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  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,890
    edited August 22
    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,205
    edited August 22
    If she's deified we'll see her in the sky with diamonds
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,840
    I appear to be on holiday again. Clichéd picture:



    Much more importantly, I saw a weasel today! Murdering a mouse. Then it darted away when it saw me, leaving the mouse to twitch its last. I stayed there, and the little bugger kept poking its head out to see if the coast was clear. Delightful!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,406

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Do you have a link to this deification?
    The Daily Telegraph?
    The link seems broken for me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547


    FPT

    Leon said:

    @Sunil_Prasannan! Good morning. Trust you are well

    I’ve got a couple of questions. You’re of Indian descent, and British, how do the Union Jack and Cross of St George make you feel, if I may rudely inquire?

    You’re under no obligation to answer but my interest is sincere

    Do you feel patriotic? Neutral? Sad? Angry about the empire?

    And does it matter where you see them? Is it intimidating if you see them outside a pub or a shop or simply meaningless?

    And, finally, do you have different emotional reactions to the two flags? There are suggestions on X that the England flag is now seen as the more “provocative”

    Good evening, @Leon. Good thanks, hope you are too.

    Apologies for the late reply. Was out with my Mum on a photo-walk (er, she's a member of not one but two of the local east London/Essex borders camera clubs), starting on Oxford St, Regent St, Carnaby St, Chinatown and Trafalgar. Let's just say the West End was rather busy, to put it mildly!

    Anyway, in answer to your questions, and I feel I must apologise for writing an essay, but anyway: Nope, don't think your rude at all for asking about the flags! As for the Union Jack and St George's Cross, I do feel patriotic for both really. Certainly don't have a problem with with either of them. As you in this morning's thread, I saw a row of five flags (one row of many, in fact) hung across Oxford Street, and was eager to show all of you a picture on PB. And it's always nice to see pubs with the flags too (yes, we still have half a dozen or so in da North Ilford Ghetto!).

    I think I have stated a couple of times on here that the most egregious, cruellest, pernicious aspect of the Empire was that the Powers That Be taught Indians how to play boring Cricket instead of Football. Imagine - India could now be the sporting Brazil of Asia! And I suppose Pakistan could be Argentina!

    For me, England is my home, I've lived here ever since I was 4 months old. I do go back to India every couple of years, but I don't have any real attachment to the place. My language is English, and I have oft stated on here that I regard English as the best language in the world. One of the most disappointing things I find about India is the lack of civic sense in most parts of the country. Most obviously, the huge piles of litter beside train tracks and roads. No real neatness, as if tidiness isn't part of the culture. I could go on, but I digress!

    Anyway, to conclude, perhaps very controversially, and this will probably upset a few PBers, I think that being English is a question of attitude, and not just a question of birth. Hope you find the above scrawlings interesting!
    I quite agree on the attitude thing. "Understated" is an important part of it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,589
    .
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Blasphemer!!!!
    As someone said online she’s rapidly becoming a right wing George Floyd,
    But of course. In fact that's a brilliant comparison

    *files it away carefully for Gazette editor*

    All causes need a martyr. On examination, these martyrs are nearly always deeply flawed, but by then it doesn't matter, the narrative is put in place

    Geo Floyd was a hideous career criminal, guilty of terrible things, yet the surge of emotion around his ugly death was sufficient to get him sanctified. For a while. In retrospect, I am not even sure he was murdered. I suspect he died because of his drug use more than the clearly unthinking and brutal copper

    But no one cares now. The story is established, even as the emotions ebb

    Lucy C is not as extremely bad as Floyd nor as extremely beatified as him, but there are definite parellels, and she will suffice as a martyr for the alt.right cause
    There are no parallels, unless you're delusional.

    So I guess she will serve for the alt right.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,057

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    We must continue this flag shagging effort, for years, to instil the necessary emotions in the varous peoples of Great Britain
    It’s making me want to fly a saltire in the front garden, just to piss of the local unionists.
    I think more flags should be flown.

    I remember seeing a Somalian flag one time when driving through the Scottish Borders. Most diverting!

    I'd consider flying a Hapsburg flag, but owner would assume I had a Kilkenny flag rotated 90 degrees.
    A local chap (now deceased) had a locker fulkl of flags and would fly each on the appropriate national day, Independence Day, etc. Was quite a challenge to try and ID them during the weekly shop.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,890
    edited August 22
    The flag fad is, I must say, significantly more aesthetically pleasing than the depredations of the Gilets Jaunes a few years ago.

    Not least because the GJs, essentially a Faragiste movement across the channel, seemed particularly drawn to camping out on the middle of roundabouts, and French roundabout islands, as we know, are things of beauty.

    There is no country that comes close to France in the landscaping of its roundabouts.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    "Rupert Lowe MP
    @RupertLowe10

    Lucy Connolly is one very brave woman."

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1958925176713674854
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,589
    carnforth said:

    I appear to be on holiday again. Clichéd picture:



    Much more importantly, I saw a weasel today! Murdering a mouse. Then it darted away when it saw me, leaving the mouse to twitch its last. I stayed there, and the little bugger kept poking its head out to see if the coast was clear. Delightful!

    Oooh, I think I know this one, even without googling

    That's got to be Cornwall

    Cornwall has the most exquisite riverside churches in the world. Literally

  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,890

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    We must continue this flag shagging effort, for years, to instil the necessary emotions in the varous peoples of Great Britain
    It’s making me want to fly a saltire in the front garden, just to piss of the local unionists.
    I think more flags should be flown.

    I remember seeing a Somalian flag one time when driving through the Scottish Borders. Most diverting!

    I'd consider flying a Hapsburg flag, but everyone would assume I had a Kilkenny flag rotated 90 degrees.
    Hard to beat the old Gaddafi Libyan flag.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,007
    Main takeaway from today is that you're not going hungry in a British prison :hushed:
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,205
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    I appear to be on holiday again. Clichéd picture:



    Much more importantly, I saw a weasel today! Murdering a mouse. Then it darted away when it saw me, leaving the mouse to twitch its last. I stayed there, and the little bugger kept poking its head out to see if the coast was clear. Delightful!

    Oooh, I think I know this one, even without googling

    That's got to be Cornwall

    Cornwall has the most exquisite riverside churches in the world. Literally

    almost littorally

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,589
    edited August 22
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Blasphemer!!!!
    As someone said online she’s rapidly becoming a right wing George Floyd,
    But of course. In fact that's a brilliant comparison

    *files it away carefully for Gazette editor*

    All causes need a martyr. On examination, these martyrs are nearly always deeply flawed, but by then it doesn't matter, the narrative is put in place

    Geo Floyd was a hideous career criminal, guilty of terrible things, yet the surge of emotion around his ugly death was sufficient to get him sanctified. For a while. In retrospect, I am not even sure he was murdered. I suspect he died because of his drug use more than the clearly unthinking and brutal copper

    But no one cares now. The story is established, even as the emotions ebb

    Lucy C is not as extremely bad as Floyd nor as extremely beatified as him, but there are definite parellels, and she will suffice as a martyr for the alt.right cause
    There are no parallels, unless you're delusional.

