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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,911
    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,902
    kinabalu said:

    My first first!

    I wasn't loitering by the gates, honest.

    I'm astonished that it should be so. I must have had three or four and I post less frequently than you do. Still you made good use of the opportunity gaining three likes and now an Omnium reply!

    What great aspirations you must now entertain for your second first.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    "I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places" - well, yes, except most of them are also passing places!

    Met a bloke from Kinlochbervie a little while back. He was spitting feathers about the impact of NC500 for residents. Much of the road - in the northern stretch - is single-track with passing places and there is insufficient accommodation for the huge influx of visitors that NC 500 has generated. Durness is a disaster area at the height of the season. As ever, the promotion has run far ahead of the infrastructure.

    TBH, I'm a bit sorry at the way it's been overrun. Though, no doubt, it has brought in the cash.
    See also this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Coast_500#History
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,904

    Nigelb said:

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    ·
    2h
    JUST IN: Federal appeals court upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 million judgment against Donald Trump, rejecting his claim that presidential immunity should have shielded him from liability.

    I still think this case is extraordinary. To be accused of rape, for it not to be proven, and then to be sued for denying it, is utterly unhinged.
    The jury found that he had committed sexual assault.
    That's what he was subsequently sued for denying, repeatedly, and further libelling Carroll. Repeatedly.

    You're right, it was an extraordinary case. Most defendants who lose in court, and lose again in subsequent appeals, sent try to behave as though it didn't happen.
    It was not proven in a court of law, nor will it ever be. The whole thing is utterly absurd.
    Your track record of posting shows that you have little idea of what is real and absurd.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    "Why Do French Governments Keep Collapsing?
    PoliticalFronts"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuqmutvUQ7Y
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,307
    French government goes down. I am not sure they are in a worse position than us but they are punching, that is for sure. We just have to be careful that France does not trigger a sovereign debt crisis because we are walking on wafer thin ice over an inferno. Now is not the time for all hell to break loose. Gulp.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 180
    Scott_xP said:

    @paulhutcheon

    EXC: A Scottish Labour MP has branded Douglas Alexander a "wee p***k" after Ian Murray was sacked.

    The MP said: “If I had a pound for everyone who liked Douglas, I would have 50p.”

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1965113173020643568

    Alex Massie's column on Saturday was on this.

    Starmer has brought a lackey on board
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190

    Nigelb said:

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    ·
    2h
    JUST IN: Federal appeals court upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 million judgment against Donald Trump, rejecting his claim that presidential immunity should have shielded him from liability.

    I still think this case is extraordinary. To be accused of rape, for it not to be proven, and then to be sued for denying it, is utterly unhinged.
    The jury found that he had committed sexual assault.
    That's what he was subsequently sued for denying, repeatedly, and further libelling Carroll. Repeatedly.

    You're right, it was an extraordinary case. Most defendants who lose in court, and lose again in subsequent appeals, sent try to behave as though it didn't happen.
    It was not proven in a court of law, nor will it ever be. The whole thing is utterly absurd.
    Rape wasn't proven in a court of law - sexual assault was.

    Trump has since denied sexual assault occurred even though the courts have found it did occur and this judgement is to tell Trump to just keep quiet about it - although he doesn't seem to understand the Streisand effect and keeps protesting...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,280
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    My first first!

    I wasn't loitering by the gates, honest.

    I'm astonished that it should be so. I must have had three or four and I post less frequently than you do. Still you made good use of the opportunity gaining three likes and now an Omnium reply!

    What great aspirations you must now entertain for your second first.
    The Omnium reply is worth 25 likes. I face the immediate future as a happy camper hard left social democrat.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387
    DoctorG said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulhutcheon

    EXC: A Scottish Labour MP has branded Douglas Alexander a "wee p***k" after Ian Murray was sacked.

    The MP said: “If I had a pound for everyone who liked Douglas, I would have 50p.”

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1965113173020643568

    Alex Massie's column on Saturday was on this.

    Starmer has brought a lackey on board
    Did the column mention Wendy Alexander?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,904
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    Not as many as you might think. It's wildly overpopular at peak times/places. RP will have a view, but DYOR. Mind, I'd tend to go in May/
    ?June or September anyway for the nicest flora/birds/fewer midges.
    Midges seem to see my body as an all you can eat buffet so avoiding them is a must.
    Depends so much on weather on the day and location - our friends who did the route and came to see us in the Lowlands and 'camped' on our drive complained the worst midges were here!

    But a warm humid calm evening lowland by a river through peat bogs in August ...

    edit: get some of the smidge stuff, or Avon Skin so soft, or whatever is recommended nopw.

    https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/
    https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/midges-in-scotland/
    https://www.visitscotland.com/travel-planning/midges-ticks-scotland
    I’ll look it up.

    Staying in Venice last week I was besieged by them. Same when I was in an Airbnb in Soller in July.

    Thanks for the links too 👍
    Don't let me discourage you - but going off piste in places might be very worthwhile, in the sense of not following every bit. For instance, looking at the map I'd be inclined to go to the Cromarty-Nigg ferry and visit Cromarty and Fortrose, and cut from Dingwall through Strathpeffer.
    I fear the touristification of the NC500 will advantage a few locals who own B&Bs, campsites, shops and petrol stations, and royally p*ss everyone else off. I'm very glad I walked the coast up there in 2003, well before it began. Even then, you would get trains of German and Dutch campervans passing by every so often.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 180
    Carnyx said:

    DoctorG said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulhutcheon

    EXC: A Scottish Labour MP has branded Douglas Alexander a "wee p***k" after Ian Murray was sacked.

