How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
This was the first time I’d done the NC500 since it became the NC500. I’ve done all of it previously several times over before a route was put in - even now I managed 620 miles on the NC500 due to going off-route.
I get why the locals hate it - and I went right at the end of the season I only saw the edge of it. Three major problems- the number of vehicles, the type of vehicles and the skill of the drivers.
From what I read some smaller communities feel swamped by the tourist traffic. I saw a couple of hotspots - and yes I was contributing. Whaligoe Steps car park was hell. And the Smoo Cave was worse.
Types of vehicles? Motor homes and super cars. The latter also includes the wannabes in not quite super cars. I followed a gaggle of 4 into Lochinver, an Audi R8 V10 at the rear. Driving like utter cocks.
Driver skill. Or lack of. Never driven anything as large as a motor home before. And now they are for the first time on roads which in many places are single carriageway and in some places that plus 25% grades and hairpins. Seriously, some of the driving was terrifyingly bad.
I am contributing to the mess with my forthcoming 6 videos. Sorry.
ID cards will come, one way or the other, in due course. Except they probably won’t be cards, they’ll be an app.
A first step I could imagine might be to make passports and driving licences electronic. They’ve already phased out NI cards, and put your driving offences into a database. And DBS checks of course. And your NHS data.
Put your passport and driving licence on to an app in your smart phone with its own machine readable QR code. The new EU electronic entry system will require all our entry and exit data to be electronic. So this is just an obvious step. Perhaps even combined on the same app with your e-car key, EV charging code and your plane tickets.
Then government does the database work in the background to get stuff properly filed and linked up.
Next step, phasing out the paper or plastic versions. So you need the app to travel, drive or get a job or doctor’s appointment.
Meanwhile police or home office officials can apply to access your data if there is a security case to do so, as they already do with phone or internet history.
And hey presto you have an ID card, without ever having made it de jure compulsory.
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.
Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.
What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
It’s an argument against arbitrary collection and use of data by government, without controls.
Which is why this idea would be illegal in the EU. Especially in Germany, where it would go against their constitution.
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Like the previous voter in the Dunny-on-the-Wold by election in Blackadder III
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.
Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.
What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
It’s an argument against arbitrary collection and use of data by government, without controls.
Which is why this idea would be illegal in the EU. Especially in Germany, where it would go against their constitution.
This EU things sounds interesting. How does one join?
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.
Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.
What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
It’s an argument against arbitrary collection and use of data by government, without controls.
Which is why this idea would be illegal in the EU. Especially in Germany, where it would go against their constitution.
This EU things sounds interesting. How does one join?
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
Lol. UKIP are back! Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers. Their sole representative at any level
Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.
Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
Eurovision has repressed Briitish music for 50 years. Only once British pop music can claim to be truly sovereign, can we truly be said to be a democracy.
The whole edifice is falling apart, anyway. Von der Leyen will not be able to stop contestants like Andorra leaving, as much as her Wef master complain.
Andrea Jenkyns, Royaume Uni, Nul points!
They no longer announce Eurovision scores in French
I think they would make an exception for Ms Jenkyns...
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
No: the *employer* checks. Or if not, then no excuse and a whacking fine - even less excuse than the whacking fine that already happens.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
No: the *employer* checks. Or if not, then no excuse and a whacking fine - even less excuse than the whacking fine that already happens.
I understand. But that happens already. How do ID cards add anything?
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
The government has controlled immigration. They just chose to have more than you wanted.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
What I would like is something to stop banks etc demanding actual scanned copies of my passport - and solicitors too etc etc - at the drop of a mouse.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.
Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.
What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
I think if the earlier ID card proposal had been more basic and perceived as 'fair' then it might have had widespread adoption by now. As I remember the last proper attempt at it in the Blair years - there were massive fines for having your address wrong, or missing a detail - all on quite unreasonable time-frames for a brand new society-wide thing in peoples lives.
All on the head of the regular voter of course - if $government_body_X didn't update a record which they had - that was still your fault.
It's a fairly faint memory now - but that's the gist I remember of how it went down with the public.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
What I would like is something to stop banks etc demanding actual scanned copies of my passport - and solicitors too etc etc - at the drop of a mouse.
Yes, that is the Anti Money Laundering laws that is such a pain in the arse.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
What I would like is something to stop banks etc demanding actual scanned copies of my passport - and solicitors too etc etc - at the drop of a mouse.
Yes, that is the Anti Money Laundering laws that is such a pain in the arse.
I wonder why I bother being careful online, avoiding dodgy sites, etc. etc., when this sort of thing happens whenever I try to open a new account or something.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
There is a dystopian TV drama in there somewhere - a New Labour-era civil service thwarted on their initial attempt at ID cards, deliberately messing up on immigration for a decade or two in order to provoke and resurrect the idea.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
No: the *employer* checks. Or if not, then no excuse and a whacking fine - even less excuse than the whacking fine that already happens.
I understand. But that happens already. How do ID cards add anything?
Easier to understand than some HO bumf that nobody knows what it is suppose3d to look like. Plus it works both ways, as already noted - the sheep can be separated from the goats, without one having to hand over ones
there are also large fines for employers who employ people illegally.