    So I guess she will serve for the alt right.
    I've often wondered how you manage to make every single comment relentlessly beige and boring. It's like you have a tiny "make-this-more-boring" machine in your head, like one of those 19th century hand-cranked sugar cane mills, extracting all the juice of interest from your product, so that you finally excrete this tiny dessicated little dropping of a comment, like a 16th century turd done by a stoat, and it is left here, on the rich embroidered carpet of PB. And then you expect us to admire it
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,406
    nico67 said:

    isam said:

    Exclusive:

    * Nigel Farage unveils his blueprint for the 'mass deportation' of hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who come to the UK in small boats

    * All those who come to the UK in small boats would be arrested and detained on disused military bases.. They would be barred from leaving until deportation

    * Reform will seek to sign return deals with countries including Afghanistan and Eritrea, despite their human rights records

    * Farage says Reform will charter five flights a day with an RAF Voyager on standby

    * British Overseas Territories such as Ascension Island would be used as a "fallback" to accommodate migrants

    * Reform will also seek to sign deals with third countries like Rwanda and Albania

    * Reform would introduce new criminal offences for those attempting to return to the UK

    * Farage's plan has three parts - leave ECHR and derogate from other international agreements, including UN convention against torture; bring in a British bill of rights; introduce the illegal migration (mass deportation) bill

    * Reform says plans will cost £10bn over five years. It claims it will ultimately save taxpayers money

    * Plans would face significant legal, political and practical obstacles

    * Farage argues it is necessary to deal with the 'massive crisis' posed by illegal migration

    * Pressed on what he would do if someone sent to Afghanistan was tortured or killed, Farage said: 'I’m really sorry, but we can’t be responsible for everything that happens in the whole of the world. Who is our priority?

    'Is it the safety and security of this country and its people? Or are we worrying about everybody else and foreign courts? That’s what it comes down to. Whose side are you on?'

    thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar…


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1958973895450440069?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Of course we should all feel safe in the knowledge that a Reform government will be deciding what rights we should have ! Has Farage explained what happens to the GFA , the EU UK trade agreeement and security co-operation ? No just a load of headline grabbing nonsense designed to dupe the public .
    Yes, it's not like this poor benighted country of lumpen heathens had any liberties before we were granted the Promethean enlightenment of the ECHR is it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,589
    TimS said:

    The flag fad is, I must say, significantly more aesthetically pleasing than the depredations of the Gilets Jaunes a few years ago.

    Not least because the GJs, essentially a Faragiste movement across the channel, seemed particularly drawn to camping out on the middle of roundabouts, and French roundabout islands, as we know, are things of beauty.

    There is no country that comes close to France in the landscaping of its roundabouts.

    A fact noted in the Daily Telegraph

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/france/brittany/the-glorious-island-hopping-holiday-britons-have-overlooked/

    "From here it’s a shortish hop to my next stop, Quiberon. And what I mainly note is: the roundabouts. After all, this is a road trip. Just as French towns are relentlessly and mystifyingly pretty (is there a factory in China that churns out pretty French towns?) so French roundabouts are ridiculously dainty and well-tended. No, really, they are. I like to imagine there is some 15th-century guild of roundabout designers established by Louis XI, toiling away in a forest near Amboise, feeling threatened by roadside verge designers in South Korea."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 22
    Pulpstar said:

    Main takeaway from today is that you're not going hungry in a British prison :hushed:

    I saw a report that said the Southport killer has got all his privileges back. Clearly even trying to kill prison guards isn't enough to get you put in the hole on minimum rations for very long.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,589
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Blasphemer!!!!
    As someone said online she’s rapidly becoming a right wing George Floyd,
    But of course. In fact that's a brilliant comparison

    *files it away carefully for Gazette editor*

    All causes need a martyr. On examination, these martyrs are nearly always deeply flawed, but by then it doesn't matter, the narrative is put in place

    Geo Floyd was a hideous career criminal, guilty of terrible things, yet the surge of emotion around his ugly death was sufficient to get him sanctified. For a while. In retrospect, I am not even sure he was murdered. I suspect he died because of his drug use more than the clearly unthinking and brutal copper

    But no one cares now. The story is established, even as the emotions ebb

    Lucy C is not as extremely bad as Floyd nor as extremely beatified as him, but there are definite parellels, and she will suffice as a martyr for the alt.right cause
    There are no parallels, unless you're delusional.

    So I guess she will serve for the alt right.
    I've often wondered how you manage to make every single comment relentlessly beige and boring. It's like you have a tiny "make-this-more-boring" machine in your head, like one of those 19th century hand-cranked sugar cane mills, extracting all the juice of interest from your product, so that you finally excrete this tiny dessicated little dropping of a comment, like a 16th century turd done by a stoat, and it is left here, on the rich embroidered carpet of PB. And yet you expect us to admire it
    Sorry Leon, but your rococo insults are just risible these days.

    You've forgotten how to argue.

    Which makes you genuinely boring.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,589
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Blasphemer!!!!
    As someone said online she’s rapidly becoming a right wing George Floyd,
    But of course. In fact that's a brilliant comparison

    *files it away carefully for Gazette editor*

    All causes need a martyr. On examination, these martyrs are nearly always deeply flawed, but by then it doesn't matter, the narrative is put in place

    Geo Floyd was a hideous career criminal, guilty of terrible things, yet the surge of emotion around his ugly death was sufficient to get him sanctified. For a while. In retrospect, I am not even sure he was murdered. I suspect he died because of his drug use more than the clearly unthinking and brutal copper

    But no one cares now. The story is established, even as the emotions ebb

    Lucy C is not as extremely bad as Floyd nor as extremely beatified as him, but there are definite parellels, and she will suffice as a martyr for the alt.right cause
    There are no parallels, unless you're delusional.

    So I guess she will serve for the alt right.
    I've often wondered how you manage to make every single comment relentlessly beige and boring. It's like you have a tiny "make-this-more-boring" machine in your head, like one of those 19th century hand-cranked sugar cane mills, extracting all the juice of interest from your product, so that you finally excrete this tiny dessicated little dropping of a comment, like a 16th century turd done by a stoat, and it is left here, on the rich embroidered carpet of PB. And yet you expect us to admire it
    Sorry Leon, but your rococo insults are just risible these days.

    You've forgotten how to argue.

    Which makes you genuinely boring.
    Yes dear, of course. Hence your instant and electrified reaction
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, told a top administration official she never saw President Trump engage in improper or illegal acts during his long friendship with Mr. Epstein, according to interview transcripts released late Friday.

    The transcripts and audio, covering two days of discussions between Ms. Maxwell and Todd Blanche, a former Trump defense lawyer tapped to the No. 2 post at the Justice Department, are likely to raise as many questions as they answer.


