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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,649
    Selebian said:

    boulay said:

    Why is the whole masterchef, Greg, John Torode story such huge news? As I don’t watch Masterchef am I missing a huge cultural moment like the first Impressionists exhibition?

    From what I’ve heard on the radio of the Torode story calls for his resignation would be an injustice.

    It appears that 7-8 years ago he made a perceived racist remark. The accuser says it was not malicious and he apologised immediately when challenged. Torode says he has no recollection of the incident.

    Assuming the accusation is correct it seems like offence was caused, apologies were made and accepted and everyone moved on with their lives. What is the purpose of digging it up 8 years later?
    How can people feel better about themselves without burning a witch every day?
    I believe the PC term is "conflagrating a female-identifying occult practitioner"
    You have been cancelled for the disgusting term “occult practitioner”

    The correct term is “Wiccan faith practitioner”

    Please report to Martyrs Memorial, Oxford, for public involuntary cremation.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,649
    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Perhaps centrist PB shouldn’t be quite so dismissive of Corbyn & co. After all by many of their own accounts Jezza ‘forced’ them to vote for the FLSOJ. That’s pretty influential.

    I quite like Sultana, and warmed to Cobyn apart from the anti-Semitism stuff. I won't be voting for the party.

    At least they believe that the world can and should be a better place. I like idealists.
    I like idealists but don't want them in charge at a period where least bad choices are likely best, such as now. Horses for courses and all that.
    Corbyn would at least be able to offer an alternative view on Gaza. Although his adjudicated anti-Semitism is less than helpful.
    The consensus view on Gaza is the correct one imo. He was a great footballer, close to the very best in the world, but the alcohol issues have taken their toll in his personal life.
    Close to Best in more ways than one.
    How about Gaza presenting a cooking show?

    In Gaza.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Perhaps centrist PB shouldn’t be quite so dismissive of Corbyn & co. After all by many of their own accounts Jezza ‘forced’ them to vote for the FLSOJ. That’s pretty influential.

    I quite like Sultana, and warmed to Cobyn apart from the anti-Semitism stuff. I won't be voting for the party.

    At least they believe that the world can and should be a better place. I like idealists.
    I like idealists but don't want them in charge at a period where least bad choices are likely best, such as now. Horses for courses and all that.
    Corbyn would at least be able to offer an alternative view on Gaza. Although his adjudicated anti-Semitism is less than helpful.
    The consensus view on Gaza is the correct one imo. He was a great footballer, close to the very best in the world, but the alcohol issues have taken their toll in his personal life.
    Close to Best in more ways than one.
    Did Gaza spend all his money on birds, booze and fast cars.And did he squander the rest? I suspect Gaza sadly spent his money on booze. Squandering the rest on pals who had names not dissimilar to Kray Twins victims.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    edited 9:13AM
    Enough piffle, an actual poll

    More warning signs for Labour in the latest YouGov poll:

    🔥 Reform UK lead is UP 4 points
    🔥 Labour support DOWN 2 points
    🔥 Lib Dem and Green support UP

    Reform - 28% (+2)
    Labour - 22% (-2)
    Tories - 17% (+1)
    Libs - 16% (+1)
    Greens - 12% (+1)


    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/1945041367702384652?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    Looks like the mini Lab revival is over and the mini Reform surge is back on
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    Leon said:

    Enough piffle, an actual poll

    More warning signs for Labour in the latest YouGov poll:

    🔥 Reform UK lead is UP 4 points
    🔥 Labour support DOWN 2 points
    🔥 Lib Dem and Green support UP

    Reform - 28% (+2)
    Labour - 22% (-2)
    Tories - 17% (+1)
    Libs - 16% (+1)
    Greens - 12% (+1)


    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/1945041367702384652?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    What about the Cons? Why did you miss them out? They are smashing it out of the park on plus one but that doesn't fit your Reformy narrative.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,268

    MattW said:

    A very important story - a hospital in Northern Ireland where there was extensive abuse of disabled people, discovered because a security camera was left running for 6 months.

    Hundreds of offences. 8 years later, the enquiry is not finished, and there have been no outcomes of prosecutions.

    IMO in addition to the events, it is also about institutions not being joined up in dealing with it, and the NI state still being a mess.

    File on Four 40 minutes:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002fvgl

    Article Quote:
    What police officers found when they visited the hospital in September 2017, triggered the UK's largest adult safeguarding investigation and made the hospital one of the nation's biggest ever crime scenes - according to data released by the police.

    Unbeknown to staff, the CCTV cameras had been mistakenly left running for the six months since their installation, according to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI).

    A staggering 300,000 hours of footage was discovered - equivalent to 34 years' worth. It revealed not only the alleged assault on Aaron, but hundreds of other incidents carried out by hospital staff.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1xxkxk74o

    In Northern Ireland, there is the additional complication of The Peace Process.

    This is because prosecuting A Man of Violence (retired) or a close family member is An Attack On The Peace Process.

    So the PSNI has to make sure they don't officiously find evidence of a crime committed by the Right (Wrong) Kind of People.
    Muses on the possible overlap between "retired" people of violence / relations to and people accused of abuse...
    Are the PSNI allowed to find evidence against people involved with the church or is it a complete lockout?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    I know it’s FindouthowgreatNigelis

    But still -

    Reform are THIRTEEN points in front and Labour are on 21
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666
    Leon said:

    Enough piffle, an actual poll

    More warning signs for Labour in the latest YouGov poll:

    🔥 Reform UK lead is UP 4 points
    🔥 Labour support DOWN 2 points
    🔥 Lib Dem and Green support UP

    Reform - 28% (+2)
    Labour - 22% (-2)
    Tories - 17% (+1)
    Libs - 16% (+1)
    Greens - 12% (+1)


    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/1945041367702384652?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Baxtered it gives:
    RFM 327
    LAB 149
    LDM 72
    CON 37
    SNP 28
    GRN 8
    PLC 5
    OTH 6
    NI 18
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,785
    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    edited 9:25AM