Employers are divided into 3 groups.
1) those that use the above system and find no trouble in identifying who is able to work 2) those that find the system “difficult” or “complex” or “problematic” - because it would tell them what they don’t want to know 3) employees like Deliveroo, who use contracting as a “layering” system to wash their hands of all responsibility.
ID cards might or might not help with 2) - according to employers in this group, millions of UK workers have no way of proving who they are.
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.
Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.
What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
I think if the earlier ID card proposal had been more basic and perceived as 'fair' then it might have had widespread adoption by now. As I remember the last proper attempt at it in the Blair years - there were massive fines for having your address wrong, or missing a detail - all on quite unreasonable time-frames for a brand new society-wide thing in peoples lives.
All on the head of the regular voter of course - if $government_body_X didn't update a record which they had - that was still your fault.
It's a fairly faint memory now - but that's the gist I remember of how it went down with the public.
It was a terrible proposal compared to the majority of those operating in Europe, that only the authiritarian Thai government of the time was interested in emulating.
It would have to pretty different from that for me to.support it.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
What I would like is something to stop banks etc demanding actual scanned copies of my passport - and solicitors too etc etc - at the drop of a mouse.
Yes, that is the Anti Money Laundering laws that is such a pain in the arse.
I wonder why I bother being careful online, avoiding dodgy sites, etc. etc., when this sort of thing happens whenever I try to open a new account or something.
The biggest problem previously was that sea of data made it possible to be invisible, but now with AI they can catch every minnow.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
This was the first time I’d done the NC500 since it became the NC500. I’ve done all of it previously several times over before a route was put in - even now I managed 620 miles on the NC500 due to going off-route.
I get why the locals hate it - and I went right at the end of the season I only saw the edge of it. Three major problems- the number of vehicles, the type of vehicles and the skill of the drivers.
From what I read some smaller communities feel swamped by the tourist traffic. I saw a couple of hotspots - and yes I was contributing. Whaligoe Steps car park was hell. And the Smoo Cave was worse.
Types of vehicles? Motor homes and super cars. The latter also includes the wannabes in not quite super cars. I followed a gaggle of 4 into Lochinver, an Audi R8 V10 at the rear. Driving like utter cocks.
Driver skill. Or lack of. Never driven anything as large as a motor home before. And now they are for the first time on roads which in many places are single carriageway and in some places that plus 25% grades and hairpins. Seriously, some of the driving was terrifyingly bad.
I am contributing to the mess with my forthcoming 6 videos. Sorry.
Haven't done the full thing but back in my first trip to Ullapool pre NC500 (2013) the road was full of camper vans and motorbikes from the continent, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands all well represented. You have to keep your wits about you. A lot of the road further north and the windy sections are too difficult to upgrade, and there isn't enough accommodation throughout.
I can see why locals are fed up. I think you could go in a months time and it would only be marginally quieter. As much as I love the area driving round in the peak tourist season is not my idea of fun
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
So the combined Nationalist MSPs will be down 4 on 2021 based on the BallotBox Scotland projections, enabling Starmer to easily brush off any indyref2 calls from Swinney given the large Labour majority in the Commons too with no need for SNP support
Independence is not going to happen anytime soon
Unless Reform win the next GE with English and Welsh votes and fewer from Scotland, in which case all bets are off.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
there are also large fines for employers who employ people illegally.
Employers are divided into 3 groups.
1) those that use the above system and find no trouble in identifying who is able to work 2) those that find the system “difficult” or “complex” or “problematic” - because it would tell them what they don’t want to know 3) employees like Deliveroo, who use contracting as a “layering” system to wash their hands of all responsibility.
ID cards might or might not help with 2) - according to employers in this group, millions of UK workers have no way of proving who they are.
I worked for a global megacorp who could not clearly establish my right to work, and in the end fudged it by saying it was TUPE'd across. That was a few years ago and yours is a new service so perhaps that would fix the problem but essentially for many functions the government has been placing bureaucratic hurdles that assume possession of de facto ID cards such as passport or driving licence, either because they do not care or because they want to pressure us into accepting actual ID cards.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
Thank goodness Deliveroo and the like don't directly "employ" any such people. Because they are moral and law-abiding in both word and spirit.
I thought they have had massive raids recently and no doubt serious issues with these laws
I didn't/don't see anything in the news about it if they were hugely raided. Just news about $money while the DoorDash acquisition comes through. Certainly not noticed any reduction in their ebike psycho-drivers round here.
there are also large fines for employers who employ people illegally.
Employers are divided into 3 groups.
1) those that use the above system and find no trouble in identifying who is able to work 2) those that find the system “difficult” or “complex” or “problematic” - because it would tell them what they don’t want to know 3) employees like Deliveroo, who use contracting as a “layering” system to wash their hands of all responsibility.
ID cards might or might not help with 2) - according to employers in this group, millions of UK workers have no way of proving who they are.
I don’t really understand how deliveroo and the like meet their supply chain modern slavery requirements without more subcon visibility.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
No: the *employer* checks. Or if not, then no excuse and a whacking fine - even less excuse than the whacking fine that already happens.