    NY Times blog
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895

    nico67 said:

    isam said:

    Exclusive:

    * Nigel Farage unveils his blueprint for the 'mass deportation' of hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who come to the UK in small boats

    * All those who come to the UK in small boats would be arrested and detained on disused military bases.. They would be barred from leaving until deportation

    * Reform will seek to sign return deals with countries including Afghanistan and Eritrea, despite their human rights records

    * Farage says Reform will charter five flights a day with an RAF Voyager on standby

    * British Overseas Territories such as Ascension Island would be used as a "fallback" to accommodate migrants

    * Reform will also seek to sign deals with third countries like Rwanda and Albania

    * Reform would introduce new criminal offences for those attempting to return to the UK

    * Farage's plan has three parts - leave ECHR and derogate from other international agreements, including UN convention against torture; bring in a British bill of rights; introduce the illegal migration (mass deportation) bill

    * Reform says plans will cost £10bn over five years. It claims it will ultimately save taxpayers money

    * Plans would face significant legal, political and practical obstacles

    * Farage argues it is necessary to deal with the 'massive crisis' posed by illegal migration

    * Pressed on what he would do if someone sent to Afghanistan was tortured or killed, Farage said: 'I’m really sorry, but we can’t be responsible for everything that happens in the whole of the world. Who is our priority?

    'Is it the safety and security of this country and its people? Or are we worrying about everybody else and foreign courts? That’s what it comes down to. Whose side are you on?'

    thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar…


    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/1958973895450440069?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Of course we should all feel safe in the knowledge that a Reform government will be deciding what rights we should have ! Has Farage explained what happens to the GFA , the EU UK trade agreeement and security co-operation ? No just a load of headline grabbing nonsense designed to dupe the public .
    Yes, it's not like this poor benighted country of lumpen heathens had any liberties before we were granted the Promethean enlightenment of the ECHR is it?
    So we’re going to have a bunch of Trump arse lickers making rights for us ! If you want rid of the ECHR there are consequences.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    Foxy said:

    Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, told a top administration official she never saw President Trump engage in improper or illegal acts during his long friendship with Mr. Epstein, according to interview transcripts released late Friday.

    The transcripts and audio, covering two days of discussions between Ms. Maxwell and Todd Blanche, a former Trump defense lawyer tapped to the No. 2 post at the Justice Department, are likely to raise as many questions as they answer.


    NY Times blog

    What an extraordinary coincidence that her testimony exonerates the only man who can pardon and release her!
    Bears, Popes
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,508
    edited August 22
    Re flags we fly the Saltire, Welsh flag and Union Jack all of which represents our family's roots
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    Went for a run today - looked up and saw two contrails criss-crossing to make a saltire.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,589
    Foxy said:

    Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, told a top administration official she never saw President Trump engage in improper or illegal acts during his long friendship with Mr. Epstein, according to interview transcripts released late Friday.

    The transcripts and audio, covering two days of discussions between Ms. Maxwell and Todd Blanche, a former Trump defense lawyer tapped to the No. 2 post at the Justice Department, are likely to raise as many questions as they answer.


    NY Times blog

    What an extraordinary coincidence that her testimony exonerates the only man who can pardon and release her!
    Not at all sketchy.

    Trump's DOJ has transferred a woman out of the facility with Ghislaine Maxwell after she criticized her being there as a sex offender in an interview. The woman has been sent to another facility with violent offenders. You can't criticize Trump's sex offender friends now.
    https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1958945753793274332

    Julie Howell was removed after blasting Maxwell as 'disgusting' in an interview. According to Howell's lawyer, the warden called her into her office and informed her she was being moved immediately. The warden told Howell, 'you've ruined my weekend.
    https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1958948108542648677

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    Nah. It is now the last week of summer.

    On Monday week we begin autumn and thus the xmas season begins.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,566
    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,840
    Eabhal said:

    Went for a run today - looked up and saw two contrails criss-crossing to make a saltire.

    Contrails are non-crazy now.

    https://sites.research.google/contrails/

    As well as crazy, of course.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    Eabhal said:

    Went for a run today - looked up and saw two contrails criss-crossing to make a saltire.

    Lucky

    In America that would be banned...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,890
    Here’s a roundabout near Vinzelles, in the Maconnais. A fully fledged mini vineyard, tended and sprayed I should add, by the local cooperate whose HQ you can see in the background, the harvest taken annually, with some giant steel wine glasses.



    We could learn a thing or two here.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    Certainly I remember as a child of the 70s that if Dad drove us for a bit in the summer in the countryside the windscreen would be plastered with dead insects.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,417


    FPT

    Leon said:

    @Sunil_Prasannan! Good morning. Trust you are well

    I’ve got a couple of questions. You’re of Indian descent, and British, how do the Union Jack and Cross of St George make you feel, if I may rudely inquire?

    You’re under no obligation to answer but my interest is sincere

    Do you feel patriotic? Neutral? Sad? Angry about the empire?

    And does it matter where you see them? Is it intimidating if you see them outside a pub or a shop or simply meaningless?

    And, finally, do you have different emotional reactions to the two flags? There are suggestions on X that the England flag is now seen as the more “provocative”

    Good evening, @Leon. Good thanks, hope you are too.

    Apologies for the late reply. Was out with my Mum on a photo-walk (er, she's a member of not one but two of the local east London/Essex borders camera clubs), starting on Oxford St, Regent St, Carnaby St, Chinatown and Trafalgar. Let's just say the West End was rather busy, to put it mildly!

    Anyway, in answer to your questions, and I feel I must apologise for writing an essay, but anyway: Nope, don't think your rude at all for asking about the flags! As for the Union Jack and St George's Cross, I do feel patriotic for both really. Certainly don't have a problem with with either of them. As you in this morning's thread, I saw a row of five flags (one row of many, in fact) hung across Oxford Street, and was eager to show all of you a picture on PB. And it's always nice to see pubs with the flags too (yes, we still have half a dozen or so in da North Ilford Ghetto!).

    I think I have stated a couple of times on here that the most egregious, cruellest, pernicious aspect of the Empire was that the Powers That Be taught Indians how to play boring Cricket instead of Football. Imagine - India could now be the sporting Brazil of Asia! And I suppose Pakistan could be Argentina!

    For me, England is my home, I've lived here ever since I was 4 months old. I do go back to India every couple of years, but I don't have any real attachment to the place. My language is English, and I have oft stated on here that I regard English as the best language in the world. One of the most disappointing things I find about India is the lack of civic sense in most parts of the country. Most obviously, the huge piles of litter beside train tracks and roads. No real neatness, as if tidiness isn't part of the culture. I could go on, but I digress!

