed
    In TWO months, don't be ridiculous. I doubt there would be more than a percentage point difference on those net approvals, except for maybe Starmer being even worse
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,315
    BlancheLivermore said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    If it's 20% overstaffed, then surely it needs cutting by 16.67% not 20%
    Ignoring the hyperbole for a moment, there is a valid point about the use of agency staff which many Councils employ on a contract basis. It's a way of filling posts quickly rather than going through a lengthy recruitment process.

    IF Derbyshire think they can save money by getting rid of agency staff, I'd be interested to hear which roles they wish to delete and how they expect to cover the activities no longer being covered.

    IF they simply want to take control of the recruitment process from Manpower or whoever, fine, but that will mean using their own recruitment process to re-employ the staff.

    I remember the Reform leader of Kent County Council making a similar point about the cost of employing staff using agencies.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,979
    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    “We depend on the Chinese market. And right now we have zero sold. It's a 5 alarm fire for our industry. The Chinese are going elsewhere. American soybean farmers and their families are suffering.” - American Soybean Farmer

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1967670728679182423

    ====

    The farmer is from Kentucky. 64% vote for Trump 2.0.

    He told you he wanted tariffs.

    You make your choices and you live by them.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,414
    Theuniondivvie said:

    They’ve pressed the Broon emergency intervention button.

    ‘I think once the record is out, Keir Starmer will be completely exonerated.’

    https://x.com/skypoliticshub/status/1967660800895517107?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No-one is saying Starmer broke any rules. It is his judgement that is the problem.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    That poll is no surprise. I can’t think of a single Labour supporting friend who likes Starmer . Chasing Reform voters has gone down like a bucket of sick , his Trump sycophancy and spineless performance on Gaza are the other things mentioned .

    Admittedly my Labour friends aren’t from the Red Wall and will be classed as the smashed avocado on toast brigade but Labour still need those votes if they’re not to sink without trace .

    Labour might not be able to maintain their juggling act , their coalition of voters seem irreconcilable now .

    They’re losing twice as many voters to the left than to Reform.

    Burnham has a +7% rating with all voters to -44% for Starmer, -35% for Badenoch and -31% for Farage.

    So that is why Labour MPs see him as their Messiah
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52586-political-favourability-ratings-july-2025
    Hang on - that was July

    I am far more interested in current polling as so much has changed
    In TWO months, don't be ridiculous. I doubt there would be more than a percentage point difference on those net approvals, except for maybe Starmer being even worse
    I am not the one being ridiculous here
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    They’ve pressed the Broon emergency intervention button.

    ‘I think once the record is out, Keir Starmer will be completely exonerated.’

    https://x.com/skypoliticshub/status/1967660800895517107?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    No-one is saying Starmer broke any rules. It is his judgement that is the problem.
    The warning signs were there about Starmers judgement all the way along...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    Fishing said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Lol, Starmer is so finished

    Remember that Labour were going to end the psychodramas and disasters, and Starmer was a consummate technocrat and brilliant administrator who would bring back competence and restore stability.

    And a few of the more gullible even believed them as though a Labour government has ever ended well.
    ‘Please sir, please sir, I know who one of the more gullible is!’
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,979
    Give me fucking strength.

    It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

  • isamisam Posts: 42,631
    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
    It gives me some consolation, as Britain goes down a Starmer-shaped khazi, that most sensible Britons share my outright loathing of this nauseating dork
    Tipping Jess Phillips to be next Labour leader at 50/1 aside, I stand be when I said five years ago in this header, particularly…

    “Last month, Keir Starmer appeared on the television in my front room to give his response to the Prime Minister’s Covid-19 statement. A few seconds later my eyes glazed over, a few more passed and I switched the tv off saying “Jesus, he is dull”. It set me thinking that in a world of Reality tv, tiktok, snapchat, (none of which I am a fan of), and general instant gratification, (which I kind of am) Starmer was too boring to be Prime Minister. Those with a keen interest in politics scrutinise policies, but it could be that a significant minority, perhaps even a small majority, of the public prefer someone they can imagine mucking in on I’m a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/06/the-case-for-making-personality-ratings-a-good-electoral-indicator/

    Fav to be next PM was indeed a contestant on said show



  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,189
    Interesting comment in the Labour List article, via the header:

    "One member summed up this sentiment when given the opportunity to comment. He had voted for Starmer in the 2020 contest but now feels:

    “The leadership needs to be made aware how unhappy the members are with the direction of government and how it’s functioning. I like Bridget Phillipson and think she would make a great Deputy Leader. But as she is seen to be the Leadership candidate I cannot support her in this contest.”