    Leon said:

    Enough piffle, an actual poll

    More warning signs for Labour in the latest YouGov poll:

    🔥 Reform UK lead is UP 4 points
    🔥 Labour support DOWN 2 points
    🔥 Lib Dem and Green support UP

    Reform - 28% (+2)
    Labour - 22% (-2)
    Tories - 17% (+1)
    Libs - 16% (+1)
    Greens - 12% (+1)


    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/1945041367702384652?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Baxtered it gives:
    RFM 327
    LAB 149
    LDM 72
    CON 37
    SNP 28
    GRN 8
    PLC 5
    OTH 6
    NI 18
    The Findoutnow poll, when BAXTERED, gives

    Ref: 442
    Lab: 85
    LD: 44
    Con: 15
    Grn: 5

    LOL
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,649
    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    A very important story - a hospital in Northern Ireland where there was extensive abuse of disabled people, discovered because a security camera was left running for 6 months.

    Hundreds of offences. 8 years later, the enquiry is not finished, and there have been no outcomes of prosecutions.

    IMO in addition to the events, it is also about institutions not being joined up in dealing with it, and the NI state still being a mess.

    File on Four 40 minutes:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002fvgl

    Article Quote:
    What police officers found when they visited the hospital in September 2017, triggered the UK's largest adult safeguarding investigation and made the hospital one of the nation's biggest ever crime scenes - according to data released by the police.

    Unbeknown to staff, the CCTV cameras had been mistakenly left running for the six months since their installation, according to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI).

    A staggering 300,000 hours of footage was discovered - equivalent to 34 years' worth. It revealed not only the alleged assault on Aaron, but hundreds of other incidents carried out by hospital staff.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1xxkxk74o

    In Northern Ireland, there is the additional complication of The Peace Process.

    This is because prosecuting A Man of Violence (retired) or a close family member is An Attack On The Peace Process.

    So the PSNI has to make sure they don't officiously find evidence of a crime committed by the Right (Wrong) Kind of People.
    Muses on the possible overlap between "retired" people of violence / relations to and people accused of abuse...
    Are the PSNI allowed to find evidence against people involved with the church or is it a complete lockout?
    Yes, strangely, it seems there is an overlap between torture and murder as a hobby and unpleasant behaviour in other parts of life.

    On going after the Catholic Church - That would be an ecumenical matter, as a great Irish philosopher observed.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,953
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    People on the right feel the need for a NOTA party. Given how shite Labour have proved to be at governing, why shouldn't the left too?

    Well the NOTA on the left is being promoted by a pair of incompetents that make Liz Truss look like a Nobel Prize winning Economist, one of whom has delivered over twice as many Conservative Governments as Mrs Thatcher.
    Yebbut, how competent is Farage? Everyone says "He got Brexit through!" - whilst ignoring that if he (rather than Boris) had fronted it, he would have lost the Referendum. Exhibit A, THOSE posters he released in the campaign off his own initiaitve.

    Voters might currently think they want an outlet for their frustrations. I wouldn't bank on this, so far out from polling day. There's damn near four years until we have to be asked. By then we could be in a war with Russia. With a Trump Jr in the White House. Neither of those would exactly be good news for the offering of New Right or New Left.
    Agree. The unknowns of the next 4 years are good reasons for thinking that Labour are the most likely gainers from it and most likely to lead the 2029 government. Reasons: Four years is a long time to sustain Reform's shaky foundations and paradoxical contradictory economic policy, the Tories currently have no path to success, Corbyn and co are yesterday's movement. Glasto has moved on. Labour's 2029 slogan 'Labour Least Worst. Trust us to screw up less than the others'.
    Omg

    You did a comment saying “this is why Labour are likely to win the next election”

    Next, @Scott_xP on “actually I’m not that keen on Brexit”
    You can never have too much of the feast of reason and the flow of soul and exciting final test match days.

    Apropos of nothing in particular, an excellent article in the Speccie this week by a bloke called Sean Thomas put me in mind of the day I saw an Henri Cartier-Bresson exhibition at the V&A well over 50 years ago and the world have never quite looked the same since. Genius.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,227
    Starmer is tying his fortunes to stopping asylum seekers.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1945017442180219256

    British people have every right to ask why their money is spent on asylum hotels instead of public services.

    That's why I agreed a groundbreaking pilot with France.

    For the first time, people who try to make the crossing illegally will find themselves back where they started.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,707
    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    That's the Hypothetical poll with the Corbyn/Sultana option removed.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,561

    MattW said:

    A very important story - a hospital in Northern Ireland where there was extensive abuse of disabled people, discovered because a security camera was left running for 6 months.

    Hundreds of offences. 8 years later, the enquiry is not finished, and there have been no outcomes of prosecutions.

    IMO in addition to the events, it is also about institutions not being joined up in dealing with it, and the NI state still being a mess.

    File on Four 40 minutes:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002fvgl

    Article Quote:
    What police officers found when they visited the hospital in September 2017, triggered the UK's largest adult safeguarding investigation and made the hospital one of the nation's biggest ever crime scenes - according to data released by the police.

    Unbeknown to staff, the CCTV cameras had been mistakenly left running for the six months since their installation, according to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI).

    A staggering 300,000 hours of footage was discovered - equivalent to 34 years' worth. It revealed not only the alleged assault on Aaron, but hundreds of other incidents carried out by hospital staff.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1xxkxk74o

    In Northern Ireland, there is the additional complication of The Peace Process.

    This is because prosecuting A Man of Violence (retired) or a close family member is An Attack On The Peace Process.