    Anyway, to conclude, perhaps very controversially, and this will probably upset a few PBers, I think that being English is a question of attitude, and not just a question of birth. Hope you find the above scrawlings interesting!
    As I have said before. Some of the most English people I ever met were not born here but came here at a young age. Nor were they white. Englishness is a matter of culture and, as you so rightly say, attitude. In my view birthplace and ethnicity have nothing to do with it.
    I used to think Englishness was an ethnic identity, Britishness a cultural one.

    Now, I realise you are correct. Identity is a curious thing, but if you do feel affection for this country, (accepting, it has its flaws), then you are a part of it.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,890
    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    Coming back a little in central France these last 2 years. Insect populations have partially rebounded.

    I have a big wasp nest in my Kent vineyard, if that counts. Getting the man with the gas over soon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 22
    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    I highly doubt what happens on the roundabouts has more than a very marginal impact on that. They are tiny areas of land. Where as I would have thought making some small changes around usage on vast amounts of farm land would.

    And of course we built more houses with less / smaller gardens, trends for concreting the front garden for parking, more astroturf and decking for low maintenance.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,890

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,395

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    We must continue this flag shagging effort, for years, to instil the necessary emotions in the varous peoples of Great Britain
    It’s making me want to fly a saltire in the front garden, just to piss of the local unionists.
    I'd fly the flag of the Sretensky district of Russia. Not because of any support for the locale, but it's just a great flag.
    Hello new profile picture :lol:
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    edited August 22

    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    I highly doubt what happens on the roundabouts has more than a very marginal impact on that. They are tiny areas of land. Where as I would have thought making some small changes around usage on vast amounts of farm land would.

    And of course we built more houses with less / smaller gardens, trends for concreting the front garden for parking, more astroturf and decking for low maintenance.
    It's a spot of unusable space. The lowest possible costs; lots of benefits. Across all publicly owned land, from councils and railways to the military, you could provide a very large amount of habitat if you let such spaces run wild. My garden is like a buffet for insects, and it's tiny.

    But yes, farming is the big one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Weather wise - looks like Monday is this summer's last hurrah
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
    Personally I think January is good. The year has turned by that point. It tends to be drier than earlier in winter. It's a new beginning.

    December is also fine. We sensibly have a massive celebration and feast to help us through the darkness.

    November is the problem month. Dark, wet and cold. Go back a few centuries and the month would have its share of feasting - Martinmas, to mark the start of winter - but even with bonfire night there just isn't enough to sustain the month. And people have chosen it for NaNoWriMo, so that you can feel miserable for not writing a book, and Movember, so you have to be jolly about people growing daft moustaches. November is a problem looking for a solution.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    Foxy said:

    Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, told a top administration official she never saw President Trump engage in improper or illegal acts during his long friendship with Mr. Epstein, according to interview transcripts released late Friday.

    The transcripts and audio, covering two days of discussions between Ms. Maxwell and Todd Blanche, a former Trump defense lawyer tapped to the No. 2 post at the Justice Department, are likely to raise as many questions as they answer.


    NY Times blog

    What an extraordinary coincidence that her testimony exonerates the only man who can pardon and release her!
    Alberto Fujimori, while on trial, like all ex-Presidents in Peru, opened a drawer in his desk.

    It contained a brand new passport in his name, with his photo. A Japanese passport. A country which he claimed he wasn’t a citizen of. Nor had he ever applied for such as passport. Dear me, no.

    So he did what anyone would do, on discovering a passport in their name, that they hadn’t applied for, for a country that they weren’t a citizen of.

    He booked a one way ticket.

    Unkind people said rude things about this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    13m

    Bolton’s home raided, Gen. Kruse fired, Epstein coverup proceeds, seizure of 10% of Intel another step to state capitalism. One day in the somewhat chaotic but purposeful march towards…despotism.

    And does anyone think they’re doing all this so they can hand over power in 2028?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,589

    Foxy said:

    Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, told a top administration official she never saw President Trump engage in improper or illegal acts during his long friendship with Mr. Epstein, according to interview transcripts released late Friday.

    The transcripts and audio, covering two days of discussions between Ms. Maxwell and Todd Blanche, a former Trump defense lawyer tapped to the No. 2 post at the Justice Department, are likely to raise as many questions as they answer.


    NY Times blog

    What an extraordinary coincidence that her testimony exonerates the only man who can pardon and release her!
    Alberto Fujimori, while on trial, like all ex-Presidents in Peru, opened a drawer in his desk.

    It contained a brand new passport in his name, with his photo. A Japanese passport. A country which he claimed he wasn’t a citizen of. Nor had he ever applied for such as passport. Dear me, no.

    So he did what anyone would do, on discovering a passport in their name, that they hadn’t applied for, for a country that they weren’t a citizen of.

    He booked a one way ticket.

    Unkind people said rude things about this.
    TBF, Fujimori isn't a very Peruvian name.

    OTOH, he was a very unpleasant guy indeed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    Apple is now in exploratory discussions with Google about using Gemini to power a revamped version of Siri.
    https://x.com/markgurman/status/1958941084249465104

    I am surprised how piss poor Apple have been at developing their own LLMs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
    Personally I think January is good. The year has turned by that point. It tends to be drier than earlier in winter. It's a new beginning.

    December is also fine. We sensibly have a massive celebration and feast to help us through the darkness.

    November is the problem month. Dark, wet and cold. Go back a few centuries and the month would have its share of feasting - Martinmas, to mark the start of winter - but even with bonfire night there just isn't enough to sustain the month. And people have chosen it for NaNoWriMo, so that you can feel miserable for not writing a book, and Movember, so you have to be jolly about people growing daft moustaches. November is a problem looking for a solution.
    Thanksgiving?
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 157

    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    I highly doubt what happens on the roundabouts has more than a very marginal impact on that. They are tiny areas of land. Where as I would have thought making some small changes around usage on vast amounts of farm land would.

    And of course we built more houses with less / smaller gardens, trends for concreting the front garden for parking, more astroturf and decking for low maintenance.
    One of the worst things about modern house building is seeing streets of new houses going up with the entire garden covered in paving slabs and astroturf.

    Not too fussed about roundabouts, as long as vision at junctions is not obscured. Trees and branches are a bigger issue for visibility than unkept grass

    If the government are serious about helping wildlife, properly fund the SFI and new greening schemes. Help farmers who don't want to produce food at all or give up their marginal land to revert it to more nature friendly practices. It'll take a whack of money to do it properly, so don't hold your breath
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 22
    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    I highly doubt what happens on the roundabouts has more than a very marginal impact on that. They are tiny areas of land. Where as I would have thought making some small changes around usage on vast amounts of farm land would.

    And of course we built more houses with less / smaller gardens, trends for concreting the front garden for parking, more astroturf and decking for low maintenance.
    One of the worst things about modern house building is seeing streets of new houses going up with the entire garden covered in paving slabs and astroturf.

