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edited August 3 in General
Could Canada join the EU? – politicalbetting.com

"Canada must remove barriers with the European Union to more deeply integrate Canada's economy with the EU in order to reduce our dependence on the US"? Agree: 85%? Disagree: 12% https://t.co/xcixjHsH3B pic.twitter.com/dQlRzkInaa

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,096
    Some of them already speak French, fwiw.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,185

    Some of them already speak French, fwiw.

    in a manner of speaking

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,929
    I believe they turned down Morocco on the grounds it isn't in Europe. On the other hand, it isn't a rich western democracy either, and Cyprus isn't in Europe (neither are parts of Spain, France, the Netherlands or Greece, and Malta is arguably in Africa as it is in the African plate)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,963
    No. Good clickbait, though.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    It was the same in Portsmouth, a local independent(at the time) councillor exposed it and was castigated for it by the council.

    These cover ups make things worse and feed conspiracy theorists.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,298
    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
  • eekeek Posts: 30,856
    edited August 3

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    I get that the police don't want to have to deal with a riot that evening - but as you say hiding the story damages people's opinion of the police and is likely to cost the police commissioner their job whenever the next election is.

    And I bet the commissioner wasn't asked to give their opinion before the news was contained...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    The story in all aspects is explosive
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,246
    Wishful thinking, but the fact liberal democracies wish for it says something about the EU effect.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,090

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    Back in the old days people used to be very careful about what they said after people were charged.

    Has that gone by the board now that we're all "post truth"?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,750
    edited August 3
    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    There is no reason why we can’t build a form of Western free trade alliance with the EU at its centre. Such an arrangement would be broadly acceptable for most I suspect, whilst giving cover for not seeking further integration with the core EU.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,298
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
    Indeed but it is not going to happen, but an associate membership for outer EU countries including Canada, UK, Norway and others is the future
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,855
    edited August 3
    FPT:
    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Two hours later - during which time I've sunbathed, eaten a custard tart, done an hour's hard writing, emailed several friends, and checked the refurb of my flat - and basically all you've done is talk about me

    As a narcissist, this pleases me

    As an observer of human nature, I say FFS get a life you losers and stop wanking on about someone you've never even met. You're pitifully obsessed, especially @IanB2, @kjh and @occasionalranter

    There is literally something wrong with you, and I mean that in a kind way

    I don't think you get how every one of your posts is so ironic.

    I haven't posted for 1 hr and 25 min, during which time I have been busy with a chain saw.
    You are President Javier Milei, and I claim my £5.
    @taz beat you to it. In the pub now so have put the chainsaw down. I can't be the only one on PB to wield a chainsaw and axe.
    I've just bought this. Gamechanger.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oregon-Jolly-Professional-Chain-Sharpener/dp/B07DCZMV6G/

    I'm glad I didn't bother checking in earlier tonight. Drunk ramblings and people posting LLM produced C+Ps at each other.

    I do like a good chainsaw discussion though. Just done the HEXA chain upgrade on my MS500i and ordered a wildly dangerous bow bar from Canada.
    Chainsaw discussion - righty-ho !

    Is this the Oregan Powersharp system, or a posh and expensive sharpening machine that costs the same as 2 of my fairly posh cordless chainsaw?

    Oregan Powersharp is a different bar on the chainsaw itself, which we discussed over on Buildhub in (checks) 2017. A qualified tree man said:

    Oregon PowerSharp bar ... has a reverse bevel chain so the top of the tooth is sharpened not the curved cut as per a normal chain.

    Stick the stone on it and rev the nuts off it whilst pressing onto a sturdy log and a shower of sparks later you have a sharp chain ...

    See them on the low end stuff in the sheds now as it means Joe Public can use a sharp chain to hack his own leg off rather than spend money on PPE and a sharpening system ...


    I think you bought a sharpening system. :smile:

    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/2717-self-sharpening-chainsaws/
  • All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,562
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    The story in all aspects is explosive
    Just for perspective, is it as 'explosive' as the Chagos sell out? We've hardly recovered from the riots from that one.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    The story in all aspects is explosive
    It’s not good but we’ve already been told in this thread people only care about this stuff when the perpetrators are not white.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,728
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
    Mind, a chunk of France, namely the Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, is actually right next to Canada, indeed closer to it than the UK is to France ...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,665

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    The problem with that is a) the US has voted for Trump knowing full well the kind of "man" he is, and b) the damage that is being done now and may yet be done by any post Trump but still MAGA regime is permanently damaging the democracy of the United States and undermining it's economy.

    I do not think we can rely on the idea that America comes to its senses.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    I get that the police don't want to have to deal with a riot that evening - but as you say hiding the story damages people's opinion of the police and is likely to cost the police commissioner their job whenever the next election is.

    And I bet the commissioner wasn't asked to give their opinion before the news was contained...
    I used to go to Latin America a lot where trust in authorities and government is bugger all. What happens, basically pick and choose how they decide to follow laws and social conventions and of course the rich can bribe their ways out of trouble.

    Yes knuckle draggers might turn up for a ruck, but we do need to put in proportion, what we call a riot, the French call a quiet evening. The far right is really very small group of people. And we correctly punish people severely for rioting.

