All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
There are two very important splits in the UK, probably most places, those who hate others for their skin colour and those who hate those for their beliefs/ways of life.
Effectively racists v “culturalists”.
Rishi is as British as most of us here, possibly more so. Kemi too. A lot of British people will “accept” Rishi and Kemi because aspects of their background culture are so in the background but they “behave” like British people. So the same people who might hate a lot of the migrants with similar parental backgrounds give a pass.
There are those who won’t forgive Rishi and Kemi for their skin colour.
I think it’s understandable for people to fear and not like people who look “different” if they also have a very alien culture and feel they have to adapt to accommodate that culture. They do however not see that there are white “cultures” which are every bit as different to their preferred ideal white/british/ english concept of culture.
It’s not as simple as people hating migrants because of their skin colour. It’s a simplistic argument and reaction that doesn’t help solve the problem.
I’m not a fan of the “Jafaikan” culture that captured a lot of the young of the UK with the lingo, icons, attitudes etc. I don’t like those who subscribe regardless of their skin colour. I find it misogynistic and basic and want the young to look to a more aspirational and dare I say it “respectful” culture.
I would imagine that a lot of people who have irrational issues with Muslims in the UK from largely the Pakistani background wouldn’t have the same issue with Indonesian Muslims. It’s not as simple as skin colour or “the other”.
Exactly. It's not racial, it's cultural. People hardly notice skin colour. But people very much notice cultural differences. Like, for example, calling a child 'Mohammed'.
I do wonder if Rochdale would find it uncomfortable if a large slug of the population were calling their sons Jesus. Would they be classed with the American evangelical right? We naturally, culturally are suspicious of religion in the UK and so the large majority of a minority naming their sons after the top man in their religion is a bit “weird” and frankly unimaginative, like everyone calling their sons Charles after the head of the national religion would be.
A free pass is given which would be raising eyebrows if Brits were naming their children after a cult leader. Not cool when in 2567 2.9% of new borns are called David Koresh Smith.
Jesus is a fairly common first name in Spain and Latin America.
Absolutely, and it’s part of a long culture which it isn’t here. Do you think the Spanish and South Americans are easy with the concept of noticeable parts of their population being named Mohammed though? I’m betting the polling wouldn’t be positive.
We have loads of James, David’s, Edwards, Chardonnays, but when one section of society chooses a name, for very identifiably different reasons to the general culture of the country, you can surely understand why a good slug of the population feel uncomfortable? It’s sad that they are uncomfortable but if you criticise from some superior, de haut en bas, you are idiot plebs perspective then you just reinforce the belief that their concerns don’t matter which breeds division. To tar anyone feeling uncomfortable as racist is wrong and arrogant.
It really doesn't bother me at all. People don't get to choose their names, they are chosen by their parents, and it tells you nothing about how any particular Mohammad is in tune or not with British culture (not that this is homogeneous in any case).
I note that many WWC British football fans are quite keen on Mo Salah for example.
It’s the old paradox, as the Nazis found. ‘All Jews must be eliminated’. ‘I agree, but my neighbour Hans, he’s a Jew but he’s a really good guy, Iron Cross from the war and everything’. People fear the mass but befriend the individuals.
It really is about culture though. Islam dominates the lives of the faithful in a way that has vanished in a supposedly Christian country like the U.K. That, and the misogeny of many Muslims (or at least a different relative status for men and women than most in the U.K.).
It is certainly true that immigrants are viewed very differently when they are friends, neighbours and workmates than in an abstract amorphous mass as depicted by the press.
The failure of integration (where it exists-and it is obviously not universal) is as much down to people not integrating with Muslims as much as the other way. Its a two way street.
A bit like we were discussing earlier with reference to hospitality to strangers: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt" KJV Exodus 22:21
Islam - with a few rare exceptions - doesn’t do integration, you gibbering cretin
How can you “integrate” with a religion that believes it is inevitably superior, that it must always conquer, and that non Muslims shall only be suffered to exist if they pay a special tax (and really non Muslims should essentially be killed or chased away)
You can’t integrate with that, and Islam on a large scale cannot be integrated into Europe, if we want Europe to remain recognisably European. Thats it. That’s all there is to it
Everything else is cowardice and cant
Until Islam has a reformation and accepts the individual’s right to accept Islam or not the. It cannot live easily side by side in countries like the UK. If it was a confident religion then it would accept mockery and argument but it doesn’t - look at the abuse @HYUFD gets here for his Christianity and ask if anyone would extend the same acceptance here to the same level of abuse of Islam.
There won’t be an Islamic reformation. I’m reading quite heavily about Islam at the moment - Tavira is a fascinating place to do it, the Islamic heritage is visible on the housing - and the more I read the more I realise that Reformation and Enlightenment just aren’t in the Islamic toolbox
The Koran is either all true or it isn’t. The word is far more important in Islam than it ever was in Christianity
What we can maybe hope for is a decline in faith (Iran exhibits this) and yet in western and other countries Muslims seem to be getting MORE devout
The advance of technology will be a test for Islam, however
Occasionally, when I’m very bored, I try and guesstimate where Islam is on the Christianity scale based on which Century in Europe pan Christianity they are. I’m thinking probably the early thrusts of Protestantism as there are Muslim countries that are relatively secular and whilst nominally Muslim they are a bit more open - Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia etc but still the majority are a bit fiercely popish.
The Reformation is interesting, as it actually marked an increase in fundamentalism - and triggered some of the bloodiest conflicts Europe has ever known.
Is a 'reformation' actually necessary for an enlightenment ? Is there much else other than historical consensus and temporal sequence which genuinely justifies that view ?
I think it's very odd how everyone seems to think Islam is a monolithic block.
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
There are two very important splits in the UK, probably most places, those who hate others for their skin colour and those who hate those for their beliefs/ways of life.
Effectively racists v “culturalists”.
Rishi is as British as most of us here, possibly more so. Kemi too. A lot of British people will “accept” Rishi and Kemi because aspects of their background culture are so in the background but they “behave” like British people. So the same people who might hate a lot of the migrants with similar parental backgrounds give a pass.
There are those who won’t forgive Rishi and Kemi for their skin colour.
I think it’s understandable for people to fear and not like people who look “different” if they also have a very alien culture and feel they have to adapt to accommodate that culture. They do however not see that there are white “cultures” which are every bit as different to their preferred ideal white/british/ english concept of culture.
It’s not as simple as people hating migrants because of their skin colour. It’s a simplistic argument and reaction that doesn’t help solve the problem.
I’m not a fan of the “Jafaikan” culture that captured a lot of the young of the UK with the lingo, icons, attitudes etc. I don’t like those who subscribe regardless of their skin colour. I find it misogynistic and basic and want the young to look to a more aspirational and dare I say it “respectful” culture.
I would imagine that a lot of people who have irrational issues with Muslims in the UK from largely the Pakistani background wouldn’t have the same issue with Indonesian Muslims. It’s not as simple as skin colour or “the other”.