    Not too fussed about roundabouts, as long as vision at junctions is not obscured. Trees and branches are a bigger issue for visibility than unkept grass

    If the government are serious about helping wildlife, properly fund the SFI and new greening schemes. Help farmers who don't want to produce food at all or give up their marginal land to revert it to more nature friendly practices. It'll take a whack of money to do it properly, so don't hold your breath
    This is a particular problem with a number of roundabouts near me.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 157

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    I highly doubt what happens on the roundabouts has more than a very marginal impact on that. They are tiny areas of land. Where as I would have thought making some small changes around usage on vast amounts of farm land would.

    And of course we built more houses with less / smaller gardens, trends for concreting the front garden for parking, more astroturf and decking for low maintenance.
    One of the worst things about modern house building is seeing streets of new houses going up with the entire garden covered in paving slabs and astroturf.

    Not too fussed about roundabouts, as long as vision at junctions is not obscured. Trees and branches are a bigger issue for visibility than unkept grass

    If the government are serious about helping wildlife, properly fund the SFI and new greening schemes. Help farmers who don't want to produce food at all or give up their marginal land to revert it to more nature friendly practices. It'll take a whack of money to do it properly, so don't hold your breath
    This is a particular problem with a number of roundabouts near me.
    Lol, yes similar issues near me. It's almost as if councils and planners undertake all their reviews and decision making behind desks without actually visiting sites to address problems. Centralisation at its worst
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 22
    White House announces chipmaker Intel to give US government 10% stake
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3zpdl3xdo

    "President Donald Trump said on Friday the U.S. would take a 10% stake in Intel (INTC.O), opens new tab under a deal with the struggling chipmaker and is planning more such moves, the latest extraordinary intervention by the White House in corporate America."

    The Pentagon is also slated to become the largest shareholder in a small mining company to boost output of rare earth magnets and the U.S. government negotiated for itself a "golden share" with certain veto rights as part of a deal to allow Nippon Steel to buy U.S. Steel.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-intel-has-agreed-deal-us-take-10-equity-stake-2025-08-22/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,705

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
    Personally I think January is good. The year has turned by that point. It tends to be drier than earlier in winter. It's a new beginning.

    December is also fine. We sensibly have a massive celebration and feast to help us through the darkness.

    November is the problem month. Dark, wet and cold. Go back a few centuries and the month would have its share of feasting - Martinmas, to mark the start of winter - but even with bonfire night there just isn't enough to sustain the month. And people have chosen it for NaNoWriMo, so that you can feel miserable for not writing a book, and Movember, so you have to be jolly about people growing daft moustaches. November is a problem looking for a solution.
    Thanksgiving?
    Poppymas first. Lest we forget.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    I recall driving at night in the late seventies and eighties where the moths would be abundant. Mainly holiday memories, so North Devon, but no reason to think it wasn’t the case everywhere.
    Like everything there is balance to be found. I’m all for wilding areas and lots of wild flowers etc. However at one of our local roundabouts the long wild grass is a danger to motorists visibility.
    But in general let the wild back in!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    The "wilding" of roundabout aka council money saving in the name of eco causes just make it look like the UK doesn't care.

    We're seeing falls in insect life of over 70% over the last 20 years. It's catastrophic, and we depend on them for our food. I don't have much time for people whining about our wild roundabouts in that context.

    (Apparently we used to have "moth snowstorms" in the 70s - you'd have to stop driving).
    Coming back a little in central France these last 2 years. Insect populations have partially rebounded.

    I have a big wasp nest in my Kent vineyard, if that counts. Getting the man with the gas over soon.
    Can you not leave them? I thought wasps only use a nest once and move on?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527

    White House announces chipmaker Intel to give US government 10% stake
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3zpdl3xdo

    "President Donald Trump said on Friday the U.S. would take a 10% stake in Intel (INTC.O), opens new tab under a deal with the struggling chipmaker and is planning more such moves, the latest extraordinary intervention by the White House in corporate America."

    The Pentagon is also slated to become the largest shareholder in a small mining company to boost output of rare earth magnets and the U.S. government negotiated for itself a "golden share" with certain veto rights as part of a deal to allow Nippon Steel to buy U.S. Steel.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-intel-has-agreed-deal-us-take-10-equity-stake-2025-08-22/

    Intel up 5% today.

    Did Intel really "give" 10% to Trump?

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
    I rather like the bleakness of winter, with the occasional startling clear sunny and crisp day. I also like nesting in a warm cost home on the long dark cold nights.

    But each to their own, and all that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,589
    Latest light work

    Sitting room


  • glwglw Posts: 10,489


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    13m

    Bolton’s home raided, Gen. Kruse fired, Epstein coverup proceeds, seizure of 10% of Intel another step to state capitalism. One day in the somewhat chaotic but purposeful march towards…despotism.

    And does anyone think they’re doing all this so they can hand over power in 2028?

    Well on the way to becoming much like Putin's Russia. America is fucked.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    "Nigel Farage: This is a massive crisis. We need mass deportations

    The Reform UK leader believes he will have one shot at No 10 — and next week will make his biggest move yet" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/e3a45ba3-cec9-4ae5-b687-a1cabe2dabee
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    Trump: “It's a Democrat hoax. It's just a hoax. The whole Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax.”


    His whole base think it was the biggest cover up of all time and that everyone who they think of as elite was in on it.

    How will they react now?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,489

    Trump: “It's a Democrat hoax. It's just a hoax. The whole Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax.”


    His whole base think it was the biggest cover up of all time and that everyone who they think of as elite was in on it.

    How will they react now?

    A hoax where the Epstein estate has paid compensation to over 150 victims, many of whom have alledged that other prominent people were involved in the abuse.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime confidante of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, told a top administration official she never saw President Trump engage in improper or illegal acts during his long friendship with Mr. Epstein, according to interview transcripts released late Friday.

    The transcripts and audio, covering two days of discussions between Ms. Maxwell and Todd Blanche, a former Trump defense lawyer tapped to the No. 2 post at the Justice Department, are likely to raise as many questions as they answer.


    NY Times blog

    What an extraordinary coincidence that her testimony exonerates the only man who can pardon and release her!
    Alberto Fujimori, while on trial, like all ex-Presidents in Peru, opened a drawer in his desk.

    It contained a brand new passport in his name, with his photo. A Japanese passport. A country which he claimed he wasn’t a citizen of. Nor had he ever applied for such as passport. Dear me, no.

    So he did what anyone would do, on discovering a passport in their name, that they hadn’t applied for, for a country that they weren’t a citizen of.

    He booked a one way ticket.

    Unkind people said rude things about this.
    TBF, Fujimori isn't a very Peruvian name.

    OTOH, he was a very unpleasant guy indeed.
    About half Peruvians still worship the guy. His daughter, who is less useful than Liz Truss got within a handful of votes of winning the Presidency. Just on the name.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490

    Trump: “It's a Democrat hoax. It's just a hoax. The whole Epstein thing is a Democrat hoax.”


    His whole base think it was the biggest cover up of all time and that everyone who they think of as elite was in on it.

    How will they react now?

