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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,326

    Hodges going for Starmer misleading the House at PMQs per Kemi's 'liar' change
    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1967559443249578276?s=19

    He's now a similar price to go next year as Badenoch. Amazing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    edited 12:15PM

    nico67 said:

    Farage is a big positive for Reform but that’s also a weakness for their election chances if his popularity falls .

    The party is a one man band . For that reason I wouldn’t be writing off the Tories just yet .

    They've led in the polls in the last 6 or 7 months, the 'Tories are finished' stuff is laughable. Immediacy bias. They might disintegrate. They might also win 160 seats next time and be either jointly in government or the opposition to a minority Reform or Labour administration.
    Indeed, it is possible, indeed even arguably probable, that if the Tories are not back up to 20% in the polls by next summer and have terrible local, Holyrood and Senedd results in May then Badenoch will face a VONC from Tory MPs and likely lose it.

    She would then probably be replaced by Cleverly, who should at least be able to get back nearly all the Sunak 2024 voters to the party
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,467
    Andy_JS said:

    Betting on Ange's replacement continues to move one way on Betfair, albeit to small amounts.

    Lucy Powell 1.32
    Bridget Phillipson 4

    or in old money, 1/3 and 3/1, giving implied chances of 75 per cent and 25 per cent respectively.

    How on earth can they be making such a big mistake? Phillipson is hugely more impressive than Powell.
    To describe either of them as impressive is somewhat more than overselling them - it's a contest between two utter non-entities, at the end of which it looks like one of them gets what's pretty much a non-job (given the DPM bit has gone to Lammy).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?

    :smiley:
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,809
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Devizes (borders) is surely too classy for a Reform MP?

    Meanwhile, lunch is pork ribs cooked in a well-greased soapstone pot; the traditional dish of...where? (No, not Hicksville USA)

    Norway? (from the soapstone: there are still Viking Tupperware mines to be seen in Shetland)
    Is that cos they couldn't find the right lid when they shut down?
    My sauna elf is made of soapstone
    Is that code, or a new euphemism ?
    Probably a message broadcast to the French resistance directing them to go and blow up some bridge or other
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256

    Should we consider another possibility for Tory MPs who can see their party circulating the plug-hole? Might some of them be tempted to defect leftwards, to the Lib Dems, or Labour? A few months ago I might have suggested one or two considering the Greens, but Mr Polanski has put the tin lid on that.

    But, if the Tory Partty is in terminal decline (still unclear) and if some Tory MPs are careerist hacks (undoubtedly) then perhaps the remnants of the One Nation tendency might move elsewhere other than ReformUK.

    A third of Tories would go LD, two thirds of Tories would go Reform if the Tories went extinct or near extinct and were taken over Canada style by Reform.

    Barely any would go Labour, even Starmer Labour and as you say none would go Green
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    Well this is an utterly impractical idea from the Aberdeenshire hotelier.

    Donald Trump calls on US companies to ditch quarterly reporting

    US president says taking a quarterly view on company is ‘not good’


    https://www.ft.com/content/d5d46365-a2ad-41ee-9c6b-6f382e8d1ce8
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,287

    Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?

    :smiley:

    Very funny it’s like those political commentators who say everything is good for Farage .
  • eekeek Posts: 31,288
    edited 12:20PM
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Kruger was a big beast inasmuch as there were any left in the Cons party. Good thinker, not my cup of tea but I get it.

    Perhaps he thinks he can shape Reform around himself and the "drunken sailor spending" comment was one thing that made Reform approach him to define their spending plans rather than criticise them.

    I doubt Nigel gives a flying fig about spending plans. His voters are all convinced that the mass expulsion of immigrants will rectify every financial problem. When that particular panacea fails to work under a Reform government, its leadership (as they did with Brexit) will just move on to something else.
    (Guardian)
    ..The last question at the press conference came from my colleague Aletha Adu.

    Q: [To Kruger] Do you take back your claim that Reform UK would spend money like drunken sailors?

    Kruger said he was confident that the party would be able to come up with fully-costed, workable plans.

    He said when he criticised Reform’s spending plans recently, he was referring to their welfare plans. But at the Reform conference, Farage committed the party to welfare reform, he said.

    ...

    Farage ended by saying there would be a press conference next week where “we will show you how we propose to save huge amounts of money”.
    Hopefully early next week so I'm around to watch the plans rapidly fall apart.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,039
    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    What was in the picnic !!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Danny Kruger, my goodness. Blanche has a Reform MP.

    Pity, though Kruger is very socially conservative and an evangelical Christian, anti abortion, anti euthanasia and anti same sex marriage and hostile to much of Islam and economically very small state so no great surprise
    Perfect fit for the narrow minded far right attracted to Farage

    I am very pleased he has gone as that is not my conservative party, though it could be yours
    The Tory Party can’t keep affording to lose people. If the response is “good riddance” every time someone defects then bit by bit it loses that broad church status and starts to serve a dwindling number of interests.
    With one half of the party feeling more affinity with the LibDems, and the other half more affinity with ReFuk, what is the point of the Conservatives?
    It is now the party of economically conservative, socially liberal voters ie more economically conservative than the LDs and more socially liberal than Reform
    Given the spread of views on those two subjects in both Rerform and the Lib Dems, the window you are talking about between them appears to me to be vanishingly small.
    Enough still to give them 18% of the vote even under Kemi.