    I am more worried about if you keep covering up and lying to normal folk a) does it make it easier to radicalise them and b) we don't want to go down a path like Latin America, where it is just presumed the authorities lie about everything.

    Now I am not going to go all Leon and say we are anywhere near that, but the authorities need to realise with social media / WhatsApp the word will get around and you want to be the one setting the narrative not some egg icon called Ahgdhjgsfhg7748454 on twitter.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    Cicero said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    The problem with that is a) the US has voted for Trump knowing full well the kind of "man" he is, and b) the damage that is being done now and may yet be done by any post Trump but still MAGA regime is permanently damaging the democracy of the United States and undermining it's economy.

    I do not think we can rely on the idea that America comes to its senses.
    It was Trump v Harris, a pretty poor choice all in all.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,459
    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
    Mind, a chunk of France, namely the Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, is actually right next to Canada, indeed closer to it than the UK is to France ...
    I have long found this curious. Is there a reason that we let the French keep these two islands when we booted them out of Quebec and Acadia?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,096
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    The story in all aspects is explosive
    Yes, except the strangulation part will have Peter Kyle (who'd never get that rhyming slang name today) claiming vindication for his age/vpn policy about the dangers of strangulation porn (is that even a thing?).

    Not to mention the last thing the police want to do is trigger a riot or even a small, peaceful demonstration before they've had time to cancel leave and call in support from neighbouring forces.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,855
    edited August 3

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    Canada, of course, has a land border with a Danish Autonomous Territory :wink: . French Guyana is in, as is New Caledonia (I think).

    Why not Canada?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    Also, the police were really keen to tell us about the 50-something white British man who drove the car into Liverpool’s footie celebrations. We knew within minutes who he was. Sub judice not an issue

    Two Afghan asylum seekers kidnap, strangle and rape a 12 year old girl in Nuneaton? “Ah, hush it all up, don’t tell anyone, maintain community cohesion, if anyone complains use sub judice as an excuse”

    We can now all see what they do. We know. Two tier methods in their two two tier judicial system. What’s more, they know that we know

    It’s pretty grim
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,298
    Cicero said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    The problem with that is a) the US has voted for Trump knowing full well the kind of "man" he is, and b) the damage that is being done now and may yet be done by any post Trump but still MAGA regime is permanently damaging the democracy of the United States and undermining it's economy.

    I do not think we can rely on the idea that America comes to its senses.
    Canada is not going to join the EU but a wider trade association across the globe is certainly the way forward

    An agreement between the EU and the TPPA would be an excellent mechanism
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,562
    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters. When I was in the US all the time, American Eagle was for those who couldn't afford A&F (when they were the height of cool), and below both of those Old Navy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3
    You can't tell me for a second noel didn't miss this atmosphere deep down when he was in nghfb
    https://x.com/OasisLGNGFan/status/1951778722840723849

    I am guessing TSE wasn't down there, he was in the air conditioned private box? Don't want the plebs ruining his expensive trainers.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,690
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Two hours later - during which time I've sunbathed, eaten a custard tart, done an hour's hard writing, emailed several friends, and checked the refurb of my flat - and basically all you've done is talk about me

    As a narcissist, this pleases me

    As an observer of human nature, I say FFS get a life you losers and stop wanking on about someone you've never even met. You're pitifully obsessed, especially @IanB2, @kjh and @occasionalranter

    There is literally something wrong with you, and I mean that in a kind way

    I don't think you get how every one of your posts is so ironic.

    I haven't posted for 1 hr and 25 min, during which time I have been busy with a chain saw.
    You are President Javier Milei, and I claim my £5.
    @taz beat you to it. In the pub now so have put the chainsaw down. I can't be the only one on PB to wield a chainsaw and axe.
    I've just bought this. Gamechanger.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oregon-Jolly-Professional-Chain-Sharpener/dp/B07DCZMV6G/

    I'm glad I didn't bother checking in earlier tonight. Drunk ramblings and people posting LLM produced C+Ps at each other.

    I do like a good chainsaw discussion though. Just done the HEXA chain upgrade on my MS500i and ordered a wildly dangerous bow bar from Canada.
    Chainsaw discussion - righty-ho !

    Is this the Oregan Powersharp system, or a posh and expensive sharpening machine that costs the same as 2 of my fairly posh cordless chainsaw?

    Oregan Powersharp is a different bar on the chainsaw itself, which we discussed over on Buildhub in (checks) 2017. A qualified tree man said:

    Oregon PowerSharp bar ... has a reverse bevel chain so the top of the tooth is sharpened not the curved cut as per a normal chain.

    Stick the stone on it and rev the nuts off it whilst pressing onto a sturdy log and a shower of sparks later you have a sharp chain ...

    See them on the low end stuff in the sheds now as it means Joe Public can use a sharp chain to hack his own leg off rather than spend money on PPE and a sharpening system ...


    I think you bought a sharpening system. :smile:

    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/2717-self-sharpening-chainsaws/
    It's the sharpening machine. I still do the rakers by hand and eye though as I like a lot of bite (and my saws can pull a lot of bite) and do a 0.8mm gap instead of the 0.6mm recommended by Stihl.

    I was thinking of getting a 41" bar for my MS881 and building an Alaskan sawmill to slab a giant walnut tree I've got but I need my full squad of Ukranian sappers for the project and one is away working on a cruise ship.