    Firstly, that is a very poor reason to choose a Deputy Leader. Secondly, Phillipson could well gain some of those votes by criticising the direction of travel of Starmer, showing a bit of clear red water between her and him.

    Also, it implies that such a member is not going to support someone seen as even closer to Starmer such as Lammy or Streeting.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    geoffw said:

    His most astute comment yet

    "What's your advice for Keir Starmer?"
    Brown: " My advice is not to take my advice"

    Will Starmer take that advice or will his logic circuits burn out?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,891
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    Reform's austerity in Derbyshire makes even the Coalition's from 2010-2015 look small fry by comparison
    Have they started insisting people write an email saying the five things they actually did this week?

    Who gets up in the morning and thinks that shirt-tie-jacket combo is a good idea?!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,932
    "KEEP CALMER AND OUST STARMER"

    :lol:
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,264
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    Reform's austerity in Derbyshire makes even the Coalition's from 2010-2015 look small fry by comparison
    Max will be against. It should be 50 percent.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited September 15
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    "KEEP CALMER AND OUST STARMER"

    :lol:

    :D
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
    Just getting her back would be a very good move irrespective of leadership ambitions
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    rottenborough said:

    Give me fucking strength.

    It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

    So is your contention that all 300k who went on the march are Nazis? Do not you see how that kind of rhetoric fuels actual violence. Some idiot might get it in their head that shooting or stabbing these people is "good" because they're "Nazis anyway".

    This is exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to people killing other people for no reason.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    turbotubbs said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    Reform's austerity in Derbyshire makes even the Coalition's from 2010-2015 look small fry by comparison
    Max will be against. It should be 50 percent.
    20% is a good start, they need to up that to 50% over time though. Get rid of as many admin and management staff as possible.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,979
    StillWaters said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.20% is 2000 positions.

    The leader of Derbyshire County Council has said the authority is "20% overstaffed" and he wants to cut jobs to make the council "lean and mean".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r0z1zkq4ko

    Reform's austerity in Derbyshire makes even the Coalition's from 2010-2015 look small fry by comparison
    Have they started insisting people write an email saying the five things they actually did this week?

    Who gets up in the morning and thinks that shirt-tie-jacket combo is a good idea?!
    It's certainly a nightmare for TV cameras.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
    She needs to be an MP again.

    What is Rishi doing hanging around in Westminster?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited September 15
    rottenborough said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread: Daughter #3 did the eleven plus today.
    We don't really expect her to pass. When her oldest sister did it passing was the preserve of the top 25%, now it's significantly harder. And, what with the ADHD, she faces her own challenges. Still, she did her best and - in contrast to many - didn't come out crying. She didn't panic when unfamiliar material came up. So I'm proud of her.
    We'll now be £2-3k a year better off as six years of paying for tutors (two years for each child).

    I'm pretty ambivalent about the grammar school system. The whole process of what ten year olds in Trafford (and adjacent postcodes) have to go through seems ridiculous and ridiculously costly. Still, we've done pretty well out of it: my oldest two have ended up at what are probably the right schools for them; my youngest will probably also end up at the right school for her (indeed, if she does have, it will cause us a problem, so memtally geared are we all to the local High school).

    Anyway - the rest of year 6 will be a breeze now.
    What did she choose for her post-11+ treat? A small box of Ferrero Rocher.

    Best of luck to her.

    Seems odd to hear of the 'eleven plus' these days.

    Still decides every secondary attended in Kent, Bucks and Lincolnshire, as well as grammar entry in Chelmsford, Colchester, Southend, Bromley, Redbridge, Kingston Upon Thames, Poole, Trafford and Ripon and Rugby.

    Grammars along with selective private schools still dominate the top 100 schools for Oxbridge entry and hence entry to the top of the most elite professions.