    Though if the Tories did cease to exist it would boost the Orange Book wing of the LDs as well as Reform
    If the Tories ceased to exist, I'd expect Reform to be on c.40%, and the Lib Dems on c.20%.
    Not far off, the LDs would be near level pegging with Labour on that scenario with Reform clearly in front though tactical voting against Farage would also be a factor
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,967

    Hodges going for Starmer misleading the House at PMQs per Kemi's 'liar' change
    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1967559443249578276?s=19

    That's daft. "Confidence" is political judgement, not fact. You can have confidence in someone found to be a wrong'un as Boris had in Patel after being found in breach of the ministerial code.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,071

    Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?

    :smiley:

    Well, off the top of my head ... it feels like a good news story for Reform? And we tend to believe good newa stories filter through to polling figures. And if Reforms lead increases, that makes a Labour win at the next election less likely.

    Sonething like that? I certainly don't see that it helps Starmer.
    Not his fault, of course, this one. There's no way it can be chalked up to bad politics by Labour. But Labour's dream scenario is a split opposition: the more the oppositiom coalesces around the party which is ahead, the worse news for La our.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    edited 12:22PM
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    Farage is a big positive for Reform but that’s also a weakness for their election chances if his popularity falls .

    The party is a one man band . For that reason I wouldn’t be writing off the Tories just yet .

    They've led in the polls in the last 6 or 7 months, the 'Tories are finished' stuff is laughable. Immediacy bias. They might disintegrate. They might also win 160 seats next time and be either jointly in government or the opposition to a minority Reform or Labour administration.
    Indeed, it is possible, indeed even arguably probable, that if the Tories are not back up to 20% in the polls by next summer and have terrible local, Holyrood and Senedd results in May then Badenoch will face a VONC from Tory MPs and likely lose it.

    She would then probably be replaced by Cleverly, who should at least be able to get back nearly all the Sunak 2024 voters to the party
    With a crowded field that we likely face, anything above the lowest 20s probably keeps Tories third at worst on treble figures of seats. How much work they have to get there depends in whether Find Out Now or Ashcroft (for example) are better modelling current voting projections.
    35% in any constituency will win the majority of seats next time, 30% will win a fair few. The need to be in the 40s is gone, 30s for government, 20s for a good wodge of seats
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,114

    Well this is an utterly impractical idea from the Aberdeenshire hotelier.

    Donald Trump calls on US companies to ditch quarterly reporting

    US president says taking a quarterly view on company is ‘not good’


    https://www.ft.com/content/d5d46365-a2ad-41ee-9c6b-6f382e8d1ce8

    The last two quarters were Biden's ones ?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,288

    Well this is an utterly impractical idea from the Aberdeenshire hotelier.

    Donald Trump calls on US companies to ditch quarterly reporting

    US president says taking a quarterly view on company is ‘not good’


    https://www.ft.com/content/d5d46365-a2ad-41ee-9c6b-6f382e8d1ce8

    Are you sure it's just quarterly reporting he wants ditched
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Danny Kruger, my goodness. Blanche has a Reform MP.

    Pity, though Kruger is very socially conservative and an evangelical Christian, anti abortion, anti euthanasia and anti same sex marriage and hostile to much of Islam and economically very small state so no great surprise
    I'm not surprised by Kruger. He is a lynchpin of National Conservatism in the UK, which integrates religion and culture wars into politics. And he has made at least one speech in Parliament along those lines.

    Imo there are a series of former MPs who are on a similar track to various extents - JRM (though more from a JD Vance angle, where JRM is John Cleese and JD Vance was Ronnie Corbett, but is now Ronnie Barker - he did not know his place), Miriam Cates, Daniel Kawczynski. Lee Anderson, of course, made the jump some time ago - though I think he was partly an opportunist.

    Of sitting MPs, possibly Esther McVey. Or Suella Braverman as we have discussed - though there may be personal conflicts with Farage.

    At a more "senior" level, Liz Truss and Michael Gove .. maybe. But Farage's need to dominate may interfere with those.

    I'm not sure about Jenrick and Philp and Lam, who use the rhetoric.
    Most of the above but JRM is a Tory to his bootstraps so would stay as long as the party exists as he has confirmed and Gove who is too liberal for Reform
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,488
    Nat Hentoff put it correctly in the title of his book, Free Speech for Me, But Not for Thee.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Hentoff

    An example: Amazon for a time refused to sell Ryan Anderson's book, When Harry Became Sally. I haven't checked recently to see if they are still following that policy.

    (Oddly, they did not refuse to sell Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    edited 12:24PM

    Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?

    :smiley:

    If Labour put up some posters and videos with Kruger's words condemning gay marriage and abortion it might even help Starmer a bit and hit Reform
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,114
    At what point do they decide it might be preferable to side with China instead of the US ?

    Currency swap to help minimize impact from $350 bil. US investment

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/economy/20250915/currency-swap-to-help-minimize-impact-from-350-bil-us-investment-analysts
    Seoul is seeking to revive a currency swap deal with Washington to help break through stalled talks over its $350 billion investment into the U.S. as part of tariff negotiations.