I understand. But that happens already. How do ID cards add anything?
Easier to understand than some HO bumf that nobody knows what it is suppose3d to look like. Plus it works both ways, as already noted - the sheep can be separated from the goats, without one having to hand over ones
It actually works - I know, terrifying for a government IT project.
The big problem is people not using it. Because it would tell them 100% of their workforce is illegal.
Hence my proposal to increase the fine to £100k. And used the proceeds of crime stuff to remove the protection of limited companies etc. And give half to the reporter. Who also get indefinite leave to remain if they need it.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
Thank goodness Deliveroo and the like don't directly "employ" any such people. Because they are moral and law-abiding in both word and spirit.
I thought they have had massive raids recently and no doubt serious issues with these laws
I didn't/don't see anything in the news about it if they were hugely raided. Just news about $money while the DoorDash acquisition comes through. Certainly not noticed any reduction in their ebike psycho-drivers round here.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
there are also large fines for employers who employ people illegally.
Employers are divided into 3 groups.
1) those that use the above system and find no trouble in identifying who is able to work 2) those that find the system “difficult” or “complex” or “problematic” - because it would tell them what they don’t want to know 3) employees like Deliveroo, who use contracting as a “layering” system to wash their hands of all responsibility.
ID cards might or might not help with 2) - according to employers in this group, millions of UK workers have no way of proving who they are.
ID cards would massively solve a problem with 2 and an awful lot of employers in group 1 are actually in group 2 because if you run centralised checks and don't trust your staff you end up bypassing the problematic people
And yes I've probably repeated the same thing multiple times tonight but it's a big problem many people won't have noticed because they don't see it - reality is I'm only aware of it from stories Twin A tells me about her Cub and Guide packs.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
Blair is likely to have run his appointments past the commission, but it's absolutely certain that Johnson won't have done, he never did. Not that Blair hasn't massively profited from being a former PM
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...
I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
ID cards does Jack Shit to stop illegal working.
Requiring proof of right to work in the UK has been the law for the past twenty years.
Cash in hand criminal employers are why people are able to work illegally and ID cards don't answer that.
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Aired again relatively recently in the film, All of Us Strangers (which is very much recommended for anyone who hasn’t seen it).
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...
I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
ID cards does Jack Shit to stop illegal working.
Requiring proof of right to work in the UK has been the law for the past twenty years.
Cash in hand criminal employers are why people are able to work illegally and ID cards don't answer that.
So what questions do they actually answer or will this be like other stuff, like money laundering regs, something that causes hassle for normal people and the crims get around it ?
So the general group panel event, including Sweeney, on "miscarriages of justice", not Letby specific, is officially listed on the conference fringe at the official conference hotel. For the specific Letby event, it seems he has hired a non-conference function room at a hotel down the road, so that is not associated with conference.
there are also large fines for employers who employ people illegally.
Employers are divided into 3 groups.
1) those that use the above system and find no trouble in identifying who is able to work 2) those that find the system “difficult” or “complex” or “problematic” - because it would tell them what they don’t want to know 3) employees like Deliveroo, who use contracting as a “layering” system to wash their hands of all responsibility.
ID cards might or might not help with 2) - according to employers in this group, millions of UK workers have no way of proving who they are.
ID cards would massively solve a problem with 2 and an awful lot of employers in group 1 are actually in group 2 because if you run centralised checks and don't trust your staff you end up bypassing the problematic people
And yes I've probably repeated the same thing multiple times tonight but it's a big problem many people won't have noticed because they don't see it - reality is I'm only aware of it from stories Twin A tells me about her Cub and Guide packs.
My relative who runs a building business has no problem identifying his employees as legal to work.
The people who don’t, don’t want to check. The “it’s a bit tricky, plus all my 22 year old brick layers all came over on the Windrush and don’t have documents.”
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
Thank goodness Deliveroo and the like don't directly "employ" any such people. Because they are moral and law-abiding in both word and spirit.
I thought they have had massive raids recently and no doubt serious issues with these laws
I didn't/don't see anything in the news about it if they were hugely raided. Just news about $money while the DoorDash acquisition comes through. Certainly not noticed any reduction in their ebike psycho-drivers round here.
"The results of Operation Equalize come just weeks after the Home Office announced a new agreement with top food delivery firms that will see Deliveroo, Uber Eats and Just Eat receive new information concerning the location of asylum hotels to help better target people working illegally."
Which sounds much more like "Cosy arrangement with large firms carries on - if anything offering them recruitment hotspots. Smaller firms get hammered and raked through the local press. Which benefits the large firms in the end"
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...
I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
ID cards does Jack Shit to stop illegal working.
Requiring proof of right to work in the UK has been the law for the past twenty years.
Cash in hand criminal employers are why people are able to work illegally and ID cards don't answer that.
So what questions do they actually answer or will this be like other stuff, like money laundering regs, something that causes hassle for normal people and the crims get around it ?
Gives more power to the authoritarian state, does nothing for the public.
Anyone hiring anyone illegally can be prosecuted under existing laws, there's literally nothing new that ID cards would help with there.