    'Of these 100 schools, 48 are independent, 23 are grammar, 19 are sixth-form colleges, 7 are comprehensives or academies and a further 3 are education colleges.'
    https://www.locrating.com/Blog/oxfordandcambridgeoffers.aspx/covid-19-schools-map.aspx
  • eekeek Posts: 31,304
    rottenborough said:

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    1h
    “We depend on the Chinese market. And right now we have zero sold. It's a 5 alarm fire for our industry. The Chinese are going elsewhere. American soybean farmers and their families are suffering.” - American Soybean Farmer

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1967670728679182423

    ====

    The farmer is from Kentucky. 64% vote for Trump 2.0.

    He told you he wanted tariffs.

    You make your choices and you live by them.

    Worth reading the reply beneath, the Soybean market is not a global market and as the Chinese are the only buyers if they aren't buying those farmers are screwed.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Cookie said:

    Off thread: Daughter #3 did the eleven plus today.
    We don't really expect her to pass. When her oldest sister did it passing was the preserve of the top 25%, now it's significantly harder. And, what with the ADHD, she faces her own challenges. Still, she did her best and - in contrast to many - didn't come out crying. She didn't panic when unfamiliar material came up. So I'm proud of her.
    We'll now be £2-3k a year better off as six years of paying for tutors (two years for each child).

    I'm pretty ambivalent about the grammar school system. The whole process of what ten year olds in Trafford (and adjacent postcodes) have to go through seems ridiculous and ridiculously costly. Still, we've done pretty well out of it: my oldest two have ended up at what are probably the right schools for them; my youngest will probably also end up at the right school for her (indeed, if she does have, it will cause us a problem, so memtally geared are we all to the local High school).

    Anyway - the rest of year 6 will be a breeze now.
    What did she choose for her post-11+ treat? A small box of Ferrero Rocher.

    Good luck to her! Going to a grammar school was probably the biggest unlock for my life, but I was a pretty badly behaved kid so the discipline and structure of grammar school was extremely helpful for me.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,128
    edited September 15
    Cookie said:

    Off thread: Daughter #3 did the eleven plus today.
    We don't really expect her to pass. When her oldest sister did it passing was the preserve of the top 25%, now it's significantly harder. And, what with the ADHD, she faces her own challenges. Still, she did her best and - in contrast to many - didn't come out crying. She didn't panic when unfamiliar material came up. So I'm proud of her.
    We'll now be £2-3k a year better off as six years of paying for tutors (two years for each child).

    I'm pretty ambivalent about the grammar school system. The whole process of what ten year olds in Trafford (and adjacent postcodes) have to go through seems ridiculous and ridiculously costly. Still, we've done pretty well out of it: my oldest two have ended up at what are probably the right schools for them; my youngest will probably also end up at the right school for her (indeed, if she does have, it will cause us a problem, so memtally geared are we all to the local High school).

    Anyway - the rest of year 6 will be a breeze now.
    What did she choose for her post-11+ treat? A small box of Ferrero Rocher.

    I was a lazy boy and didn't like my mother making me do half an hour preparation for the exam each day after school. We just used workbooks. Top 4% in Birmingham, not 25%! Made it, though.

    It does depend on parents being interested in coaching, though. Which isn't great. Big boon for ethnic minorities with a strong education ethic though. My school was about 30% ethnic minority in 1993 when I went: it's about 80% now.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,414
    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
    With the Cons polling so badly, it would be hard for her to win a seat, even if a friendly MP stood down
  • eekeek Posts: 31,304
    edited September 15
    MarqueeMark said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
    She needs to be an MP again.

    What is Rishi doing hanging around in Westminster?
    Doing what he said he would do for his constituents and little else - remember that unlike Truss and Bozo he doesn't need cash...