Exactly. It's not racial, it's cultural. People hardly notice skin colour. But people very much notice cultural differences. Like, for example, calling a child 'Mohammed'.
I do wonder if Rochdale would find it uncomfortable if a large slug of the population were calling their sons Jesus. Would they be classed with the American evangelical right? We naturally, culturally are suspicious of religion in the UK and so the large majority of a minority naming their sons after the top man in their religion is a bit “weird” and frankly unimaginative, like everyone calling their sons Charles after the head of the national religion would be.
A free pass is given which would be raising eyebrows if Brits were naming their children after a cult leader. Not cool when in 2567 2.9% of new borns are called David Koresh Smith.
Jesus is a fairly common first name in Spain and Latin America.
Absolutely, and it’s part of a long culture which it isn’t here. Do you think the Spanish and South Americans are easy with the concept of noticeable parts of their population being named Mohammed though? I’m betting the polling wouldn’t be positive.
We have loads of James, David’s, Edwards, Chardonnays, but when one section of society chooses a name, for very identifiably different reasons to the general culture of the country, you can surely understand why a good slug of the population feel uncomfortable? It’s sad that they are uncomfortable but if you criticise from some superior, de haut en bas, you are idiot plebs perspective then you just reinforce the belief that their concerns don’t matter which breeds division. To tar anyone feeling uncomfortable as racist is wrong and arrogant.
It really doesn't bother me at all. People don't get to choose their names, they are chosen by their parents, and it tells you nothing about how any particular Mohammad is in tune or not with British culture (not that this is homogeneous in any case).
I note that many WWC British football fans are quite keen on Mo Salah for example.
It’s the old paradox, as the Nazis found. ‘All Jews must be eliminated’. ‘I agree, but my neighbour Hans, he’s a Jew but he’s a really good guy, Iron Cross from the war and everything’. People fear the mass but befriend the individuals.
It really is about culture though. Islam dominates the lives of the faithful in a way that has vanished in a supposedly Christian country like the U.K. That, and the misogeny of many Muslims (or at least a different relative status for men and women than most in the U.K.).
It is certainly true that immigrants are viewed very differently when they are friends, neighbours and workmates than in an abstract amorphous mass as depicted by the press.
The failure of integration (where it exists-and it is obviously not universal) is as much down to people not integrating with Muslims as much as the other way. Its a two way street.
A bit like we were discussing earlier with reference to hospitality to strangers: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt" KJV Exodus 22:21
Islam - with a few rare exceptions - doesn’t do integration, you gibbering cretin
How can you “integrate” with a religion that believes it is inevitably superior, that it must always conquer, and that non Muslims shall only be suffered to exist if they pay a special tax (and really non Muslims should essentially be killed or chased away)
You can’t integrate with that, and Islam on a large scale cannot be integrated into Europe, if we want Europe to remain recognisably European. Thats it. That’s all there is to it
Everything else is cowardice and cant
Until Islam has a reformation and accepts the individual’s right to accept Islam or not the. It cannot live easily side by side in countries like the UK. If it was a confident religion then it would accept mockery and argument but it doesn’t - look at the abuse @HYUFD gets here for his Christianity and ask if anyone would extend the same acceptance here to the same level of abuse of Islam.
There won’t be an Islamic reformation. I’m reading quite heavily about Islam at the moment - Tavira is a fascinating place to do it, the Islamic heritage is visible on the housing - and the more I read the more I realise that Reformation and Enlightenment just aren’t in the Islamic toolbox
The Koran is either all true or it isn’t. The word is far more important in Islam than it ever was in Christianity
What we can maybe hope for is a decline in faith (Iran exhibits this) and yet in western and other countries Muslims seem to be getting MORE devout
The advance of technology will be a test for Islam, however
Occasionally, when I’m very bored, I try and guesstimate where Islam is on the Christianity scale based on which Century in Europe pan Christianity they are. I’m thinking probably the early thrusts of Protestantism as there are Muslim countries that are relatively secular and whilst nominally Muslim they are a bit more open - Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia etc but still the majority are a bit fiercely popish.
The Reformation is interesting, as it actually marked an increase in fundamentalism - and triggered some of the bloodiest conflicts Europe has ever known.
Is a 'reformation' actually necessary for an enlightenment ? Is there much else other than historical consensus and temporal sequence which genuinely justifies that view ?
I think it's very odd how everyone seems to think Islam is a monolithic block.
Even two will Sufis.
(OK, you try making a pun on Islam.)
Islamic puns are a load of Shi'ite. You need to maintain a Sunni outlook on life...
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
There are two very important splits in the UK, probably most places, those who hate others for their skin colour and those who hate those for their beliefs/ways of life.
Effectively racists v “culturalists”.
Rishi is as British as most of us here, possibly more so. Kemi too. A lot of British people will “accept” Rishi and Kemi because aspects of their background culture are so in the background but they “behave” like British people. So the same people who might hate a lot of the migrants with similar parental backgrounds give a pass.
There are those who won’t forgive Rishi and Kemi for their skin colour.
I think it’s understandable for people to fear and not like people who look “different” if they also have a very alien culture and feel they have to adapt to accommodate that culture. They do however not see that there are white “cultures” which are every bit as different to their preferred ideal white/british/ english concept of culture.
It’s not as simple as people hating migrants because of their skin colour. It’s a simplistic argument and reaction that doesn’t help solve the problem.
I’m not a fan of the “Jafaikan” culture that captured a lot of the young of the UK with the lingo, icons, attitudes etc. I don’t like those who subscribe regardless of their skin colour. I find it misogynistic and basic and want the young to look to a more aspirational and dare I say it “respectful” culture.
I would imagine that a lot of people who have irrational issues with Muslims in the UK from largely the Pakistani background wouldn’t have the same issue with Indonesian Muslims. It’s not as simple as skin colour or “the other”.
Sophistry. Why is Kemi decrying her heritage? Because she wants to stop being Nigerian to the racists whose votes she wants to rely on. She will fail - racists only see colour.
How is Kemi decrying her heritage, btw no big fan of hers, disclaimer not because of her skin colour?
And sophistry is also nuance. If you see everything as being about skin colour then you will only get the wrong solutions.
I don’t see anything as skin colour. The racists having conniptions because Mohammed is the number 1 boys name do.
Humour me, if all the Muslim immigrants to the UK had hypothetically been replaced with Aussies and 50 years on the most singular popular name in the UK had been “Bruce”, every fucker calling their boy Bruce and we said, this isn’t on, you are killing wonderful British names like Nigel, Alfred, Edmund. If people just thought, hang on guys, you are just unable to leave your cultural background even after 50 years here, can’t you have a bit of imagination? Would that be an issue with those bronze skinned Aussie descendants or with the fact that people might think that people aren’t integrating with the culture?
