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  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,403
    Sean_F said:

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    Create your own system.

    For example (and this is not mine) take a long poem like Tennyson’s Revenge, rank your systems alphabetically and use the first letter of each word in the corresponding line.

    It means you just need to remember the poem…
    What drives me mad is "Prove you are not a robot", followed by endless photos of fire hydrants, bicycles, and traffic lights.
    The dotted captcha letters are worse…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,824
    On security

    Bruce Schneier said that a good system makes doing the right thing the easiest option and doing bad things close to impossible.

    Creating new password all the time leads to MySpecialPassword01, MySpecialPassword02 etc. Rotating passwords lots doesn't really increase security.

    Password lockers are as much a symptom of the problem as a solution.

    2FA or even 3FA is a possible solution - but depends on implementation.

    Segmenting access, even for an individual is important.

    As is encrypting and backing up data. Having a completely encrypted database(s) is a not uncommon setup now - look at the contents and you just see random data.

    Something that is often overlooked is infrastructure - there is lots of special setups, obscure scripts etc that make complex systems work. At the British Library, the attackers targeted this - trashing the infrastructure. They are still rebuilding.

    Backup your infrastructure settings.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    Ah, yes, will the eye-test feature in Leon's treatise on political lies?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    edited July 21

    Sean_F said:

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    Create your own system.

    For example (and this is not mine) take a long poem like Tennyson’s Revenge, rank your systems alphabetically and use the first letter of each word in the corresponding line.

    It means you just need to remember the poem…
    What drives me mad is "Prove you are not a robot", followed by endless photos of fire hydrants, bicycles, and traffic lights.
    The dotted captcha letters are worse…
    The worst one are these rotate the shape so that it matches the orientation of another shape. It will again be more labelling of training data for ML, but they are really really picky about getting the angle correct. I am now doing spatial reasoning found on IQ tests just to access a website.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,364
    edited July 21

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    It’s not just a government problem. This is also private sector, good companies keep their top management, the f##ks up lose their jobs and then seem to get hired by other companies who are can't get the good people. See the Farage debanking scandal, Howard Davies serial f##k up but was still in a top role and Alison Rose quickly got two big jobs since been dismissed.
    And in education. I was told yesterday that one person who was fired as CEO of an academy chain for sexual misconduct who has just been hired by another academy chain.

    That’s outrageous but it seems some people just fail upwards.

    (It’s not even as though he was any bloody good. It wouldn’t make it OK if he was, but it would at least make it understandable.)

    Edit - we also discussed the egregious case of Matt Wrack late of the FBU and now of NASUWT the other day.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,403

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    Create your own system.

    For example (and this is not mine) take a long poem like Tennyson’s Revenge, rank your systems alphabetically and use the first letter of each word in the corresponding line.

    It means you just need to remember the poem…
    This is peak pb
    Tedious narrative poetry harking back to the glory days of Britain?

    Yes, I can see that 😂
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,364

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    Create your own system.

    For example (and this is not mine) take a long poem like Tennyson’s Revenge, rank your systems alphabetically and use the first letter of each word in the corresponding line.

    It means you just need to remember the poem…
    This is peak pb
    Tedious narrative poetry harking back to the glory days of Britain?

    Yes, I can see that 😂
    Just after Wimbledon too when there was an awful lot of tennis on.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,504
    Performers sought to revive Victorian ballads

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddzjpmdj1ro.amp
    ...The collection includes a combination of well-known musical classics and forgotten songs penned by local composers.
    It includes music for Ride a Cock Horse, billed as a "drawing room comic song" performed by Harry Liston, and George Leybourne's "great comic song" The Organ Man, which he wrote and performed...


    Laybourne was more famous for "Champagne Charlie", and Google is unable to provide lyrics for "The Organ Man".

    Can ydoethur help ?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,364
    Nigelb said:

    Performers sought to revive Victorian ballads

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddzjpmdj1ro.amp
    ...The collection includes a combination of well-known musical classics and forgotten songs penned by local composers.
    It includes music for Ride a Cock Horse, billed as a "drawing room comic song" performed by Harry Liston, and George Leybourne's "great comic song" The Organ Man, which he wrote and performed...


    Laybourne was more famous for "Champagne Charlie", and Google is unable to provide lyrics for "The Organ Man".

    Can ydoethur help ?

    Depends how big an organ you want.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,403

    isam said:

    Zarah Sultana says the cartoonist has brown faced the packaging, but surely it’s just a cartoon of her? I realise I don’t take this stuff as seriously as some, but this seems ridiculous.

    Brownfacing a box of raisins and mocking my surname.

    what you’d expect from a right-wing hack who is the daughter of an aristocrat and ex-Tory MP.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1947066599
    653232974?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    She is permanently on outrage mode, despite her own very dodgy past when it comes to social media posting.
    Link broken?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,504
    Sean_F said:

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    Create your own system.

    For example (and this is not mine) take a long poem like Tennyson’s Revenge, rank your systems alphabetically and use the first letter of each word in the corresponding line.

    It means you just need to remember the poem…
    What drives me mad is "Prove you are not a robot", followed by endless photos of fire hydrants, bicycles, and traffic lights.
    On the other hand, that does provide a clue about what still confuses the machines, which might prove invaluable in the upcoming robot wars.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,312

    On security

    Bruce Schneier said that a good system makes doing the right thing the easiest option and doing bad things close to impossible.

    Creating new password all the time leads to MySpecialPassword01, MySpecialPassword02 etc. Rotating passwords lots doesn't really increase security.

    Password lockers are as much a symptom of the problem as a solution.

    2FA or even 3FA is a possible solution - but depends on implementation.

    Segmenting access, even for an individual is important.

    As is encrypting and backing up data. Having a completely encrypted database(s) is a not uncommon setup now - look at the contents and you just see random data.

    Something that is often overlooked is infrastructure - there is lots of special setups, obscure scripts etc that make complex systems work. At the British Library, the attackers targeted this - trashing the infrastructure. They are still rebuilding.

    Backup your infrastructure settings.

    I'm not, and never was, IT.

    But I did have some responsibility for software build processes. My 'final' system stored not just the tag for a particular build, or a copy of the scripts and tools used to build it, but also an image of the OS that was running on the build computer, and the HW of the build computer. Particularly useful as we developed the OS and tools as well.

    One of our managers would occasionally try to recreate a build from six months or a year before, and cry havoc if the resultant binaries/output were not identical. I liked him a lot.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,397
    Amazing how civilisation used to exist just fine without passwords.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,236
    isam said:

    Zarah Sultana says the cartoonist has brown faced the packaging, but surely it’s just a cartoon of her? I realise I don’t take this stuff as seriously as some, but this seems ridiculous.