    On topic... Canada will not be joining the EU. As recent events have demonstrated the UK, Canada, etc. will suffer any indignity rather than emerge from subservience to the USA. It's going to take a lot more than Trump to change that situation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,272
    Canada might have a deeper trade deal with the EU but next to no chance it joins it, otherwise the concept of a European Union loses its meaning
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,298

    Cicero said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    The problem with that is a) the US has voted for Trump knowing full well the kind of "man" he is, and b) the damage that is being done now and may yet be done by any post Trump but still MAGA regime is permanently damaging the democracy of the United States and undermining it's economy.

    I do not think we can rely on the idea that America comes to its senses.
    Canada is not going to join the EU but a wider trade association across the globe is certainly the way forward

    An agreement between the EU and the TPPA would be an excellent mechanism
    *Canada is a founding member of TPPA
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,855

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    If we do that we will have to redesign our Jury system on the USA model, where they have Jury pools of scores to hundreds, extensive interrogations, and harsher expectations on individual jurors.

    It is a bit of a circus by comparison, as we saw with Trump's trials in New York.

    They do things like run with a full B-team in the jury box, for all the ones who drop out.

    I suspect it will also be much more expensive, and the USA spends a huge amount more on it's legal system than we do, and it is far less effective.

    I'd say this one won't happen because of Govt hating spending money.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,015

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,298
    HYUFD said:

    Canada might have a deeper trade deal with the EU but next to no chance it joins it, otherwise the concept of a European Union loses its meaning

    Canada would have to leave the TPPA which is a non starter
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3
    Malcolm Shaw KC, a leading lawyer, said that the recognition plan “would create a troublesome precedent and could well challenge and ultimately destabilise an international system founded upon a common understanding of what it is to be a state”.

    The fresh legal opinion, seen by The Telegraph, was circulated to the Prime Minister, Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, and dozens of influential Labour MPs.

    It was commissioned by Lord Mendelsohn, the Labour peer, in response to Sir Keir’s decision to recognise a State of Palestine in September unless Israel meets certain conditions.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/03/recognising-palestinian-state-international-law/

    We know how keen Lord Hermer is all government policies being in accordance with international law....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,562

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,298
    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    I agree largely with that, but there is a simmering two tier attitude to the police and covering anything up adds to what is becoming a very toxic issue

    There is a very fine line to followed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,459
    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    The fact that the police have nicked suspects and are not looking for anyone else at present is all we need to know at this point. It shows that police take these crimes seriously and are protecting the public.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    I get that the police don't want to have to deal with a riot that evening - but as you say hiding the story damages people's opinion of the police and is likely to cost the police commissioner their job whenever the next election is.

    And I bet the commissioner wasn't asked to give their opinion before the news was contained...
    I used to go to Latin America a lot where trust in authorities and government is bugger all. What happens, basically pick and choose how they decide to follow laws and social conventions and of course the rich can bribe their ways out of trouble.

    Yes knuckle draggers might turn up for a ruck, but we do need to put in proportion, what we call a riot, the French call a quiet evening. The far right is really very small group of people. And we correctly punish people severely for rioting.

    I am more worried about if you keep covering up and lying to normal folk a) does it make it easier to radicalise them and b) we don't want to go down a path like Latin America, where it is just presumed the authorities lie about everything.

    Now I am not going to go all Leon and say we are anywhere near that, but the authorities need to realise with social media / WhatsApp the word will get around and you want to be the one setting the narrative not some egg icon called Ahgdhjgsfhg7748454 on twitter.
    Yesterday it was posted, as if it was some Damascene revelation, that a significant proportion of last years rioters had involvement in domestic violence.

    It cannot be a surprise that people who turn up looking for a ruck have a predisposition towards violence and aggression.

    Especially out of the football season.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,728
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
    Mind, a chunk of France, namely the Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, is actually right next to Canada, indeed closer to it than the UK is to France ...
    I have long found this curious. Is there a reason that we let the French keep these two islands when we booted them out of Quebec and Acadia?
    Wiki says several cycles of Brits kicking them out when war came but allowing them to go back when peace broke out - essentially as a base for the French fishing effort on the Grand Banks.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,096
    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Part of the problem lies in “once the legal process has been completed” which can take years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,855
    edited August 3

    Malcolm Shaw KC, a leading lawyer, said that the recognition plan “would create a troublesome precedent and could well challenge and ultimately destabilise an international system founded upon a common understanding of what it is to be a state”.

    The fresh legal opinion, seen by The Telegraph, was circulated to the Prime Minister, Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, and dozens of influential Labour MPs.

    It was commissioned by Lord Mendelsohn, the Labour peer, in response to Sir Keir’s decision to recognise a State of Palestine in September unless Israel meets certain conditions.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/03/recognising-palestinian-state-international-law/

    We know how keen Lord Hermer is all government policies being in accordance with international law....

    One opinion - perhaps they have 3 or 4 opinions !

    This reminds me of last week's "But but but this treaty says ....". "This Treaty" being a Treaty about the Americas.

    I still think the appropriate model is perhaps the Balfour Declaration, if the Govt move on this.

    I'm not very clear how this would 'destabilise the international system', when "147 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine".