    So the PSNI has to make sure they don't officiously find evidence of a crime committed by the Right (Wrong) Kind of People.
    Be fair, at least by not going after former terrorists it means that British soldiers who got caught in dangerous stressful situations or made bad mistakes/decisions are also immune to prosecution - if it was only one way then that would be an absolute disgrace wouldn’t it? I’m sure Hermer agrees totally with fairness so all will be fine.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,442
    Leon said:

    Looks like the mini Lab revival is over and the mini Reform surge is back on

    Starmer's numbers have recently taken a tonking - and I did suggest that Labour's numbers might follow him down.

    The deal with Macron on little boats might not be their electoral saviour...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,020

    Selebian said:

    Foxy said:

    Perhaps centrist PB shouldn’t be quite so dismissive of Corbyn & co. After all by many of their own accounts Jezza ‘forced’ them to vote for the FLSOJ. That’s pretty influential.

    I quite like Sultana, and warmed to Cobyn apart from the anti-Semitism stuff. I won't be voting for the party.

    At least they believe that the world can and should be a better place. I like idealists.
    I like idealists but don't want them in charge at a period where least bad choices are likely best, such as now. Horses for courses and all that.
    Corbyn would at least be able to offer an alternative view on Gaza. Although his adjudicated anti-Semitism is less than helpful.
    The consensus view on Gaza is the correct one imo. He was a great footballer, close to the very best in the world, but the alcohol issues have taken their toll in his personal life.
    Close to Best in more ways than one.
    How about Gaza presenting a cooking show?

    In Gaza.
    Wearing his Gazza Strip.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,785
    edited 9:30AM

    Starmer is tying his fortunes to stopping asylum seekers.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1945017442180219256

    British people have every right to ask why their money is spent on asylum hotels instead of public services.

    That's why I agreed a groundbreaking pilot with France.

    For the first time, people who try to make the crossing illegally will find themselves back where they started.

    If all the boats were taken back as soon as they arrive, or mid-channel it would be a game changer. But it's going to be 50 a week at most, doubtless held up by endless legal challenges (Which Starmer won't pass the necessary primary legislation to nix); so I doubt ol' Nige of Clacton is going to be particularly worried that it'll actually work.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Enough piffle, an actual poll

    More warning signs for Labour in the latest YouGov poll:

    🔥 Reform UK lead is UP 4 points
    🔥 Labour support DOWN 2 points
    🔥 Lib Dem and Green support UP

    Reform - 28% (+2)
    Labour - 22% (-2)
    Tories - 17% (+1)
    Libs - 16% (+1)
    Greens - 12% (+1)


    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/1945041367702384652?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Baxtered it gives:
    RFM 327
    LAB 149
    LDM 72
    CON 37
    SNP 28
    GRN 8
    PLC 5
    OTH 6
    NI 18
    The Findoutnow poll, when BAXTERED, gives

    Ref: 442
    Lab: 85
    LD: 44
    Con: 15
    Grn: 5

    LOL
    Nigel Farage as Prime Minister.

    I'd better get those solar panels and start growing some vegetables.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,953
    edited 9:31AM

    Starmer is tying his fortunes to stopping asylum seekers.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1945017442180219256

    British people have every right to ask why their money is spent on asylum hotels instead of public services.

    That's why I agreed a groundbreaking pilot with France.

    For the first time, people who try to make the crossing illegally will find themselves back where they started.

    The lack of quantifiers and qualifiers renders this politicised statement so misleading as to be close to the lie direct. The statement is consistent with every person being returned, and consistent with two people out of X thousand being returned. That is tabloid journalism not proper politics.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    Starmer is tying his fortunes to stopping asylum seekers.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1945017442180219256

    British people have every right to ask why their money is spent on asylum hotels instead of public services.

    That's why I agreed a groundbreaking pilot with France.

    For the first time, people who try to make the crossing illegally will find themselves back where they started.

    The small boats saga is an existential threat to Labour as it might be to the Tories (it never exercised me but heyho). He has to throw the kitchen sink at it. Resolve this and Brave Sir Nigel's fox is shot. Can Starmer do it? Probably not, but it's a hill to die upon.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,707

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    That's the Hypothetical poll with the Corbyn/Sultana option removed.
    Their regular poll, conducted at the same time (9 July) was 31, 22, 19, 13, 9
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    edited 9:32AM
    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,442
    edited 9:32AM
    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    No-one wants the bland low-fat skimmed Skyr.

    People want the big flavour of full-fat Stilton Farage.

    At the moment.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,457
    Leon said:

    Enough piffle, an actual poll

    More warning signs for Labour in the latest YouGov poll:

    🔥 Reform UK lead is UP 4 points
    🔥 Labour support DOWN 2 points
    🔥 Lib Dem and Green support UP

    Reform - 28% (+2)
    Labour - 22% (-2)
    Tories - 17% (+1)
    Libs - 16% (+1)
    Greens - 12% (+1)


    https://x.com/kevinaschofield/status/1945041367702384652?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    With figures like these, the Greens should be given much more media coverage than they are. QT is a particularly egregious example,.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,297
    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    I think it was made last year just as Todgergate was breaking. Bit like Jools' Hootananny, it takes the spontaneous gloss off a bit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    That's the Hypothetical poll with the Corbyn/Sultana option removed.
    Yes. So, a poll
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    I did say at the time the Labour revival would tee up claims by Goodwin of an even bigger Reform revival.*

    * I am not dissing a BPC registered polling genius by the way. To be clear.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    No-one wants the bland low-fat skimmed Skyr.

    People want the big flavour of full-fat milkshake Farage.

    At the moment.
    FTFY
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,785
    edited 9:39AM
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    I just think he was too high a risk for this (Already filmed, not yet put out) series though. I think there's other people they could have got in. Galetti is familiar with the format from presenting professionals, and less haughty than I think Wareing who defo wouldn't go well with Torrode.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,738
    Just as an aside, I sometimes watched ye olde Masterchef with Lloyd Grossman[sp]. Watched a few minutes of the 'new' version and instantly disliked both the format (can't have something relaxed can we?) and Wallace irritating as hell.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,203
    edited 9:38AM
    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,994
    Dura_Ace said:

    algarkirk said:

    What will it be like? What are the certainties? What are the possibles? How do they resolve the social democrat v Singaporian buccaneer demands of Reform?