    Analysts say the bilateral deal could play the role of a safety net for Korea’s foreign exchange market in case the country needs to gather the large investment sum in a short period of time.

    According to the Ministry of Finance and Economy and the presidential office, the government recently made a proposal to the U.S. for an “unlimited” currency swap.

    Seoul is seeking to revive a currency swap deal with Washington to help break through stalled talks over its $350 billion investment into the U.S. as part of tariff negotiations.

    Analysts say the bilateral deal could play the role of a safety net for Korea’s foreign exchange market in case the country needs to gather the large investment sum in a short period of time.

    According to the Ministry of Finance and Economy and the presidential office, the government recently made a proposal to the U.S. for an “unlimited” currency swap...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,098
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is not the header I was expecting.

    The pb Tories who did not bark in the night time. Is it just me who noticed that of all our party leaders, it is only Kemi who had a good week?

    Keir Starmer – under attack from his own side over his lack of political judgement or even plain common sense when appointing and then backing up to the last moment Lord Mandelson who has now had to resign three times for what was, at least to a first approximation, the same pattern of behaviour, being entranced by men considerably richer than him: Geoffrey Robinson, the Hindujas, Jeffrey Epstein. (On second thoughts, who better to inveigle himself into the inner circle of a billionaire property developer and cryptocurrency grifter?)

    Ed Davey – the honourable member for falling in the water is being criticised by his own side for irrelevant stunts.

    Nigel Farage – stamp duty obviously but also risks being outflanked by Tommy Robinson who attracted somewhere north of 100,000 largely peaceful protestors to London, along with squillionaire cheque-writer Elon Musk.

    Kemi Badenoch – widely praised for an excellent PMQs and now can lay claim to two top Labour scalps.

    And where were pb's Conservatives? Arguing about crowd sizes and frantically trawling the interwebs for a culture war about the assassination of a man who this time last week they could not have picked out of a police line-up even if he wore his MAGA hat. Poor old Kemi.

    I've written to Keir Starmer, Kemi Badenoch and Nigel Farage, urging them to join me in condemning Elon Musk's dangerous remarks inciting violence yesterday.

    As leaders, we must stand together and make clear Musk will face serious consequences for these actions.

    https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1967294733643829750
    Student politics from the LibDem leader.
    Hardly out of character.


    Two overrated things at the last election. Ed Davey's strategy and Morgan McSweeney's strategy. The results would have been roughly the same without either.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    Cookie said:

    Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?

    :smiley:

    Well, off the top of my head ... it feels like a good news story for Reform? And we tend to believe good newa stories filter through to polling figures. And if Reforms lead increases, that makes a Labour win at the next election less likely.

    Sonething like that? I certainly don't see that it helps Starmer.
    Not his fault, of course, this one. There's no way it can be chalked up to bad politics by Labour. But Labour's dream scenario is a split opposition: the more the oppositiom coalesces around the party which is ahead, the worse news for La our.
    The effect on Reform is a simple sum
    Does Danny Kruger attract more Tories (and others) than drive away the former non voters now Reform who do not want a Tory party mark 2 full of retreads?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,701
    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    What was in the picnic !!
    Leon's getting ready for a new edition of The Guest:

    https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/adabbf738ca14bd6b8d5391b5be69fb9

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    edited 12:31PM
    Danny Kruger’s mum has had me in stitches with her innuendos and single entendres.

    I like her a lot.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,062
    edited 12:32PM

    Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?

    :smiley:

    Calling BigG.........

    Talking of which Trevor Phillips was on WATO. He was bloody awful!

    (I know BigG is quite a fan)
  • eekeek Posts: 31,288
    Need to go back to work but for those who weren't around last night

    How do you kill a circus?

    Go for the Juggler...
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,666

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Stornoway?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,288
    Nigelb said:

    At what point do they decide it might be preferable to side with China instead of the US ?

    Currency swap to help minimize impact from $350 bil. US investment

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/economy/20250915/currency-swap-to-help-minimize-impact-from-350-bil-us-investment-analysts
    Seoul is seeking to revive a currency swap deal with Washington to help break through stalled talks over its $350 billion investment into the U.S. as part of tariff negotiations.

    Analysts say the bilateral deal could play the role of a safety net for Korea’s foreign exchange market in case the country needs to gather the large investment sum in a short period of time.

    According to the Ministry of Finance and Economy and the presidential office, the government recently made a proposal to the U.S. for an “unlimited” currency swap.

    Seoul is seeking to revive a currency swap deal with Washington to help break through stalled talks over its $350 billion investment into the U.S. as part of tariff negotiations.

    Analysts say the bilateral deal could play the role of a safety net for Korea’s foreign exchange market in case the country needs to gather the large investment sum in a short period of time.

    According to the Ministry of Finance and Economy and the presidential office, the government recently made a proposal to the U.S. for an “unlimited” currency swap...

    You know those talks are stalled because after last week no-one in South Korea is going to go on secondment to a USA factory without African levels of danger money...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,146
    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is not the header I was expecting.

    The pb Tories who did not bark in the night time. Is it just me who noticed that of all our party leaders, it is only Kemi who had a good week?