    There seems some justification to go both ways.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,811
    edited August 3

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    Where it all began......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQz-RO3XAwE
  • TresTres Posts: 2,977
    Leon said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    Also, the police were really keen to tell us about the 50-something white British man who drove the car into Liverpool’s footie celebrations. We knew within minutes who he was. Sub judice not an issue

    Two Afghan asylum seekers kidnap, strangle and rape a 12 year old girl in Nuneaton? “Ah, hush it all up, don’t tell anyone, maintain community cohesion, if anyone complains use sub judice as an excuse”

    We can now all see what they do. We know. Two tier methods in their two two tier judicial system. What’s more, they know that we know

    It’s pretty grim
    the only grim thing here is your obvious disappointment is you didn't get another riot that you could follow all weekend on social media
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,725
    "Sponsoring the Waterloo and City Line
    Jago Hazzard"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKsTI1dMrU
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    edited August 3

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774
    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,394

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nunu2 said:

    Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl in quiet Warwickshire town


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14965559/Afghan-asylum-seekers-charged-alleged-rape-girl-Warwickshire-town.html

    These stories are happening every day now.

    They will tell us crime is going down. Liars

    The Saxon begins to hate


    “A second man, Mohammad Kabir, also 23, has been charged with aiding and abetting rape, as well as strangulation and kidnap of the girl, who is now receiving specialist care.

    Despite the huge interest the incident has caused in Nuneaton, sources have told the Mail on Sunday that Warwickshire Police advised local councillors and officials not to reveal the asylum seeker background of the two suspects, for fear of 'inflaming community tensions”

    STRANGULATION
    How stupid are these people, covering things up a) doesn't work into today's connected world (everybody is in WhatsApp groups) and b) trying to cover up things just makes it worse and allows falsehoods to spread and then made even worse when found there is a cover up....did they learn nothing from the incident of the Welsh choir boy.

    Once people lose all trust in authorities then what.
    The story in all aspects is explosive
    Just for perspective, is it as 'explosive' as the Chagos sell out? We've hardly recovered from the riots from that one.
    • Chagos
    • Abortion
    • Afghan leak
    I think this is a different tier (heh) though, simply because it confirms a narrative in the way the others didn't. There is a cumulative effect too and I think if there is another round of disorder, it could spark off on something relatively minor.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3
    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path. She isn't even the super hottest of the mega hot celeb / modelling world, but there is a market for the yes there are people in normal society who look like that.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,247
    Roger said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    Where it all began......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQz-RO3XAwE
    I liked this comment.


  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,394
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774
    If you do an X search on Nuneaton you get these news results in recent days

    https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/extra-patrols-after-suspicious-man-32177592

    https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/appeal-leads-nuneaton-mans-arrest-32155841

    All the news is weirdly vague. “Incident”. “Man”. “Suspicious”

    We have no proof this is more crime by asylum seekers - or not - but that’s because the news won’t tell you. And if lived in Nuneaton right now I’d be thinking “wtf is going on, who is committing these crimes?” Especially now they know the police tried to hush up the Afghan rapes

    As @FrancisUrquhart says, the cover up and secrecy is probably making it all worse - and the eventual backlash will be more extreme
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,725
    "‘Trans rage’ protesters vandalise Wes Streeting’s office
    Local business owner claims this is not the first attack on Health Secretary’s constituency headquarters"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/01/trans-rage-protesters-vandalise-wes-streeting-office
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3
    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    We really are in cones hotline territory here. People doing illegal stuff most of whom aren't based in the UK aren't going to worry about putting 81 people on a boat or if they advertise on TikTok*...also I presume most of this stuff is done very services like private Telegram groups anyway (and if it wasn't before, it will be now).

    It will be about as effective as "crack downs" on drug advertising on Snapchat and TikTok...
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    Andy_JS said:

    "‘Trans rage’ protesters vandalise Wes Streeting’s office
    Local business owner claims this is not the first attack on Health Secretary’s constituency headquarters"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/01/trans-rage-protesters-vandalise-wes-streeting-office

    Toxic masculine aggression
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,855
    MattW said:

    Malcolm Shaw KC, a leading lawyer, said that the recognition plan “would create a troublesome precedent and could well challenge and ultimately destabilise an international system founded upon a common understanding of what it is to be a state”.

    The fresh legal opinion, seen by The Telegraph, was circulated to the Prime Minister, Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, and dozens of influential Labour MPs.

    It was commissioned by Lord Mendelsohn, the Labour peer, in response to Sir Keir’s decision to recognise a State of Palestine in September unless Israel meets certain conditions.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/03/recognising-palestinian-state-international-law/

    We know how keen Lord Hermer is all government policies being in accordance with international law....

    One opinion - perhaps they have 3 or 4 opinions !

    This reminds me of last week's "But but but this treaty says ....". "This Treaty" being a Treaty about the Americas.

    I still think the appropriate model is perhaps the Balfour Declaration, if the Govt move on this.

    I'm not very clear how this would 'destabilise the international system', when "147 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine".