President Trump filed a $10 billion dollar lawsuit against the @WSJ, its owners, publisher and two reporters, for reporting the existence of the letter, apparently produced below in compliance with subpoena, which he denied existed.
I see their argument is based on the number of constituencies they and Reform hold, not the proportion of votes. They only want proportional representation when it suits them...
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Could be wrong but I'm guessing that a lot of people who would have been appalled by the idea of ID cards 20 years ago are now completely fine with them because since then they've become addicted to using smartphones and they can't see the difference between being tracked on a smartphone and tracked by an ID card.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
Blair is likely to have run his appointments past the commission, but it's absolutely certain that Johnson won't have done, he never did. Not that Blair hasn't massively profited from being a former PM
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
Um, it's about confirming who you are and what you can / can't do to people too lazy to actually do the work required to verify things.
Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
Thank goodness Deliveroo and the like don't directly "employ" any such people. Because they are moral and law-abiding in both word and spirit.
I thought they have had massive raids recently and no doubt serious issues with these laws
I didn't/don't see anything in the news about it if they were hugely raided. Just news about $money while the DoorDash acquisition comes through. Certainly not noticed any reduction in their ebike psycho-drivers round here.
"The results of Operation Equalize come just weeks after the Home Office announced a new agreement with top food delivery firms that will see Deliveroo, Uber Eats and Just Eat receive new information concerning the location of asylum hotels to help better target people working illegally."
Which sounds much more like "Cosy arrangement with large firms carries on - if anything offering them recruitment hotspots. Smaller firms get hammered and raked through the local press. Which benefits the large firms in the end"
Bit like how Blair looked puzzled about the hoopla when IR35 was introduced - “But all the big consultancies said it was a great idea…”
Which it was - since it increased costs/tax for one man band contractors who’d been eating into their profits.
Banks had figured out that if you hire a bunch of individual contractors and have the team led by bank employees, the result was a cheaper team that was “aligned with the interests of the bank.”
I see their argument is based on the number of constituencies they and Reform hold, not the proportion of votes. They only want proportional representation when it suits them...
TBF that is what the current law on political broadcasting is based on, isn't it? They have to develop their complaints to OFCOM within that framework.
They have a point . The Lib Dem’s have over 70 MPs v Reforms 4 . The BBC seems determined to piss of those who defend it and want the corporation to continue and acts as cheerleaders for those who want to destroy it.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I see their argument is based on the number of constituencies they and Reform hold, not the proportion of votes. They only want proportional representation when it suits them...
You can want to change the rules, but you play by what the rules currently are.
I see their argument is based on the number of constituencies they and Reform hold, not the proportion of votes. They only want proportional representation when it suits them...
You can want to change the rules, but you play by what the rules currently are.
They want to extend the same rules - see the final paragraph. They want every day to be election period.
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
Blair is likely to have run his appointments past the commission, but it's absolutely certain that Johnson won't have done, he never did. Not that Blair hasn't massively profited from being a former PM
Maybe but why would anyone be surprised by Boris
Perhaps, but the Magic of Boris is that lots of people are surprised when Boris eventually gets round to letting them down.
New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview - rules out running for deputy leader - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals - spells out long standing support for ID cards - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary
Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...
I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
ID cards does Jack Shit to stop illegal working.
Requiring proof of right to work in the UK has been the law for the past twenty years.
Cash in hand criminal employers are why people are able to work illegally and ID cards don't answer that.
So what questions do they actually answer or will this be like other stuff, like money laundering regs, something that causes hassle for normal people and the crims get around it ?
The answer they provide is for people who don't have passports when a lazy employer asks who has the right to work in the UK.
No passport and it's easier to employ the immigrant with the paperwork to hand...
On restricting computing and the Internet for kids.
My son's just started Year 7, and they have received iPads from the school for schoolwork. We were informed that the iPads would be locked down, with careful restrictions on the sites that can be visited. These would be for educational purposes only.
I came home from a swim to find my son and a friend playing very non-educational computer games on their iPads. After having had them for less than a week. Apparently a list of sites that can be accessed, and ways around the restrictions, are already common knowledge...
TBF, this was pretty much what I expected to happen...
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I was in a hotel last week - guess what they wanted my id to confirm I was part of the booking.
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
They have a point . The Lib Dem’s have over 70 MPs v Reforms 4 . The BBC seems determined to piss of those who defend it and want the corporation to continue and acts as cheerleaders for those who want to destroy it.
Though Reform received more votes at the last election than the Lib Dems
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I was in a hotel last week - guess what they wanted my id to confirm I was part of the booking.
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
When we stayed at St Pancras hotel a few weeks back, they asked for ID.. I hadn't actually taken any ID with me aside from bank cards, and neither had Mrs J. They shrugged and said nothing - though I did have the bank card that I had used to pay for the room.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I was in a hotel last week - guess what they wanted my id to confirm I was part of the booking.
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
We must go to different hotels. I have noticed an increase in the past few years - especially in London. But generally not.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I was in a hotel last week - guess what they wanted my id to confirm I was part of the booking.