I get that there are massive whopping racists who won’t be happy until we are all as white as St George (yeah I know) but there is a legitimate fear of the other which shouldn’t be dismissed in a catch all of “racism”.
Exactly , the racist dog whistle is used all the time , helps them try to cover up the shithole state of the country and stop people pointing out their incompetence. Nice crutch for people and politicians alike.
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
There are two very important splits in the UK, probably most places, those who hate others for their skin colour and those who hate those for their beliefs/ways of life.
Effectively racists v “culturalists”.
Rishi is as British as most of us here, possibly more so. Kemi too. A lot of British people will “accept” Rishi and Kemi because aspects of their background culture are so in the background but they “behave” like British people. So the same people who might hate a lot of the migrants with similar parental backgrounds give a pass.
There are those who won’t forgive Rishi and Kemi for their skin colour.
I think it’s understandable for people to fear and not like people who look “different” if they also have a very alien culture and feel they have to adapt to accommodate that culture. They do however not see that there are white “cultures” which are every bit as different to their preferred ideal white/british/ english concept of culture.
It’s not as simple as people hating migrants because of their skin colour. It’s a simplistic argument and reaction that doesn’t help solve the problem.
I’m not a fan of the “Jafaikan” culture that captured a lot of the young of the UK with the lingo, icons, attitudes etc. I don’t like those who subscribe regardless of their skin colour. I find it misogynistic and basic and want the young to look to a more aspirational and dare I say it “respectful” culture.
I would imagine that a lot of people who have irrational issues with Muslims in the UK from largely the Pakistani background wouldn’t have the same issue with Indonesian Muslims. It’s not as simple as skin colour or “the other”.
Exactly. It's not racial, it's cultural. People hardly notice skin colour. But people very much notice cultural differences. Like, for example, calling a child 'Mohammed'.
I do wonder if Rochdale would find it uncomfortable if a large slug of the population were calling their sons Jesus. Would they be classed with the American evangelical right? We naturally, culturally are suspicious of religion in the UK and so the large majority of a minority naming their sons after the top man in their religion is a bit “weird” and frankly unimaginative, like everyone calling their sons Charles after the head of the national religion would be.
A free pass is given which would be raising eyebrows if Brits were naming their children after a cult leader. Not cool when in 2567 2.9% of new borns are called David Koresh Smith.
Jesus is a fairly common first name in Spain and Latin America.
Absolutely, and it’s part of a long culture which it isn’t here. Do you think the Spanish and South Americans are easy with the concept of noticeable parts of their population being named Mohammed though? I’m betting the polling wouldn’t be positive.
We have loads of James, David’s, Edwards, Chardonnays, but when one section of society chooses a name, for very identifiably different reasons to the general culture of the country, you can surely understand why a good slug of the population feel uncomfortable? It’s sad that they are uncomfortable but if you criticise from some superior, de haut en bas, you are idiot plebs perspective then you just reinforce the belief that their concerns don’t matter which breeds division. To tar anyone feeling uncomfortable as racist is wrong and arrogant.
It really doesn't bother me at all. People don't get to choose their names, they are chosen by their parents, and it tells you nothing about how any particular Mohammad is in tune or not with British culture (not that this is homogeneous in any case).
I note that many WWC British football fans are quite keen on Mo Salah for example.
It’s the old paradox, as the Nazis found. ‘All Jews must be eliminated’. ‘I agree, but my neighbour Hans, he’s a Jew but he’s a really good guy, Iron Cross from the war and everything’. People fear the mass but befriend the individuals.
It really is about culture though. Islam dominates the lives of the faithful in a way that has vanished in a supposedly Christian country like the U.K. That, and the misogeny of many Muslims (or at least a different relative status for men and women than most in the U.K.).
It is certainly true that immigrants are viewed very differently when they are friends, neighbours and workmates than in an abstract amorphous mass as depicted by the press.
The failure of integration (where it exists-and it is obviously not universal) is as much down to people not integrating with Muslims as much as the other way. Its a two way street.
A bit like we were discussing earlier with reference to hospitality to strangers: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt" KJV Exodus 22:21
Islam - with a few rare exceptions - doesn’t do integration, you gibbering cretin
How can you “integrate” with a religion that believes it is inevitably superior, that it must always conquer, and that non Muslims shall only be suffered to exist if they pay a special tax (and really non Muslims should essentially be killed or chased away)
You can’t integrate with that, and Islam on a large scale cannot be integrated into Europe, if we want Europe to remain recognisably European. Thats it. That’s all there is to it
Everything else is cowardice and cant
Until Islam has a reformation and accepts the individual’s right to accept Islam or not the. It cannot live easily side by side in countries like the UK. If it was a confident religion then it would accept mockery and argument but it doesn’t - look at the abuse @HYUFD gets here for his Christianity and ask if anyone would extend the same acceptance here to the same level of abuse of Islam.
There won’t be an Islamic reformation. I’m reading quite heavily about Islam at the moment - Tavira is a fascinating place to do it, the Islamic heritage is visible on the housing - and the more I read the more I realise that Reformation and Enlightenment just aren’t in the Islamic toolbox
The Koran is either all true or it isn’t. The word is far more important in Islam than it ever was in Christianity
What we can maybe hope for is a decline in faith (Iran exhibits this) and yet in western and other countries Muslims seem to be getting MORE devout
The advance of technology will be a test for Islam, however
Occasionally, when I’m very bored, I try and guesstimate where Islam is on the Christianity scale based on which Century in Europe pan Christianity they are. I’m thinking probably the early thrusts of Protestantism as there are Muslim countries that are relatively secular and whilst nominally Muslim they are a bit more open - Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia etc but still the majority are a bit fiercely popish.
The Reformation is interesting, as it actually marked an increase in fundamentalism - and triggered some of the bloodiest conflicts Europe has ever known.
Is a 'reformation' actually necessary for an enlightenment ? Is there much else other than historical consensus and temporal sequence which genuinely justifies that view ?
I think it's very odd how everyone seems to think Islam is a monolithic block.
Well you could argue that they had their own versions of a reformation very early on.
Leon is at least correct in one thing, though, in that the two religions are pretty different - there's no New Testament in Islam. That makes any historical analogies more suspect.
Though Judaism doesn't have a New Testament either, and the aspects of Christianity that ought to make us shudder did and do. Possession of the text is a lot less important than what you choose to do with that text.
Oh, I absolutely agree with that. But that's an argument that cuts both ways.
Alongside liberal enlightened Judaism, there's a strain that looks increasingly like fundamentalist Islamism, and those two sides appear to be growing further apart.
It is more than a strain. The Ultra Orthodox are the fastest growing of the Jewish sects. There are 613 laws ALL of which the Ultras will try to follow. Islam is supposed to have about 500 'laws' but they are interpreted from the text of the Koran. Lots of both are such things as how to treat your slaves and what not to do with your donkeys so have needed some shrewd reinterpretation for which both have thriving schools for just that purpose. Here are the 613 laws in the Torah. https://www.jewfaq.org/613_commandments. I believe Christianity has a rather paltry 10
Gentle reminder for those mentioning Islam and Christianity etc that it wasn't Methodists who forced a Batley Grammar School teacher into hiding for the 'sin' of blasphemy.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
We all agree with that.