    There seems some justification to go both ways.
    Hmmm, from the piece:

    Mr Shaw, who is the author of a standard legal textbook on international law, is currently representing Israel in its International Court of Justice (ICJ) case against South Africa, which argued that Israeli forces had committed genocidal acts in Gaza.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,402

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path. She isn't even the super hottest of the mega hot celeb / modelling world, but there is a market for the yes there are people in normal society who look like that.
    I distinctly remember an ad that said (in part) "Jeans from Milkman", but can't remember what it was for!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    Andy_JS said:

    "‘Trans rage’ protesters vandalise Wes Streeting’s office
    Local business owner claims this is not the first attack on Health Secretary’s constituency headquarters"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/01/trans-rage-protesters-vandalise-wes-streeting-office

    Trans Bash....oh Back...

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of Youth Demand, JSO, PA, and now Trans Bash Back is?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,929
    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
    Mind, a chunk of France, namely the Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, is actually right next to Canada, indeed closer to it than the UK is to France ...
    I have long found this curious. Is there a reason that we let the French keep these two islands when we booted them out of Quebec and Acadia?
    Apparently we didn't, but gave them back to France after the 7 Years War as a part of restoring French fishing rights. See Wikipedia.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,856
    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,394
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    Thgat's not true at all about Liverpool - the usual assumptions were made and there was shock that he turned out to be a normal bloke and there was a lot of desperate chat about PTSD as a result.

    And they didn't try to keep the alleged rape quiet - they just didn't publish any further details about the individuals. For community tensions - well they aren't wrong, are they? Their first responsibility is to keep people safe and they often provide dubious advice as a result, like telling me to not cycle on an A road even though I'm perfectly entitled to.

    It's telling that the local councillors didn't make any statements either - they are terrified of seeing their local community burnt down, and there is no doubt it's effective to wait a few days to kill the momentum of such disorder. Is that sustainable in the long term? I don't know, but I think almost all of us would make the same decision if we were in that position.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,856
    edited August 3
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,355

    Andy_JS said:

    "‘Trans rage’ protesters vandalise Wes Streeting’s office
    Local business owner claims this is not the first attack on Health Secretary’s constituency headquarters"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/01/trans-rage-protesters-vandalise-wes-streeting-office

    Trans Bash....oh Back...

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of Youth Demand, JSO, PA, and now Trans Bash Back is?
    Not dissimilar to the wife beating, EDL, football hooligans and "concerned citizens just asking questions" one.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,355

    Andy_JS said:

    "‘Trans rage’ protesters vandalise Wes Streeting’s office
    Local business owner claims this is not the first attack on Health Secretary’s constituency headquarters"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/01/trans-rage-protesters-vandalise-wes-streeting-office

    Trans Bash....oh Back...

    I wonder what the Venn diagram of Youth Demand, JSO, PA, and now Trans Bash Back is?
    Not dissimilar to the wife beating, EDL, football hooligans and "concerned citizens just asking questions" one.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,929
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sponsoring the Waterloo and City Line
    Jago Hazzard"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YKsTI1dMrU

    Dyno-Rod would be obvious (assuming they still exist)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    Thgat's not true at all about Liverpool - the usual assumptions were made and there was shock that he turned out to be a normal bloke and there was a lot of desperate chat about PTSD as a result.

    And they didn't try to keep the alleged rape quiet - they just didn't publish any further details about the individuals. For community tensions - well they aren't wrong, are they? Their first responsibility is to keep people safe and they often provide dubious advice as a result, like telling me to not cycle on an A road even though I'm perfectly entitled to.

    It's telling that the local councillors didn't make any statements either - they are terrified of seeing their local community burnt down, and there is no doubt it's effective to wait a few days to kill the momentum of such disorder. Is that sustainable in the long term? I don't know, but I think almost all of us would make the same decision if we were in that position.
    And if I was a parent in Nuneaton and I knew you were withholding crucial information - which might enable me to protect my 12 year old daughter from violent rape - then my feelings for you would be REDACTED REDACTED

    And that’s how you store up grievous trouble
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,096
    This Texas Man Gave a Brutal Speech About Trump's Future Plans
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IeFlGyE27Mc

    One minute of a speech in which President Trump's past cheating is enumerated.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,562
    edited August 3
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
    ..in China.

    Though they have their fans. I wonder in which foreign city 'Bella' resides?


  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
    ..in China.
    Branded clothes made in the Far East.

    That’s a first !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
    ..in China.
    They are missing a trick then...China is not where you make the cheapest of cheap anymore, labour costs are too expensive. Vietnam is much cheaper.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,856
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
    I would actually be trying to pass the bill from the landlady to Punch Pubs - because a pub tenancy is really them just trying to offload all their risk while retaining most of the private (yes I'm incredibly cynical about such things due to 30 years of watching how Punch and co screw their tenants)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,143
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    Looks a perfect microcosm, there - we have a small boats guy, an asylum seeker and a couple of non-working-visas-and-overstayed. Cash in hand and less than minimum wage.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,427
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    Whatever the operational decisions and ultimately the rights and wrongs of information filtration by Warwickshire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester and Essex police forces, you have a specific agenda. You are not alone in promoting that agenda. Essentially it is an anti-immigration and anti Islam propaganda narrative.

    Discussion is appropriate on here. The small boats are the biggest political issue of the moment, an issue the incumbent and previous Governments lost control of. However it is inappropriate for you to solely report these issues in terms of their (in your view) correlation with Islam.