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
When we stayed at St Pancras hotel a few weeks back, they asked for ID.. I hadn't actually taken any ID with me aside from bank cards, and neither had Mrs J. They shrugged and said nothing - though I did have the bank card that I had used to pay for the room.
It's far more a London thing then elsewhere in the UK. Most places are far more concerned in getting a credit card number so you can charge things to the room.
They have a point . The Lib Dem’s have over 70 MPs v Reforms 4 . The BBC seems determined to piss of those who defend it and want the corporation to continue and acts as cheerleaders for those who want to destroy it.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I was in a hotel last week - guess what they wanted my id to confirm I was part of the booking.
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
When we stayed at St Pancras hotel a few weeks back, they asked for ID.. I hadn't actually taken any ID with me aside from bank cards, and neither had Mrs J. They shrugged and said nothing - though I did have the bank card that I had used to pay for the room.
In some countries, especially those with a history of authoritarian government, like Spain and Italy, it's a requirement - so the police know where you are.
On a similar topic, in some European countries you have to tell the government directly if you're moving house to another city. In others (China, Cuba etc) you actually need permission to move.
They have a point . The Lib Dem’s have over 70 MPs v Reforms 4 . The BBC seems determined to piss of those who defend it and want the corporation to continue and acts as cheerleaders for those who want to destroy it.
If the LibDems were small but polling high they would be arguing polling numbers. Because they have lots of seats and Reform are polling high they are arguing seat numbers.
They have a point . The Lib Dem’s have over 70 MPs v Reforms 4 . The BBC seems determined to piss of those who defend it and want the corporation to continue and acts as cheerleaders for those who want to destroy it.
Though Reform received more votes at the last election than the Lib Dems
It was the same in the 1980s as I recall. The then Alliance led the polls but it was always Conservatives and Labour. After 1997, despite winning 46 seats, the LDs were ignored.
The problem is what it has always been - a plurality takes time and effort, a binary is easier. To be fair to your party, even the Conservatives, as His Majesty's Opposition, don't get the air time they deserve and you'd be forgiven for thinking Reform were the leading opposition to Labour in Parliament.
Creating and maintaining a binary choice is what the media in all its form has always been about - one voice for, one voice against. Perhaps the broadcasters think that's all our poor little brains can manage.
On restricting computing and the Internet for kids.
My son's just started Year 7, and they have received iPads from the school for schoolwork. We were informed that the iPads would be locked down, with careful restrictions on the sites that can be visited. These would be for educational purposes only.
I came home from a swim to find my son and a friend playing very non-educational computer games on their iPads. After having had them for less than a week. Apparently a list of sites that can be accessed, and ways around the restrictions, are already common knowledge...
TBF, this was pretty much what I expected to happen...
Remember when Trump said the birthday card he signed and sent to Epstein “doesn’t exist”?
Anyway, here it is:
Remember this ?
Forgive my language but this story is complete and utter bullshit. The WSJ should be ashamed for publishing it.
Where is this letter? Would you be shocked to learn they never showed it to us before publishing it? Does anyone honestly believe this sounds like Donald Trump? https://x.com/JDVance/status/1945995384200806709
Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney · 2h JUST IN: Federal appeals court upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 million judgment against Donald Trump, rejecting his claim that presidential immunity should have shielded him from liability.
I still think this case is extraordinary. To be accused of rape, for it not to be proven, and then to be sued for denying it, is utterly unhinged.
The jury found that he had committed sexual assault. That's what he was subsequently sued for denying, repeatedly, and further libelling Carroll. Repeatedly.
You're right, it was an extraordinary case. Most defendants who lose in court, and lose again in subsequent appeals, sent try to behave as though it didn't happen.
It was not proven in a court of law, nor will it ever be. The whole thing is utterly absurd.
Your track record of posting shows that you have little idea of what is real and absurd.
It's also an extraordinarily brave line of argument to take, on a board filled to the rafters with lawyers.
For us to have to bring in ID cards solely because the government hasn't been able to control immigration over the last 20 years or so is like something out of a horror film imo.
I assume you have a passport or a driving licence which you have to show for banking, mortgage, driving issues, and other day to day requests for ID so a nationwide ID is hardly something from a horror film
I don't have a passport or driving license. I'm not madly against an ID card - but am just a bit suspect that it'd be an info-grab by various departments and all fall on the regular person to comply with whatever Byzantine rules, fines, jail-term they came up with on a whim. Not to mention the arguments about which particular shade of blue it should be, and if it should be the BritCard or the ScotCard or the CitizenCard or the.....
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
I assume you haven't had any dealings with banks, mortgages, house sales or any of the many other issues that require passport or driving licence ID then
Consider checking into a hotel. In many countries this requires ID. Here it (mostly) doesn't.
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
I was in a hotel last week - guess what they wanted my id to confirm I was part of the booking.
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
When we stayed at St Pancras hotel a few weeks back, they asked for ID.. I hadn't actually taken any ID with me aside from bank cards, and neither had Mrs J. They shrugged and said nothing - though I did have the bank card that I had used to pay for the room.
It's far more a London thing then elsewhere in the UK. Most places are far more concerned in getting a credit card number so you can charge things to the room.