    It'll be brexit all over again. The fact that the Fukker program in government, much like brexit, will actually make all of the country's problems not only worse but harder to resolve will be excused by blaming it on lawyers, judges, 'woke', immigrants and the EU. Fukkerism just hasn't been tried properly yet, &c.

    In summary, it'll be Johnson to the power of Truss. Chaos, corruption, cruelty and nationalism of the most banal stripe typified by flegs. So many flegs. Every single tory on here will quite like it.
    If they wave enough flegs, particularly butchers aprons, they will be successful in the sectarian parts of Scotland.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,677
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    I just think he was too high a risk for this (Already filmed, not yet put out) series though. I think there's other people they could have got in. Galetti is familiar with the format from presenting professionals, and less haughty than I think Wareing who defo wouldn't go well with Torrode.
    Yep Greg had already been binned from inside the factory so (some) issues were already known.

    In retrospect it really is a question of wtf were you thinking when filming this series
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,230
    edited 9:43AM
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    Developing new talents rather than over-relying upon the same ones is part of what the BBC should be doing, if they were sensible.

    Wallace absolutely is not Clarkson. Clarkson's Top Gear was one of the world's, not the UK's biggest shows and exported around the planet.

    Whereas there's 'a Wallace' around the world in a plethora of Masterchef adaptions. We used to watch Masterchef Australia which again had someone in that role you describe, not a chef but a good frontman to pivot.

    Someone like him, but not him, should not be an impossible ask, unlike replacing Clarkson.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,785
    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    Disappointed with him in the same way I was disappointed with my 3 year old when she started playing up at tea time yesterday.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,359

    boulay said:

    Why is the whole masterchef, Greg, John Torode story such huge news? As I don’t watch Masterchef am I missing a huge cultural moment like the first Impressionists exhibition?

    From what I’ve heard on the radio of the Torode story calls for his resignation would be an injustice.

    It appears that 7-8 years ago he made a perceived racist remark. The accuser says it was not malicious and he apologised immediately when challenged. Torode says he has no recollection of the incident.

    Assuming the accusation is correct it seems like offence was caused, apologies were made and accepted and everyone moved on with their lives. What is the purpose of digging it up 8 years later?

    Although it's not quite on a par with making the elephant face with one's pockets and one's old boy.
    The only issue with the Greg case is that he wasn’t fired sooner.

    And why call it the “elephant face” rather than sexual harassment and/or exposing himself. You are diminishing the seriousness of Greg’s behaviour by doing that.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,707
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    Its not like with like. Its a different methodology, hence the reason the changes are quoted from GE 24 and not from the regular Find Out Now poll conducted the same day as this one. Find Out Now have not published these figures on their website.
    It might be the actual current situation and Reform might be surging to mid thirties, in which case we will see others reporting them surging again, but this isnt a like for like poll.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,270
    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    I see no liability for the BBC, unless there was a contract eff-up.

    MasterChef is produced by Banijay and Endemol Shine UK for the BBC in the UK.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,230

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,649

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    He’s put Russia on *Triple* Secret Probation
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,627

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    Probably more of a piss artist. He's got that massive kite/skinny legs combo that seems typical of the permanently drunk.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,197
    I see Donald has been heaping praise on Sir Keir while being disparaging about the pioneers of Brexit. It can't be long before the British Right sues for a MAGA divorce.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    Its not like with like. Its a different methodology, hence the reason the changes are quoted from GE 24 and not from the regular Find Out Now poll conducted the same day as this one. Find Out Now have not published these figures on their website.
    It might be the actual current situation and Reform might be surging to mid thirties, in which case we will see others reporting them surging again, but this isnt a like for like poll.
    But, equally, it’s not THAT poll with Jezbollah taken out but the same number - which is what you seem to be implying?

    Meanwhile you gov also show reform ticking up again. So this isn’t just one poll

    Eyes down. Go nigel!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    Wallace; " more cheese Gromit?"
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,297

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    Only if it's hot, gets a bit punchy if it's not.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,261
    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Why is the whole masterchef, Greg, John Torode story such huge news? As I don’t watch Masterchef am I missing a huge cultural moment like the first Impressionists exhibition?

    Because the BBC loves talking about itself.

    Good morning, everyone.
    Yesterday the first 7 minutes of the 6 o'clock news on R4 was the BBC talking about itself. Firstly, they were agonising about the Hamas propaganda video that they had shown (even although they were happy to conclude it was really someone else's fault) and then the Masterchef fiasco (which also seemed to be someone else's fault). Even by the standards of the BBC it was peak indulgence justified, apparently, by how important their reputation is.
    Still, they got an exclusive with Trump, explaining how we'd bungled Brexit, and what a good guy Starmer is...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    Probably more of a piss artist. He's got that massive kite/skinny legs combo that seems typical of the permanently drunk.
    He was a boozer but he’s now sober since he nearly died of a clutcher
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,261

    Selebian said:

    boulay said:

    Why is the whole masterchef, Greg, John Torode story such huge news? As I don’t watch Masterchef am I missing a huge cultural moment like the first Impressionists exhibition?

    From what I’ve heard on the radio of the Torode story calls for his resignation would be an injustice.

    It appears that 7-8 years ago he made a perceived racist remark. The accuser says it was not malicious and he apologised immediately when challenged. Torode says he has no recollection of the incident.