    The MP said: “If I had a pound for everyone who liked Douglas, I would have 50p.”

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1965113173020643568

    Alex Massie's column on Saturday was on this.

    Starmer has brought a lackey on board
    Did the column mention Wendy Alexander?
    Lol nope, I almost forgot about her. Shame she's not still around to reprise her hilarious Hungry caterpillar skit with Mr Swinney
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,147
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    "I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places" - well, yes, except most of them are also passing places!

    Met a bloke from Kinlochbervie a little while back. He was spitting feathers about the impact of NC500 for residents. Much of the road - in the northern stretch - is single-track with passing places and there is insufficient accommodation for the huge influx of visitors that NC 500 has generated. Durness is a disaster area at the height of the season. As ever, the promotion has run far ahead of the infrastructure.

    TBH, I'm a bit sorry at the way it's been overrun. Though, no doubt, it has brought in the cash.
    See also this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Coast_500#History
    Yeah. Notable that the smaller communities haven't benefited. The campervans simply fuel and provision up in Inverness and away they go.

    And, I see, HIE's involvement. The usual thing, a public body with money to spend on tourism, so ahead it goes as it doesn't have anything else to do, without regard for the consequences. That said, it's not been as nearly catastrophic as the money spaffed on the Cairngorm funicular.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,904
    Foss said:

    Some sorts of reports of thr police investigation of possible "hazardous materials", at Heathrow.

    Could be a false alarm, as they are usually, but a lot of annoyed travellers and disrupted journeys.

    They seem to have been lost in the noise, but there were also terror raids last Friday.
    All apparently British nationals.

    That was three days ago; I assume that they should have either been charged or released by now?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    edited September 8
    Is DoubleCarpet around? I'd like to have some links to the Norway election night shows if possible.

    Polls close in about 35 mins.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,031
    DavidL said:

    French government goes down. I am not sure they are in a worse position than us but they are punching, that is for sure. We just have to be careful that France does not trigger a sovereign debt crisis because we are walking on wafer thin ice over an inferno. Now is not the time for all hell to break loose. Gulp.

    Pretty hard for them to trigger a proper sovereign debt crisis because they’re in the Eurozone so there is the vast structural guarantee of the ECB and German balance sheet underwriting them. Even Greece managed its way through.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190
    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,255
    What's Gove got to do with it?
    Who's Gove but a second rate politician?
    What's Gove, what has Gove got to do with it?
    Who needs Mike Gove now his old seat's gone Lib Dem?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    Not as many as you might think. It's wildly overpopular at peak times/places. RP will have a view, but DYOR. Mind, I'd tend to go in May/
    ?June or September anyway for the nicest flora/birds/fewer midges.
    Midges seem to see my body as an all you can eat buffet so avoiding them is a must.
    Depends so much on weather on the day and location - our friends who did the route and came to see us in the Lowlands and 'camped' on our drive complained the worst midges were here!

    But a warm humid calm evening lowland by a river through peat bogs in August ...

    edit: get some of the smidge stuff, or Avon Skin so soft, or whatever is recommended nopw.

    https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/
    https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/midges-in-scotland/
    https://www.visitscotland.com/travel-planning/midges-ticks-scotland
    I’ll look it up.

    Staying in Venice last week I was besieged by them. Same when I was in an Airbnb in Soller in July.

    Thanks for the links too 👍
    Don't let me discourage you - but going off piste in places might be very worthwhile, in the sense of not following every bit. For instance, looking at the map I'd be inclined to go to the Cromarty-Nigg ferry and visit Cromarty and Fortrose, and cut from Dingwall through Strathpeffer.
    I fear the touristification of the NC500 will advantage a few locals who own B&Bs, campsites, shops and petrol stations, and royally p*ss everyone else off. I'm very glad I walked the coast up there in 2003, well before it began. Even then, you would get trains of German and Dutch campervans passing by every so often.
    Oh, it's too late now. It's also damaging stay-day figures off the route, if what I read is correct - diverting people to the peak trough (if that isn't as mixed metaphor)..

    https://www.duckrabbit.info/blog/2021/09/nc500-the-long-and-wounding-road/
    https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2019/may/25/dark-side-scotland-north-coast-500-route-speeding-congestion-protest

    The impresion I got was that it was an initiative by a group of local businesses through the area tourist boards etc. and they managed to get momentum which nobody could then gainsay.

  • DoctorG said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulhutcheon

    EXC: A Scottish Labour MP has branded Douglas Alexander a "wee p***k" after Ian Murray was sacked.

    The MP said: “If I had a pound for everyone who liked Douglas, I would have 50p.”

    https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1965113173020643568

    Alex Massie's column on Saturday was on this.

    Starmer has brought a lackey on board
    Chumocracy returns after Cameron (and possibly Boris to an extent). It is not just that politically aligned Cabinets can be a bad idea, as late-term Mrs Thatcher discovered, but they all seem to know each other.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,031
    edited September 8

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    Not as many as you might think. It's wildly overpopular at peak times/places. RP will have a view, but DYOR. Mind, I'd tend to go in May/
    ?June or September anyway for the nicest flora/birds/fewer midges.
    Midges seem to see my body as an all you can eat buffet so avoiding them is a must.
    Depends so much on weather on the day and location - our friends who did the route and came to see us in the Lowlands and 'camped' on our drive complained the worst midges were here!