    By getting further up the Fuhrer's arse.
    Meanwhile. The party of Ronald Reagan is taking a share in the commanding heights of the modern economy.
    And idiot "right wingers" in this country are angrily cheering on every US talking point imported.
    It's a peculiar pickle indeed.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    edited August 22
    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    edited August 22
    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?

    Seemingly the Telegraph wakes up every morning to suddenly notice the kind of crap folk have been moaning about for years that got their Party reamed at the election.
    Maybe if their columnists didn't all have private health care they'd have been enlightened pre July 4 2024.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    Bafflingly every surgery in the country appears to offer a different approach. Ours uses eco suits and they are generally really helpful. Usually contacted within a few hours.

    Personally I crave the old days of turning up, taking a numbered ticket and waiting, but GPs don’t seem to like that. Minor injuries clinics and out of hours GP walk in centres do this though.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,235
    Leon said:

    Latest light work

    Sitting room


    For the full Christmas lights effect you could put one of those constantly changing LED light boxes under the bowl.

    I have a hankering for the classic Orrefors series myself.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?
    Wasn’t it Blair who was presented with the unintended consequences of mandating appointments within 48h? It’s been going on for ever.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,589
    This does not sound anything like probable cause to me.

    JD Vance: "We're in the very early stages of an ongoing investigation into John Bolton ... if we think Ambassador Bolton committed a crime, of course eventually prosecutions will come ... there's a broad concern about Ambassador Bolton."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1958936726505709919
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,770
    Andrew Griffiths takes chainsaw to Labour's job cutting bill

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/08/18/griffith-takes-chainsaw-to-labours-job-killing-bill/
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,252

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    Bafflingly every surgery in the country appears to offer a different approach. Ours uses eco suits and they are generally really helpful. Usually contacted within a few hours.

    Personally I crave the old days of turning up, taking a numbered ticket and waiting, but GPs don’t seem to like that. Minor injuries clinics and out of hours GP walk in centres do this though.
    At the same time, I feel like a lot of these Telegraph stories are the outrage of the middle/chattering classes at being treated like the working class has been for the past few decades.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,589
    edited August 22
    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Latest light work

    Sitting room


    For the full Christmas lights effect you could put one of those constantly changing LED light boxes under the bowl.

    I have a hankering for the classic Orrefors series myself.
    If I may be allowed one extra photo

    What you can’t see in this image is that, deep in that geode bowl, is something quite special

    The Murano glass bowl, vintage 1960s, cost £65 on eBay. Vintage Murano glass is insanely cheap. The two-bulb glass lamp cost £22 (end of the line at John Lewis). I put in the lowest possible watt bulb at the bottom, and swapped in a red bulb in the top to get the most out of the colours of the geode bowl

    And then in the depths of the bowl, buried like an exquisite wasp in Jurassic amber from the shores of the Baltic, I placed a perfect flint arrowhead - 12,000 years old - that I found in Gobekli Tepe in 2006 when I was one of the first journalists to go out and interview German archeologist Klaus Schmidt, in situ, and we drank tulip tea in the sun and the dust

    That meeting led to the money that enabled me to buy this same flat

    The arrowhead



  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    HYUFD said:
    What did I just say about idiot right wingers lapping up every imported US talking point?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    Trump has spent the whole day wearing a red cap saying 'Trump was right about everything!' and no tie.

    FFS America. Wake up!!!!

    Next year you celebrate 250 years of being free of kings.


  • Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    13m

    Bolton’s home raided, Gen. Kruse fired, Epstein coverup proceeds, seizure of 10% of Intel another step to state capitalism. One day in the somewhat chaotic but purposeful march towards…despotism.

    And does anyone think they’re doing all this so they can hand over power in 2028?

    It's blatantly obvious Trump isn't going to hand over power. He can't. He has immunity from crimes committed during his terms, but not ones before that. His family don't have immunity. His friends and associates don't. Trump and his camp are completely fucked as soon as a democrat walks in to the White House.

    He has to ensure that doesn't happen. So he'll run again in 2028, with a completely rigged election. People who insist he can't run in 2028 are blind to the shape of the monster they're fighting.

    I suspect Gavin Newsom is one dem who understands this. His attacks on Trump are not a build up to a 2028 presidential run, but a way of positioning California as the centre of an anti-MAGA bloc if the US starts to break up in the aftermath of a sham election.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,252
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?

    Seemingly the Telegraph wakes up every morning to suddenly notice the kind of crap folk have been moaning about for years that got their Party reamed at the election.
    Maybe if their columnists didn't all have private health care they'd have been enlightened pre July 4 2024.
    Their fairly recent immense and heartfelt concern for the white working class is quite something. I had more time for them when they just said "F*ck you - paupers"
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?
    Wasn’t it Blair who was presented with the unintended consequences of mandating appointments within 48h? It’s been going on for ever.
    My last GP simply refused to see me.
    They wouldn't see anyone. Not in 48 hours. Not ever.
    I gave up and phoned 111 or went to the walk in.
    Pretty sure that was 15 years after Blair left office.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 22
    GP appointments problem has been in existence for 20+ years. However, in the meantime every other industry now has online booking, online chat, DMs, including getting medication from online drug providers. Its crazy we are still having the same discussion about GPs.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    Leon said:

    Latest light work

    Sitting room


    Hindu lingams have let themselves go.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    ohnotnow said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?

    Seemingly the Telegraph wakes up every morning to suddenly notice the kind of crap folk have been moaning about for years that got their Party reamed at the election.
    Maybe if their columnists didn't all have private health care they'd have been enlightened pre July 4 2024.
    Their fairly recent immense and heartfelt concern for the white working class is quite something. I had more time for them when they just said "F*ck you - paupers"
    They still do.
    When they're asking for a pay rise. Or better conditions. Or if someone more fortunate might put their hands in their pockets
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?
    Wasn’t it Blair who was presented with the unintended consequences of mandating appointments within 48h? It’s been going on for ever.
    My last GP simply refused to see me.
    They wouldn't see anyone. Not in 48 hours. Not ever.
    I gave up and phoned 111 or went to the walk in.
    Pretty sure that was 15 years after Blair left office.
    In the interests of balance:

    I phoned my GP at 8am this morning because of an issue with the health of a close relative which could not wait until the end of the long bank holiday weekend.

    I spoke to reception at the 8am phone moshpit having been on hold for 4 mins.

    They understood straight away and said the on call GP would phone that day.

    The on call GP phoned an hour later and arranged for a sample to be taken and, whilst we awaiting results, a prescription for some med or other that might well help over the weekend. She was quick thinking, alert to the time issues and very professional.

    Superb service.

    At no point did it feel like I was getting in the way of them having a nice, easy day with no clients to deal with.

    Based on what I read online and conversations with friends and relatives across the country I seem to live near the last decent GP practice in Britain.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
    Personally I think January is good. The year has turned by that point. It tends to be drier than earlier in winter. It's a new beginning.