    I wonder how many others are put off the site by the sentiments you express? I know you have your fanbois here, but blimey PB isn't a nice place to be when you get your jackboots on.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,429

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    We really are in cones hotline territory here. People doing illegal stuff most of whom aren't based in the UK aren't going to worry about putting 81 people on a boat or if they advertise on TikTok*...also I presume most of this stuff is done very services like private Telegram groups anyway (and if it wasn't before, it will be now).

    It will be about as effective as "crack downs" on drug advertising on Snapchat and TikTok...
    BBC was, this morning, hinting that the scheme would be more effective (ha!) if we were in the EU.

    Or so it seemed to me watching this morning. Another good reason for Rejoining.

    It seems to me that if we were to process people more quickly and give a lot more publicity to sending back those we reject, that those with weak or no case for asylum would be encouraged to use their money to settle somewhere else.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,394
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    Thgat's not true at all about Liverpool - the usual assumptions were made and there was shock that he turned out to be a normal bloke and there was a lot of desperate chat about PTSD as a result.

    And they didn't try to keep the alleged rape quiet - they just didn't publish any further details about the individuals. For community tensions - well they aren't wrong, are they? Their first responsibility is to keep people safe and they often provide dubious advice as a result, like telling me to not cycle on an A road even though I'm perfectly entitled to.

    It's telling that the local councillors didn't make any statements either - they are terrified of seeing their local community burnt down, and there is no doubt it's effective to wait a few days to kill the momentum of such disorder. Is that sustainable in the long term? I don't know, but I think almost all of us would make the same decision if we were in that position.
    And if I was a parent in Nuneaton and I knew you were withholding crucial information - which might enable me to protect my 12 year old daughter from violent rape - then my feelings for you would be REDACTED REDACTED

    And that’s how you store up grievous trouble
    What you're suggesting is that, before the investigation has concluded and charging decision has been made, the police simply state "a rape allegation has been made against a person who might have come across on a small boat, might be an asylum seeker (still checking tho), happened a couple of hours, off you go lads".

    Even you will understand why that approach is unsustainable. You'd have thousands of bullshit allegations by the far-right.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,929
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    If we are talking about Rudakubana, he

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path. She isn't even the super hottest of the mega hot celeb / modelling world, but there is a market for the yes there are people in normal society who look like that.
    It seems fairly clear to me that the "genes" being celebrated may be understood as the ones that make her white, rather than the ones that make her hot. So capable of misinterpretation at least.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,562

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
    ..in China.
    They are missing a trick then...China is not where you make the cheapest of cheap anymore, labour costs are too expensive. Vietnam is much cheaper.
    Don'r worry, I believe they're made in several other countries, just not the USA.
    It's obviously Mexico that puts the American in American Eagle.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,394
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
    Strict liability (£1000 fine) for customers too. The trouble is that would put a huge burden on small businesses who would have to find a way to signal that they have very good employment tests - but perhaps worth it at this stage.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,774

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    Whatever the operational decisions and ultimately the rights and wrongs of information filtration by Warwickshire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester and Essex police forces, you have a specific agenda. You are not alone in promoting that agenda. Essentially it is an anti-immigration and anti Islam propaganda narrative.

    Discussion is appropriate on here. The small boats are the biggest political issue of the moment, an issue the incumbent and previous Governments lost control of. However it is inappropriate for you to solely report these issues in terms of their (in your view) correlation with Islam.

    I wonder how many others are put off the site by the sentiments you express? I know you have your fanbois here, but blimey PB isn't a nice place to be when you get your jackboots on.
    With all due respect, you don’t get to decide whether my comments are “appropriate”. I’ll just ignore the rest of your guff. As usual
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    In other "shocking" news...

    BBC investigates ‘cocaine use’ by Strictly stars
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/03/bbc-launches-probe-into-cocaine-use-strictly-stars/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593

    Foxy said:

    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    I don't think Canada can or would join the full EU, but some sort of associate status might work, as indeed it might for us, Norway, Ukraine, Turkey etc.

    Good morning

    Our son and Canadian daughter in law live in Vancouver and I doubt they have any interest in being part of the EU

    Trump is a time limited problem and the US will come to it's senses in due course

    The EU seems a very long way away from British Columbia which of course it is
    But you will know the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border? To which the answer is Brazil, also a long way away
    Mind, a chunk of France, namely the Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, is actually right next to Canada, indeed closer to it than the UK is to France ...
    I have long found this curious. Is there a reason that we let the French keep these two islands when we booted them out of Quebec and Acadia?
    Apparently we didn't, but gave them back to France after the 7 Years War as a part of restoring French fishing rights. See Wikipedia.
    Wasn't it effectively swapped for something we wanted, which I can't remember?

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,143
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
    I generally try to avoid products that I see advertised.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,855
    Dura_Ace said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Two hours later - during which time I've sunbathed, eaten a custard tart, done an hour's hard writing, emailed several friends, and checked the refurb of my flat - and basically all you've done is talk about me

    As a narcissist, this pleases me

    As an observer of human nature, I say FFS get a life you losers and stop wanking on about someone you've never even met. You're pitifully obsessed, especially @IanB2, @kjh and @occasionalranter

    There is literally something wrong with you, and I mean that in a kind way

    I don't think you get how every one of your posts is so ironic.