    Assuming the accusation is correct it seems like offence was caused, apologies were made and accepted and everyone moved on with their lives. What is the purpose of digging it up 8 years later?
    How can people feel better about themselves without burning a witch every day?
    I believe the PC term is "conflagrating a female-identifying occult practitioner"
    You have been cancelled for the disgusting term “occult practitioner”

    The correct term is “Wiccan faith practitioner”

    Please report to Martyrs Memorial, Oxford, for public involuntary cremation.
    If you start burning them, they'll go incognito pretty sharpish, so occult is, on balance, fine.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,953
    edited 9:52AM

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    I did say at the time the Labour revival would tee up claims by Goodwin of an even bigger Reform revival.*

    * I am not dissing a BPC registered polling genius by the way. To be clear.
    Goodwin today is attacking entryists into Reform from the old dispensation Tories like Berry, on the basis that they won't be with the low tax, small state, anti welfare agenda. He overlooks the fact, which is as plain as it is possible to be, that Reform's voters are also large state, large welfare/pensions/NHS/free stuff supporters too. It is plain that Farage has spotted this obvious truth. I don't think Goodwin is quite with the programme.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    Developing new talents rather than over-relying upon the same ones is part of what the BBC should be doing, if they were sensible.

    Wallace absolutely is not Clarkson. Clarkson's Top Gear was one of the world's, not the UK's biggest shows and exported around the planet.

    Whereas there's 'a Wallace' around the world in a plethora of Masterchef adaptions. We used to watch Masterchef Australia which again had someone in that role you describe, not a chef but a good frontman to pivot.

    Someone like him, but not him, should not be an impossible ask, unlike replacing Clarkson.
    Yes I agree. It will be tricky but certainly not impossible

    But given the BBC’s propensity for fecking things up, of late, they might easily fail
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,994

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    That would make interesting judging. Clarkson promoting traditional British cookery v Torode promoting Asian and Caribbean cookery. Hard luck if your forte is Mediterranean cookery.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,203
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
    Yes, Clarkson, and Noel Edmonds too. He's also a genius. Just look at what he's doing with that thing in New Zealand. Years off the telly, bounces back at the age of 76 with a hit show set in New Zealand. It's as if he's never been away. These guys get sneered at but it's a rare skill they have.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,707
    edited 9:57AM
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    Its not like with like. Its a different methodology, hence the reason the changes are quoted from GE 24 and not from the regular Find Out Now poll conducted the same day as this one. Find Out Now have not published these figures on their website.
    It might be the actual current situation and Reform might be surging to mid thirties, in which case we will see others reporting them surging again, but this isnt a like for like poll.
    But, equally, it’s not THAT poll with Jezbollah taken out but the same number - which is what you seem to be implying?

    Meanwhile you gov also show reform ticking up again. So this isn’t just one poll

    Eyes down. Go nigel!
    Its from the same poll, taken the same time - the twitter handle 'Stats for Lefties' who reported it has lifted the figures from the tables (which arent for some reason on FoNs website. The LBC article on the dried fruits for 15% poll states 'they draw 6% from both the Greens and Labour' which directly correlates with these figures .

    YouGov, I agree, says we should watch Reforms figure over the next couple of weeks (the proper weekly FoN also had them +1 tbf)

    Edit - be interesting whether raisin bran and the grandpa were prompted first then prompting without or vice versa
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    He'll punch your lights out if he doesn't get steak, allegedly.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,230

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,677
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    I did say at the time the Labour revival would tee up claims by Goodwin of an even bigger Reform revival.*

    * I am not dissing a BPC registered polling genius by the way. To be clear.
    Goodwin today is attacking entryists into Reform from the old dispensation Tories like Berry, on the basis that they won't be with the low tax, small state, anti welfare agenda. He overlooks the fact, which is as plain as it is possible to be, that Reform's voters are also large state, large welfare/pensions/NHS/free stuff supporters too. It is plain that Farage has spotted this obvious truth. I don't think Goodwin is quite with the programme.
    Farage wants power (although I don’t know why because grafting like Trump won’t be possible) and to do that he needs a plausible front bench which means he needs to attract Tories (of any bent) to make it looks plausible.

    No point bringing in the people Goodwin thinks are correct because that will scare the markets before the election let alone afterwards
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,203

    Just as an aside, I sometimes watched ye olde Masterchef with Lloyd Grossman[sp]. Watched a few minutes of the 'new' version and instantly disliked both the format (can't have something relaxed can we?) and Wallace irritating as hell.

    Good taste there, he is a tiresome watch. Masterchef need to have an urgent rethink on presenters. It's got stale. I'd like to see Adrian Chiles given a runout.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    The story on CNN suggests the fifty days allows Putin the time he needs to regroup and import a shed load of North Korean mercenaries and hardware.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    And here’s a poll for @algarkirk


    🚨 NEW | Reform lead by 13pts

    ➡️ REF – 34% (+19)
    🔴 LAB – 21% (-14)
    🔵 CON – 16% (-8)
    🟠 LD – 11% (-2)
    🟢 GRN – 11% (+4)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 9-10 Jul (+/- vs GE2024)

    I got all excited then I saw @findoutnowUK and then I got less excited.
    But compare like with like. Recently Findoutmadstuff have recorded Reform coming off their highs

    This shows them right back at the top end of their polling. Mid 30s. Gamechanging levels of support
    I did say at the time the Labour revival would tee up claims by Goodwin of an even bigger Reform revival.*

    * I am not dissing a BPC registered polling genius by the way. To be clear.
    Goodwin today is attacking entryists into Reform from the old dispensation Tories like Berry, on the basis that they won't be with the low tax, small state, anti welfare agenda. He overlooks the fact, which is as plain as it is possible to be, that Reform's voters are also large state, large welfare/pensions/NHS/free stuff supporters too. It is plain that Farage has spotted this obvious truth. I don't think Goodwin is quite with the programme.
    We can see with Trump that there are always a few true believers in this sort of situation that end up abandoned when the Great Leader ends up having different priorities than their most fervent acolytes.

    The question with Farage is, what are his priorities? It's obvious with Trump that he's in it for the graft first, the attention second, and he's happy for minions to pursue their own agendas.