    But a warm humid calm evening lowland by a river through peat bogs in August ...

    edit: get some of the smidge stuff, or Avon Skin so soft, or whatever is recommended nopw.

    https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/
    https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/midges-in-scotland/
    https://www.visitscotland.com/travel-planning/midges-ticks-scotland
    I’ll look it up.

    Staying in Venice last week I was besieged by them. Same when I was in an Airbnb in Soller in July.

    Thanks for the links too 👍
    Don't let me discourage you - but going off piste in places might be very worthwhile, in the sense of not following every bit. For instance, looking at the map I'd be inclined to go to the Cromarty-Nigg ferry and visit Cromarty and Fortrose, and cut from Dingwall through Strathpeffer.
    I fear the touristification of the NC500 will advantage a few locals who own B&Bs, campsites, shops and petrol stations, and royally p*ss everyone else off. I'm very glad I walked the coast up there in 2003, well before it began. Even then, you would get trains of German and Dutch campervans passing by every so often.
    An incredible case study of successfully inventing a new brand and transforming a tourist destination.

    What others are out there? The 3 peaks I suppose, but that’s a minority attraction. Obviously the old French GRs, but those are decades old. The SA Garden Route. SW coast path.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,902
    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    My first first!

    I wasn't loitering by the gates, honest.

    I'm astonished that it should be so. I must have had three or four and I post less frequently than you do. Still you made good use of the opportunity gaining three likes and now an Omnium reply!

    What great aspirations you must now entertain for your second first.
    The Omnium reply is worth 25 likes. I face the immediate future as a happy camper hard left social democrat.
    Excellent.

    I recently asked myself and my two best friends about quite who/what they'd choose for the future. It rather baffled them to come up with someone they'd go in to bat for. As a disenchanted Tory it's clearly tricky. Happy camper hard left social democrats undoubtedly have a little more choice these days - do you have any preferred winner in such things? (I ask because I think that the deputy labour thing may actually be quite important - there's a chance for a strong candidate from the broad centre, or there's a chance for nutters over sense.)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,280

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,663
    edited September 8
    80 seconds of satire on Tylenol (aka paracetamol) causes autism (© US HHS Secretary RFK Jr) as discussed here the other night https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z4CMTkEnwPI
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,829
    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    I can't be fussed about id cards.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,186
    Lol, France.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,646
    edited September 8

    Foss said:

    Some sorts of reports of thr police investigation of possible "hazardous materials", at Heathrow.

    Could be a false alarm, as they are usually, but a lot of annoyed travellers and disrupted journeys.

    They seem to have been lost in the noise, but there were also terror raids last Friday.
    All apparently British nationals.

    That was three days ago; I assume that they should have either been charged or released by now?
    There doesn't seem to have been any announcements either way.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816
    One lives in hope

    The band broke up in 1987 due to disagreements within the band and a breakdown in the relationship between lead singer Holly Johnson and the rest of the members

    From wiki
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,951
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    ·
    2h
    JUST IN: Federal appeals court upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 million judgment against Donald Trump, rejecting his claim that presidential immunity should have shielded him from liability.

    I still think this case is extraordinary. To be accused of rape, for it not to be proven, and then to be sued for denying it, is utterly unhinged.
    The jury found that he had committed sexual assault.
    That's what he was subsequently sued for denying, repeatedly, and further libelling Carroll. Repeatedly.

    You're right, it was an extraordinary case. Most defendants who lose in court, and lose again in subsequent appeals, sent try to behave as though it didn't happen.
    It was not proven in a court of law, nor will it ever be. The whole thing is utterly absurd.
    Rape wasn't proven in a court of law - sexual assault was.

    Trump has since denied sexual assault occurred even though the courts have found it did occur and this judgement is to tell Trump to just keep quiet about it - although he doesn't seem to understand the Streisand effect and keeps protesting...
    Trump clearly believes that assault is no big deal, and that men should face no consequences for it.

    Trump: "Things that take place in the home they call crime....If a man has a little fight with the wife, they say this is a crime."
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1965073052783587366
  • Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,096

    One lives in hope

    The band broke up in 1987 due to disagreements within the band and a breakdown in the relationship between lead singer Holly Johnson and the rest of the members

    From wiki

    Without Johnson, they performed at the Produced by Trevor Horn show in 2004, and were great.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,986

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    I can't be fussed about id cards.
    I’m just glad the government made sure they had a mandate to introduce them, having expressly set out that this would be a key plank of their immigration policy in their manife….

    Oh.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,951
    Obvious suicide ?

    On Monday, Alexey S., CEO of the potassium and magnesium salts mining company K-Potash Service, was found dead near Kaliningrad. The body was “found without a head, ru media report.
    https://x.com/BohuslavskaKate/status/1965077969569005615
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816

    Maybe this is why Starmer wanted to move Miliband :

    Ratcliffe’s energy empire abandons UK investment over North Sea tax

    Ineos will divert its spending to the United States because of Britain’s ‘unstable fiscal regime’

    Sir Jim Ratcliffe has said that Britain’s high energy prices has made it hard for plants to run profitably

    Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s energy empire has pulled all investment in Britain to focus on its United States operations as it hit out at Labour’s tax raid on North Sea oil and gas production.

    Brian Gilvary, the chief executive of Ineos’s energy division, said the company would now divert all spending to the US, where it plans to invest £3bn.

    Ineos was forced to shut down the Grangemouth oil refinery in Scotland this year after 100 years of operation.

    The company has also warned that its adjacent Olefins and Polymers (O&P) plant, which manufactures products used by hundreds of UK plastic companies, is also under threat because of high taxes and energy prices.