And yes, it is us vs them. The racist right are trying to incite a race war. And we’re calling them out.
You are doing feck all to sort out the problems, typical politician whataboutery. The usual , look over there a squirrel. Just ignore the issues and pretend it is because everyone is a racist.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
I think people should be careful about government stats on numbers of people housed in hotels. If the building was once a hotel, but now the government has signed a long term lease where they control all of it i.e. there are no opportunities for the public to book a room, is that still a hotel? ...I am not going to be surprised if the government, with their promise to not have any people in hotels, that they figures says they are not.
If I remember correctly the "Bell Hotel" that has been at the centre of this hasn't been a functioning hotel open to the public for years.
But to the local residents they will certainly class that as people are being housed in "hotels".
More on those civil servant working class internships:
"If your parents were train drivers on £80k per year you qualify for government internships - which they now claim will be limited to just 'working class' kids.
You know what, instead of dividing and excluding (checks notes) kids who just want graduate jobs and a career against each other, why don’t we create robust hiring/intern practices that allow for equal opportunities and have due regard to social mobility? Crazy idea, I know.
They were brilliant, dodgy moustaches, naff clothes , the sweeney , beer as cheap as chips , great music , just a wonderful time to be young and carefree.
I grew my moustache in the 70s. I still have it. It’s probably still dodgy. The clothes weren’t naff, just different. Don’t miss flares, though.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
I don't think either side of this argument would disagree that governments of the last decade have done a pretty poor job of facilitating the integration of immigrants, who have arrived in historically unprecedented numbers.
It's probably true that the electoral prospects of Reform depend quite heavily on whether or not this government does a better job of addressing all that. Just being a bit less incompetent than the last lot won't be sufficient.
I agree, Starmer and labour had a golden opportunity with their landslide win but sadly have only succeeded in making terribly decisions, especially on the economy, creating disenchantment and cynism throughout the populace
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
I don't think either side of this argument would disagree that governments of the last decade have done a pretty poor job of facilitating the integration of immigrants, who have arrived in historically unprecedented numbers.
It's probably true that the electoral prospects of Reform depend quite heavily on whether or not this government does a better job of addressing all that. Just being a bit less incompetent than the last lot won't be sufficient.
I agree, Starmer and labour had a golden opportunity with their landslide win but sadly have only succeeded in making terribly decisions, especially on the economy, creating disenchantment and cynism throughout the populace
Agreed. If they had engendered a positive vision, we wouldn’t be focusing on small boats and childrens names.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
Absolutely! It’s honestly astounding how these blithering idiot racists parade their racist stupidity like it’s some kind of national treasure. The sheer density of their moronic racist takes is a public health hazard. I mean, if being a racist fool were an Olympic sport, these thick-skulled racist patriots would sweep the podium—chanting the anthem with all the pride of a clueless racist bigot.
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
The British Red Cross is paying for hundreds of families to come to the UK to be reunited with migrants granted asylum, despite growing concerns over housing shortages. The charity locates, advises and funds the travel costs of up to 1,000 family members a year to come from abroad to join people who have been granted refugee status
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
There are two very important splits in the UK, probably most places, those who hate others for their skin colour and those who hate those for their beliefs/ways of life.
Effectively racists v “culturalists”.
Rishi is as British as most of us here, possibly more so. Kemi too. A lot of British people will “accept” Rishi and Kemi because aspects of their background culture are so in the background but they “behave” like British people. So the same people who might hate a lot of the migrants with similar parental backgrounds give a pass.
There are those who won’t forgive Rishi and Kemi for their skin colour.
I think it’s understandable for people to fear and not like people who look “different” if they also have a very alien culture and feel they have to adapt to accommodate that culture. They do however not see that there are white “cultures” which are every bit as different to their preferred ideal white/british/ english concept of culture.
It’s not as simple as people hating migrants because of their skin colour. It’s a simplistic argument and reaction that doesn’t help solve the problem.
I’m not a fan of the “Jafaikan” culture that captured a lot of the young of the UK with the lingo, icons, attitudes etc. I don’t like those who subscribe regardless of their skin colour. I find it misogynistic and basic and want the young to look to a more aspirational and dare I say it “respectful” culture.
I would imagine that a lot of people who have irrational issues with Muslims in the UK from largely the Pakistani background wouldn’t have the same issue with Indonesian Muslims. It’s not as simple as skin colour or “the other”.
Exactly. It's not racial, it's cultural. People hardly notice skin colour. But people very much notice cultural differences. Like, for example, calling a child 'Mohammed'.
I do wonder if Rochdale would find it uncomfortable if a large slug of the population were calling their sons Jesus. Would they be classed with the American evangelical right? We naturally, culturally are suspicious of religion in the UK and so the large majority of a minority naming their sons after the top man in their religion is a bit “weird” and frankly unimaginative, like everyone calling their sons Charles after the head of the national religion would be.
A free pass is given which would be raising eyebrows if Brits were naming their children after a cult leader. Not cool when in 2567 2.9% of new borns are called David Koresh Smith.
Jesus is a fairly common first name in Spain and Latin America.
Absolutely, and it’s part of a long culture which it isn’t here. Do you think the Spanish and South Americans are easy with the concept of noticeable parts of their population being named Mohammed though? I’m betting the polling wouldn’t be positive.
We have loads of James, David’s, Edwards, Chardonnays, but when one section of society chooses a name, for very identifiably different reasons to the general culture of the country, you can surely understand why a good slug of the population feel uncomfortable? It’s sad that they are uncomfortable but if you criticise from some superior, de haut en bas, you are idiot plebs perspective then you just reinforce the belief that their concerns don’t matter which breeds division. To tar anyone feeling uncomfortable as racist is wrong and arrogant.
It really doesn't bother me at all. People don't get to choose their names, they are chosen by their parents, and it tells you nothing about how any particular Mohammad is in tune or not with British culture (not that this is homogeneous in any case).
I note that many WWC British football fans are quite keen on Mo Salah for example.
It’s the old paradox, as the Nazis found. ‘All Jews must be eliminated’. ‘I agree, but my neighbour Hans, he’s a Jew but he’s a really good guy, Iron Cross from the war and everything’. People fear the mass but befriend the individuals.
It really is about culture though. Islam dominates the lives of the faithful in a way that has vanished in a supposedly Christian country like the U.K. That, and the misogeny of many Muslims (or at least a different relative status for men and women than most in the U.K.).
It is certainly true that immigrants are viewed very differently when they are friends, neighbours and workmates than in an abstract amorphous mass as depicted by the press.
