To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
Hang on, where am I impugning anybody's sincerity?
This is just an exercise to see if the view that uni is no longer worth it is evidenced by PBers steering their 16/17 year old children (or nieces and nephews) away from going.
That's all. There's no finger pointing or snark here. It's research.
The more I think about it, the more I think the anger will be the reverse of what you and others have expressed. It won't be that the middle classes tell others not to go to uni (whilst telling their own kids to go), it will be that middle class parents will have the confidence to tell their kids to swerve uni. You've got to be quite gutsy to go against the orthodoxy and the anger will be that it's the working classes who are the mugs.
Actually its already happening to some extent. Sharp elbowed middle class parents are pushing little Johnny towards the better Degree Apprenticeships that offer a good salary from fairly early on.
I suspect degree apprenticeships are a decent way forward. Some of the university benefits with none of the debt.
I don't believe that is what the PB Russell Group elitists are driving at. Keep the remaining universities "clean" for Tarquin to get his law degree and pupillage whilst Chardonnay (who otherwise would have read for a media studies degree at Worcester) starts on the bin lorry NVQ straight after her A level exams
Aren't Degree Apprenticeships just what we used to call Sandwich Courses reinvented?
A well educated population is the key to both economic growth and civilised society. All our economic competitors have similar numbers going on to Tertiary education. Our problem is to do with quality of the course, not capability of the students.
We are not going to get a booming economy from apprentices in nail bars and tattooing.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
Hang on, where am I impugning anybody's sincerity?
This is just an exercise to see if the view that uni is no longer worth it is evidenced by PBers steering their 16/17 year old children (or nieces and nephews) away from going.
That's all. There's no finger pointing or snark here. It's research.
The more I think about it, the more I think the anger will be the reverse of what you and others have expressed. It won't be that the middle classes tell others not to go to uni (whilst telling their own kids to go), it will be that middle class parents will have the confidence to tell their kids to swerve uni. You've got to be quite gutsy to go against the orthodoxy and the anger will be that it's the working classes who are the mugs.
Actually its already happening to some extent. Sharp elbowed middle class parents are pushing little Johnny towards the better Degree Apprenticeships that offer a good salary from fairly early on.
I suspect degree apprenticeships are a decent way forward. Some of the university benefits with none of the debt.
I don't believe that is what the PB Russell Group elitists are driving at. Keep the remaining universities "clean" for Tarquin to get his law degree and pupillage whilst Chardonnay (who otherwise would have read for a media studies degree at Worcester) starts on the bin lorry NVQ straight after her A level exams
Degree Apprenticeships are harder to get into than Oxbridge or a medical degree - there simply isn't anywhere near enough to go around..
The weather forecasts for northern Scandinavia currently look unbelievable - literally - low 20sC scorchio sun symbols with no cloud predicted for a week and no rain for ten days.
Those BBC future forecasts are, as I know from home, not reliable and likely to change at a moment’s notice; I will believe such a long spell of uninterrupted sunshine up here when I see it. So far, today is delivering, with just a few strands of wispy high cloud and a gentle breeze compared to yesterday.
Still super hot at home? I see every weather station in Skye set a new max temperature record over the weekend.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
Hang on, where am I impugning anybody's sincerity?
This is just an exercise to see if the view that uni is no longer worth it is evidenced by PBers steering their 16/17 year old children (or nieces and nephews) away from going.
That's all. There's no finger pointing or snark here. It's research.
The more I think about it, the more I think the anger will be the reverse of what you and others have expressed. It won't be that the middle classes tell others not to go to uni (whilst telling their own kids to go), it will be that middle class parents will have the confidence to tell their kids to swerve uni. You've got to be quite gutsy to go against the orthodoxy and the anger will be that it's the working classes who are the mugs.
Actually its already happening to some extent. Sharp elbowed middle class parents are pushing little Johnny towards the better Degree Apprenticeships that offer a good salary from fairly early on.
I suspect degree apprenticeships are a decent way forward. Some of the university benefits with none of the debt.