    Keir Starmer – under attack from his own side over his lack of political judgement or even plain common sense when appointing and then backing up to the last moment Lord Mandelson who has now had to resign three times for what was, at least to a first approximation, the same pattern of behaviour, being entranced by men considerably richer than him: Geoffrey Robinson, the Hindujas, Jeffrey Epstein. (On second thoughts, who better to inveigle himself into the inner circle of a billionaire property developer and cryptocurrency grifter?)

    Ed Davey – the honourable member for falling in the water is being criticised by his own side for irrelevant stunts.

    Nigel Farage – stamp duty obviously but also risks being outflanked by Tommy Robinson who attracted somewhere north of 100,000 largely peaceful protestors to London, along with squillionaire cheque-writer Elon Musk.

    Kemi Badenoch – widely praised for an excellent PMQs and now can lay claim to two top Labour scalps.

    And where were pb's Conservatives? Arguing about crowd sizes and frantically trawling the interwebs for a culture war about the assassination of a man who this time last week they could not have picked out of a police line-up even if he wore his MAGA hat. Poor old Kemi.

    I've written to Keir Starmer, Kemi Badenoch and Nigel Farage, urging them to join me in condemning Elon Musk's dangerous remarks inciting violence yesterday.

    As leaders, we must stand together and make clear Musk will face serious consequences for these actions.

    https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1967294733643829750
    Student politics from the LibDem leader.
    Hardly out of character.


    Two overrated things at the last election. Ed Davey's strategy and Morgan McSweeney's strategy. The results would have been roughly the same without either.
    I very much doubt that. The LDs won almost everything they could possibly win. They get starved of publicity, so the stupid stunts were a brilliant way of getting publicity. OK it will have put some people off as being non serious, but if he hadn't done them those same people would have heard absolutely nothing from him. To say they would have been roughly the same, when there was little scope to do better seems odd.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,209
    edited 12:36PM
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    What was in the picnic !!
    A cheese that is, arguably, even more disgusting than the maggot cheese

    Here’s how you make it. Take one milk fed lamb, let it gorge on milk, then immediately kill it, cut out the 2nd stomach full of milk, wash & dry it (with milk inside) then let it hang & cure. Eat the resulting cheese straight from the lamb’s stomach sac three months later

    They make the cheese inside the stomach. Yes

    It’s called Caglia. It is exceptionally rare. The only reason it hasn’t been banned by the EU is because probably they’ve never heard of it. This cheese is also prehistoric. This is probably how Stone Age men discovered cheese in the first place. Milk decaying in an animal’s stomach with natural rennet enzymes therein

    We ate it with the murderer’s own wine (excellent cannonau) from his own vineyard. Deep deep deep in the supramonte mountains, an hour after visiting a unique nuragic human sacrifice water shrine

    I am completely in love with Sardinia
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798
    Foss said:

    ...

    Hanrahans was expensive, loud, had bouncers on the door, and the food was saturated fat with salt on it. Otherwise it was a good night out.


    As for atomisation, allotments are the answer, quality food, the language of the soil dominates, biodiversity is king and it’s all under open skies.

    We should have more allotments. Every household should have one. That would end this March to the right.

    Before declaring that, perhaps you'd like to have a word with the people on my allotment site.

    There are flags.
    Blood and soil indeed. There's a reason a bunch of the BUF ended up interested in the early post war organic movement
    Yes - pagan nature religion for the Nazi's, in part.

    Did not one of the senior leaders have a model farm in the Third Reich?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,488
    From many previous threads: For two centuries, many American leaders believed that the wide ownership of guns helped train men for combat -- should they be needed. It is not difficult to find examples to support that belief; one of the most famous is Audie Murphy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

    Whether that belief makes sense with modern weapons is a question that Americans should think about, rationally. but we find it hard to do so.

    For the record: When I was a teenager, I sometimes used the family shotgun to protect our cherries against birds, and I bought a .22 rifle to learn more about guns, but gave guns up at 18, when I went away to college.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,039
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    What was in the picnic !!
    A cheese that is, arguably, even more disgusting than the maggot cheese

    Here’s how you make it. Take one milk fed lamb, let it gorge on milk, then immediately kill it, cut out the 2nd stomach full of milk, wash & dry it (with milk inside) then let it hang & cure. Eat the resulting cheese straight from the lamb’s stomach sac three months later

    They make the cheese inside the stomach. Yes

    It’s called Caglia. It is exceptionally rare. The only reason it hasn’t been banned by the EU is because probably they’ve never heard of it. This cheese is also prehistoric. This is probably how Stone Age men discovered cheese in the first place. Milk decaying in an animal’s stomach with natural rennet enzymes therein

    We ate it with the murderer’s own wine (excellent cannonau) from his own vineyard. Deep deep deep in the supramonte mountains, an hour after visiting a unique nuragic human sacrifice water shrine

    I am completely in love with Sardinia
    I’m off on a cruise shortly and we have 6 hours in Cagliari.