I wonder if that's partly that London hotels get a lot of foreign visitors -- I think they are supposed to get passport info for "aliens"...
They have a point . The Lib Dem’s have over 70 MPs v Reforms 4 . The BBC seems determined to piss of those who defend it and want the corporation to continue and acts as cheerleaders for those who want to destroy it.
Though Reform received more votes at the last election than the Lib Dems
It was the same in the 1980s as I recall. The then Alliance led the polls but it was always Conservatives and Labour. After 1997, despite winning 46 seats, the LDs were ignored.
The problem is what it has always been - a plurality takes time and effort, a binary is easier. To be fair to your party, even the Conservatives, as His Majesty's Opposition, don't get the air time they deserve and you'd be forgiven for thinking Reform were the leading opposition to Labour in Parliament.
Creating and maintaining a binary choice is what the media in all its form has always been about - one voice for, one voice against. Perhaps the broadcasters think that's all our poor little brains can manage.
I am not unduly concerned about the conservatives coverage as they need time, but Farage is the media's star and also Labour and, today the Unions, and now the Lib Dems do not realise that when they keep him in the news he just laps it up and adds votes
I am convinced that in the next few years he will be found out, but in the meantime the government needs to get on governing and not giving Farage more oxygen
Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).
Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.
Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.
Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.
At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...
We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.
I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
People stopping wherever there is a nice view, regardless of inconvenience, are provoking a bit of a backlash. Use the recommended campsites and put some money into the local economy.
Could be wrong but I'm guessing that a lot of people who would have been appalled by the idea of ID cards 20 years ago are now completely fine with them because since then they've become addicted to using smartphones and they can't see the difference between being tracked on a smartphone and tracked by an ID card.
I was broadly ok with the principle of one back then and I still am. ID cards would solve a lot of issues and they could be done quickly and cheaply:
1. Have the DVLA remit enlarged and create a “driving license” for people not entitled to drive. 2. Have an official digital version so that I don’t have to take a photo of the sodding thing every time a bank want to recheck my ID
The only way the UK has any greater protection than the US against this is that current anti-discrimination legislation would mean that everyone would be subject to this kind of search.
The Supreme Court just ruled that racial profiling is acceptable, and constitutional.
It is not hyperbole to say that thanks to today's decision, every Latino citizen in Los Angeles should consider carrying their passport or birth certificate with them at all time. The Supreme Court has now essentially greenlit Trump's DHS demanding their papers at any point. https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1965090112502661462
“ Papiere bitte” without the uplifting happy ending.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
No: the *employer* checks. Or if not, then no excuse and a whacking fine - even less excuse than the whacking fine that already happens.
I understand. But that happens already. How do ID cards add anything?
Easier to understand than some HO bumf that nobody knows what it is suppose3d to look like. Plus it works both ways, as already noted - the sheep can be separated from the goats, without one having to hand over ones
It actually works - I know, terrifying for a government IT project.
The big problem is people not using it. Because it would tell them 100% of their workforce is illegal.
Hence my proposal to increase the fine to £100k. And used the proceeds of crime stuff to remove the protection of limited companies etc. And give half to the reporter. Who also get indefinite leave to remain if they need it.
You'd have half the population reporting every firm in the country for a chance to enter your £100,000 lotto.
Looking at Norway, a big advance for Fremskridt and a big fall for Hojre for whom this might be their worst result since 2005.
Labour are up slightly at 28% which should leave them largest party with 51-53 seats.
It's another election where the opposition centre-right bloc, having at one point held a massive lead over the incumbent centre-left Government, has failed to capitalise and indeed ended up losing the election. This time last year, the centre-right parties (including Venstre and the Kristeligt Folkeparti) had a 7-point advantage over the incumbents.
The other big losers have been the Centre Party who have lost more than half their support falling from 13.5% to 6%.
Nonetheless, based on what I'm reading, the centre-left or "Red" bloc parties have about 49% and the "Blue" bloc about 47% so a better result for the Blue bloc than some of the late polls were suggesting but nonetheless probably means just under 90 seats for the Reds and just over 80 seats for the Blues (85 needed for a majority in the 169 seat Storting).
Probably the end of the road for Erma Solberg, Conservative (Hojre) leader since 2001 - must make her one of the longest serving party leaders in democratic Europe.
Could be wrong but I'm guessing that a lot of people who would have been appalled by the idea of ID cards 20 years ago are now completely fine with them because since then they've become addicted to using smartphones and they can't see the difference between being tracked on a smartphone and tracked by an ID card.
I was broadly ok with the principle of one back then and I still am. ID cards would solve a lot of issues and they could be done quickly and cheaply:
1. Have the DVLA remit enlarged and create a “driving license” for people not entitled to drive. 2. Have an official digital version so that I don’t have to take a photo of the sodding thing every time a bank want to recheck my ID
Our daughter has just gone through a divorce after 26 years, is selling their home and buying one in her own name
You wouldn't believe the number of demands for sight of her passport and driving licence throughout this process
This experience has convinced me ID is the way forward
Could be wrong but I'm guessing that a lot of people who would have been appalled by the idea of ID cards 20 years ago are now completely fine with them because since then they've become addicted to using smartphones and they can't see the difference between being tracked on a smartphone and tracked by an ID card.