    I haven't posted for 1 hr and 25 min, during which time I have been busy with a chain saw.
    You are President Javier Milei, and I claim my £5.
    @taz beat you to it. In the pub now so have put the chainsaw down. I can't be the only one on PB to wield a chainsaw and axe.
    I've just bought this. Gamechanger.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Oregon-Jolly-Professional-Chain-Sharpener/dp/B07DCZMV6G/

    I'm glad I didn't bother checking in earlier tonight. Drunk ramblings and people posting LLM produced C+Ps at each other.

    I do like a good chainsaw discussion though. Just done the HEXA chain upgrade on my MS500i and ordered a wildly dangerous bow bar from Canada.
    Chainsaw discussion - righty-ho !

    Is this the Oregan Powersharp system, or a posh and expensive sharpening machine that costs the same as 2 of my fairly posh cordless chainsaw?

    Oregan Powersharp is a different bar on the chainsaw itself, which we discussed over on Buildhub in (checks) 2017. A qualified tree man said:

    Oregon PowerSharp bar ... has a reverse bevel chain so the top of the tooth is sharpened not the curved cut as per a normal chain.

    Stick the stone on it and rev the nuts off it whilst pressing onto a sturdy log and a shower of sparks later you have a sharp chain ...

    See them on the low end stuff in the sheds now as it means Joe Public can use a sharp chain to hack his own leg off rather than spend money on PPE and a sharpening system ...


    I think you bought a sharpening system. :smile:

    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/2717-self-sharpening-chainsaws/
    It's the sharpening machine. I still do the rakers by hand and eye though as I like a lot of bite (and my saws can pull a lot of bite) and do a 0.8mm gap instead of the 0.6mm recommended by Stihl.

    I was thinking of getting a 41" bar for my MS881 and building an Alaskan sawmill to slab a giant walnut tree I've got but I need my full squad of Ukranian sappers for the project and one is away working on a cruise ship.

    On topic... Canada will not be joining the EU. As recent events have demonstrated the UK, Canada, etc. will suffer any indignity rather than emerge from subservience to the USA. It's going to take a lot more than Trump to change that situation.
    On Topic !

    For shame !!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,929
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
    Went to a new Indian restaurant in Keswick while on holiday. The food was pretty good and it wasn't expensive. The manager was an obviously British Asian, he spoke with some sort of Lancastrian accent. The staff... well their English wasn't too good and they didn't understand how we might mispronounce the menu. My guess is they were recent arrivals and I did wonder how legal they might be. I am sure you can get work permits for curry cooks, but I am not so sure about waitstaff
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path.
    I may have to check the ad out for the purposes of ‘research’ 👍
    My main takeaway is that Derek Guy (the menswear guy) https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3lvhezbrwjk2v says they are cheaply made....
    I generally try to avoid products that I see advertised.
    The really big warning signs these days if they repeatedly advertise with social media influencers / YouTubers and offer a big discount using their code....that is how Manscape can flog you a shaver for $100 that costs $10 to buy elsewhere.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,063
    edited August 3
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
    Strict liability (£1000 fine) for customers too.
    It’s hardly the customers fault but if your aim is to destroy hospitality then crack on, that’s an insane suggestion.

    You could go out for a couple of drinks in a couple of bars, have a meal, and end up 3 grand in debt through no fault of your own 😱
  • TresTres Posts: 2,977
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    Thgat's not true at all about Liverpool - the usual assumptions were made and there was shock that he turned out to be a normal bloke and there was a lot of desperate chat about PTSD as a result.

    And they didn't try to keep the alleged rape quiet - they just didn't publish any further details about the individuals. For community tensions - well they aren't wrong, are they? Their first responsibility is to keep people safe and they often provide dubious advice as a result, like telling me to not cycle on an A road even though I'm perfectly entitled to.

    It's telling that the local councillors didn't make any statements either - they are terrified of seeing their local community burnt down, and there is no doubt it's effective to wait a few days to kill the momentum of such disorder. Is that sustainable in the long term? I don't know, but I think almost all of us would make the same decision if we were in that position.
    And if I was a parent in Nuneaton and I knew you were withholding crucial information - which might enable me to protect my 12 year old daughter from violent rape - then my feelings for you would be REDACTED REDACTED

    And that’s how you store up grievous trouble
    What you're suggesting is that, before the investigation has concluded and charging decision has been made, the police simply state "a rape allegation has been made against a person who might have come across on a small boat, might be an asylum seeker (still checking tho), happened a couple of hours, off you go lads".

    Even you will understand why that approach is unsustainable. You'd have thousands of bullshit allegations by the far-right.
    Leon's just pitching a fit because he wanted another riot to entertain him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,241
    If Canada wants to join the EU, absolutely they should do it - it's for them to decide.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,509
    edited August 3

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
    Went to a new Indian restaurant in Keswick while on holiday. The food was pretty good and it wasn't expensive. The manager was an obviously British Asian, he spoke with some sort of Lancastrian accent. The staff... well their English wasn't too good and they didn't understand how we might mispronounce the menu. My guess is they were recent arrivals and I did wonder how legal they might be. I am sure you can get work permits for curry cooks, but I am not so sure about waitstaff
    Its a huge loophole that is massively abused. Many of these people then have large portions of their wages taken for food and rent. Its a total racket.