    Brownfacing a box of raisins and mocking my surname.

    what you’d expect from a right-wing hack who is the daughter of an aristocrat and ex-Tory MP.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1947066599
    653232974?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Correct link

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1947066599653232974
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    edited July 21
    The problem with those who demand absolute purity and that everybody should always ensure never any offensive can ever be taken...eventually they are eaten by their own as they miss a memo on acceptable terminology and use a term that has become verboten in hyper "enlightened" circles e.g Global South is problematic term now. BAME has obviously gone now.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,505
    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    edited July 21
    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    He doesn't care. Probably needs some new donations for another long holiday in the sunshine.

    But you are right in the sense, the protests have already attracted knuckle draggers looking for a barney, which immediately becomes the narrative. Tommy Ten Names and his band of merry men will absolutely move the narrative even further to far-right thugs do....

    What he seems to do now is rock up, give a speech to rev up the crowd and then he disappears off sharpish.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,675
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    Create your own system.

    For example (and this is not mine) take a long poem like Tennyson’s Revenge, rank your systems alphabetically and use the first letter of each word in the corresponding line.

    It means you just need to remember the poem…
    What drives me mad is "Prove you are not a robot", followed by endless photos of fire hydrants, bicycles, and traffic lights.
    On the other hand, that does provide a clue about what still confuses the machines, which might prove invaluable in the upcoming robot wars.
    Disguise yourself as a fire hydrant to escape the AI apocalypse.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,842

    Taz said:

    If Reform simply becomes a rest home for failed Tories what is the point of it ?

    It needs to build a broad consensus rather than just take a chunk of Tory votes.

    Many people in areas like mine would vote for them but never vote Tory.

    Is there that much if about it? For all the excitement about the Red Wall voter, the biggest single slice of the Faragist vote has always been Conservatives who are bored with compromise.
    Of course there is if you look at some of the places where they are taking council seats. Many seats they took in Durham, for example, have never been Tory or even had much of a Tory presence.

    It’s a coalition of voters, yes mainly ex Tory but also from other parties and from previous non voters.

    The idea it’s just Tory-Reform revolving door with no drift from elsewhere is something people like to cling to but I don’t feel it’s the case in places like Peterlee or Blackhall Colliery. It may be in other places where they took seats. Former Tories may be the biggest slice but they’re not the only slice.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,757
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    It’s not just a government problem. This is also private sector, good companies keep their top management, the f##ks up lose their jobs and then seem to get hired by other companies who are can't get the good people. See the Farage debanking scandal, Howard Davies serial f##k up but was still in a top role and Alison Rose quickly got two big jobs since been dismissed.
    And in education. I was told yesterday that one person who was fired as CEO of an academy chain for sexual misconduct who has just been hired by another academy chain.

    That’s outrageous but it seems some people just fail upwards.

    (It’s not even as though he was any bloody good. It wouldn’t make it OK if he was, but it would at least make it understandable.)

    Edit - we also discussed the egregious case of Matt Wrack late of the FBU and now of NASUWT the other day.
    He doesn’t need to be that good, he just needs to be better than the other people who applied
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,675
    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    Puts the password debate in a new perspective. Imagine if you didn't just have to remember what password you're using, but what name you're going by as well. No wonder the poor guy is too confused to obey court orders.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,842

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    Everyone knows the site editor's password is a very secure Zama202Scipio
    At work I have to come up with 156 new passwords a year (13 different systems with a new password required every 30 days and have to be different.)

    A while back I officially ran out of password ideas.
    As you are Secure by creating passwords from the name / description of your shoes, surely there is only one possible way to be More Secure.

    Buy more shoes.
    I hope my wife’s not reading this.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    Given Reform need the support of ex Conservative voters to get a majority, it is not that surprising most Reform voters welcome the defection of ex Tory MPs
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,218
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    It’s not just a government problem. This is also private sector, good companies keep their top management, the f##ks up lose their jobs and then seem to get hired by other companies who are can't get the good people. See the Farage debanking scandal, Howard Davies serial f##k up but was still in a top role and Alison Rose quickly got two big jobs since been dismissed.
    And in education. I was told yesterday that one person who was fired as CEO of an academy chain for sexual misconduct who has just been hired by another academy chain.

    That’s outrageous but it seems some people just fail upwards.

    (It’s not even as though he was any bloody good. It wouldn’t make it OK if he was, but it would at least make it understandable.)

    Edit - we also discussed the egregious case of Matt Wrack late of the FBU and now of NASUWT the other day.
    He doesn’t need to be that good, he just needs to be better than the other people who applied
    But what counts as "better" for an academy CEO? Very few make a measurable difference, once you factor in tweaking the intake and reversion to the mean.

    And "not doing sexual misconduct" surely ought to be an important criterion for an educational manager.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    It’s not just a government problem. This is also private sector, good companies keep their top management, the f##ks up lose their jobs and then seem to get hired by other companies who are can't get the good people. See the Farage debanking scandal, Howard Davies serial f##k up but was still in a top role and Alison Rose quickly got two big jobs since been dismissed.
    And in education. I was told yesterday that one person who was fired as CEO of an academy chain for sexual misconduct who has just been hired by another academy chain.

    That’s outrageous but it seems some people just fail upwards.

    (It’s not even as though he was any bloody good. It wouldn’t make it OK if he was, but it would at least make it understandable.)

    Edit - we also discussed the egregious case of Matt Wrack late of the FBU and now of NASUWT the other day.
    He doesn’t need to be that good, he just needs to be better than the other people who applied
    A friend said the best maths teacher at his all-boys school had been taken on after dating one of the sixth form girls (probably year something-or-other in education newspeak) at his previous place. Sadly for my pal's A-level prospects, the chap was moved on again when the school announced plans to go co-educational. (Apparently this also led to the rushed recruitment of any lady teachers who could hold a stick of chalk, much to the relief of the schools off-loading them.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing how civilisation used to exist just fine without passwords.

    Is it you or my turn to head out and hunt the Wildebeest today?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,842

    On security

    Bruce Schneier said that a good system makes doing the right thing the easiest option and doing bad things close to impossible.

    Creating new password all the time leads to MySpecialPassword01, MySpecialPassword02 etc. Rotating passwords lots doesn't really increase security.

    Password lockers are as much a symptom of the problem as a solution.