The failure of integration (where it exists-and it is obviously not universal) is as much down to people not integrating with Muslims as much as the other way. Its a two way street.
A bit like we were discussing earlier with reference to hospitality to strangers: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt" KJV Exodus 22:21
Islam - with a few rare exceptions - doesn’t do integration, you gibbering cretin
How can you “integrate” with a religion that believes it is inevitably superior, that it must always conquer, and that non Muslims shall only be suffered to exist if they pay a special tax (and really non Muslims should essentially be killed or chased away)
You can’t integrate with that, and Islam on a large scale cannot be integrated into Europe, if we want Europe to remain recognisably European. Thats it. That’s all there is to it
Everything else is cowardice and cant
Until Islam has a reformation and accepts the individual’s right to accept Islam or not the. It cannot live easily side by side in countries like the UK. If it was a confident religion then it would accept mockery and argument but it doesn’t - look at the abuse @HYUFD gets here for his Christianity and ask if anyone would extend the same acceptance here to the same level of abuse of Islam.
There won’t be an Islamic reformation. I’m reading quite heavily about Islam at the moment - Tavira is a fascinating place to do it, the Islamic heritage is visible on the housing - and the more I read the more I realise that Reformation and Enlightenment just aren’t in the Islamic toolbox
The Koran is either all true or it isn’t. The word is far more important in Islam than it ever was in Christianity
What we can maybe hope for is a decline in faith (Iran exhibits this) and yet in western and other countries Muslims seem to be getting MORE devout
The advance of technology will be a test for Islam, however
Occasionally, when I’m very bored, I try and guesstimate where Islam is on the Christianity scale based on which Century in Europe pan Christianity they are. I’m thinking probably the early thrusts of Protestantism as there are Muslim countries that are relatively secular and whilst nominally Muslim they are a bit more open - Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia etc but still the majority are a bit fiercely popish.
The Reformation is interesting, as it actually marked an increase in fundamentalism - and triggered some of the bloodiest conflicts Europe has ever known.
Is a 'reformation' actually necessary for an enlightenment ? Is there much else other than historical consensus and temporal sequence which genuinely justifies that view ?
I think it's very odd how everyone seems to think Islam is a monolithic block.
Even two will Sufis.
(OK, you try making a pun on Islam.)
Islamic puns are a load of Shi'ite. You need to maintain a Sunni outlook on life...
Yes, but tangential to the original point. I was trying for something where you would say, 'Cor, an original pun on Islam.'
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
I don't think either side of this argument would disagree that governments of the last decade have done a pretty poor job of facilitating the integration of immigrants, who have arrived in historically unprecedented numbers.
It's probably true that the electoral prospects of Reform depend quite heavily on whether or not this government does a better job of addressing all that. Just being a bit less incompetent than the last lot won't be sufficient.
I agree, Starmer and labour had a golden opportunity with their landslide win but sadly have only succeeded in making terribly decisions, especially on the economy, creating disenchantment and cynism throughout the populace
Do you play chess, BigG?
There's a term zugzwang, where a player is put in a position where every possible move loses. That was pretty much the situation that the new government inherited in 2024. Hunt's fiscal projections were a fantasy, serious tax rises were electoral poison, there really aren't further acceptable spending cuts to make. Indeed, public sector pay needed a hefty boost to make recruitment and retention work.
A fair bit of that was deliberate salting of the ground by Sunak and Hunt, the opposite of what Ken Clarke did as Chancellor. Patriotic Conservatives always used to believe in leaving a good inheritance for their successors.
It may give you comfort to put all the blame on a party you didn't vote for, but quite a bit is the responsibility of the politicians you supported and still support.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
We all agree with that.
And yes, it is us vs them. The racist right are trying to incite a race war. And we’re calling them out.
You are doing feck all to sort out the problems, typical politician whataboutery. The usual , look over there a squirrel. Just ignore the issues and pretend it is because everyone is a racist.
Morning, malcolm. I've missed your cheerful benevolence.
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
It’s an American crypto currency exchange. They want people to be fearful of the financial system, so that they put their money in crypto. Sold by Coinbase.
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
It’s an American crypto currency exchange. They want people to be fearful of the financial system, so that they put their money in crypto. Sold by Coinbase.
I am well aware of it. It quite funny though.
It is interesting that crypto was supposed to be this asset that is detached from trad financial system, but every time Trump opens his mouth the price shifts massively. Tariffs on, price down, tariffs off, price up.
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
It’s an American crypto currency exchange. They want people to be fearful of the financial system, so that they put their money in crypto. Sold by Coinbase.
I am well aware of it. It quite funny though.
Then you see the wreckage left by crypto. It’s very much a system where you need losers to feed the winner. The winners being the exchanges and the currency owners, usually.
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
I say bollox to that , it comes down to illegal immigrants swanning in here in taxi boats , put up in 4 * hotels, laptops, pocket money , phones , priority housing , etc etc all paid by people who have the square root of feck all after toiling all week. Aided and abetted by weak wishy washy pocket filling arseholes of politicians.
It's great to see that there are still some proper liberal voices on PB. Keep it up, Malcolm.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
We all agree with that.
And yes, it is us vs them. The racist right are trying to incite a race war. And we’re calling them out.
The conclusion that will be drawn isn't the one you'd want: it will be that every liberal needs to be expunged from power if there is to be any hope of border control.
If you want to change that, you need to have your own solution or be willing to die in a ditch over open borders, if that's what you really believe in, and risk being heavily outvoted.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
Absolutely! It’s honestly astounding how these blithering idiot racists parade their racist stupidity like it’s some kind of national treasure. The sheer density of their moronic racist takes is a public health hazard. I mean, if being a racist fool were an Olympic sport, these thick-skulled racist patriots would sweep the podium—chanting the anthem with all the pride of a clueless racist bigot.
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
Quite a few of the densest specimens have adopted the American Nazi thing of tattooing actual Nazi symbology on themselves.
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
It’s an American crypto currency exchange. They want people to be fearful of the financial system, so that they put their money in crypto. Sold by Coinbase.
I am well aware of it. It quite funny though.
Then you see the wreckage left by crypto. It’s very much a system where you need losers to feed the winner. The winners being the exchanges and the currency owners, usually.
There are few, if any, legitimate use cases for crypto. Financial services are regulated for reasons. The use of crypto is also unregulated, also for reasons.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
Absolutely! It’s honestly astounding how these blithering idiot racists parade their racist stupidity like it’s some kind of national treasure. The sheer density of their moronic racist takes is a public health hazard. I mean, if being a racist fool were an Olympic sport, these thick-skulled racist patriots would sweep the podium—chanting the anthem with all the pride of a clueless racist bigot.
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
Give Leon a break. He's not the only racist here just the worst
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
It’s an American crypto currency exchange. They want people to be fearful of the financial system, so that they put their money in crypto. Sold by Coinbase.
I am well aware of it. It quite funny though.