    But Farage? I don't really know. Maybe there's some deep psychological trauma that he's hoping will be healed when he's appointed PM by KCIII?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,261
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    You should audition - what are you like on camera ?
    You can certainly ponce on about food with the best of them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,649
    Nigelb said:

    Selebian said:

    boulay said:

    Why is the whole masterchef, Greg, John Torode story such huge news? As I don’t watch Masterchef am I missing a huge cultural moment like the first Impressionists exhibition?

    From what I’ve heard on the radio of the Torode story calls for his resignation would be an injustice.

    It appears that 7-8 years ago he made a perceived racist remark. The accuser says it was not malicious and he apologised immediately when challenged. Torode says he has no recollection of the incident.

    Assuming the accusation is correct it seems like offence was caused, apologies were made and accepted and everyone moved on with their lives. What is the purpose of digging it up 8 years later?
    How can people feel better about themselves without burning a witch every day?
    I believe the PC term is "conflagrating a female-identifying occult practitioner"
    You have been cancelled for the disgusting term “occult practitioner”

    The correct term is “Wiccan faith practitioner”

    Please report to Martyrs Memorial, Oxford, for public involuntary cremation.
    If you start burning them, they'll go incognito pretty sharpish, so occult is, on balance, fine.
    The enforcement of the New Hersey Laws is not to/for/at/near/by/with/from the minorities in question.

    It is for the Performant Exultation of the High Priests.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,802
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    You should audition - what are you like on camera ?
    You can certainly ponce on about food with the best of them.
    Not sure that would be the wisest next move by the BBC.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,357

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Also note that Trump reverts to his first choice of 'very tough tariffs', which ignores (intentionally or not):

    1. That the US does very little trade with Russia so tariffs make sod all difference;
    2. That Putin won't care about the few sectors that are affected.
    3. That it'll have no impact on Russia's war-making capacity.

    If Trump was serious about being very disappointed, he'd be ramping up arms and finance supply to Ukraine, and genuine sanctions on Russia.

    What Trump is really disappointed with Putin for is that he's not with Trump's project to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,261
    The GOP vote against any move to release the Epstein files.

    House GOP blocks Dem maneuver to force release of Epstein files
    https://www.axios.com/2025/07/15/trump-epstein-khanna-doj-democrats-republicans
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
    Yes, Clarkson, and Noel Edmonds too. He's also a genius. Just look at what he's doing with that thing in New Zealand. Years off the telly, bounces back at the age of 76 with a hit show set in New Zealand. It's as if he's never been away. These guys get sneered at but it's a rare skill they have.
    I've dabbled in TV at the edge. Presented a couple of things, been on some live shows (ugh!). It is incredibly hard, you have to appear super natural, smooth, relaxed, genial - while also being funny or at least likeable and articulate - while inside every molecule is screaming FECK FECK FECK I'M ON TV

    A rare talent indeed, Sadly this talent is sometimes given to monstrous characters like Savile, and because they are so rare they can get away with horrors

    I don't believe Wallace is anywhere near this category. I feel rather sorry for him, none of his crimes seems especially outrageous, but I guess the pattern of behaviour makes it impossible for the Beeb, and fair enough
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    kinabalu said:

    Just as an aside, I sometimes watched ye olde Masterchef with Lloyd Grossman[sp]. Watched a few minutes of the 'new' version and instantly disliked both the format (can't have something relaxed can we?) and Wallace irritating as hell.

    Good taste there, he is a tiresome watch. Masterchef need to have an urgent rethink on presenters. It's got stale. I'd like to see Adrian Chiles given a runout.
    LOL

    @kinabalu 1- 0 @Leon
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,357
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
    Yes, Clarkson, and Noel Edmonds too. He's also a genius. Just look at what he's doing with that thing in New Zealand. Years off the telly, bounces back at the age of 76 with a hit show set in New Zealand. It's as if he's never been away. These guys get sneered at but it's a rare skill they have.
    Sure. But that doesn't give 'talent' a free licence to behave as they want. The BBC has more than enough experience in that department.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,802

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Yep.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Also note that Trump reverts to his first choice of 'very tough tariffs', which ignores (intentionally or not):

    1. That the US does very little trade with Russia so tariffs make sod all difference;
    2. That Putin won't care about the few sectors that are affected.
    3. That it'll have no impact on Russia's war-making capacity.

    If Trump was serious about being very disappointed, he'd be ramping up arms and finance supply to Ukraine, and genuine sanctions on Russia.

    What Trump is really disappointed with Putin for is that he's not with Trump's project to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
    The spin is that he's proposing secondary tariffs - i.e. large US tariffs on the countries still buying Russian oil and gas experts (like China, India, and some European countries), which might cut off the income Russia receives which is financing their war effort. But I don't expect it to happen.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,227

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Also note that Trump reverts to his first choice of 'very tough tariffs', which ignores (intentionally or not):

    1. That the US does very little trade with Russia so tariffs make sod all difference;
    2. That Putin won't care about the few sectors that are affected.
    3. That it'll have no impact on Russia's war-making capacity.

    If Trump was serious about being very disappointed, he'd be ramping up arms and finance supply to Ukraine, and genuine sanctions on Russia.

    What Trump is really disappointed with Putin for is that he's not with Trump's project to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
    He's proposing "secondary" tariffs - i.e. they will hit third countries trading with Russia. He's also done a deal to deliver US weapons from NATO stocks to Ukraine.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
    He punched a producer because he could. That, even to the BBC, is justifiably worse than whirling one's todger around as a fan on a warm day.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,261

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Also note that Trump reverts to his first choice of 'very tough tariffs', which ignores (intentionally or not):

    1. That the US does very little trade with Russia so tariffs make sod all difference;
    2. That Putin won't care about the few sectors that are affected.
    3. That it'll have no impact on Russia's war-making capacity.