    I love my cheese, that sounds grim. Especially for the poor Lamb.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,209
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    What was in the picnic !!
    A cheese that is, arguably, even more disgusting than the maggot cheese

    Here’s how you make it. Take one milk fed lamb, let it gorge on milk, then immediately kill it, cut out the 2nd stomach full of milk, wash & dry it (with milk inside) then let it hang & cure. Eat the resulting cheese straight from the lamb’s stomach sac three months later

    They make the cheese inside the stomach. Yes

    It’s called Caglia. It is exceptionally rare. The only reason it hasn’t been banned by the EU is because probably they’ve never heard of it. This cheese is also prehistoric. This is probably how Stone Age men discovered cheese in the first place. Milk decaying in an animal’s stomach with natural rennet enzymes therein

    We ate it with the murderer’s own wine (excellent cannonau) from his own vineyard. Deep deep deep in the supramonte mountains, an hour after visiting a unique nuragic human sacrifice water shrine

    I am completely in love with Sardinia
    I’m off on a cruise shortly and we have 6 hours in Cagliari.

    I love my cheese, that sounds grim. Especially for the poor Lamb.
    The lamb stomach sac cheese is impossibly hard to find. Even for Sardinians. I lucked out massively

    Maggot cheese can be found if you get the right guide and tour company. They know bold tourists want to try it because Antony Bourdain ate it on tv etc


    I went beyond Bourdain. Heh
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,701

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    I've got no idea btw
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,403

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    What's the largest town in 'Arundel and South Downs'? Pulborough with a population of 5000?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    What's the largest town in 'Arundel and South Downs'? Pulborough with a population of 5000?
    Good call. I thought Arundel was bigger.
    Steyning and Storrington both about 6000
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    Lam has lots of SPAD experience in the last Government, which may be a positive or maybe a negative.

    How would Reformers view a single lady as their MP ?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,075
    edited 12:55PM
    On Labour, 3/1 is a very good price for Phillipson to win DL, so I've had a punt. I've no idea what the bookies' odds are based on, as nobody inside Labour has a clue as to who will win. Members (like me) haven't really started to discuss it yet. Rationally, it's 50:50 at the moment, but on the grounds that Phillipson is a much better performer than Powell, and the hustings, interviews and so on have yet to start, I'd make her narrow favourite. She also has the advantage of being able to sell solid achievements in government - child care, breakfast clubs, VAT on posh school fees etc. Powell? Not so much.

    Politically, there's nothing between them at all - both sensible left - though I guess Phillipson may feel the need to stay more loyal to the leadership during the campaign because of her Cabinet position.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,510

    Well this is an utterly impractical idea from the Aberdeenshire hotelier.

    Donald Trump calls on US companies to ditch quarterly reporting

    US president says taking a quarterly view on company is ‘not good’


    https://www.ft.com/content/d5d46365-a2ad-41ee-9c6b-6f382e8d1ce8

    He's probably recommending that because the US economy is doing so well due to his fantastic leadership. If only we could have someone as wise, like say Farage, running our country, then we too could say that government stats are lies, and companies are doing great but they aren't allowed to tell us.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1967533360835915855?s=19
    Reform fanatic thinks reform defection is huge for reform shocker
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,376

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Banff and Buchan. Population of Banff 4k.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,039
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    What was in the picnic !!
    A cheese that is, arguably, even more disgusting than the maggot cheese

    Here’s how you make it. Take one milk fed lamb, let it gorge on milk, then immediately kill it, cut out the 2nd stomach full of milk, wash & dry it (with milk inside) then let it hang & cure. Eat the resulting cheese straight from the lamb’s stomach sac three months later

    They make the cheese inside the stomach. Yes

    It’s called Caglia. It is exceptionally rare. The only reason it hasn’t been banned by the EU is because probably they’ve never heard of it. This cheese is also prehistoric. This is probably how Stone Age men discovered cheese in the first place. Milk decaying in an animal’s stomach with natural rennet enzymes therein

    We ate it with the murderer’s own wine (excellent cannonau) from his own vineyard. Deep deep deep in the supramonte mountains, an hour after visiting a unique nuragic human sacrifice water shrine

    I am completely in love with Sardinia
    I’m off on a cruise shortly and we have 6 hours in Cagliari.

    I love my cheese, that sounds grim. Especially for the poor Lamb.
    The lamb stomach sac cheese is impossibly hard to find. Even for Sardinians. I lucked out massively

    Maggot cheese can be found if you get the right guide and tour company. They know bold tourists want to try it because Antony Bourdain ate it on tv etc


    I went beyond Bourdain. Heh
    Gordon Ramsay had maggot cheese when he was working on a C4 show too.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,180
    algarkirk said:

    TOPPING said:

    Kruger was a big beast inasmuch as there were any left in the Cons party. Good thinker, not my cup of tea but I get it.

    Perhaps he thinks he can shape Reform around himself and the "drunken sailor spending" comment was one thing that made Reform approach him to define their spending plans rather than criticise them.

    There are of course two separate questions about Reform: Can they win the election? And, secondly, How will they govern?

    People who join them because they can win are not all that interesting. If people start joining them because they can help sort a programme which can deal with the hard questions, they would be interesting.

    The hard questions are almost always the ones you don't intend to ask or be asked in public. For Reform the hard questions are not about boats and migration - with massive effort they can if they really want to more or less close our borders.

    The hard questions are about: Growth, investment, borrowing, debt, deficit, tax, spend, the post WWII social democratic consensus in which the Reform voters of Clacton, Boston and Skegness get free stuff that they like.