    Sir Jim, the billionaire industrialist who also owns Manchester United, has warned that Britain’s high energy prices, mostly caused by green levies, are making such plants impossible to run profitably.

    Mr Gilvary said: “We have stopped investing in Britain. Our future investment will not be [in] the UK. There’s no question of that.

    “The problem is that the UK has become one of the most unstable fiscal regimes in the world from a perspective of natural resources and energy.

    “It means we cannot invest with any certainty because we can’t be sure what future tax rates will be.”

    It comes after the boss of Octopus Energy backed calls for the UK to restart drilling for oil and gas, adding to pressure on Ed Miliband, the Energy Secretary, who halted all new exploration licences within days of taking office.

    Greg Jackson, the chief executive of Octopus, said exploiting North Sea resources was more environmentally friendly than relying on costly foreign imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG), which generate more emissions than domestically produced energy.


    The fact that it leaked that he tried to move him and failed means that Starmer has been fatally undercut.

    He has no authority now, especially as he was afraid to sack Cooper as well
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,929

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    "I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places" - well, yes, except most of them are also passing places!

    Met a bloke from Kinlochbervie a little while back. He was spitting feathers about the impact of NC500 for residents. Much of the road - in the northern stretch - is single-track with passing places and there is insufficient accommodation for the huge influx of visitors that NC 500 has generated. Durness is a disaster area at the height of the season. As ever, the promotion has run far ahead of the infrastructure.

    TBH, I'm a bit sorry at the way it's been overrun. Though, no doubt, it has brought in the cash.
    It’s fallen at the first hurdle.

    Cornwall was bad enough, even though my disdain for driving there seemed to piss off old Pagan.

    I’ll pass on it. 👍
  • One lives in hope

    The band broke up in 1987 due to disagreements within the band and a breakdown in the relationship between lead singer Holly Johnson and the rest of the members

    From wiki

    They 'reformed' for the Eurovision Liverpool 2023 opening concert - came on, played one song, that was it. Cue a lot of very pissed off Scousers, who expected more.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,096

    Nigelb said:

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    ·
    2h
    JUST IN: Federal appeals court upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 million judgment against Donald Trump, rejecting his claim that presidential immunity should have shielded him from liability.

    I still think this case is extraordinary. To be accused of rape, for it not to be proven, and then to be sued for denying it, is utterly unhinged.
    The jury found that he had committed sexual assault.
    That's what he was subsequently sued for denying, repeatedly, and further libelling Carroll. Repeatedly.

    You're right, it was an extraordinary case. Most defendants who lose in court, and lose again in subsequent appeals, sent try to behave as though it didn't happen.
    It was not proven in a court of law, nor will it ever be. The whole thing is utterly absurd.
    It was proven in a court of law. Carroll took Trump to court. The $83.3 million judgment doesn't come out of thin air. A court decided that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,307

    One lives in hope

    The band broke up in 1987 due to disagreements within the band and a breakdown in the relationship between lead singer Holly Johnson and the rest of the members

    From wiki

    Without Johnson, they performed at the Produced by Trevor Horn show in 2004, and were great.
    The power of love was simply sensational. Defo my favourite.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    ·
    2h
    JUST IN: Federal appeals court upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 million judgment against Donald Trump, rejecting his claim that presidential immunity should have shielded him from liability.

    I still think this case is extraordinary. To be accused of rape, for it not to be proven, and then to be sued for denying it, is utterly unhinged.
    A jury found him guilty of sexual abuse
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,552

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    Not as many as you might think. It's wildly overpopular at peak times/places. RP will have a view, but DYOR. Mind, I'd tend to go in May/
    ?June or September anyway for the nicest flora/birds/fewer midges.
    Midges seem to see my body as an all you can eat buffet so avoiding them is a must.
    Depends so much on weather on the day and location - our friends who did the route and came to see us in the Lowlands and 'camped' on our drive complained the worst midges were here!

    But a warm humid calm evening lowland by a river through peat bogs in August ...

    edit: get some of the smidge stuff, or Avon Skin so soft, or whatever is recommended nopw.

    https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/
    https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/midges-in-scotland/
    https://www.visitscotland.com/travel-planning/midges-ticks-scotland
    I camped at Kingshouse one summer's night. I had a couple of annoying midge bites, but one ?German? girl in a nearby tent had nearly been eaten alive by them, and was exceedingly miserable. I fear some people are more suspectable to the little blighters than others.

    Oh, and I later found Avon Skin So Soft does appear to work.
    Many years ago when my brother was still in the military he recommended I get Avon So Soft when we were going on a holiday up on the West Coast as I was dreading getting eaten alive by midges at that time of year as he and his mates swore by it as the best protection. I remember going into the little shop in Shieldaig and discovering that they were well stocked with the original product as as a midge repellent.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,008

    80 seconds of satire on Tylenol (aka paracetamol) causes autism (© US HHS Secretary RFK Jr) as discussed here the other night https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z4CMTkEnwPI

    I think this is one of the best studies on the question, a huge epidemiological study of 2.5 million Swedish births

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    There is no relationship between paracetamol use in pregnancy and neurodisabilities like autism, ADHD etc. The effect in some other studies was probably down to unrecognised confounding within families.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,929
    Nigelb said:

    Obvious suicide ?

    On Monday, Alexey S., CEO of the potassium and magnesium salts mining company K-Potash Service, was found dead near Kaliningrad. The body was “found without a head, ru media report.
    https://x.com/BohuslavskaKate/status/1965077969569005615

    Like the previous voter in the Dunny-on-the-Wold by election in Blackadder III

    Who accidentally cut his head off while shaving.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 274
    Nigelb said:

    Obvious suicide ?