    I also think there is a project (Treasury North) that he wants to see actually finished as that will be a reasonable legacy..
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,414
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
    It gives me some consolation, as Britain goes down a Starmer-shaped khazi, that most sensible Britons share my outright loathing of this nauseating dork
    Tipping Jess Phillips to be next Labour leader at 50/1 aside, I stand be when I said five years ago in this header, particularly…

    “Last month, Keir Starmer appeared on the television in my front room to give his response to the Prime Minister’s Covid-19 statement. A few seconds later my eyes glazed over, a few more passed and I switched the tv off saying “Jesus, he is dull”. It set me thinking that in a world of Reality tv, tiktok, snapchat, (none of which I am a fan of), and general instant gratification, (which I kind of am) Starmer was too boring to be Prime Minister. Those with a keen interest in politics scrutinise policies, but it could be that a significant minority, perhaps even a small majority, of the public prefer someone they can imagine mucking in on I’m a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/06/the-case-for-making-personality-ratings-a-good-electoral-indicator/

    Fav to be next PM was indeed a contestant on said show



    His dullness isn't his problem though. There's a market for dull. His problem is his incompetence. Or not really believing in anything except process. Or that even when he's telling you about sonething he really believes in - like football - he sounds insincere and inauthentic. Or his political tin ear. Or the fact he came in to office without any real plan apart from not being the Tories, assuming that was all that was needed. Or his grifting. Or his failure to understand how the private sector operates and how money is made. Or his London-centricity.
    Compared to all that, his lack of charisma is only a minor handicap.
    The problem is that charisma makes it easier to hide your other political failings (at least for a while)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,189
    MaxPB said:

    rottenborough said:

    Give me fucking strength.

    It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

    So is your contention that all 300k who went on the march are Nazis? Do not you see how that kind of rhetoric fuels actual violence. Some idiot might get it in their head that shooting or stabbing these people is "good" because they're "Nazis anyway".

    This is exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to people killing other people for no reason.
    They went to a rally organised by a far right racist with multiple convictions for violence and fraud, the speakers were also far right racists, and many of the chants were racist.

    So it may well be that not all of the 110 000 or so on the march are far right racists, but they are at the very least willing to be in the company of far right racists.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,979
    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Trump to Hegseth: "Get ready because you'll be doing a lot of other places that are almost as troubled [as Memphis]. Some of them are equal. If you look at what's going on in Baltimore where the governor was telling me how wonderful it is and you can't walk across the street without being shot."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1967696519420596288
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,905
    eek said:

    rottenborough said:

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
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    “We depend on the Chinese market. And right now we have zero sold. It's a 5 alarm fire for our industry. The Chinese are going elsewhere. American soybean farmers and their families are suffering.” - American Soybean Farmer

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1967670728679182423

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    The farmer is from Kentucky. 64% vote for Trump 2.0.

    He told you he wanted tariffs.

    You make your choices and you live by them.

    Worth reading the reply beneath, the Soybean market is not a global market and as the Chinese are the only buyers if they aren't buying those farmers are screwed.
    In a free market, businesses can fail. Remarkable how many think that should apply to everyone else but not them or their industry. 🎻
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,104
    carnforth said:

    Cookie said:

    Off thread: Daughter #3 did the eleven plus today.
    We don't really expect her to pass. When her oldest sister did it passing was the preserve of the top 25%, now it's significantly harder. And, what with the ADHD, she faces her own challenges. Still, she did her best and - in contrast to many - didn't come out crying. She didn't panic when unfamiliar material came up. So I'm proud of her.
    We'll now be £2-3k a year better off as six years of paying for tutors (two years for each child).

    I'm pretty ambivalent about the grammar school system. The whole process of what ten year olds in Trafford (and adjacent postcodes) have to go through seems ridiculous and ridiculously costly. Still, we've done pretty well out of it: my oldest two have ended up at what are probably the right schools for them; my youngest will probably also end up at the right school for her (indeed, if she does have, it will cause us a problem, so memtally geared are we all to the local High school).

    Anyway - the rest of year 6 will be a breeze now.
    What did she choose for her post-11+ treat? A small box of Ferrero Rocher.

    I was a lazy boy and didn't like my mother making me do half an hour preparation for the exam each day after school. We just used workbooks. Top 4% in Birmingham, not 25%! Made it, though.