    Personally I don't think Reform are the sort of threat Trump is; I don't think they plan to abolish free and fair elections, but the hard questions they are not dealing with are quite enough for now. Decent journalists need to get on the case and not let go.
    Farage admires Trump. Farage hero-worships Trump. I imagine Farage, thus, wants to do the same as Trump.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,180
    IanB2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Devizes (borders) is surely too classy for a Reform MP?

    Meanwhile, lunch is pork ribs cooked in a well-greased soapstone pot; the traditional dish of...where? (No, not Hicksville USA)

    Norway? (from the soapstone: there are still Viking Tupperware mines to be seen in Shetland)
    Is that cos they couldn't find the right lid when they shut down?
    My sauna elf is made of soapstone
    The doves fly south on Thursday. 😉
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    edited 1:01PM
    DavidL said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Banff and Buchan. Population of Banff 4k.
    No, sir. Fraserburgh 12k plus and Peterhead 19k
  • isamisam Posts: 42,607

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1967533360835915855?s=19
    Reform fanatic thinks reform defection is huge for reform shocker

    To balance that

    https://bsky.app/profile/alastairmeeks.bsky.social/post/3lyule3dcfs2g
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    MattW said:

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    Lam has lots of SPAD experience in the last Government, which may be a positive or maybe a negative.

    How would Reformers view a single lady as their MP ?
    As they view prominent Reformer single lady Ann Widdecombe I expect
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,180

    Well this is an utterly impractical idea from the Aberdeenshire hotelier.

    Donald Trump calls on US companies to ditch quarterly reporting

    US president says taking a quarterly view on company is ‘not good’


    https://www.ft.com/content/d5d46365-a2ad-41ee-9c6b-6f382e8d1ce8

    It delays bad economic news he doesn't want people to hear by 9 months.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,376

    DavidL said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Banff and Buchan. Population of Banff 4k.
    No, sir. Fraserburgh 12k plus and Peterhead 19k
    And Peterhead at 19K. Woops!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    What's the largest town in 'Arundel and South Downs'? Pulborough with a population of 5000?
    Pulborough is a village

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulborough
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,071
    Just spotted a notification from @Dixiedean from a few days ago:
    dixiedean said:

    Doesn't PB realise Burnham is a very popular mayor of three million people? (Indeed one opined that he assumed he was as popular as Khan, just the other day).
    I believe @cookie who is not a Labour supporter will confirm this.
    I mean. He wasn't over successful as a Minister under Brown. But then who was?
    And that was 15 years ago.

    I’d reply that:
    Yes, I’m not a Labour supporter, and yes, he is indeed a popular mayor. Remarkably, at the last mayoral election, he came first in every single ward in Greater Manchester. From a personal point of view, I’d say he’s been a good advocate of GM’s interests, and while for my tastes he has an occasional tendency to wander into the sort of left-wing concerns that the party would be electorally advised to keep away from, he’s definitely not as bad as many in the Labour party in that respect. And name recognition is hugely important.
    I’d qualify that as following:
    - The last mayoral election was held at a time when Labour were doing pretty well in the polls and hoovered up anti-Tory votes.
    - Reform appear to have grown a lot in GM since then, winning several traditionally-Labour wards at by-elections.
    - I think he’d suffer something of a backlash if he were to resign the mayoralty for a crack at national party leadership.

    I’ve seen (and indulged in!) speculation about a few potential seats for engineered by-eelctions: Denton and Gorton (with his Whatsapply-embarassed friend Andrew Gwynne standing down in his favour); Blackley and Middleton South (speculation of a ‘Manchester MP standing down due to ill health’ – Graham Stringer seems suspect #1 for this) and Manchester Central (in some sort of mayoralty-for-seat swapsie arrangement with Lucy Powell – can’t see this one myself). I’d say taking into account the above, Andy Burnham SHOULD win any of these – but only Manchester Central is 100% nailed on – for either of the others I’d be on Reform if the odds were 3-1 or more generous.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    Ex Mafia?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    HYUFD said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
    Filey has a town council. It isnt a village. Large or otherwise . Ditto Thirsk
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,666
    HYUFD said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
    Both Filey and Thirsk have supermarkets, which is enough (for me) to tip them over into the 'small town' catagory.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,403
    HYUFD said:

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    What's the largest town in 'Arundel and South Downs'? Pulborough with a population of 5000?
    Pulborough is a village

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulborough
    Maybe. But I'm not sure that's the point.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,180

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Stornoway in Na h-Eileanan an Iar would be my guess.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Stornoway in Na h-Eileanan an Iar would be my guess.
    If we allow the cheaty tiny constituency then yes!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    edited 1:10PM

    HYUFD said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
    Filey has a town council. It isnt a village. Large or otherwise . Ditto Thirsk
    In US terms anywhere with a population under 10,000 is classified as no longer often even a small town but rural.