It is interesting that crypto was supposed to be this asset that is detached from trad financial system, but every time Trump opens his mouth the price shifts massively. Tariffs on, price down, tariffs off, price up.
Pump-and-dump doesn’t work well in a stable market.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
Absolutely! It’s honestly astounding how these blithering idiot racists parade their racist stupidity like it’s some kind of national treasure. The sheer density of their moronic racist takes is a public health hazard. I mean, if being a racist fool were an Olympic sport, these thick-skulled racist patriots would sweep the podium—chanting the anthem with all the pride of a clueless racist bigot.
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
Oh absolutely, ABSOLUTELY. The sheer Chernobyl-grade radiation of racist brain rot leaking out of these patri-idiots could power a small principality of ignorance for a thousand years. We’re not just witnessing a confected crisis anymore, darling - we’re wading through a fondue fountain of weaponised delusion stirred with a stick of jingoistic butter and seasoned with the racist tears of colonial ghosts. By racists
Honestly, it’s not a public racist health hazard anymore. It’s a full-blown zombie plague of cretinous racial panic. If stupidity were a fuel source, these racists have already solved the energy crisis and @RochdalePioneers could plug his favourite racist Teslas made by his racist trillionaire hero Elon “racist” Musk into a special racist “racist” charging station for racists
Let them tattoo their racist slogans on their bulging racist foreheads - in racist Comic Sans. Ideally while live-streaming it to their four remaining racist Facebook friends, one of whom is a Russian racist-bot and the other three are just their own racist burner accounts with extra racist programming
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
I don't think either side of this argument would disagree that governments of the last decade have done a pretty poor job of facilitating the integration of immigrants, who have arrived in historically unprecedented numbers.
It's probably true that the electoral prospects of Reform depend quite heavily on whether or not this government does a better job of addressing all that. Just being a bit less incompetent than the last lot won't be sufficient.
I agree, Starmer and labour had a golden opportunity with their landslide win but sadly have only succeeded in making terribly decisions, especially on the economy, creating disenchantment and cynism throughout the populace
Agreed. If they had engendered a positive vision, we wouldn’t be focusing on small boats and childrens names.
"Change" is a funny old thing - it's a useful mantra but in the end you have to quantify it.
Let's be fair - the Conservatives were, to use an old term, a busted flush long before July 2024 (much as they were under very different economic circumstances by early 1997).
Starmer could, I suppose, have been more positive in his "vision" but it's dangerous to mix change with reality and I knew, and if I knew, he would also have known, the party was over and the bill was on the table and we needed to pay up. The Conservatives had done a "dine and dash" and left Labour and us with the result.
It's easy to tell voters the truth when it's a positive truth but if the truth is something most people won't want to hear it's easier not to say it.
The problem with the "boats" (which has now become symbolic for the whole debate about immigration, culture and national identity) is no one had any answers beyond slogans then and no one has any answers beyond slogans now.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
Good morning
This is still them v us when my view is we stop the boats, return those who should not be here, deal forcefully with anyone who abuses children and integrate with each other with less intolerance on all sides
We all agree with that.
And yes, it is us vs them. The racist right are trying to incite a race war. And we’re calling them out.
Not as much of that going on here as one would have hoped.
However after a year of immigration chaos perhaps we need Boris Johnson back. Remember he got all the big calls right.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
Absolutely! It’s honestly astounding how these blithering idiot racists parade their racist stupidity like it’s some kind of national treasure. The sheer density of their moronic racist takes is a public health hazard. I mean, if being a racist fool were an Olympic sport, these thick-skulled racist patriots would sweep the podium—chanting the anthem with all the pride of a clueless racist bigot.
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
Give Leon a break. He's not the only racist here just the worst
The fact you’re too dumb to get the joke is a delicious start to the morning. So thankyou
Were we talking about "nothing will be done until 3 people have been killed".
Here's another one, at a place called Plusha in Cornwall. 3 killed since 2015.
Right turns across the A30, and also out across and into the other side; it is a 70mph limit dual carriageway at that point. There's a big petrol station/halt on one side, so a lot of turning traffic I assume.
There's a bit of self-serving nonsense: "Amelia Collins had been travelling at 70mph along the A30 and said: "I did not see her pull out. I could not have done anything to avoid the collision."
Dear, there's half a mile of a lot of bloody great signs showing how complex the junction is and what is there; you could have slowed down to 40 or 50mph which would have cut your kinetic energy by 1/2 to 2/3 . And even a "downhill, turning vehicles, reduce speed" one. You chose to drive at an inappropriate speed through potential traffic predictably crossing in both directions, when the consequences could have been mitigated. All exasperated by the turning driver being 79. (Personally, I suggest it is careless or reckless, bit not enough intention for dangerous.)
That's very similar to the problematic junctions on the A9, particularly Aviemore. I always slow down for them given their brutal history. I've witnessed 8 German motorcyclists going through wrong way coming out of the Ralia junction.
Anyway, it would simple just to pop a 40mph limit on them, or one of those "8 fatalities in last 10 years" signs up. I have no idea why they don't, and it's self-regulating anyway because of the average speed cameras.
It would be simple - but it probably won't happen, due to built up layers of establishment and assumptions, and evaluation criteria - it will "must maintain the flow", and an evaluation based on a flawed model ! Current proposal is apparently to stop up the outgoing right turn - no mention of speeds on the trunk road. It's reactive culture, not proactive safety. Per the article:
Assistant coroner Emma Hillson heard between 2015 and 2024 there had been 22 crashes leading to three deaths, nine serious injuries and a total of 54 casualties at the junction.
Miss Hillson said the majority of the collisions had involved the same manoeuvre turning right from the B3257 on to the Launceston-bound A30 carriageway.
I used to have one like that, that went in the 1990s, but only when enough injuries and deaths had happened.
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
There are two very important splits in the UK, probably most places, those who hate others for their skin colour and those who hate those for their beliefs/ways of life.
Effectively racists v “culturalists”.
Rishi is as British as most of us here, possibly more so. Kemi too. A lot of British people will “accept” Rishi and Kemi because aspects of their background culture are so in the background but they “behave” like British people. So the same people who might hate a lot of the migrants with similar parental backgrounds give a pass.
There are those who won’t forgive Rishi and Kemi for their skin colour.
I think it’s understandable for people to fear and not like people who look “different” if they also have a very alien culture and feel they have to adapt to accommodate that culture. They do however not see that there are white “cultures” which are every bit as different to their preferred ideal white/british/ english concept of culture.
It’s not as simple as people hating migrants because of their skin colour. It’s a simplistic argument and reaction that doesn’t help solve the problem.
I’m not a fan of the “Jafaikan” culture that captured a lot of the young of the UK with the lingo, icons, attitudes etc. I don’t like those who subscribe regardless of their skin colour. I find it misogynistic and basic and want the young to look to a more aspirational and dare I say it “respectful” culture.