    If Trump was serious about being very disappointed, he'd be ramping up arms and finance supply to Ukraine, and genuine sanctions on Russia.

    What Trump is really disappointed with Putin for is that he's not with Trump's project to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
    He's proposing "secondary" tariffs - i.e. they will hit third countries trading with Russia. He's also done a deal to deliver US weapons from NATO stocks to Ukraine.
    What's the likelihood of his imposing a 100% tariff on China ?

    Don't be silly.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,442

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    The story on CNN suggests the fifty days allows Putin the time he needs to regroup and import a shed load of North Korean mercenaries and hardware.
    Regroup to what end? There is plenty of chat that the North Koreans who were wiped out earlier this year were their finest special forces. Although they could send basic grunts as bullet-catchers. Putin's "summer offensive" has acquired a few more mined fields but not got close to Sumy. Meanwhile the Russian coffers are running dry and there is paranoia abounding in the Kremlin and amongst the oligarchs. Putin is esconced - but has never been more exposed.

    Trump is obviously a stooge. The least he could have done is told Putin to stop the missile barrages on civilian targets. First school or hospital or theatre or shopping mall or train or residential block that gets hit, the 100% (which should be 500%) tariffs come into effect at midnight. He has the support of Congress to deliver that. It would actually save the lives of those he so feebly professes to care about.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,707
    Paul Holloywood raw dogging Prue Leith over a rack of French trimmed chops whilst a montage plays of the ongoing struggle for equal food based rights. Thats the obvious future for Masterchef
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him

    You should audition - what are you like on camera ?
    You can certainly ponce on about food with the best of them.
    Not sure that would be the wisest next move by the BBC.
    He would fulfil the Davie/ Gibb regime right wing presenter agenda.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
    He punched a producer because he could. That, even to the BBC, is justifiably worse than whirling one's todger around as a fan on a warm day.
    A punch. Whatever. He apologised. The guy got squillions in compensation. It wasn't necrophilia

    No, the lefties at the BBC hated Clarkson and wanted him gone, it was political (TBF Clarkson did love to wind them up)

    The Woke managers got what they wanted, Clarkson went, and the BBC lost one of the most impressive talents in global TV and a massive hit show and the BBC's claim on the public now declines monthly. So they shoulda been more careful
  • eekeek Posts: 30,677

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s ludicrous to be firing someone over one alleged racist joke who then apologised . That should be the end of the matter .

    OTOH I can't believe the BBC got Wallace involved with the latest Masterchef series, I know they'll have to pay him salary till the allegations are proven (or not) one way or the other but surely sticking him on paid leave and getting say Galetti in his place to do the regular series would have been a prudent move.
    The chemistry of the show needs an Everyman character like Wallace. NOT a pro chef but someone good on camera and can be funny and puts people at ease (this is not a comment on whatever he did or didn’t do off camera)

    I’ve heard from people who work on the show that he is not just good at this but crucially good. The two chefs are lofty and superior, Wallace is a pivot between them and the contestants and the audience, Wallace enjoys food but as an amateur

    What you’re saying is like @Roger saying “oh just find a funny guy, he will replace Jeremy Clarkson, that’s Top Gear sorted”

    Gregg Wallace is not a truly big talent like Clarkson but he’s definitely a talent

    The BBC need someone like him but not him
    Does Jeremy Clarkson like food?
    The BBC can’t afford Clarkson any more. They blew it. Probably their biggest talent ever

    The viewing stats for Clarkson’s Farm are insane. I did a little deep dive yesterday on its viewership

    It’s massive in America. Also massive in Australia, NZ, Canada

    But that’s just the anglophonie. Anywhere else?

    Yes. Huge in Germany, Holland, Finland. Number 1 streamed show in Singapore. Singapore! Growing a major fan base in China

    https://awardsradar.com/2025/03/10/why-has-clarksons-farm-became-so-popular-worldwide/

    It’s the second most streamed Amazon prime show globally. And it’s about farming in chipping Norton

    Clarkson is a genius surrounded by a genius team. And the bbc just chucked him under the bus. Twats
    He punched a producer because he could. That, even to the BBC, is justifiably worse than whirling one's todger around as a fan on a warm day.
    He punched a producer the day before his contract expired. As even Jeremy said - the BBC couldn’t exactly re-employ him given that issue so he doesn’t blame the BBC.

    I suspect the millions he’s made from Amazon may slightly colour his memory but you can see why they left Top Gear - it was the perfect opportunity to do so
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,227
    edited 10:13AM
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Also note that Trump reverts to his first choice of 'very tough tariffs', which ignores (intentionally or not):

    1. That the US does very little trade with Russia so tariffs make sod all difference;
    2. That Putin won't care about the few sectors that are affected.
    3. That it'll have no impact on Russia's war-making capacity.

    If Trump was serious about being very disappointed, he'd be ramping up arms and finance supply to Ukraine, and genuine sanctions on Russia.

    What Trump is really disappointed with Putin for is that he's not with Trump's project to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
    He's proposing "secondary" tariffs - i.e. they will hit third countries trading with Russia. He's also done a deal to deliver US weapons from NATO stocks to Ukraine.
    What's the likelihood of his imposing a 100% tariff on China ?

    Don't be silly.
    It would be 100% of the value of their trade with Russia, and he may have the EU in mind more than China. It's a useful tool to coerce them to pay for the weapons that the US is giving to Ukraine.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666
    There was a Trump/Putin phone call on July 3rd in which Putin told Trump he aimed to complete the conquest of the four oblasts (Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia and Kherson) over the next 60 days.

    Yesterday, on July 14th, Trump gave Putin a 50-day deadline to reach a deal. A deadline that expires one day after Putin's 60 day summer offensive period.

    Trump just lets Putin walk over him. When was there a weaker US President?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,627
    Pulpstar said:

    Starmer is tying his fortunes to stopping asylum seekers.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1945017442180219256

    British people have every right to ask why their money is spent on asylum hotels instead of public services.