    2FA or even 3FA is a possible solution - but depends on implementation.

    Segmenting access, even for an individual is important.

    As is encrypting and backing up data. Having a completely encrypted database(s) is a not uncommon setup now - look at the contents and you just see random data.

    Something that is often overlooked is infrastructure - there is lots of special setups, obscure scripts etc that make complex systems work. At the British Library, the attackers targeted this - trashing the infrastructure. They are still rebuilding.

    Backup your infrastructure settings.

    My last company changed policy on passwords from changing every 6 weeks to yearly.

    My password on the day I started was ‘TheKrotons01’ as I had watched that timeless Dr Who classic the day before.

    When I left it had gone from 01 to 82.

    I’ve only ever used that PW for work.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,335

    Apparently this also led to the rushed recruitment of any lady teachers who could hold a stick of chalk

    Hopefully not a euphemism
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,842
    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    What an utter prick that bloke is.

    Totally undermines any legitimate protest and issues there may be.

    Supreme egotist.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,364
    edited July 21
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    It’s not just a government problem. This is also private sector, good companies keep their top management, the f##ks up lose their jobs and then seem to get hired by other companies who are can't get the good people. See the Farage debanking scandal, Howard Davies serial f##k up but was still in a top role and Alison Rose quickly got two big jobs since been dismissed.
    And in education. I was told yesterday that one person who was fired as CEO of an academy chain for sexual misconduct who has just been hired by another academy chain.

    That’s outrageous but it seems some people just fail upwards.

    (It’s not even as though he was any bloody good. It wouldn’t make it OK if he was, but it would at least make it understandable.)

    Edit - we also discussed the egregious case of Matt Wrack late of the FBU and now of NASUWT the other day.
    He doesn’t need to be that good, he just needs to be better than the other people who applied
    Applied? You thought I meant he was appointed after a competitive process?!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    If Reform simply becomes a rest home for failed Tories what is the point of it ?

    It needs to build a broad consensus rather than just take a chunk of Tory votes.

    Many people in areas like mine would vote for them but never vote Tory.

    Is there that much if about it? For all the excitement about the Red Wall voter, the biggest single slice of the Faragist vote has always been Conservatives who are bored with compromise.
    Of course there is if you look at some of the places where they are taking council seats. Many seats they took in Durham, for example, have never been Tory or even had much of a Tory presence.

    It’s a coalition of voters, yes mainly ex Tory but also from other parties and from previous non voters.

    The idea it’s just Tory-Reform revolving door with no drift from elsewhere is something people like to cling to but I don’t feel it’s the case in places like Peterlee or Blackhall Colliery. It may be in other places where they took seats. Former Tories may be the biggest slice but they’re not the only slice.
    The biggest slice is Johnson 2019 voters who are now mainly voting Reform and of course most former UKIP voters and many ex Labour voters in the redwall also voted for Boris and Starmer last year but now back Farage.

    The Tories are still holding most of their Sunak 2024 voters though even with Kemi
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing how civilisation used to exist just fine without passwords.

    We’ve always had passwords, look up the word shibboleth.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,824

    On security

    Bruce Schneier said that a good system makes doing the right thing the easiest option and doing bad things close to impossible.

    Creating new password all the time leads to MySpecialPassword01, MySpecialPassword02 etc. Rotating passwords lots doesn't really increase security.

    Password lockers are as much a symptom of the problem as a solution.

    2FA or even 3FA is a possible solution - but depends on implementation.

    Segmenting access, even for an individual is important.

    As is encrypting and backing up data. Having a completely encrypted database(s) is a not uncommon setup now - look at the contents and you just see random data.

    Something that is often overlooked is infrastructure - there is lots of special setups, obscure scripts etc that make complex systems work. At the British Library, the attackers targeted this - trashing the infrastructure. They are still rebuilding.

    Backup your infrastructure settings.

    I'm not, and never was, IT.

    But I did have some responsibility for software build processes. My 'final' system stored not just the tag for a particular build, or a copy of the scripts and tools used to build it, but also an image of the OS that was running on the build computer, and the HW of the build computer. Particularly useful as we developed the OS and tools as well.

    One of our managers would occasionally try to recreate a build from six months or a year before, and cry havoc if the resultant binaries/output were not identical. I liked him a lot.
    The manager you speak of reminds me of the joke about Admiral Rickover and nuclear power.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,364

    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing how civilisation used to exist just fine without passwords.

    We’ve always had passwords, look up the word shibboleth.
    The Freemasons preferred handshakes though.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876
    Nigelb said:

    Performers sought to revive Victorian ballads

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cddzjpmdj1ro.amp
    ...The collection includes a combination of well-known musical classics and forgotten songs penned by local composers.
    It includes music for Ride a Cock Horse, billed as a "drawing room comic song" performed by Harry Liston, and George Leybourne's "great comic song" The Organ Man, which he wrote and performed...


    Laybourne was more famous for "Champagne Charlie", and Google is unable to provide lyrics for "The Organ Man".

    Can ydoethur help ?

    Champagne Charlie is my name. I saw the play many years ago, starring John Inman at the height of his fame. Brazil, where the nuts come from.

    But as for music hall songs, I suspect the forgotten ones are rubbish and the best ones survived.

    What puzzles me about this BBC story is why the BBC does not pick this up as a series. It looks right up its street, what with the unique way it is funded. Or maybe that was the intention of the museum in approaching the BBC.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    edited July 21

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    Almost all, I would think.
    This is a valid criticism Big Dom made of lots of people who failed badly during COVID, bodies that got shut down and reformed, he ran off a big list of people who magically ended up in senior positions in the new body.
    Indeed.

    Not just Covid either. I can think of several people who failed catastrophically at the DfE under Gove. They went on to other things - one became Chief of Ofsted and another became Chief of Staff to the PM (and a phone thief, and an amateur optician…)
    It’s not just a government problem. This is also private sector, good companies keep their top management, the f##ks up lose their jobs and then seem to get hired by other companies who are can't get the good people. See the Farage debanking scandal, Howard Davies serial f##k up but was still in a top role and Alison Rose quickly got two big jobs since been dismissed.
    And in education. I was told yesterday that one person who was fired as CEO of an academy chain for sexual misconduct who has just been hired by another academy chain.

    That’s outrageous but it seems some people just fail upwards.

    (It’s not even as though he was any bloody good. It wouldn’t make it OK if he was, but it would at least make it understandable.)