I would imagine that a lot of people who have irrational issues with Muslims in the UK from largely the Pakistani background wouldn’t have the same issue with Indonesian Muslims. It’s not as simple as skin colour or “the other”.
Exactly. It's not racial, it's cultural. People hardly notice skin colour. But people very much notice cultural differences. Like, for example, calling a child 'Mohammed'.
I do wonder if Rochdale would find it uncomfortable if a large slug of the population were calling their sons Jesus. Would they be classed with the American evangelical right? We naturally, culturally are suspicious of religion in the UK and so the large majority of a minority naming their sons after the top man in their religion is a bit “weird” and frankly unimaginative, like everyone calling their sons Charles after the head of the national religion would be.
A free pass is given which would be raising eyebrows if Brits were naming their children after a cult leader. Not cool when in 2567 2.9% of new borns are called David Koresh Smith.
Jesus is a fairly common first name in Spain and Latin America.
Absolutely, and it’s part of a long culture which it isn’t here. Do you think the Spanish and South Americans are easy with the concept of noticeable parts of their population being named Mohammed though? I’m betting the polling wouldn’t be positive.
We have loads of James, David’s, Edwards, Chardonnays, but when one section of society chooses a name, for very identifiably different reasons to the general culture of the country, you can surely understand why a good slug of the population feel uncomfortable? It’s sad that they are uncomfortable but if you criticise from some superior, de haut en bas, you are idiot plebs perspective then you just reinforce the belief that their concerns don’t matter which breeds division. To tar anyone feeling uncomfortable as racist is wrong and arrogant.
It really doesn't bother me at all. People don't get to choose their names, they are chosen by their parents, and it tells you nothing about how any particular Mohammad is in tune or not with British culture (not that this is homogeneous in any case).
I note that many WWC British football fans are quite keen on Mo Salah for example.
It’s the old paradox, as the Nazis found. ‘All Jews must be eliminated’. ‘I agree, but my neighbour Hans, he’s a Jew but he’s a really good guy, Iron Cross from the war and everything’. People fear the mass but befriend the individuals.
It really is about culture though. Islam dominates the lives of the faithful in a way that has vanished in a supposedly Christian country like the U.K. That, and the misogeny of many Muslims (or at least a different relative status for men and women than most in the U.K.).
It is certainly true that immigrants are viewed very differently when they are friends, neighbours and workmates than in an abstract amorphous mass as depicted by the press.
The failure of integration (where it exists-and it is obviously not universal) is as much down to people not integrating with Muslims as much as the other way. Its a two way street.
A bit like we were discussing earlier with reference to hospitality to strangers: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt" KJV Exodus 22:21
Islam - with a few rare exceptions - doesn’t do integration, you gibbering cretin
How can you “integrate” with a religion that believes it is inevitably superior, that it must always conquer, and that non Muslims shall only be suffered to exist if they pay a special tax (and really non Muslims should essentially be killed or chased away)
You can’t integrate with that, and Islam on a large scale cannot be integrated into Europe, if we want Europe to remain recognisably European. Thats it. That’s all there is to it
Everything else is cowardice and cant
Until Islam has a reformation and accepts the individual’s right to accept Islam or not the. It cannot live easily side by side in countries like the UK. If it was a confident religion then it would accept mockery and argument but it doesn’t - look at the abuse @HYUFD gets here for his Christianity and ask if anyone would extend the same acceptance here to the same level of abuse of Islam.
There won’t be an Islamic reformation. I’m reading quite heavily about Islam at the moment - Tavira is a fascinating place to do it, the Islamic heritage is visible on the housing - and the more I read the more I realise that Reformation and Enlightenment just aren’t in the Islamic toolbox
The Koran is either all true or it isn’t. The word is far more important in Islam than it ever was in Christianity
What we can maybe hope for is a decline in faith (Iran exhibits this) and yet in western and other countries Muslims seem to be getting MORE devout
The advance of technology will be a test for Islam, however
Occasionally, when I’m very bored, I try and guesstimate where Islam is on the Christianity scale based on which Century in Europe pan Christianity they are. I’m thinking probably the early thrusts of Protestantism as there are Muslim countries that are relatively secular and whilst nominally Muslim they are a bit more open - Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia etc but still the majority are a bit fiercely popish.
The Reformation is interesting, as it actually marked an increase in fundamentalism - and triggered some of the bloodiest conflicts Europe has ever known.
Is a 'reformation' actually necessary for an enlightenment ? Is there much else other than historical consensus and temporal sequence which genuinely justifies that view ?
I think it's very odd how everyone seems to think Islam is a monolithic block.
Even two will Sufis.
(OK, you try making a pun on Islam.)
Islamic puns are a load of Shi'ite. You need to maintain a Sunni outlook on life...
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
That has nothing to do with it. There weren't any asylum hotels when you were growing up. You claimed that any objections to asylum hotels were purely colour prejudice, so it's reasonable to ask where your nearest one is. So where is it?
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
I say bollox to that , it comes down to illegal immigrants swanning in here in taxi boats , put up in 4 * hotels, laptops, pocket money , phones , priority housing , etc etc all paid by people who have the square root of feck all after toiling all week. Aided and abetted by weak wishy washy pocket filling arseholes of politicians.
have you ever thought about inhabiting the real world rather than swallowing whole all the rubbish you read in your scarepapers?
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
I say bollox to that , it comes down to illegal immigrants swanning in here in taxi boats , put up in 4 * hotels, laptops, pocket money , phones , priority housing , etc etc all paid by people who have the square root of feck all after toiling all week. Aided and abetted by weak wishy washy pocket filling arseholes of politicians.
have you ever thought about inhabiting the real world rather than swallowing whole all the rubbish you read in your scarepapers?
He needs to spend more time on PB where the real world is truly echoed in the views we have here.
Last thread another tedious discussion on race with people, impressively, adding profanities to posts to show their worthiness. A debate which, at its core, has the view that if you are not happy clappy with mass inward migration you are the next Tommy Robinson.
A debate where you can, however, be prejudiced against working class communities in parading your virtue.
They were brilliant, dodgy moustaches, naff clothes , the sweeney , beer as cheap as chips , great music , just a wonderful time to be young and carefree.
I grew my moustache in the 70s. I still have it. It’s probably still dodgy. The clothes weren’t naff, just different. Don’t miss flares, though.
All credit to those posters calling out the racists, though.
The confected “crisis” with migrants in hotels. It all comes down to skin colour. The confected crisis with Mohammed being the most popular boys name. It all comes down to skin colour.
I say bollox to that , it comes down to illegal immigrants swanning in here in taxi boats , put up in 4 * hotels, laptops, pocket money , phones , priority housing , etc etc all paid by people who have the square root of feck all after toiling all week. Aided and abetted by weak wishy washy pocket filling arseholes of politicians.
have you ever thought about inhabiting the real world rather than swallowing whole all the rubbish you read in your scarepapers?