    That's why I agreed a groundbreaking pilot with France.

    For the first time, people who try to make the crossing illegally will find themselves back where they started.

    If all the boats were taken back as soon as they arrive, or mid-channel it would be a game changer. But it's going to be 50 a week at most, doubtless held up by endless legal challenges (Which Starmer won't pass the necessary primary legislation to nix); so I doubt ol' Nige of Clacton is going to be particularly worried that it'll actually work.
    We were discussing les bateaux after 5-a-side the other night. There are some scholars of refinement in that team - Little Stevie has a 100+ streak going in Wordle - but only I could come up with a solution that would work.

    The British government should get Ukrainian on their arses and outsource enforcement on the French side to the gullible and desperate. Make an account on Telegram that offers 10k EUR in BTC to anybody who fucks up a fugee boat as it leaves l'hexagone. Get some MI6 nerds to run it through a shell company in Panama or wherever. Effective. Cheap. Deniable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,826
    Right. I have an unusual commission for Basalt Bliss Magazine

    I have to do a quick history of Political Lying. What are the standout lies in politics for PBers in the last decade or two, or indeed in all of history?

    Brexit produced some corkers, on both sides. Any others?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,197

    Just as an aside, I sometimes watched ye olde Masterchef with Lloyd Grossman[sp]. Watched a few minutes of the 'new' version and instantly disliked both the format (can't have something relaxed can we?) and Wallace irritating as hell.

    The old Masterchef could be quite brutal as I recall - seeing some hapless amateur cook being absolutely crushed as Grossman proclaimed his boredom with mousses.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,261

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    Also note that Trump reverts to his first choice of 'very tough tariffs', which ignores (intentionally or not):

    1. That the US does very little trade with Russia so tariffs make sod all difference;
    2. That Putin won't care about the few sectors that are affected.
    3. That it'll have no impact on Russia's war-making capacity.

    If Trump was serious about being very disappointed, he'd be ramping up arms and finance supply to Ukraine, and genuine sanctions on Russia.

    What Trump is really disappointed with Putin for is that he's not with Trump's project to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
    He's proposing "secondary" tariffs - i.e. they will hit third countries trading with Russia. He's also done a deal to deliver US weapons from NATO stocks to Ukraine.
    What's the likelihood of his imposing a 100% tariff on China ?

    Don't be silly.
    It would be 100% of the value of their trade with Russia, and he may have the EU in mind more than China. It's a useful tool to coerce them to pay for the weapons that the US is giving to Ukraine.
    You should change your avatar to a pretzel.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,020
    Leon said:

    Right. I have an unusual commission for Basalt Bliss Magazine

    I have to do a quick history of Political Lying. What are the standout lies in politics for PBers in the last decade or two, or indeed in all of history?

    Brexit produced some corkers, on both sides. Any others?

    "There are no American tanks in Baghdad"
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,197
    Leon said:

    Right. I have an unusual commission for Basalt Bliss Magazine

    I have to do a quick history of Political Lying. What are the standout lies in politics for PBers in the last decade or two, or indeed in all of history?

    Brexit produced some corkers, on both sides. Any others?

    'I did not have sex with that woman.' Both the Clinton and Boris variants?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,040

    kinabalu said:

    I see banner headlines today announcing that Donald Trump is 'disappointed' with Vladimir Putin. Very poignant. I'm disappointed in both of them quite frankly.

    "I am disappointed in Vladimir Putin so I am giving him 50 days to take as much of Ukraine as he can before making a peace deal based around all those advances Russia has made into Ukraine in those 50 days. Good luck Vlad."
    As if anything is going to happen after 50 days, how many deadlines have been set that have come and gone.

    The same nearly happened with Iran, but Israel called his bluff and when the deadline elapsed they stepped in - had they not done so, it would have been on the never never like it is with Russia.
    What are you suggesting? Putin attacks Ukraine with fire and fury so Trump has to join the pro Putin coalition with more fire and fury. Granted, that should get the war finished quickly
    I'm suggesting TACO will stand back and do bugger all

    50 days will come and go and nothing will happen. Putin is too weak to force a victory in Ukraine, Trump is too chicken to stand up to Putin, so the war will still be going.
    The story on CNN suggests the fifty days allows Putin the time he needs to regroup and import a shed load of North Korean mercenaries and hardware.
    Regroup to what end? There is plenty of chat that the North Koreans who were wiped out earlier this year were their finest special forces. Although they could send basic grunts as bullet-catchers. Putin's "summer offensive" has acquired a few more mined fields but not got close to Sumy. Meanwhile the Russian coffers are running dry and there is paranoia abounding in the Kremlin and amongst the oligarchs. Putin is esconced - but has never been more exposed.

    Trump is obviously a stooge. The least he could have done is told Putin to stop the missile barrages on civilian targets. First school or hospital or theatre or shopping mall or train or residential block that gets hit, the 100% (which should be 500%) tariffs come into effect at midnight. He has the support of Congress to deliver that. It would actually save the lives of those he so feebly professes to care about.
    Would you ever have told your boss "to stop the missile barrages on civilian targets"? No, there would have been repurcussions.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,707
    Leon said:

    Right. I have an unusual commission for Basalt Bliss Magazine

    I have to do a quick history of Political Lying. What are the standout lies in politics for PBers in the last decade or two, or indeed in all of history?

    Brexit produced some corkers, on both sides. Any others?

    Darren Jones' 'mostly women and babies'
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,666
    Leon said:

    Right. I have an unusual commission for Basalt Bliss Magazine

    I have to do a quick history of Political Lying. What are the standout lies in politics for PBers in the last decade or two, or indeed in all of history?

    Brexit produced some corkers, on both sides. Any others?

    British only, Anglophone, or worldwide?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,203
    Further to Clarkson v Edmonds, both are top tier but Edmonds is literally half Clarkson's size. So pound for pound he's better.
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