    Edit - we also discussed the egregious case of Matt Wrack late of the FBU and now of NASUWT the other day.
    He doesn’t need to be that good, he just needs to be better than the other people who applied
    A friend said the best maths teacher at his all-boys school had been taken on after dating one of the sixth form girls (probably year something-or-other in education newspeak) at his previous place. Sadly for my pal's A-level prospects, the chap was moved on again when the school announced plans to go co-educational. (Apparently this also led to the rushed recruitment of any lady teachers who could hold a stick of chalk, much to the relief of the schools off-loading them.)
    I remember there was the panic amongst maths academic when Watanabe Takayasu said he was stopping all product of his chalk. If I remember correctly he spent several years falling out with other people who tried to take over the production based on his techniques as he thought the quality wasn't good enough. In the end, I think it is a Korean bloke who convinced him he could do the job, promised to stick to the exact process and they shipped all the machines to Korea and basically copied the exact factory setup from the original Japanese location.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Taz said:

    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    What an utter prick that bloke is.

    Totally undermines any legitimate protest and issues there may be.

    Supreme egotist.
    There’s a reason Farage avoids the likes of Tommy Robinson and the BNP.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,397
    Almost everyone used to do their banking without the need for passwords.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,824
    Taz said:

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    Everyone knows the site editor's password is a very secure Zama202Scipio
    At work I have to come up with 156 new passwords a year (13 different systems with a new password required every 30 days and have to be different.)

    A while back I officially ran out of password ideas.
    As you are Secure by creating passwords from the name / description of your shoes, surely there is only one possible way to be More Secure.

    Buy more shoes.
    I hope my wife’s not reading this.
    I attended a cheese tasting event, a few years ago. Some lovely stuff there.

    The lady presenting the event said that an important accompaniment was a good champagne - which had the right acidity and bubble activity to wash one cheese out of the mouth before you have a different one.

    A friend, who also attended, with his wife, estimates that this event cost him at least five’s figures over the years. Since She Who Must Be Obeyed mandated champagne with every cheese board.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    edited July 21

    Taz said:

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    Everyone knows the site editor's password is a very secure Zama202Scipio
    At work I have to come up with 156 new passwords a year (13 different systems with a new password required every 30 days and have to be different.)

    A while back I officially ran out of password ideas.
    As you are Secure by creating passwords from the name / description of your shoes, surely there is only one possible way to be More Secure.

    Buy more shoes.
    I hope my wife’s not reading this.
    I attended a cheese tasting event, a few years ago. Some lovely stuff there.

    The lady presenting the event said that an important accompaniment was a good champagne - which had the right acidity and bubble activity to wash one cheese out of the mouth before you have a different one.

    A friend, who also attended, with his wife, estimates that this event cost him at least five’s figures over the years. Since She Who Must Be Obeyed mandated champagne with every cheese board.
    Could be worse, she could have demanded being taken to every Coldplay concert....just as expensive but far less enjoyable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    Outside the extremes 'left' and 'right' are almost useless terms. They are all social democrats with different decorations, including Reform. Big spending, welfare state, NHS, regulated capitalism, NATO. All want (though fail to achieve) lower migration, an issue which in neither right nor left. All want less CO2 in the atmosphere, while Reform think the UK should not try to lead the world in this to the UK's economic detriment. This is wrong headed, but again neither right nor left.

    The common struggle for all of them, including Reform as they shall find out, and are even now finding out in local authorities is whether social democracy, the only show in town since 1945, is sustainable, and if not what rough beast would replace it.

    Thatcher was no social democrat, nor were Cameron and Osborne. Nor in his guts is Farage.

    Migration is now falling thanks to the tighter visa wage requirements Sunak brought in
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876
    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently this also led to the rushed recruitment of any lady teachers who could hold a stick of chalk

    Hopefully not a euphemism
    Which is of course why George Formby is the artist most banned by the BBC.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nYaiQ8o6krI
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029

    There's another side to all of this: resilience.

    One company I know of apparently has an IT head who *assumes* that passwords will sometime be hacked or stolen. Therefore the company's policy is to tie down the database and systems. If you don't need access to a system, you don't get it. Even then, you can only access certain parts of it. And you should not be able to do large data dumps without extra permissions on a case-by-case basis. It is apparently a PITA for the staff, but often that is because they are trying do things they shouldn't be.

    And yes, he is well aware that he, and the couple of deputies, are holes in this because someone needs God rights.

    But they also spend a lot of effort and money on resilience / disaster recovery. *If* something happens; like a ransomware attack, how can they preserve their data and get back up and running as quickly as possible, with as little disruption? This also covers things like fires.

    However, all of this costs money, and requires a highly-skilled IT department that is willing to push back when a senior manager asks: "Of course I need to access this data I have no business seeing. Don't you know who I am ..."

    Indeed, most traditional EDRMS systems work like that
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876

    Taz said:

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    Everyone knows the site editor's password is a very secure Zama202Scipio
    At work I have to come up with 156 new passwords a year (13 different systems with a new password required every 30 days and have to be different.)

    A while back I officially ran out of password ideas.
    As you are Secure by creating passwords from the name / description of your shoes, surely there is only one possible way to be More Secure.

    Buy more shoes.
    I hope my wife’s not reading this.
    I attended a cheese tasting event, a few years ago. Some lovely stuff there.

    The lady presenting the event said that an important accompaniment was a good champagne - which had the right acidity and bubble activity to wash one cheese out of the mouth before you have a different one.

    A friend, who also attended, with his wife, estimates that this event cost him at least five’s figures over the years. Since She Who Must Be Obeyed mandated champagne with every cheese board.
    On the subject of aggregate costs (another topic for Leon when employed by Chancellors and their shadows) I used every Monday to buy five roses from a Moorgate flower stall, two red, one white and two blue for my desk at work, using Coke bottles as vases, until one morning it struck me I was subsidising the company by £500 a year.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214
    edited July 21
    nunu2 said:

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    The 5% spending on defence should include cyber threats.
    It does.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-deliver-on-5-nato-pledge-as-government-drives-greater-security-for-working-people

    This requires us to fortify in the round our economy, industry, digital communications and transport and energy networks against cyber-attacks and sabotage that we have seen launched against our public services and businesses, causing uncertainty and inconvenience for working people.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited July 21

    It will be interesting how many employees of OFWAT end up working at whatever new regulator is formed.

    90% I suspect, given how specialist the field of water
    industry regulation is.

    They should just have changed the executive team and remove anyone seriously under perfoming
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876
    Andy_JS said:

    Almost everyone used to do their banking without the need for passwords.