    Whenever the government attempt to restrict it there is a big outcry that they can't get the "skilled" staff in the UK, despite there being very high levels of unemployment among Bangleshi community (who run most Indian restaurants).
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,167

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    stodge said:

    All of this mess starts with the laws of Subjudice and then spread out like tentacles. We need to revisit the Bill of Right which was the Settlement of the Crown.

    I think most of the subjudice laws need to be repealed completely. As they are at the moment they can trump free speech and do, on a regular basis.

    It will be ironic if the government's attempts to restrict the right of 14 yo lads to have a wank bring their whole stinking edifice of lawfare down but whatever, it will be a good thing if it falls.

    I don't agree - there isn't a universal right for everyone to know everything about everything.

    IF a matter is in the legal process, I think it perfectly reasonable it should be kept out of the public domain pending the outcome of the legal investigation. It may surprise you but the principle of "free speech" (which seems to mean different things to different people) doesn't trump the presumption of innocence before guilt or the right of any individual to a fair trial.

    We're back to the old notion of the right to know versus the need to know.

    I certainly accept once the legal process has been completed, we should be entitled to as much information as possible about what happened, who knew and what attempts (if any, I mean, "sources", that can mean anything) were made to suppress information and, if proven, whether any further legal action is justified.

    We've seen only recently how rumour and misinformation can be used to agitate, incite and provoke so all this has to be handled carefully and just because something is written in a paper traditionally hostile to the Government and immigration doesn't mean we should accept it unconditionally.
    Perhaps the people of Nuneaton have a right to know that asylum seekers from these HMOs are - allegedly - going out and kidnapping, strangling and raping 12 year old girls? So that they can protect their kids?

    Or do they not have any rights, the people of Nuneaton?
    ... they do? It's all over the news?

    Investigations like this are difficult and sensitive and they've managed to charge the first individual less than a week after the event, and then they did a press release immediately after they charged the second individual a couple of days later.
    But we knew about the Liverpool guy within an hour or two. And the Mail explicitly says the police tried to keep it quiet for the sake of “community tensions”

    Nice try. Fail
    If we are talking about Rudakubana, he

    Taz said:

    The conclusive critique of Syd's jeans from an expert.
    Tl;dr: American Eagle jeans are shit.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1951786899884130464

    The fact people are still talking about that ad means it worked. American Eagle has always been lower tier quality apparel, but that hasn't stopped the likes of Shein crushing it with youngsters.
    That's a different conversation, ie it's great that we can sell loads of shit to the gullible.
    The righties tend to choose these battles over really terrible stuff, AE, Bud Light and, let's face it, Jags. Knock yourself out guys, they are forever your territory.
    Its not a right thing, its a terminally online thing both left and right e.g. the Guardian writing articles about how racist the jeans ad is.

    The Bud Light though went really massive because the executive openly said well yes but our current customers are all knuckle dragging morons with outdated views who we don't want drinking our beer, literally insulting the customer base of the largest beer brand in the US.
    The AE thing seems to have passed me by. It seems an actress did an ad and it’s triggered a lot of loons online. Is the ad really racist ?

    Jaguar I don’t blame them trying something different. Their cars are crap, they have a declining customer base they need to do something or put the brand out to pasture. I see it as a last roll of the dice.

    The Bud Light thing was hilarious. They Ratnered the brand for nothing.
    No. Its just a a bit of word play on hot woman is hot because of her jeans / genes. Very similar things have been used in relation to non-white hot people advertising things.

    But a proportion of the terminally online lot have a thing against Sydney Sweeney because a) she is hot white woman that is getting lots of attention, b) is unapologetic about using her hotness to advertise things (this is far from the first time she has done these kind of ads) and c) might not be far left in her politics although she stays clear of most of that stuff thus why people suspect that, instead shoots guns and stuff.

    I suspect some clever management have realised there is a big opportunity for a hot celebrity to make a lot of money that takes this path. She isn't even the super hottest of the mega hot celeb / modelling world, but there is a market for the yes there are people in normal society who look like that.
    It seems fairly clear to me that the "genes" being celebrated may be understood as the ones that make her white, rather than the ones that make her hot. So capable of misinterpretation at least.
    I presume the people complaining about her being “hot” are not hot themselves. Fat purple hairs in dungarees, probably.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,856
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Another small boats crackdown.

    It will be as effective as all the others.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2y24xjgko

    I'm looking at https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25359000.four-illegal-workers-found-oak-tree-near-darlington/ and I'm starting to think that @Malmesbury approach needs to be announced - give illegal workers a massive incentive to report themselves for illegal working as that is going to be the only way to remove the incentive for employers.

    Also from the article above - the employer really isn't that bright given the statement "She claimed that two workers have since started the process with the Home Office and are not illegally working, although this has not been confirmed."
    A local Indian Restaurant to me was done twice within 12 months and lost its license.

    Malmesburys suggestion has a lot of merit. It should be consider. Obviously it won’t be.
    Strict liability (£1000 fine) for customers too.
    It’s hardly the customers fault but if your aim is to destroy hospitality then crack on, that’s an insane suggestion.
    Well I don’t use JustEat or similar so it wouldn’t impact me and I suspect that’s the area @Eabhal is thinking about
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