    It does depend on parents being interested in coaching, though. Which isn't great. Big boon for ethnic minorities with a strong education ethic though. My school was about 30% ethnic minority in 1993 when I went: it's about 80% now.
    Yes, the local grammars are disproportionately Asian - though nothing like 80%! Trafford has recently attracted a lot of Indian and Hong Kong families, who - quite apart from having intelligent children and placing a high valie on education - work their children massively hard in yeas 4 and 5. Our daughter was going through the list of names of children who had spent the whole summer working for the test - all of which were Asian.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,304
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Leon said:

    Hahahaha. That polling for Starmer

    Has a prime minister ever had such negative polling with his own party? Extraordinary

    You'd think he might say fuck it and retire
    It gives me some consolation, as Britain goes down a Starmer-shaped khazi, that most sensible Britons share my outright loathing of this nauseating dork
    Tipping Jess Phillips to be next Labour leader at 50/1 aside, I stand be when I said five years ago in this header, particularly…

    “Last month, Keir Starmer appeared on the television in my front room to give his response to the Prime Minister’s Covid-19 statement. A few seconds later my eyes glazed over, a few more passed and I switched the tv off saying “Jesus, he is dull”. It set me thinking that in a world of Reality tv, tiktok, snapchat, (none of which I am a fan of), and general instant gratification, (which I kind of am) Starmer was too boring to be Prime Minister. Those with a keen interest in politics scrutinise policies, but it could be that a significant minority, perhaps even a small majority, of the public prefer someone they can imagine mucking in on I’m a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here.”


    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/06/the-case-for-making-personality-ratings-a-good-electoral-indicator/

    Fav to be next PM was indeed a contestant on said show



    His dullness isn't his problem though. There's a market for dull. His problem is his incompetence. Or not really believing in anything except process. Or that even when he's telling you about sonething he really believes in - like football - he sounds insincere and inauthentic. Or his political tin ear. Or the fact he came in to office without any real plan apart from not being the Tories, assuming that was all that was needed. Or his grifting. Or his failure to understand how the private sector operates and how money is made. Or his London-centricity.
    Compared to all that, his lack of charisma is only a minor handicap.
    You've missed the other issue - his chancellor is the 3rd worst I've seen in my lifetime. And the other 2 set really low bars as they are Kwasi Kwarteng and Jeremy Hunt.

    And Jeremy Hunt was politically a great Chancellor - but given it was obvious he was going he really shouldn't have shat on the future with his NI cuts.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,414
    eek said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
    She needs to be an MP again.

    What is Rishi doing hanging around in Westminster?
    Doing what he said he would do for his constituents and little else - remember that unlike Truss and Bozo he doesn't need cash...

    I also think there is a project (Treasury North) that he wants to see actually finished as that will be a reasonable legacy..
    Perhaps he could serve in the next leader's shadow cabinet? Hague and IDS served under Cameron
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,273
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Penny on manoeuvres

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/1967692632953442456?s=19

    Like Burnham she needs to be an MP again to be a contender
    With the Cons polling so badly, it would be hard for her to win a seat, even if a friendly MP stood down
    If Kruger grew a set she could test his personal vote in East Wiltshire
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,905
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    rottenborough said:

    Give me fucking strength.

    It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

    So is your contention that all 300k who went on the march are Nazis? Do not you see how that kind of rhetoric fuels actual violence. Some idiot might get it in their head that shooting or stabbing these people is "good" because they're "Nazis anyway".

    This is exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to people killing other people for no reason.
    They went to a rally organised by a far right racist with multiple convictions for violence and fraud, the speakers were also far right racists, and many of the chants were racist.

    So it may well be that not all of the 110 000 or so on the march are far right racists, but they are at the very least willing to be in the company of far right racists.
    The grim consequence of calling everyone who says anything that is disagreed with a far right, racist fascist . . . It loses all meaning.

    Including for those who actually are that.

    Boy who cried wolf ends with an actual wolf.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    rottenborough said:

    Give me fucking strength.

    It seems now those baying most this weekend for some kind of flag waving revolution of the hard right up from the streets are now tweeting it is a disgrace that apparently kids today don't know that the Battle of Britain helped beat the erm... checks notes...Nazis.

    So is your contention that all 300k who went on the march are Nazis? Do not you see how that kind of rhetoric fuels actual violence. Some idiot might get it in their head that shooting or stabbing these people is "good" because they're "Nazis anyway".

    This is exactly the kind of stupidity that leads to people killing other people for no reason.
    They went to a rally organised by a far right racist with multiple convictions for violence and fraud, the speakers were also far right racists, and many of the chants were racist.

    So it may well be that not all of the 110 000 or so on the march are far right racists, but they are at the very least willing to be in the company of far right racists.
    So they're not all Nazis, is what you're saying?
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