    We use cash machines with cards and 4-digit PINs.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,391
    Andy_JS said:

    Almost everyone used to do their banking without the need for passwords.

    If only we could go back to the days when women couldn't get bank accounts without the permission of their husbands or fathers, that would drastically cut down the need for passwords.

    #thegoodolddays
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Andy_JS said:

    Almost everyone used to do their banking without the need for passwords.

    Again not true, everything used to require a signature.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,312

    Andy_JS said:

    Almost everyone used to do their banking without the need for passwords.

    Again not true, everything used to require a signature.
    The thing that's probably changed the most is time. Many financial transactions can now be done instantaneously, or near-instantaneously, meaning that it is harder to do checks, and any mistakes or fraud go through immediately.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214

    Israeli forces launch ground and air assault on Deir al-Balah in central Gaza

    Some of the IDF are questioning what they are doing with no clear plan from the government. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-endgame-on-gaza-haredi-service-in-the-idf-and-winning-the-next-election/ is a great editorial summarising the state of play.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214
    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing how civilisation used to exist just fine without passwords.

    Polybius on how the Roman military operated:

    The way in which they secure the passing round of the watchword for the night is as follows: from the tenth maniple of each class of infantry and cavalry, the maniple which is encamped at the lower end of the street, a man is chosen who is relieved from guard duty, and he attends every day at sunset at the tent of the tribune, and receiving from him the watchword—that is a wooden tablet with the word inscribed on it – takes his leave, and on returning to his quarters passes on the watchword and tablet before witnesses to the commander of the next maniple, who in turn passes it to the one next to him. All do the same until it reaches the first maniples, those encamped near the tents of the tribunes. These latter are obliged to deliver the tablet to the tribunes before dark. So that if all those issued are returned, the tribune knows that the watchword has been given to all the maniples, and has passed through all on its way back to him. If any one of them is missing, he makes inquiry at once, as he knows by the marks from what quarter the tablet has not returned, and whoever is responsible for the stoppage meets with the punishment he merits.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,189

    Israeli forces launch ground and air assault on Deir al-Balah in central Gaza

    Some of the IDF are questioning what they are doing with no clear plan from the government. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-endgame-on-gaza-haredi-service-in-the-idf-and-winning-the-next-election/ is a great editorial summarising the state of play.
    Can anyone confirm the length of a Knesset parliament and when the next election is? That would appear to be the end of the end game
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,876

    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently this also led to the rushed recruitment of any lady teachers who could hold a stick of chalk

    Hopefully not a euphemism
    Which is of course why George Formby is the artist most banned by the BBC.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nYaiQ8o6krI
    George Formby banned by the BBC (6-minute feature):-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-qUVDafQc
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,441
    Felix Pope at Unherd on the Epping disturbances.

    I find Unherd variable; this one is a decent gonzo piece.

    https://unherd.com/2025/07/will-the-epping-protests-spread/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214
    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    The Epping protests have, so far, involved groups including the Homeland Party and Blood & Honour, full on proper neo-Nazis. They have long moved past any legitimate concerns and into far right territory. Tommy is late to the party.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873

    Andy_JS said:

    Almost everyone used to do their banking without the need for passwords.

    If only we could go back to the days when women couldn't get bank accounts without the permission of their husbands or fathers, that would drastically cut down the need for passwords.

    #thegoodolddays
    My favourite was a tutor at uni telling me that in the 1970s as an unmarried woman she couldn’t get a mortgage unless a blood relative agreed to be on the mortgage.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,441
    edited July 21

    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    He doesn't care. Probably needs some new donations for another long holiday in the sunshine.

    But you are right in the sense, the protests have already attracted knuckle draggers looking for a barney, which immediately becomes the narrative. Tommy Ten Names and his band of merry men will absolutely move the narrative even further to far-right thugs do....

    What he seems to do now is rock up, give a speech to rev up the crowd and then he disappears off sharpish.
    That's just playbook, though.

    Generate a ruckus at an asylum hotel and call it "local people demonstrating" has been the standard EDL technique for ages.

    They have been playing the same game at the "MEGA Mosque" just outside the Lake District this summer. That is, the MEGA Mosque that is only really accessible by car, and has a grand total of ~17 parking spaces. It's truly the end of the world.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,441
    FPT:
    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Brilliant yet again by Avanti West Coast - full VIP experience, bike and panniers carried onto train by two polite and energetic Gen Zers, strapped up and made safe, adjacent seats block booked for cyclists, careful coordination depending on where we are getting off.

    Sometimes, Britain really works. The only issue is there are only 4 spots, rather than the 20+ you need on a service this size.

    The problem is 20 bikes is probably the equivalent of 30 seats and that is a lot of potential revenue lost.
    It's dead easy to do - you just have a larger space with fold down seats, half a carriage or a whole carriage. Priority to disabled people, booked (and paid for) cyclists (and maybe luggage), then casual users.

    The issue is that the rail company do not have equality as a core value of their company culture, despite whatever waffle in on the website.

    My photo today: a cycle/mobility aid space on the Belgian railway:

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214
    Battlebus said:

    Israeli forces launch ground and air assault on Deir al-Balah in central Gaza

    Some of the IDF are questioning what they are doing with no clear plan from the government. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-endgame-on-gaza-haredi-service-in-the-idf-and-winning-the-next-election/ is a great editorial summarising the state of play.
    Can anyone confirm the length of a Knesset parliament and when the next election is? That would appear to be the end of the end game
    The latest the next election can be is 27 October 2026, although Bibi's coalition could collapse before then.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,780
    Taz said:

    nunu2 said:

    Tommy Robinson going to the Epping protest is going to distract from any legitimate concerns, and they will all be branded as far right. What a plonker

    What an utter prick that bloke is.

    Totally undermines any legitimate protest and issues there may be.

    Supreme egotist.
    Is he? I'd always assumed he was sponsored by the same outfit that provides our Saturday morning bots.

    But maybe he is just a prick, as you suggest.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,245
    ...
    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    Behave, we New Labour types are four square behind the Sultanas. There was even a poll on PB to prove it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,347

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
    Social class is an absolutely shocking metric to predict voting intention by.
    I am continually stunned by otherwise astute posters on all sides who persist in referencing it.
    It's a sticky myth from early psephology (when it had validity).
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,505
    The new water ombudsman will not make a bit of difference
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,246

    Huzzah for Apple.

    UK government seeks way out of clash with US over Apple encryption

    Officials fear technology deals with Washington could be impeded after Trump administration weighs in


    Sir Keir Starmer’s government is seeking a way out of a clash with the Trump administration over the UK’s demand that Apple provide it with access to secure customer data, two senior British officials have told the Financial Times.