    On Monday, Alexey S., CEO of the potassium and magnesium salts mining company K-Potash Service, was found dead near Kaliningrad. The body was “found without a head, ru media report.
    https://x.com/BohuslavskaKate/status/1965077969569005615

    Presumably fell out of the window after the decapitation!
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190
    Nigelb said:

    Obvious suicide ?

    On Monday, Alexey S., CEO of the potassium and magnesium salts mining company K-Potash Service, was found dead near Kaliningrad. The body was “found without a head, ru media report.
    https://x.com/BohuslavskaKate/status/1965077969569005615

    I'm assuming there are no suitably tall buildings in Kaliningrad so a different approach had to be found.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,904
    fitalass said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    Not as many as you might think. It's wildly overpopular at peak times/places. RP will have a view, but DYOR. Mind, I'd tend to go in May/
    ?June or September anyway for the nicest flora/birds/fewer midges.
    Midges seem to see my body as an all you can eat buffet so avoiding them is a must.
    Depends so much on weather on the day and location - our friends who did the route and came to see us in the Lowlands and 'camped' on our drive complained the worst midges were here!

    But a warm humid calm evening lowland by a river through peat bogs in August ...

    edit: get some of the smidge stuff, or Avon Skin so soft, or whatever is recommended nopw.

    https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/
    https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/midges-in-scotland/
    https://www.visitscotland.com/travel-planning/midges-ticks-scotland
    I camped at Kingshouse one summer's night. I had a couple of annoying midge bites, but one ?German? girl in a nearby tent had nearly been eaten alive by them, and was exceedingly miserable. I fear some people are more suspectable to the little blighters than others.

    Oh, and I later found Avon Skin So Soft does appear to work.
    Many years ago when my brother was still in the military he recommended I get Avon So Soft when we were going on a holiday up on the West Coast as I was dreading getting eaten alive by midges at that time of year as he and his mates swore by it as the best protection. I remember going into the little shop in Shieldaig and discovering that they were well stocked with the original product as as a midge repellent.
    I once chatted to a couple of foresters cutting down trees in the middle of nowhere. Two big, muscly men, who reeked of the stuff.

    If they use it, it must work.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,646
    Nigelb said:

    Obvious suicide ?

    On Monday, Alexey S., CEO of the potassium and magnesium salts mining company K-Potash Service, was found dead near Kaliningrad. The body was “found without a head, ru media report.
    https://x.com/BohuslavskaKate/status/1965077969569005615

    Tie Rack debt collection have stepped up their game.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    We already have things like passports and national insurance cards. Why do we need any more?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816

    One lives in hope

    The band broke up in 1987 due to disagreements within the band and a breakdown in the relationship between lead singer Holly Johnson and the rest of the members

    From wiki

    Without Johnson, they performed at the Produced by Trevor Horn show in 2004, and were great.
    I’m not sure that Reform ex Farage would better than the current incarnation…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    "@EuropeElects

    Norway, national parliament election today:

    The 21:00 CEST prognosis shows that the governing centre-left Labour Party, led by PM Jonas Gahr Støre (Ap–S&D), is set to continue in government, with the left bloc receiving 87 of 169 seats in parliament.

    This bloc consists of the Labour Party (Ap–S&D), the Red Party (R~LEFT), the Socialist Left Party (SV~LEFT), the Green Party (MDG–G/EFA), and the Centre Party (Sp~RE).

    #valg2025"
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816
    Foxy said:

    80 seconds of satire on Tylenol (aka paracetamol) causes autism (© US HHS Secretary RFK Jr) as discussed here the other night https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z4CMTkEnwPI

    I think this is one of the best studies on the question, a huge epidemiological study of 2.5 million Swedish births

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    There is no relationship between paracetamol use in pregnancy and neurodisabilities like autism, ADHD etc. The effect in some other studies was probably down to unrecognised confounding within families.
    Referenced in the skit, no less 😂
  • Andy_JS said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    We already have things like passports and national insurance cards. Why do we need any more?
    Not everyone has a passport (or a driving licence), and the NI number system is a mess.

    If proving ID were easy for everyone, we wouldn't have needed all those kludges for Voter ID.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,014
    "The Metropolitan Police says that a few people have been taken ill at Heathrow Airport, but no-one is in a life threatening condition.

    It adds that no arrests have been made."
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,911
    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    Alan Sked would shudder
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    Pretty close at the moment — 87 to 82 seats.

    "MMI-Wahltrend - Their Master's Vote
    @wahl_prognosen
    ·
    Follow
    #Stortingsvalget 2025/Norwegian parliamentary #election/Parlamentswahl #Norwegen

    Exit poll Aftenposten
    R 5,4
    SV 5,5
    MDG 4,6
    Ap 28
    Sp 5,9
    V 3,4
    KrF 4,1
    H 14,4
    FrP 24,7

    Left: 87 seats
    Right: 82 seats
    #Valg2025 #Norway #Norge #valg #Valg25 #Election2025
    8:03 PM · Sep 8, 2025"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,816
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    I don’t trust our civil service to have understood the issues. Or our government to stop them
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    edited September 8

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
    Don't trust future governments not to mis-use them.

    Example: who would have thought even a few years ago that people would have had to put their social media account names on applications to visit the United States?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,929
    carnforth said:

    "The Metropolitan Police says that a few people have been taken ill at Heathrow Airport, but no-one is in a life threatening condition.

    It adds that no arrests have been made."