I was broadly ok with the principle of one back then and I still am. ID cards would solve a lot of issues and they could be done quickly and cheaply:
1. Have the DVLA remit enlarged and create a “driving license” for people not entitled to drive. 2. Have an official digital version so that I don’t have to take a photo of the sodding thing every time a bank want to recheck my ID
And even more to the point, don't have to email the bloody image.
How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
But to make use of that you'd have to insist everyone carries them - so the authorities can turn up to the shop and check right to work.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
No: the *employer* checks. Or if not, then no excuse and a whacking fine - even less excuse than the whacking fine that already happens.
I understand. But that happens already. How do ID cards add anything?
Easier to understand than some HO bumf that nobody knows what it is suppose3d to look like. Plus it works both ways, as already noted - the sheep can be separated from the goats, without one having to hand over ones
It actually works - I know, terrifying for a government IT project.
The big problem is people not using it. Because it would tell them 100% of their workforce is illegal.
Hence my proposal to increase the fine to £100k. And used the proceeds of crime stuff to remove the protection of limited companies etc. And give half to the reporter. Who also get indefinite leave to remain if they need it.
You'd have half the population reporting every firm in the country for a chance to enter your £100,000 lotto.
It was good enough for the Romans. But (a) you would risk catching it in the neck if the accusation failed and (b) had to do the actial prosecution, so (c) would need to budget for M. T. Cicero to do the talking in court.
Bell Ribeiro-Addy of the Socialist Campaign Group has in the last hour announced she is standing has the backing of 2020 deputy leadership candidate Richard Burgon, also SCG, who will not stand
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Remember we fine firms £50,000 for not checking the status of workers which for many firms operating a better safe than sorry approach justifies them binning anyone without a passport...
I get why the locals hate it - and I went right at the end of the season I only saw the edge of it. Three major problems- the number of vehicles, the type of vehicles and the skill of the drivers.
From what I read some smaller communities feel swamped by the tourist traffic. I saw a couple of hotspots - and yes I was contributing. Whaligoe Steps car park was hell. And the Smoo Cave was worse.
Types of vehicles? Motor homes and super cars. The latter also includes the wannabes in not quite super cars. I followed a gaggle of 4 into Lochinver, an Audi R8 V10 at the rear. Driving like utter cocks.
Driver skill. Or lack of. Never driven anything as large as a motor home before. And now they are for the first time on roads which in many places are single carriageway and in some places that plus 25% grades and hairpins. Seriously, some of the driving was terrifyingly bad.
I am contributing to the mess with my forthcoming 6 videos. Sorry.
A first step I could imagine might be to make passports and driving licences electronic. They’ve already phased out NI cards, and put your driving offences into a database. And DBS checks of course. And your NHS data.
Put your passport and driving licence on to an app in your smart phone with its own machine readable QR code. The new EU electronic entry system will require all our entry and exit data to be electronic. So this is just an obvious step. Perhaps even combined on the same app with your e-car key, EV charging code and your plane tickets.
Then government does the database work in the background to get stuff properly filed and linked up.
Next step, phasing out the paper or plastic versions. So you need the app to travel, drive or get a job or doctor’s appointment.
Meanwhile police or home office officials can apply to access your data if there is a security case to do so, as they already do with phone or internet history.
And hey presto you have an ID card, without ever having made it de jure compulsory.
Which is why this idea would be illegal in the EU. Especially in Germany, where it would go against their constitution.
Forced carrying wasn't suggested under Blair's scheme, IIRC. And many more would be against it if it were.
(Fun fact, in Spain it's a constitutional requirement to carry a Spanish ID card, EU ID card or passport on one's person at all times. Even when we were in the EU, driving licenses didn't count.)
https://www.gov.uk/penalties-for-employing-illegal-workers
Remember when Trump said the birthday card he signed and sent to Epstein “doesn’t exist”?
Anyway, here it is:
EXCL: A trove of leaked data from Boris Johnson’s private office reveals how the former PM has been profiting from contacts and influence he gained in office in a possible breach of ethics and lobbying rules. All the details here
https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1965119489416343713
All on the head of the regular voter of course - if $government_body_X didn't update a record which they had - that was still your fault.
It's a fairly faint memory now - but that's the gist I remember of how it went down with the public.
there are also large fines for employers who employ people illegally.
Employers are divided into 3 groups.
1) those that use the above system and find no trouble in identifying who is able to work
2) those that find the system “difficult” or “complex” or “problematic” - because it would tell them what they don’t want to know
3) employees like Deliveroo, who use contracting as a “layering” system to wash their hands of all responsibility.
ID cards might or might not help with 2) - according to employers in this group, millions of UK workers have no way of proving who they are.
It would have to pretty different from that for me to.support it.
I can see why locals are fed up. I think you could go in a months time and it would only be marginally quieter. As much as I love the area driving round in the peak tourist season is not my idea of fun
https://x.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1965108072080113805?s=61
It actually works - I know, terrifying for a government IT project.