    The government defines a UK small town as having a population between 7,500 and 24,999. A population under 7,500 is a village
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8322/#:~:text=How does the classification work,Frith, Cottenham, Menai Bridge)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,506
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
    Filey has a town council. It isnt a village. Large or otherwise . Ditto Thirsk
    In US terms anywhere with a population under 10,000 is classified as no longer even a small town but rural
    I knew we were importing far too much in the way of Usonian politics and culture.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
    Filey has a town council. It isnt a village. Large or otherwise . Ditto Thirsk
    In US terms anywhere with a population under 10,000 is classified as no longer even a small town but rural
    Why would I use US terms?
    The Megalopolis of Epping Forest be damned
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    edited 1:13PM

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ok im getting bored looking but Thirsk and Malton has Filey (6981) as its largest town. Thirsk is under 5000 civil parish (but 10k 'built up area')

    So a fair few rural seats with 6 to 10k largest towns

    Which are really large villages
    Filey has a town council. It isnt a village. Large or otherwise . Ditto Thirsk
    In US terms anywhere with a population under 10,000 is classified as no longer even a small town but rural
    Why would I use US terms?
    The Megalopolis of Epping Forest be damned
    Loughton, Epping, Waltham Abbey, Chigwell and Buckhurst Hill are all towns not villages even on that US definition.

    Loughton is even a medium sized town on the UK government definition and too big to be a small town (essentially it is an Outer London suburb in most respects)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,452
    The South Stafforshire constituency had a largest town of Womborne with a population of about 14,000 IIRC. But it's been altered by the most recent boundary changes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,452

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Stornoway in Na h-Eileanan an Iar would be my guess.
    Definitely.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,098
    Seen elsewhere: AfD now in first place in German polling average:


  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,209
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Just had a picnic with a murderer. Yes ok he’s killed people but he makes excellent Sardinian crisp bread and fennel salami

    Ex Mafia?
    Sardinian Mafia? Yes, basically

    I’ve just been googling his criminal record. Wow

    No wonder he’s not that fussed about making illegal cheese. Serious bad boy
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,452
    Very mysterious.

    "(((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    Keir Starmer's problems are about to get a whole lot worse I understand.
    2:15 PM · Sep 15, 2025"

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1967577924934172846
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    Not the beat of days for Starmer and Badenoch then or maybe
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,106
    MattW said:

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    Lam has lots of SPAD experience in the last Government, which may be a positive or maybe a negative.

    How would Reformers view a single lady as their MP ?
    I’d been trying to remember where I had come across Katie Lam before. Then I remembered: I shared a panel with her (plus another MP and a think tanker) at the last Tory conference.

    As others have commented, there was definitely a bit of a Thatcher tribute vibe going on there with the clothes and hairdo.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798
    edited 1:34PM
    On the rally, I think the Brotherhood of Christ hoodie people are linked to a New Zealand fundamentalist preacher called Brian Raymond Tamaki, and have flown in to show support and promote themselves. He embraces far-right type politics, nationalism, anti-vax type conspiracy theories, and so on. And for tying his politics tightly into his theology, which is a mark of Christian Nationalism.

    His core setup is known as "Destiny Church".

    From wiki:
    Founded by Tamaki in the 1980s, the Destiny Church is known for its position against homosexuality, its patriarchal views, and for its calls for a return to biblical conservative family values and morals. Tamaki has also stated the COVID-19 pandemic is a sign the world has "strayed from God".[3] This, alongside many comments he has made, has made him a controversial figure in New Zealand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Tamaki

    Twitter. Photo in the tweet.

    Over 100 Kiwis have flown in from New Zealand to be here at Unite the Kingdom - Commonwealth Faith Family Freedom of Speech. God Speed.
    #CharlieKirkshot #UniteTheKingdom @Advanceuk_wales @_AdvanceUK @TRobinsonNewEra @VoWalesOfficial

    https://x.com/StanVoWales/status/1966839601093636548
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,209
    OOOOOOH. I wonder if this is related to what I heard t’other day
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,506
    MattW said:

    On the rally, I think the Brotherhood of Christ hoodie people are linked to a New Zealand fundamentalist preacher called Brian Raymond Tamaki, and have flown in to show support and promote themselves. He embraces far-right type politics, nationalism, anti-vax type conspiracy theories, and so on. And for tying his politics tightly into his theology, which is a mark of Christian Nationalism.

    His core setup is known as "Destiny Church".

    From wiki:
    Founded by Tamaki in the 1980s, the Destiny Church is known for its position against homosexuality, its patriarchal views, and for its calls for a return to biblical conservative family values and morals. Tamaki has also stated the COVID-19 pandemic is a sign the world has "strayed from God".[3] This, alongside many comments he has made, has made him a controversial figure in New Zealand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Tamaki

    So there's more than one B of C? As well as the Christian Brotherhood, the Christian Brothers ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798
    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    Apparently Marlborough, population 9,129 (2021 Census), is the largest town in the constituency

    What's the smallest largest town in a UK constituency?

    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? (Annan 8760) is an early contender
    Na h'eilean etc is a cheat as too small (Stornoway 4000 odd)
    Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Thurso 7500 or so)
    Weald of Kent (Tenterden 8186) and Katie Lam in England a good one
    Lam has lots of SPAD experience in the last Government, which may be a positive or maybe a negative.

    How would Reformers view a single lady as their MP ?
    I’d been trying to remember where I had come across Katie Lam before. Then I remembered: I shared a panel with her (plus another MP and a think tanker) at the last Tory conference.