    Until they find the chef ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,904
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
    Don't like the idea of them.
    It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.

    Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,783
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
    Indefinite detention without a terrorist attack based on a colour chart?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,929

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
    Nothing, probably. Like most of them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,783

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
    Don't like the idea of them.
    It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.

    Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
    Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.

    What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,280
    edited September 8
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    My first first!

    I wasn't loitering by the gates, honest.

    I'm astonished that it should be so. I must have had three or four and I post less frequently than you do. Still you made good use of the opportunity gaining three likes and now an Omnium reply!

    What great aspirations you must now entertain for your second first.
    The Omnium reply is worth 25 likes. I face the immediate future as a happy camper hard left social democrat.
    Excellent.

    I recently asked myself and my two best friends about quite who/what they'd choose for the future. It rather baffled them to come up with someone they'd go in to bat for. As a disenchanted Tory it's clearly tricky. Happy camper hard left social democrats undoubtedly have a little more choice these days - do you have any preferred winner in such things? (I ask because I think that the deputy labour thing may actually be quite important - there's a chance for a strong candidate from the broad centre, or there's a chance for nutters over sense.)
    I don't yet. Let's see who stands. If it devolves into a bitterly passionate, Healey Benn I'll probably go with Healey. But if it's a particularly good Benn against a Healey who I'm not keen on then that could be difficult.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388
    If ID cards are brought in, I won't be using one under any circumstances.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,783
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
    Indefinite detention without a terrorist attack based on a colour chart?
    Well, wrong un’s only. Obviously.

    People with offensive wives. People who wear loud shirts in built up areas.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190
    Andy_JS said:

    If ID cards are brought in, I won't be using one under any circumstances.

    Fair enough but there are a lot of people who would benefit from having one.

    Heck I know a lot of people around here who fail to get jobs because they don't have the ID needed to quickly pass a right to work check so the national employer moves on to the next candidate...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Hi everyone, I've just spent 4 busy days doing the North Coast 500 (and shooting 6 videos along the way).

    Glad to see this poll getting an airing - as always the trend in your friend, and whilst the SNP have been out trumpeting this as signs that everyone backs them, its a poll showing them losing almost 25% of their support vs last time out.

    Their strategy now is: VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE. That's it. They keep mentioning bits of policy achievement but the sole reasongiven so far to vote for them is VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.

    Based on talking to people in the GE last year there's an awful lot of pissed off voters more concerned by the state of things than the jam tomorrow promise of independence.

    At the GE they lost 40% of their vote. So 25% in this poll may be just the start of their losses. DYOR...

    We’ve been thinking of doing it. We’ve thought about it for a while hiring a VW Camper to do it.

    I’d guess there’s plenty of stopping places.
    Not as many as you might think. It's wildly overpopular at peak times/places. RP will have a view, but DYOR. Mind, I'd tend to go in May/
    ?June or September anyway for the nicest flora/birds/fewer midges.
    Midges seem to see my body as an all you can eat buffet so avoiding them is a must.
    Depends so much on weather on the day and location - our friends who did the route and came to see us in the Lowlands and 'camped' on our drive complained the worst midges were here!

    But a warm humid calm evening lowland by a river through peat bogs in August ...

    edit: get some of the smidge stuff, or Avon Skin so soft, or whatever is recommended nopw.

    https://www.smidgeup.com/midge-forecast/
    https://www.wildernessscotland.com/blog/midges-in-scotland/
    https://www.visitscotland.com/travel-planning/midges-ticks-scotland
    I’ll look it up.

    Staying in Venice last week I was besieged by them. Same when I was in an Airbnb in Soller in July.

    Thanks for the links too 👍
    Don't let me discourage you - but going off piste in places might be very worthwhile, in the sense of not following every bit. For instance, looking at the map I'd be inclined to go to the Cromarty-Nigg ferry and visit Cromarty and Fortrose, and cut from Dingwall through Strathpeffer.
    I fear the touristification of the NC500 will advantage a few locals who own B&Bs, campsites, shops and petrol stations, and royally p*ss everyone else off. I'm very glad I walked the coast up there in 2003, well before it began. Even then, you would get trains of German and Dutch campervans passing by every so often.
    An incredible case study of successfully inventing a new brand and transforming a tourist destination.

    What others are out there? The 3 peaks I suppose, but that’s a minority attraction. Obviously the old French GRs, but those are decades old. The SA Garden Route. SW coast path.
    Jurassic Coast as a subdept of the SWCP?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,096
    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
    Don't like the idea of them.
    It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.

    Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
    Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.

    What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
    That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190

    I've got an appointment at the hospital tomorrow morning when the x-ray will hopefully give me the all clear to start weight-bearing on my ankle, and so walking, again

    It's been six weeks since I was last walking, and my calf muscle has shrunk to around the same size as my forearm. I need to get it built back up a bit before I get back to work, but more importantly get back to full foot fitness at work for my annual Spring peregrination

    I'm planning to walk the west coast of France from Vannes to Biarritz, to join up my Brittany walk with last year's Pyrenees walk. I've been checking out the route for the first time. The centre of Nantes looks lovely, and I have to visit La Rochelle

    I can't remember the name of my first French school book in the mid-eighties (Latin was Ecce Romani), but everything in it happened in La Rochelle

    Good luck my wife's ankle hasn't been the same after her minor fracture on Easter Sunday..
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 274
    Andy_JS said:

    If ID cards are brought in, I won't be using one under any circumstances.

    If they're compulsory.....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,008
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
    Indefinite detention without a terrorist attack based on a colour chart?
    No colour chart needed at present. You get arrested for wearing a T shirt now.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
    Don't like the idea of them.
    It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.

    Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
    Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.

    What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
    That's more an argument against Reform (or worse) politicians gaining power than an argument against ID systems.
    The other thing to add is that database doesn't require an ID card...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
    Indefinite detention without a terrorist attack based on a colour chart?
    Well, wrong un’s only. Obviously.

    People with offensive wives. People who wear loud shirts in built up areas.
    In my experience the problem is more likely to be people with offensive husbands.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,607
    edited September 8

    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
    Eurovision has repressed Briitish music for over 50 years now. Only once British pop music can claim to be truly sovereign, can we truly be said to be a democracy.

    The whole edifice is falling apart, anyway. Von der Leyen will not be able to stop contestants like Andorra leaving much longer, as much as her Wef masters complain .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,008

    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
    Eurovision has repressed Briitish music for 50 years. Only once British pop music can claim to be truly sovereign, can we truly be said to be a democracy.

    The whole edifice is falling apart, anyway. Von der Leyen will not be able to stop contestants like Andorra leaving, as much as her Wef master complain.
    Andrea Jenkyns, Royaume Uni, Nul points!
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,929
    How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,008
    Taz said:

    How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?

    Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387
    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
    Eurovision has repressed Briitish music for 50 years. Only once British pop music can claim to be truly sovereign, can we truly be said to be a democracy.

    The whole edifice is falling apart, anyway. Von der Leyen will not be able to stop contestants like Andorra leaving, as much as her Wef master complain.
    Andrea Jenkyns, Royaume Uni, Nul points!
    No, no, you misunderstand. In a field of only one, the UK entry is bound to win.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387
    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why don't you like ID cards - we've covered this a lot in the past and it solves a lot of problems that we have with migration - as it would allow people to confirm they can work and live in the UK...

    I do find it very strange that the people who dislike ID cards the most also seem to dislike migrants illegally working but can't work out why they are able to work illegally.
    It’s not the ID cards as much as the database our government wanted to create and give everyone access to.

    But it’s ok, we know that the government would never abuse its powers, like controversially proscribing a terrorist organisation for example
    Wanted to create 20 years ago when we didn’t have half the clue we currently have about data security.

    Ironically with One Login the Government are slowly revealing that the big database has been around all this time
    Every time the Home Office pulls the file out, they embellish the database bit.

    Apparently they now acknowledge the GDPR problem - I’ve been told the latest proposal is that national security would be used for an exemption. And that they would offer the EU, that EU citizens would have their data sequestered on a separate, GDPR compliant, system.

    Yes, they are quite mad

    As Michael Howard observed, one of the jobs of the Home Sec. is to say no to the more insane proposals from inside the Home Office.

    Remember, this is the bunch who, after each terrorist attack, have advocated indefinite detention without trial.

    One can only wonder what a Reform Home Sec. will get done….
    Indefinite detention without a terrorist attack based on a colour chart?
    An eats shits and leaves situation there methinks.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,008
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
    Eurovision has repressed Briitish music for 50 years. Only once British pop music can claim to be truly sovereign, can we truly be said to be a democracy.

    The whole edifice is falling apart, anyway. Von der Leyen will not be able to stop contestants like Andorra leaving, as much as her Wef master complain.
    Andrea Jenkyns, Royaume Uni, Nul points!
    No, no, you misunderstand. In a field of only one, the UK entry is bound to win.
    Or come bottom...

    If there is no other country in the contest then null points is guaranteed.
  • eek said:

    I've got an appointment at the hospital tomorrow morning when the x-ray will hopefully give me the all clear to start weight-bearing on my ankle, and so walking, again

    It's been six weeks since I was last walking, and my calf muscle has shrunk to around the same size as my forearm. I need to get it built back up a bit before I get back to work, but more importantly get back to full foot fitness at work for my annual Spring peregrination

    I'm planning to walk the west coast of France from Vannes to Biarritz, to join up my Brittany walk with last year's Pyrenees walk. I've been checking out the route for the first time. The centre of Nantes looks lovely, and I have to visit La Rochelle

    I can't remember the name of my first French school book in the mid-eighties (Latin was Ecce Romani), but everything in it happened in La Rochelle

    Good luck my wife's ankle hasn't been the same after her minor fracture on Easter Sunday..
    Oh sorry to hear that.. was Mrs Eek's a complicated fracture?

    Mine was very clean, so would have been simple to operate on and screw together, if I hadn't had loads of broken ribs which make the general anaesthetic dangerous

    I'm hoping I've been lazy enough for the bone to have knitted neatly and not cause me ongoing pain
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,951
    Foxy said:

    80 seconds of satire on Tylenol (aka paracetamol) causes autism (© US HHS Secretary RFK Jr) as discussed here the other night https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z4CMTkEnwPI

    I think this is one of the best studies on the question, a huge epidemiological study of 2.5 million Swedish births

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

    There is no relationship between paracetamol use in pregnancy and neurodisabilities like autism, ADHD etc. The effect in some other studies was probably down to unrecognised confounding within families.
    What do you make of the (somewhat more credible) theory that over supplementation of folic acid might possibly be implicated ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,388

    I've got an appointment at the hospital tomorrow morning when the x-ray will hopefully give me the all clear to start weight-bearing on my ankle, and so walking, again

    It's been six weeks since I was last walking, and my calf muscle has shrunk to around the same size as my forearm. I need to get it built back up a bit before I get back to work, but more importantly get back to full foot fitness at work for my annual Spring peregrination

    I'm planning to walk the west coast of France from Vannes to Biarritz, to join up my Brittany walk with last year's Pyrenees walk. I've been checking out the route for the first time. The centre of Nantes looks lovely, and I have to visit La Rochelle

    I can't remember the name of my first French school book in the mid-eighties (Latin was Ecce Romani), but everything in it happened in La Rochelle

    We were using the same La Rochelle book as well (probably).
  • Taz said:

    How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?