    The officials both said the Home Office, which ordered the tech giant in January to grant access to its most secure cloud storage system, would probably have to retreat in the face of pressure from senior leaders in Washington, including vice-president JD Vance.

    “This is something that the vice-president is very annoyed about and which needs to be resolved,” said an official in the UK’s technology department. “The Home Office is basically going to have to back down.”

    Both officials said the UK decision to force Apple to break its end-to-end encryption — which has been raised multiple times by top officials in Donald Trump’s administration — could impede technology agreements with the US.

    “One of the challenges for the tech partnerships we’re working on is the encryption issue,” the first official said. “It’s a big red line in the US — they don’t want us messing with their tech companies.”

    Starmer’s government has set out a trade strategy that focuses on digital goals such as AI and data partnerships.

    The other senior government official added that the Home Office had handled the issue of Apple encryption very badly and now had “its back against the wall”, adding: “It’s a problem of the Home Office’s own making, and they’re working on a way around it now”.


    https://www.ft.com/content/3a3e6dbc-591d-4087-9ad3-11af04f0176f

    I have a huge BRO-CRUSH on J D Vance
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,173
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Brilliant yet again by Avanti West Coast - full VIP experience, bike and panniers carried onto train by two polite and energetic Gen Zers, strapped up and made safe, adjacent seats block booked for cyclists, careful coordination depending on where we are getting off.

    Sometimes, Britain really works. The only issue is there are only 4 spots, rather than the 20+ you need on a service this size.

    The problem is 20 bikes is probably the equivalent of 30 seats and that is a lot of potential revenue lost.
    It's dead easy to do - you just have a larger space with fold down seats, half a carriage or a whole carriage. Priority to disabled people, booked (and paid for) cyclists (and maybe luggage), then casual users.

    The issue is that the rail company do not have equality as a core value of their company culture, despite whatever waffle in on the website.

    My photo today: a cycle/mobility aid space on the Belgian railway:

    When somebody who has paid £££ for a ticket is obliged to stand to create space for a bike that is being carried for free, things can get a bit fractious.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited July 21

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
    Yes they do. On that very chart the LDs got 15% with ABs, just 10% with DEs and 11% with C2s. The LDs got 16% with those earning over £70,000, just 11% amongst those earning under £20,000. So the LDs are much higher by higher social grade and income on average.

    Reform also see a big difference by social grade as you say (doing better with working class voters), getting 20% with C2s and 19% with DEs but just 10% with ABs and 17% with those earning under £20,000 to just 10% with those earning more than £70,000.

    Labour and the Tories don't see much difference by social grade, fair enough, if slightly bigger differences by income. The Tories got 27% with ABs under Sunak and 22% with those earning over £70,000, 24% with C2s and 23% with DEs and 24% with those earning under £20,000 and 25% with those earning £30,000-£49,999. Labour under Starmer got 36% with ABs and 40% with those earning over £70,000, 34% with DEs and 33% with those earning under £20,000.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,747

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    The big practical benefit of password managers for home users right now is that they give you a degree of phishing protection. If you clicked something that you think took you to hsbc.com when really it took you hsbc.com.kp, the password manager won't recognize the site and won't fill the password in.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,965

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Brilliant yet again by Avanti West Coast - full VIP experience, bike and panniers carried onto train by two polite and energetic Gen Zers, strapped up and made safe, adjacent seats block booked for cyclists, careful coordination depending on where we are getting off.

    Sometimes, Britain really works. The only issue is there are only 4 spots, rather than the 20+ you need on a service this size.

    The problem is 20 bikes is probably the equivalent of 30 seats and that is a lot of potential revenue lost.
    It's dead easy to do - you just have a larger space with fold down seats, half a carriage or a whole carriage. Priority to disabled people, booked (and paid for) cyclists (and maybe luggage), then casual users.

    The issue is that the rail company do not have equality as a core value of their company culture, despite whatever waffle in on the website.

    My photo today: a cycle/mobility aid space on the Belgian railway:

    When somebody who has paid £££ for a ticket is obliged to stand to create space for a bike that is being carried for free, things can get a bit fractious.
    In the good old days when trains had proper guard's vans, my dad was able to get his Norton Commando back to Woking when its chain broke.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,020

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    I quite liked seeing the "Knights of Old" lorries when I was driving. They were particularly common along the A14, for other reasons.

    The ones I really like seeing though are "BJ Waters". I went to school with the owner's son, and they were based in a really inconvenient place in the Peak District that I knew quite well.

    Computer hacking should be treated much more seriously by the courts than it is - though like people smuggling, it is an international business and consequently incredibly difficult to tackle.
    I don't bet at all, but I'd feel safe 'betting' that many of these hacker groups are state sponsered (Russian probably), but they have 'plausible deniability' when it comes to the attacks. They are effectively acts of war by that state, but everyone (even the victims) smiles and pretends they're not.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,180
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing how civilisation used to exist just fine without passwords.

    We’ve always had passwords, look up the word shibboleth.
    The Freemasons preferred handshakes though.
    Passwords are definitely a part of masonry.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,347
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
    Yes they do. On that very chart the LDs got 15% with ABs, just 10% with DEs and 11% with C2s. The LDs got 16% with those earning over £70,000, just 11% amongst those earning under £20,000. So the LDs are much higher by higher social grade and income on average.

    Reform also see a big difference by social grade as you say (doing better with working class voters), getting 20% with C2s and 19% with DEs but just 10% with ABs and 17% with those earning under £20,000 to just 10% with those earning more than £70,000.

    Labour and the Tories don't see much difference by social grade, fair enough, if slightly bigger differences by income. The Tories got 27% with ABs under Sunak and 22% with those earning over £70,000, 24% with C2s and 23% with DEs and 24% with those earning under £20,000 and 25% with those earning £30,000-£49,999. Labour under Starmer got 36% with ABs and 40% with those earning over £70,000, 34% with DEs and 33% with those earning under £20,000.
    Those aren't "big differences" though.
    Puny compared to age, urban/rural, ethnicity, housing status and a host of others.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,325
    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,311
    nunu2 said:

    The new water ombudsman will not make a bit of difference

    Surely yolu mean 'not a drop of difference'?

    I do though, tend to agree with the concept. Nationalisation without compensation, for larger shareholders anyway, would be my preferred option.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,756
    Leon said:

    Huzzah for Apple.