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
That has nothing to do with it. There weren't any asylum hotels when you were growing up. You claimed that any objections to asylum hotels were purely colour prejudice, so it's reasonable to ask where your nearest one is. So where is it?
Next he will be telling us transwomen are real women. Pathetic generalising on his part, it is patently obvious that may immigrants do not integrate whilst many do. Does not hide the fact that far too many illegal and legal are coming in far too quick and the country is swamped. Treating them all with kid gloves and largesse is not working and high time politician's woke up and smelt the coffee, a proper immigration regime is needed, a free for all with free everything is going to cause major issues and these dumbo's do not care or don't want to see it as long as they can have their righteous indignation and shout "racist" at every cut and turn rather than admit the issue.
Some of the excuses for the racism and displays of moronity have been interesting.
We have a demographic problem in our country - not enough babies. The solution to one small part of the population having slightly more babies than the majority is not pitchforked mobs - it’s to have more babies.
As for “where is my nearest asylum hostel”. Growing up in Rochdale - which like Foxy’s Leicester has a very sizable Asian population - did give me an understanding of all of this.
Best comment was Leon claiming that Muslims do not integrate. Anyone want to tell TSE?
People really do need to to choose a side. Are they on the side of the racism thick as mince yobs? Ot the side of reason?
On the reason side we want to reduce the boat crossings to zero and stop the idiot use of hotels to store people. On the pig ignorant racist scum side the latest FUKer MP suggestion is tents on a disused airbase. But last time disused airbases were suggested by the Tory government actual Tory ministers with the airbase in their patch went mad.
Apparently they don’t want the fuzzy wussies there whether they are in tents or anything. And certainly don’t want the “they’re not from round here” rent a mob pig ignorant racists who aren’t from round there bussed in.
The number of asylum seekers accommodated in hotels was substantially down in the latest figures at 32 345 from a peak of over 50 000 under the last government.
These are a few months old so will have changed, but it is a demonstration of the government's poor communication strategy that such a drop barely features in the news.
Indeed. I prefaced my original post by describing the “confected crisis” and was jumped on. But it is confected, and the stats prove it.
I just wish that racists would accept they are racists. What makes me actually giggle is that the thick racism morons on X all bang on about patriotism like they are supposedly the standard we’re supposed to be protecting.
Absolutely! It’s honestly astounding how these blithering idiot racists parade their racist stupidity like it’s some kind of national treasure. The sheer density of their moronic racist takes is a public health hazard. I mean, if being a racist fool were an Olympic sport, these thick-skulled racist patriots would sweep the podium—chanting the anthem with all the pride of a clueless racist bigot.
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
Give Leon a break. He's not the only racist here just the worst
The fact you’re too dumb to get the joke is a delicious start to the morning. So thankyou
The wokies are so up their own arses they cannot relate to anything other than feeble shouts of "Racist".
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(OK, you try making a pun on Islam.)
Gentle reminder for those mentioning Islam and Christianity etc that it wasn't Methodists who forced a Batley Grammar School teacher into hiding for the 'sin' of blasphemy.
If I remember correctly the "Bell Hotel" that has been at the centre of this hasn't been a functioning hotel open to the public for years.
But to the local residents they will certainly class that as people are being housed in "hotels".
If everything is fine, then don’t change anything at all. But when the financial system isn’t working for so many people in the UK, it needs to be updated.
https://x.com/coinbase/status/1950843893240496564
It’s not just a confected crisis—it’s a gourmet five-course meal of manufactured hysteria served by the Michelin-starred chefs of racist ignorance. I say let the racist idiots own their racisr idiocy. Tattoo it on your forehead, fellas. We see you. Loud, stupid, and unironically proud. Racists.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/02/red-cross-flies-migrants-families-britain/
There's a term zugzwang, where a player is put in a position where every possible move loses. That was pretty much the situation that the new government inherited in 2024. Hunt's fiscal projections were a fantasy, serious tax rises were electoral poison, there really aren't further acceptable spending cuts to make. Indeed, public sector pay needed a hefty boost to make recruitment and retention work.
A fair bit of that was deliberate salting of the ground by Sunak and Hunt, the opposite of what Ken Clarke did as Chancellor. Patriotic Conservatives always used to believe in leaving a good inheritance for their successors.
It may give you comfort to put all the blame on a party you didn't vote for, but quite a bit is the responsibility of the politicians you supported and still support.
I've missed your cheerful benevolence.
It’s an American crypto currency exchange. They want people to be fearful of the financial system, so that they put their money in crypto. Sold by Coinbase.
It is interesting that crypto was supposed to be this asset that is detached from trad financial system, but every time Trump opens his mouth the price shifts massively. Tariffs on, price down, tariffs off, price up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24zn80ng44o
If you want to change that, you need to have your own solution or be willing to die in a ditch over open borders, if that's what you really believe in, and risk being heavily outvoted.
Honestly, it’s not a public racist health hazard anymore. It’s a full-blown zombie plague of cretinous racial panic. If stupidity were a fuel source, these racists have already solved the energy crisis and @RochdalePioneers could plug his favourite racist Teslas made by his racist trillionaire hero Elon “racist” Musk into a special racist “racist” charging station for racists
Let them tattoo their racist slogans on their bulging racist foreheads - in racist Comic Sans. Ideally while live-streaming it to their four remaining racist Facebook friends, one of whom is a Russian racist-bot and the other three are just their own racist burner accounts with extra racist programming
Racists
Let's be fair - the Conservatives were, to use an old term, a busted flush long before July 2024 (much as they were under very different economic circumstances by early 1997).
Starmer could, I suppose, have been more positive in his "vision" but it's dangerous to mix change with reality and I knew, and if I knew, he would also have known, the party was over and the bill was on the table and we needed to pay up. The Conservatives had done a "dine and dash" and left Labour and us with the result.
It's easy to tell voters the truth when it's a positive truth but if the truth is something most people won't want to hear it's easier not to say it.
The problem with the "boats" (which has now become symbolic for the whole debate about immigration, culture and national identity) is no one had any answers beyond slogans then and no one has any answers beyond slogans now.
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However after a year of immigration chaos perhaps we need Boris Johnson back. Remember he got all the big calls right.
Assistant coroner Emma Hillson heard between 2015 and 2024 there had been 22 crashes leading to three deaths, nine serious injuries and a total of 54 casualties at the junction.
Miss Hillson said the majority of the collisions had involved the same manoeuvre turning right from the B3257 on to the Launceston-bound A30 carriageway.
I used to have one like that, that went in the 1990s, but only when enough injuries and deaths had happened.
Last thread another tedious discussion on race with people, impressively, adding profanities to posts to show their worthiness. A debate which, at its core, has the view that if you are not happy clappy with mass inward migration you are the next Tommy Robinson.
A debate where you can, however, be prejudiced against working class communities in parading your virtue.
That real world ?
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