    They won't. ID cards, like all the authoritarian moves this government has made, is not about fighting crime or protecting people. They're about the government knowing, and thus being able to control, what the law abiding majority does.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,646
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?

    Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
    We’re already moving to eVisas that can be validated with a share code. That’s not going to stop illegal labour on the down low.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,904

    I've got an appointment at the hospital tomorrow morning when the x-ray will hopefully give me the all clear to start weight-bearing on my ankle, and so walking, again

    It's been six weeks since I was last walking, and my calf muscle has shrunk to around the same size as my forearm. I need to get it built back up a bit before I get back to work, but more importantly get back to full foot fitness at work for my annual Spring peregrination

    I'm planning to walk the west coast of France from Vannes to Biarritz, to join up my Brittany walk with last year's Pyrenees walk. I've been checking out the route for the first time. The centre of Nantes looks lovely, and I have to visit La Rochelle

    I can't remember the name of my first French school book in the mid-eighties (Latin was Ecce Romani), but everything in it happened in La Rochelle

    Hope you get back on your feet soon.

    In my early teens, I had a leg in a cast for around six months. Halfway through, they had to change the (fibreglass?) cast as my leg had shrunk so much I could get my fist halfway down it. When they took the second off, my leg was a hideous mix of dead skin and hair, and I scratched it until I bled.

    The worst thing was it did no good, and the problem persisted.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,387
    Heathrow incident said to be mass hysteria.

    Of course, one doesn't get that sort of thing on PB Terminal 5.
  • Andy_JS said:

    If ID cards are brought in, I won't be using one under any circumstances.

    You will have no choice if they are mandated
  • eekeek Posts: 31,190
    edited September 8
    Taz said:

    How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?

    It wouldn't - what it would allow is the 18 year old on a local council estate to get a job at Amazon which he previously couldn't because the Agency was lazy and insisted on a passport to prove the right which he didn't have and couldn't afford to get...
  • Andy_JS said:

    I've got an appointment at the hospital tomorrow morning when the x-ray will hopefully give me the all clear to start weight-bearing on my ankle, and so walking, again

    It's been six weeks since I was last walking, and my calf muscle has shrunk to around the same size as my forearm. I need to get it built back up a bit before I get back to work, but more importantly get back to full foot fitness at work for my annual Spring peregrination

    I'm planning to walk the west coast of France from Vannes to Biarritz, to join up my Brittany walk with last year's Pyrenees walk. I've been checking out the route for the first time. The centre of Nantes looks lovely, and I have to visit La Rochelle

    I can't remember the name of my first French school book in the mid-eighties (Latin was Ecce Romani), but everything in it happened in La Rochelle

    We were using the same La Rochelle book as well (probably).
    Ticolore


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,551

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood first interview
    - rules out running for deputy leader
    - says UK will suspend visas for counties that don’t do return deals
    - spells out long standing support for ID cards
    - says will go further than Yvette Copper on boats
    - styles herself the “whatever it takes” Home Secretary

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1965006144427966678

    Supporting ID cards is no good.
    Why
    Don't like the idea of them.
    It's a matter of trust. The cards themselves are not a problem; it is the database that sits below the cards. A database that might contain loads of interconnected data that might not be to an individual's benefit.

    Then again, the big Internet giants have massive amounts of our personal data, and have shown no hesitancy to misuse that data. I fear the privacy parts of the argument died fifteen years ago. If not earlier.
    Given the depth of data they want, this will undoubtedly mean religion, ethnicity and sex being recorded.

    What would a Reform government do with a complete list of Muslims, addresses etc, as a single unified system. With no access controls. So your local Reform council could access the system….
    That is a despicable slur.

    Reform's Chairman and heir apparent is a Muslim.
  • Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Lol.
    UKIP are back!
    Defection on Kent County Council from Reform to Kippers.
    Their sole representative at any level

    Well we've left the EU but there are plenty more things we could leave.

    Can the UK truly be independent if we're still in the International Convention Against Torture?
    We all know what the big one is... Eurovision.
    Eurovision has repressed Briitish music for 50 years. Only once British pop music can claim to be truly sovereign, can we truly be said to be a democracy.

    The whole edifice is falling apart, anyway. Von der Leyen will not be able to stop contestants like Andorra leaving, as much as her Wef master complain.
    Andrea Jenkyns, Royaume Uni, Nul points!
    They no longer announce Eurovision scores in French :)
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,646

    Andy_JS said:

    If ID cards are brought in, I won't be using one under any circumstances.

    You will have no choice if they are mandated
    That’s what they said about the poll tax.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,929
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    How would ID cards, the Blairite solution to all ills, stop the local takeaway from employing workers who have no right to be working ?

    Presumably it would include nationality and visa status.
    But how would it stop them being employed, cash in hand say ?

    I’m not either rabidly pro or anti ID cards. I have to use my passport and driving license as ID for example. But I cannot see how it solves some of the issues it is claimed to solve.
  • Foss said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If ID cards are brought in, I won't be using one under any circumstances.

    You will have no choice if they are mandated
    That’s what they said about the poll tax.
    The poll tax didn't come in !!!!!!!
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