    As others have commented, there was definitely a bit of a Thatcher tribute vibe going on there with the clothes and hairdo.
    I first noticed her when she repeated one of Philp's lines almost word-for-word in Parliament.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,176
    Leon said:

    OOOOOOH. I wonder if this is related to what I heard t’other day
    Mandys revenge perhaps
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,431
    carnforth said:

    Seen elsewhere: AfD now in first place in German polling average:


    They have PR though don't they? So not super bad (but still bad).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,209

    Leon said:

    OOOOOOH. I wonder if this is related to what I heard t’other day
    Mandys revenge perhaps
    Tbh there is now so much murkiness surrounding starmer it could be any of half a dozen things. Or something entirely new. A defection? A resignation? A baleful rumour?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    On the rally, I think the Brotherhood of Christ hoodie people are linked to a New Zealand fundamentalist preacher called Brian Raymond Tamaki, and have flown in to show support and promote themselves. He embraces far-right type politics, nationalism, anti-vax type conspiracy theories, and so on. And for tying his politics tightly into his theology, which is a mark of Christian Nationalism.

    His core setup is known as "Destiny Church".

    From wiki:
    Founded by Tamaki in the 1980s, the Destiny Church is known for its position against homosexuality, its patriarchal views, and for its calls for a return to biblical conservative family values and morals. Tamaki has also stated the COVID-19 pandemic is a sign the world has "strayed from God".[3] This, alongside many comments he has made, has made him a controversial figure in New Zealand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Tamaki

    So there's more than one B of C? As well as the Christian Brotherhood, the Christian Brothers ...
    There's a lot more than that, the Christian Brothers being a Roman Catholic something (Order?) famous for running schools in Ireland where pupils were I think caned and physically abused for may decades.

    The one to really take care with is "Turning Point UK", because there are least two mental health / disability charities using almost identical names.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759

    NEW THREAD

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,373
    Andy_JS said:

    Betting on Ange's replacement continues to move one way on Betfair, albeit to small amounts.

    Lucy Powell 1.32
    Bridget Phillipson 4

    or in old money, 1/3 and 3/1, giving implied chances of 75 per cent and 25 per cent respectively.

    How on earth can they be making such a big mistake? Phillipson is hugely more impressive than Powell.
    I think punters are getting carried away by all this Burnham ramping mischief making in the right wing press.

    I'll be voting for Bridget - the choice of both heart (lad from The Heed voting for a lass from The Heed) and head (a much more accomplished politician than her opponent).

    Our MP is a Powellite.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,180
    There is always a tweet...

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,043
    Leon said:

    OOOOOOH. I wonder if this is related to what I heard t’other day
    Well, we'll never know, as you haven't told us what it was. ;)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,209

    Leon said:

    OOOOOOH. I wonder if this is related to what I heard t’other day
    Well, we'll never know, as you haven't told us what it was. ;)
    I told @taz
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,798
    edited 1:56PM
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    On the rally, I think the Brotherhood of Christ hoodie people are linked to a New Zealand fundamentalist preacher called Brian Raymond Tamaki, and have flown in to show support and promote themselves. He embraces far-right type politics, nationalism, anti-vax type conspiracy theories, and so on. And for tying his politics tightly into his theology, which is a mark of Christian Nationalism.

    His core setup is known as "Destiny Church".

    From wiki:
    Founded by Tamaki in the 1980s, the Destiny Church is known for its position against homosexuality, its patriarchal views, and for its calls for a return to biblical conservative family values and morals. Tamaki has also stated the COVID-19 pandemic is a sign the world has "strayed from God".[3] This, alongside many comments he has made, has made him a controversial figure in New Zealand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Tamaki

    So there's more than one B of C? As well as the Christian Brotherhood, the Christian Brothers ...
    (May have replied to an earlier post, but this was intended for you so I'll leave it here.)

    The big difference from more traditional Evangelical or Political Conservatism in that view (and in CHarlie Kirk's ideology) is that the two are heavily integrated, and the religious language and altar calls and so on are used to embed a religious-level of belief in a political message. It was a hallmark of Charlie Kirk's national tours to events in the mega-churches when he developed "Turning Point Faith"; he would use the style, setting, music and messaging of what the USA calls "Revivals" to drive White Evangelicals to his politics. The driver is fear of the loss of white, Christian America which builds on traditional Evangelical Conservative politics.

    I've been reflecting on how I could do a header (or several headers) to show how his campaigns worked, but PB is a British community where we don't really "get" how the USA does religion, or the traditions that made it what it is.

    The best comparison for Kirk is probably Father Coughlin, who built up a radio audience of 20% of the US population in the 1930s for his support for Mussolini etc, but Coughlin did not have a national organisation. One of Kirk's messages is that Church should control State in a "Christian USA", which is Christian Nationalism and requires essentially a new Constitution. The tradition has always been there, but the framers of the Constitution rejected it.

    There's a good set of podcasts from earlier this year about what happened in White Evangelical churches - an internal culture war, but it's 6 x 40 minute episodes. A good place to start would be the "Tale of Two Churches" episode.

    https://www.ruthbraunstein.com/podcast
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,043
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    OOOOOOH. I wonder if this is related to what I heard t’other day
    Well, we'll never know, as you haven't told us what it was. ;)
    I told @taz
    LOL.

    You coward.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,256
    carnforth said:

    Seen elsewhere: AfD now in first place in German polling average:


    Means little though when the CDU and SPD are in government and combined their totals are well ahead of the AfD
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