    UK government seeks way out of clash with US over Apple encryption

    Officials fear technology deals with Washington could be impeded after Trump administration weighs in


    Sir Keir Starmer’s government is seeking a way out of a clash with the Trump administration over the UK’s demand that Apple provide it with access to secure customer data, two senior British officials have told the Financial Times.

    The officials both said the Home Office, which ordered the tech giant in January to grant access to its most secure cloud storage system, would probably have to retreat in the face of pressure from senior leaders in Washington, including vice-president JD Vance.

    “This is something that the vice-president is very annoyed about and which needs to be resolved,” said an official in the UK’s technology department. “The Home Office is basically going to have to back down.”

    Both officials said the UK decision to force Apple to break its end-to-end encryption — which has been raised multiple times by top officials in Donald Trump’s administration — could impede technology agreements with the US.

    “One of the challenges for the tech partnerships we’re working on is the encryption issue,” the first official said. “It’s a big red line in the US — they don’t want us messing with their tech companies.”

    Starmer’s government has set out a trade strategy that focuses on digital goals such as AI and data partnerships.

    The other senior government official added that the Home Office had handled the issue of Apple encryption very badly and now had “its back against the wall”, adding: “It’s a problem of the Home Office’s own making, and they’re working on a way around it now”.


    https://www.ft.com/content/3a3e6dbc-591d-4087-9ad3-11af04f0176f

    I have a huge BRO-CRUSH on J D Vance
    It could be a rare good thing from Trump's America if Labour's mental desire to make encryption worthless gets thrown in the bin.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    edited July 21
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.

    I think that has to be the first ever reference to the Secret Seven on PB....always thought they were better stories than Famous Five myself.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,020
    Dopermean said:

    Eabhal said:

    Weak password allowed hackers to sink a 158-year-old company
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2gx28815wo

    Panorama tonight. A ransomware attack destroyed KNP (Knights of Old lorries) and 700 jobs were lost.

    Stay safe, everyone, appears to be the advice of the NCSC.

    (This is not a parable for dicking around with the layout of PB.)

    That's a depressing read. I think we need to criminalise paying the ransom but set up a government insurance scheme that supports small-medium size businesses during and after attacks.
    Where then is the incentive for companies to have IT security?
    The competent and the utterly negligent are treated equally.
    The other problem is that this is international crime and state-sponsored.
    Ha! Read my mind. I'd be amazed if ANY of these 'l33t hackerz' groups weren't state sponsored. I suspect most of them are just extensions of the Russian, Chinese and North Korean governments. Possibly Iran too.

    You've therefore no chance of catching them, as you'd have to invade the country in question to get to them.

    However, I was looking and I did think that yeah, the company was going bust anyway, just the ransomware attack made it certain.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    OFWAT to be scrapped and replaced by a new regulator, probably with most of the same faces and the water industry to remain privatised Environment Sec announces. So little real change
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,325

    Passwords are evil little things.

    So many are required nowadays, that it is near-impossible to memorise them, especially if they have to change, and so people tend to use the same passwords for many sites, or subtle variations thereon.

    An alternative is writing them down. But that means you can only access them if you are where they are written down, and if someone gains access to the list, you are screwed (unless you somehow encrypt or obfuscate the list).

    And so a compromise is password managers; which means you need to 'trust' the organisation running the manager, and that all your passwords might be exploitable if someone gains access to the manager.

    The big practical benefit of password managers for home users right now is that they give you a degree of phishing protection. If you clicked something that you think took you to hsbc.com when really it took you hsbc.com.kp, the password manager won't recognize the site and won't fill the password in.
    Password manager is a life changer. I used to have problems with passwords, now I don't. It just defaults the correct one every time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902
    It comes as a survey by J L Partners found that Reform has a six-point lead over Labour and is 12 percentage points ahead of the Tories in current opinion polling.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/21/nigel-farage-reform-plan-cut-crime/

    I can't see this on their twitter account for the exact numbers.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,756
    For the record, I tended to read the Adventure series.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,397
    edited July 21
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.

    Do you dispute that nearly everyone used to do their banking without needing passwords? Or even any ID a lot of the time. You just walked into the bank with your bank book.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,732
    I see we’re discussing passwords today?

    PB really is IT contractor centrist Dad personified isn’t it :smile:
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,291
    edited July 21

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Brilliant yet again by Avanti West Coast - full VIP experience, bike and panniers carried onto train by two polite and energetic Gen Zers, strapped up and made safe, adjacent seats block booked for cyclists, careful coordination depending on where we are getting off.

    Sometimes, Britain really works. The only issue is there are only 4 spots, rather than the 20+ you need on a service this size.

    The problem is 20 bikes is probably the equivalent of 30 seats and that is a lot of potential revenue lost.
    It's dead easy to do - you just have a larger space with fold down seats, half a carriage or a whole carriage. Priority to disabled people, booked (and paid for) cyclists (and maybe luggage), then casual users.

    The issue is that the rail company do not have equality as a core value of their company culture, despite whatever waffle in on the website.

    My photo today: a cycle/mobility aid space on the Belgian railway:

    When somebody who has paid £££ for a ticket is obliged to stand to create space for a bike that is being carried for free, things can get a bit fractious.
    I guess it's better not to have jump seats at all then. In my experience, you end up with a rapid exchange of apologies from both parties and it's all very convivial.

    The usual challenge is luggage. Deeply gratifying when you have a zesty conductor who makes vague threats about abandoned luggage when they've blocked off the disabled/cycle/pram spot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,902

    For the record, I tended to read the Adventure series.

    I remember those. I just googled them and there were far less of them than I thought.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,727
    HYUFD said:

    OFWAT to be scrapped and replaced by a new regulator, probably with most of the same faces and the water industry to remain privatised Environment Sec announces. So little real change

    A classic solution to make it look as if the government is doing something.

    From those who view Yes, Minister not so much as a sitcom, but as an instruction manual.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,325

    kinabalu said:

    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.

    I think that has to be the first ever reference to the Secret Seven on PB....always thought they were better stories than Famous Five myself.
    Yes. Got to be due a reread at some point whilst I still have my marbles.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,189

    Battlebus said:

    Israeli forces launch ground and air assault on Deir al-Balah in central Gaza

    Some of the IDF are questioning what they are doing with no clear plan from the government. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-endgame-on-gaza-haredi-service-in-the-idf-and-winning-the-next-election/ is a great editorial summarising the state of play.
    Can anyone confirm the length of a Knesset parliament and when the next election is? That would appear to be the end of the end game
    The latest the next election can be is 27 October 2026, although Bibi's coalition could collapse before then.
    Wonder how this will interface with the US mid-terms? An influence or simply ignored as not MAGA.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,311

    For the record, I tended to read the Adventure series.