The big problem is people not using it. Because it would tell them 100% of their workforce is illegal.
Hence my proposal to increase the fine to £100k. And used the proceeds of crime stuff to remove the protection of limited companies etc. And give half to the reporter. Who also get indefinite leave to remain if they need it.
And yes I've probably repeated the same thing multiple times tonight but it's a big problem many people won't have noticed because they don't see it - reality is I'm only aware of it from stories Twin A tells me about her Cub and Guide packs.
Not that Blair hasn't massively profited from being a former PM
Imagine how much they could fine you for having the old BritCard when you should actually have a GBCard. Ker-ching!
Requiring proof of right to work in the UK has been the law for the past twenty years.
Cash in hand criminal employers are why people are able to work illegally and ID cards don't answer that.
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1965128029388013952?s=19
The people who don’t, don’t want to check. The “it’s a bit tricky, plus all my 22 year old brick layers all came over on the Windrush and don’t have documents.”
"The results of Operation Equalize come just weeks after the Home Office announced a new agreement with top food delivery firms that will see Deliveroo, Uber Eats and Just Eat receive new information concerning the location of asylum hotels to help better target people working illegally."
Which sounds much more like "Cosy arrangement with large firms carries on - if anything offering them recruitment hotspots. Smaller firms get hammered and raked through the local press. Which benefits the large firms in the end"
Trump won't be impressed by his taking cash off Maduro.
Anyone hiring anyone illegally can be prosecuted under existing laws, there's literally nothing new that ID cards would help with there.
President Trump filed a $10 billion dollar lawsuit against the @WSJ, its owners, publisher and two reporters, for reporting the existence of the letter, apparently produced below in compliance with subpoena, which he denied existed.
https://x.com/GarrettHaake/status/1965128123084837141
Which it was - since it increased costs/tax for one man band contractors who’d been eating into their profits.
Banks had figured out that if you hire a bunch of individual contractors and have the team led by bank employees, the result was a cheaper team that was “aligned with the interests of the bank.”
If we get ID cards, even if we don't have to carry them, hotels will start asking. This and a thousand other things will end with us carrying them all the time anyway. And not doing so will come to be considered suspicious.
No passport and it's easier to employ the immigrant with the paperwork to hand...
My son's just started Year 7, and they have received iPads from the school for schoolwork. We were informed that the iPads would be locked down, with careful restrictions on the sites that can be visited. These would be for educational purposes only.
I came home from a swim to find my son and a friend playing very non-educational computer games on their iPads. After having had them for less than a week. Apparently a list of sites that can be accessed, and ways around the restrictions, are already common knowledge...
TBF, this was pretty much what I expected to happen...
In fact the only hotel who doesn't ask for my id every time I stay only doesn't ask me because I'm there so frequently.
BBC News - Large gap between vote share and MPs hits Reform and Greens - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o?app-referrer=deep-link
On a similar topic, in some European countries you have to tell the government directly if you're moving house to another city. In others (China, Cuba etc) you actually need permission to move.
When the facts are on your side etc.
The problem is what it has always been - a plurality takes time and effort, a binary is easier. To be fair to your party, even the Conservatives, as His Majesty's Opposition, don't get the air time they deserve and you'd be forgiven for thinking Reform were the leading opposition to Labour in Parliament.
Creating and maintaining a binary choice is what the media in all its form has always been about - one voice for, one voice against. Perhaps the broadcasters think that's all our poor little brains can manage.
Forgive my language but this story is complete and utter bullshit. The WSJ should be ashamed for publishing it.
Where is this letter? Would you be shocked to learn they never showed it to us before publishing it? Does anyone honestly believe this sounds like Donald Trump?
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1945995384200806709
https://bsky.app/profile/josh.politics.co.uk/post/3lye3agm53k2r
I am convinced that in the next few years he will be found out, but in the meantime the government needs to get on governing and not giving Farage more oxygen
1. Have the DVLA remit enlarged and create a “driving license” for people not entitled to drive.
2. Have an official digital version so that I don’t have to take a photo of the sodding thing every time a bank want to recheck my ID
Labour are up slightly at 28% which should leave them largest party with 51-53 seats.
It's another election where the opposition centre-right bloc, having at one point held a massive lead over the incumbent centre-left Government, has failed to capitalise and indeed ended up losing the election. This time last year, the centre-right parties (including Venstre and the Kristeligt Folkeparti) had a 7-point advantage over the incumbents.
The other big losers have been the Centre Party who have lost more than half their support falling from 13.5% to 6%.
Nonetheless, based on what I'm reading, the centre-left or "Red" bloc parties have about 49% and the "Blue" bloc about 47% so a better result for the Blue bloc than some of the late polls were suggesting but nonetheless probably means just under 90 seats for the Reds and just over 80 seats for the Blues (85 needed for a majority in the 169 seat Storting).
Probably the end of the road for Erma Solberg, Conservative (Hojre) leader since 2001 - must make her one of the longest serving party leaders in democratic Europe.
You wouldn't believe the number of demands for sight of her passport and driving licence throughout this process
This experience has convinced me ID is the way forward