    December is also fine. We sensibly have a massive celebration and feast to help us through the darkness.

    November is the problem month. Dark, wet and cold. Go back a few centuries and the month would have its share of feasting - Martinmas, to mark the start of winter - but even with bonfire night there just isn't enough to sustain the month. And people have chosen it for NaNoWriMo, so that you can feel miserable for not writing a book, and Movember, so you have to be jolly about people growing daft moustaches. November is a problem looking for a solution.
    Thanksgiving?
    We've done this before (which isn't to say that we shouldn'y do it again...)
    I love November. It's one of my favourite months. Autumnal trees, bonfire night, making the Christmas Cake. The first bite of winter, when it is an enjoyable change to the aeason and you're not yet sick of it. Every November we pick a promising weekend day and go to Arnside to watch the sunset at just before 4 from Arnside Knott. Christmas on the horizon bit none of the worrying details yet in place.

    Whereas all there is to say about January is that relentess bleakness can in its own way be impressive. Slowly, day by day, tbe dawn creeps earlier and finally by the end of the month the sun is up before 8. And by the end of the montb we have the first of the snowdrops. But honestly, it's a truly terrible month with almost nothing to redeem it.

    Personally I would shift Christmas three weeks later. The first half of December is quite pleasant anyway - still the last of the Autumn colours - and isn't a bleakness that needs relieving. Failing that, some sort of festival of mud and the outdoors and cold and damp and physical activity followed by warmth and food and beer around Jan 16th might do the trick.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    I'm a bit taken back by the number of public figures taking Connelly's side, so to speak.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?
    Wasn’t it Blair who was presented with the unintended consequences of mandating appointments within 48h? It’s been going on for ever.
    My last GP simply refused to see me.
    They wouldn't see anyone. Not in 48 hours. Not ever.
    I gave up and phoned 111 or went to the walk in.
    Pretty sure that was 15 years after Blair left office.
    We had a GP go missing in COVID - not my practise, but a neighbouring one.

    Not even telephone consultations. Never started up again.

    Was quite active in chasing people who complained about this online. Sent the police after someone for a message posted in a local forum, which was just the facts. Including a picture of the mail pile inside the glass front door of the practise.

    Eventually merged with couple of other practises.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    edited August 22

    GP appointments problem has been in existence for 20+ years. However, in the meantime every other industry now has online booking, online chat, DMs, including getting medication from online drug providers. Its crazy we are still having the same discussion about GPs.

    My response to that is why wasn't there a problem 25 or 30 years ago? You could ring up your surgery or turn up in person to make an appointment, and most of the time there weren't any significant problems. You'd get an appointment within a reasonable time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?
    Wasn’t it Blair who was presented with the unintended consequences of mandating appointments within 48h? It’s been going on for ever.
    My last GP simply refused to see me.
    They wouldn't see anyone. Not in 48 hours. Not ever.
    I gave up and phoned 111 or went to the walk in.
    Pretty sure that was 15 years after Blair left office.
    In the interests of balance:

    I phoned my GP at 8am this morning because of an issue with the health of a close relative which could not wait until the end of the long bank holiday weekend.

    I spoke to reception at the 8am phone moshpit having been on hold for 4 mins.

    They understood straight away and said the on call GP would phone that day.

    The on call GP phoned an hour later and arranged for a sample to be taken and, whilst we awaiting results, a prescription for some med or other that might well help over the weekend. She was quick thinking, alert to the time issues and very professional.

    Superb service.

    At no point did it feel like I was getting in the way of them having a nice, easy day with no clients to deal with.

    Based on what I read online and conversations with friends and relatives across the country I seem to live near the last decent GP practice in Britain.
    In fairness, my new one is so much better.
    Probably not coincidence that I've moved from the most deprived "WWC" areas of the country to somewhere a bit more average.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    Andy_JS said:

    GP appointments problem has been in existence for 20+ years. However, in the meantime every other industry now has online booking, online chat, DMs, including getting medication from online drug providers. Its crazy we are still having the same discussion about GPs.

    My response to that is why wasn't there a problem 25 or 30 years ago? You could ring up your surgery or turn up in person to make an appointment, and most of the time there weren't any significant problems. You'd get an appointment within a reasonable time.
    Ratio of GPs to patients.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 22
    Andy_JS said:

    GP appointments problem has been in existence for 20+ years. However, in the meantime every other industry now has online booking, online chat, DMs, including getting medication from online drug providers. Its crazy we are still having the same discussion about GPs.

    My response to that is why wasn't there a problem 25 or 30 years ago? You could ring up your surgery or turn up in person to make an appointment, and most of the time there weren't any significant problems. You'd get an appointment within a reasonable time.
    Well a lot more people in the UK, and a lot more old people. But there is a lesser talked about issue, GP as a job now skews a lot more heavily female (hold on......hold on.....), and with this has come more of those who wish to work part-time around family commitments. So although we have more trained GPs than ever, less of them are doing the job full time.

    So much more demand while capacity hasn't kept up both in terms of numbers and average hours worked.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there is also more paperwork, rules and regs as well.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    geoffw said:

    TimS said:

    I bring heartening news for our resident patriots. The A2 and M2 all the way from South East London to Faversham is festooned with British and English flags.

    The Union flags were looking quite pretty, backlit and glowing in the lowering early autumn sun, as I returned from the vineyard this evening.

    Autumn?
    Fraid so
    It was getting dark just after 8 this evening.
    There’s a chill in the late afternoon air. Lengthening shadows, grapes slowly ripening on the vines. Spider webs everywhere. Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness, said Mr Kipling. He does make exceedingly good cakes.

    It’s autumn. Not Guy Fawkes autumn, Keats’ autumn.
    It makes me very happy.
    Indeed. My favourite time of year is early autumn but that's next week.
    I like every month from February to October. November to January should be banned - if Jenrick announces we’re withdrawing from the European convention on the existence of November to January then I’m all in.
    I rather like the bleakness of winter, with the occasional startling clear sunny and crisp day. I also like nesting in a warm cost home on the long dark cold nights.

    But each to their own, and all that.
    Actually, despite my diatribe of five minutes ago, two and a half of my best days this year were in January: the second - impossibly cold and clear and uttwrly beautiful - some of my daughters and I climbed Pen-y-Ghent - and about a week later, when it snowed and my home town was at its most beautiful and I spent almost the whole day walking: my humdrum suburb transformed into a wonderland alive with possibility and magic - and then the next morning when I climbed Winter Hill before dawn to watch the sun rise over the snowy West Pennines.

    So climactically January isn't all bad. But it would be nice to have something communal to look forward to.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm a bit taken back by the number of public figures taking Connelly's side, so to speak.

    Grifting.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm a bit taken back by the number of public figures taking Connelly's side, so to speak.