    Hmmm.... takes me back. To a long, long, long time ago.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,214
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
    Yes they do. On that very chart the LDs got 15% with ABs, just 10% with DEs and 11% with C2s. The LDs got 16% with those earning over £70,000, just 11% amongst those earning under £20,000. So the LDs are much higher by higher social grade and income on average.

    Reform also see a big difference by social grade as you say (doing better with working class voters), getting 20% with C2s and 19% with DEs but just 10% with ABs and 17% with those earning under £20,000 to just 10% with those earning more than £70,000.

    Labour and the Tories don't see much difference by social grade, fair enough, if slightly bigger differences by income. The Tories got 27% with ABs under Sunak and 22% with those earning over £70,000, 24% with C2s and 23% with DEs and 24% with those earning under £20,000 and 25% with those earning £30,000-£49,999. Labour under Starmer got 36% with ABs and 40% with those earning over £70,000, 34% with DEs and 33% with those earning under £20,000.
    The LibDems see a 5pp difference and the Tories see a 4pp difference. You call the 5pp difference "much higher", but say, "the Tories don't see much difference" with their 4pp difference.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited July 21
    Reeves to rule out a wealth tax but will raise CGT and cut tax relief on pensions contributions in the next Budget most likely instead
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/rachel-reeves-wealth-tax-kl6zj9kvz
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited July 21

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
    Yes they do. On that very chart the LDs got 15% with ABs, just 10% with DEs and 11% with C2s. The LDs got 16% with those earning over £70,000, just 11% amongst those earning under £20,000. So the LDs are much higher by higher social grade and income on average.

    Reform also see a big difference by social grade as you say (doing better with working class voters), getting 20% with C2s and 19% with DEs but just 10% with ABs and 17% with those earning under £20,000 to just 10% with those earning more than £70,000.

    Labour and the Tories don't see much difference by social grade, fair enough, if slightly bigger differences by income. The Tories got 27% with ABs under Sunak and 22% with those earning over £70,000, 24% with C2s and 23% with DEs and 24% with those earning under £20,000 and 25% with those earning £30,000-£49,999. Labour under Starmer got 36% with ABs and 40% with those earning over £70,000, 34% with DEs and 33% with those earning under £20,000.
    The LibDems see a 5pp difference and the Tories see a 4pp difference. You call the 5pp difference "much higher", but say, "the Tories don't see much difference" with their 4pp difference.
    15% with ABs for the LDs is 33% more than the 10% they got with DEs.

    27% with ABs is just 17% more than 23% with DEs for the Tories
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,325
    Andy_JS said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.

    Do you dispute that nearly everyone used to do their banking without needing passwords? Or even any ID a lot of the time. You just walked into the bank with your bank book.
    Yep. I remember those days. Nicer in some ways but lots of downside too. Eg when I first went to uni my cashcard was good for a cumulative £50. After that it was swallowed and another one posted back to me a week later. And if I wanted an overdraft I had to go in and see the manager, persaude him I wouldn't spend it on fripperies. I still recall his name. Mr Wilkinson.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,246

    kinabalu said:

    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.

    I think that has to be the first ever reference to the Secret Seven on PB....always thought they were better stories than Famous Five myself.
    The Five “Find-Outers” were the best. Fatty Trotteville constantly outwitting Constable Goon, like an endless replay of the Battle of Hastings
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,059

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    Brilliant yet again by Avanti West Coast - full VIP experience, bike and panniers carried onto train by two polite and energetic Gen Zers, strapped up and made safe, adjacent seats block booked for cyclists, careful coordination depending on where we are getting off.

    Sometimes, Britain really works. The only issue is there are only 4 spots, rather than the 20+ you need on a service this size.

    The problem is 20 bikes is probably the equivalent of 30 seats and that is a lot of potential revenue lost.
    It's dead easy to do - you just have a larger space with fold down seats, half a carriage or a whole carriage. Priority to disabled people, booked (and paid for) cyclists (and maybe luggage), then casual users.

    The issue is that the rail company do not have equality as a core value of their company culture, despite whatever waffle in on the website.

    My photo today: a cycle/mobility aid space on the Belgian railway:

    When somebody who has paid £££ for a ticket is obliged to stand to create space for a bike that is being carried for free, things can get a bit fractious.
    I don’t understand why cyclists need to be on a train. Can’t they just cycle to wherever they’re going and leave more room on the train for the rest of us?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,180
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, passwords, they're associated with the modern digital world but you come across them well before that. Eg in the dated reactionary 'Secret Seven' novels of Enid Blyton, in order to enter whatever place they were meeting up in, typically a garden shed, each member would have to whisper the agreed password. Anybody failing to do so would not get through the door, not even Peter.

    "I am rooting for the non-heterosexual in the womens' tennis."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,824
    I've realised what Starmer's government reminds me of - the government in A Clockwork Orange.

    It's the combination of incompetence & pretend liberalism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,029
    edited July 21
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    So, conservatives want a Conservative party they can vote for, or an adjacent equivalent.
    Shocking

    I think that’s pretty much it. There’s still a left and a right, and Reform is a party of the right. It’s managed to drag the conservatives in its direction, but its main role is providing voters with a home for swing away from the incumbent, at a time when the Tories aren’t a credible option.

    The Greens are playing a similar role for lefties. The Lib Dems are now driven by somewhat different dynamics.
    The Lib Dems are now the party for posh centrists, full of ex One Nation Tories and a few ex New Labour types as well as traditional Liberals and ex SDP
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election and go down to the section on "How Britons voted in 2024 by social grade". Most parties, including the LibDems, don't show big differences by social grade. Across AB, C1, C2 and DE, the maximum difference in vote share for Labour is only 4pp, the LibDems 5pp, the Greens 2pp and the Tories 4pp. The only party with a big difference in social grade is Reform UK, who had 10% of the AB vote versus 20% of the C2 vote. So, no the LibDems are not "the party for posh centrists". We continue to receive plenty of support across C2 and DE.
    Social class is an absolutely shocking metric to predict voting intention by.
    I am continually stunned by otherwise astute posters on all sides who persist in referencing it.
    It's a sticky myth from early psephology (when it had validity).
    In terms of Reform, social class is as much a predictor of their vote as age.

    Indeed Reform do better with working class white young men than AB graduate pensioners
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