    Those hotels won't burn themselves.
    And the "WWC" are far too feckless and thick to do it off their own initiative.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,527


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    13m

    Bolton’s home raided, Gen. Kruse fired, Epstein coverup proceeds, seizure of 10% of Intel another step to state capitalism. One day in the somewhat chaotic but purposeful march towards…despotism.

    And does anyone think they’re doing all this so they can hand over power in 2028?

    It's blatantly obvious Trump isn't going to hand over power. He can't. He has immunity from crimes committed during his terms, but not ones before that. His family don't have immunity. His friends and associates don't. Trump and his camp are completely fucked as soon as a democrat walks in to the White House.

    He has to ensure that doesn't happen. So he'll run again in 2028, with a completely rigged election. People who insist he can't run in 2028 are blind to the shape of the monster they're fighting.

    I suspect Gavin Newsom is one dem who understands this. His attacks on Trump are not a build up to a 2028 presidential run, but a way of positioning California as the centre of an anti-MAGA bloc if the US starts to break up in the aftermath of a sham election.
    Yes. It is all a bit Netanyahu basically.

    Trump cannot leave the WH in 2028 without massive personal consequences.

    So he wont.

    Wake up America!!

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,705
    Andy_JS said:

    GP appointments problem has been in existence for 20+ years. However, in the meantime every other industry now has online booking, online chat, DMs, including getting medication from online drug providers. Its crazy we are still having the same discussion about GPs.

    My response to that is why wasn't there a problem 25 or 30 years ago? You could ring up your surgery or turn up in person to make an appointment, and most of the time there weren't any significant problems. You'd get an appointment within a reasonable time.
    Partly it is fewer WTE GPs per capita, partly an ageing population (demand goes up sharply with age) and partly that hospital staff dump more work on GPs via discharging patients much earlier. So demand exceeds supply. It really isn't difficult to figure out.

    Streetings plan is to divert funding away from hospitals and into primary care. He realises that is where 90% of NHS contact is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,770
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,310

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A good example of enshittification.

    Something that used to be done very simply using a phone and an appointment book is now like something out of a surreal novel. Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/22/britain-is-now-ruled-by-the-unelected-and-the-unaccountable

    "I had a brief insight into how powerless we have become at the hands of the unelected elite when I tried to book a GP appointment this week. I called my surgery at 8am and after sitting through a lengthy recorded message, was told I was “third person in the queue”.

    When I finally got through to a (human) receptionist, I was told to fill out an online form in a bid to be “triaged” for a telephone consultation at some point in the following 48 hours. I missed the first call, there wasn’t a second and then I received a text message requesting photographic evidence to process my “eConsult”.

    How did it come to this? Who suddenly decided that patients should be treated as an inconvenience, to be kept at arm’s length from any medical professional unless in a dire state of emergency? I know I didn’t vote for it – and I’m sure you didn’t either."

    I don't know.
    Was it the Tory government of the time?
    Wasn’t it Blair who was presented with the unintended consequences of mandating appointments within 48h? It’s been going on for ever.
    My last GP simply refused to see me.
    They wouldn't see anyone. Not in 48 hours. Not ever.
    I gave up and phoned 111 or went to the walk in.
    Pretty sure that was 15 years after Blair left office.
    In the interests of balance:

    I phoned my GP at 8am this morning because of an issue with the health of a close relative which could not wait until the end of the long bank holiday weekend.

    I spoke to reception at the 8am phone moshpit having been on hold for 4 mins.

    They understood straight away and said the on call GP would phone that day.

    The on call GP phoned an hour later and arranged for a sample to be taken and, whilst we awaiting results, a prescription for some med or other that might well help over the weekend. She was quick thinking, alert to the time issues and very professional.

    Superb service.

    At no point did it feel like I was getting in the way of them having a nice, easy day with no clients to deal with.

    Based on what I read online and conversations with friends and relatives across the country I seem to live near the last decent GP practice in Britain.
    Mine is pretty good -- yes, they have the "phone at 8:30 and wait in queue for the receptionist" setup, but the wait isn't that long, and then the GP calls back fairly quickly. A screwup on my end meant their callbacks went straight to voicemail, but they tried multiple times including to landline and mobile and sending a text, and then when (having taken my mobile off DND) I called reception back to ask them if they could try one more time they did, and then managed to squeeze in a face to face session before lunch so they could look in my ear. So they did more than they were obliged to to compensate for my error, and I was able to get a diagnosis and prescription that fixed the problem. I've had good results from the on site front-line physio too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    HYUFD said:
    People will run a mile not to vote for him.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,181

    White House announces chipmaker Intel to give US government 10% stake
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3zpdl3xdo

    "President Donald Trump said on Friday the U.S. would take a 10% stake in Intel (INTC.O), opens new tab under a deal with the struggling chipmaker and is planning more such moves, the latest extraordinary intervention by the White House in corporate America."

    The Pentagon is also slated to become the largest shareholder in a small mining company to boost output of rare earth magnets and the U.S. government negotiated for itself a "golden share" with certain veto rights as part of a deal to allow Nippon Steel to buy U.S. Steel.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-intel-has-agreed-deal-us-take-10-equity-stake-2025-08-22/

    Intel up 5% today.

    Did Intel really "give" 10% to Trump?

    "The U.S. agreed to purchase a 9.9% stake in Intel for $8.9 billion at a price of $20.47 a share, which is a discount of about $4 per share from Intel's closing share price of $24.80 on Friday.

    Basically, Intel sold the US government $9.4bn of shares for $8.9bn - so the government has saved itself $450m.

    Or, to put it another way, Intel has found someone willing to write a $9bn cheque at a time when it's not doing so good.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,310
    rcs1000 said:

    White House announces chipmaker Intel to give US government 10% stake
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3zpdl3xdo

    "President Donald Trump said on Friday the U.S. would take a 10% stake in Intel (INTC.O), opens new tab under a deal with the struggling chipmaker and is planning more such moves, the latest extraordinary intervention by the White House in corporate America."

    The Pentagon is also slated to become the largest shareholder in a small mining company to boost output of rare earth magnets and the U.S. government negotiated for itself a "golden share" with certain veto rights as part of a deal to allow Nippon Steel to buy U.S. Steel.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-intel-has-agreed-deal-us-take-10-equity-stake-2025-08-22/

    Intel up 5% today.

    Did Intel really "give" 10% to Trump?

    "The U.S. agreed to purchase a 9.9% stake in Intel for $8.9 billion at a price of $20.47 a share, which is a discount of about $4 per share from Intel's closing share price of $24.80 on Friday.

    Basically, Intel sold the US government $9.4bn of shares for $8.9bn - so the government has saved itself $450m.

    Or, to put it another way, Intel has found someone willing to write a $9bn cheque at a time when it's not doing so good.
    On the other hand about 5 billion of that was apparently grant money Intel had apparently already been awarded under the CHIPS act but not yet paid -- so to some extent this is the government retrospectively changing the terms of the deal from "we'll write you a cheque" to "we'll write you a cheque but you need to give us shares for it"...
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