I don't believe that is what the PB Russell Group elitists are driving at. Keep the remaining universities "clean" for Tarquin to get his law degree and pupillage whilst Chardonnay (who otherwise would have read for a media studies degree at Worcester) starts on the bin lorry NVQ straight after her A level exams
Aren't Degree Apprenticeships just what we used to call Sandwich Courses reinvented?
A well educated population is the key to both economic growth and civilised society. All our economic competitors have similar numbers going on to Tertiary education. Our problem is to do with quality of the course, not capability of the students.
We are not going to get a booming economy from apprentices in nail bars and tattooing.
Nope a sandwich course was / is 2 years in uni, 1 year in placement, final year in uni
Degree Apprenticeship is 4-5 year degree where you work 4 days a week and do uni on the other day..
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
Hang on, where am I impugning anybody's sincerity?
This is just an exercise to see if the view that uni is no longer worth it is evidenced by PBers steering their 16/17 year old children (or nieces and nephews) away from going.
That's all. There's no finger pointing or snark here. It's research.
The more I think about it, the more I think the anger will be the reverse of what you and others have expressed. It won't be that the middle classes tell others not to go to uni (whilst telling their own kids to go), it will be that middle class parents will have the confidence to tell their kids to swerve uni. You've got to be quite gutsy to go against the orthodoxy and the anger will be that it's the working classes who are the mugs.
Actually its already happening to some extent. Sharp elbowed middle class parents are pushing little Johnny towards the better Degree Apprenticeships that offer a good salary from fairly early on.
I suspect degree apprenticeships are a decent way forward. Some of the university benefits with none of the debt.
I don't believe that is what the PB Russell Group elitists are driving at. Keep the remaining universities "clean" for Tarquin to get his law degree and pupillage whilst Chardonnay (who otherwise would have read for a media studies degree at Worcester) starts on the bin lorry NVQ straight after her A level exams
Aren't Degree Apprenticeships just what we used to call Sandwich Courses reinvented?
A well educated population is the key to both economic growth and civilised society. All our economic competitors have similar numbers going on to Tertiary education. Our problem is to do with quality of the course, not capability of the students.
We are not going to get a booming economy from apprentices in nail bars and tattooing.
BS courses like Classics?
I have ceded to the wisdom of the PB RefConners. University Education outside an apprenticeship framework should only be for posh people. If we kick out the hoi-poloi it could be returned to the 7% elite where it belongs and we could return it to a public funded model so Tarquin doesn't incur a debt. We don't want students incurring a debt seems to be a justification to stop all but the wealthiest children attending university.
By not going to university the less wealthy are deprived of the networking opportunities afforded to the remainder who are allowed to go. I don't see it as benevolence by the PB wealthy, more "a stay in your lane, peasants" warning. And I know my place.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
Hang on, where am I impugning anybody's sincerity?
This is just an exercise to see if the view that uni is no longer worth it is evidenced by PBers steering their 16/17 year old children (or nieces and nephews) away from going.
That's all. There's no finger pointing or snark here. It's research.
The more I think about it, the more I think the anger will be the reverse of what you and others have expressed. It won't be that the middle classes tell others not to go to uni (whilst telling their own kids to go), it will be that middle class parents will have the confidence to tell their kids to swerve uni. You've got to be quite gutsy to go against the orthodoxy and the anger will be that it's the working classes who are the mugs.
Actually its already happening to some extent. Sharp elbowed middle class parents are pushing little Johnny towards the better Degree Apprenticeships that offer a good salary from fairly early on.
I suspect degree apprenticeships are a decent way forward. Some of the university benefits with none of the debt.
I don't believe that is what the PB Russell Group elitists are driving at. Keep the remaining universities "clean" for Tarquin to get his law degree and pupillage whilst Chardonnay (who otherwise would have read for a media studies degree at Worcester) starts on the bin lorry NVQ straight after her A level exams
Aren't Degree Apprenticeships just what we used to call Sandwich Courses reinvented?
A well educated population is the key to both economic growth and civilised society. All our economic competitors have similar numbers going on to Tertiary education. Our problem is to do with quality of the course, not capability of the students.
We are not going to get a booming economy from apprentices in nail bars and tattooing.
Nope a sandwich course was / is 2 years in uni, 1 year in placement, final year in uni
Degree Apprenticeship is 4-5 year degree where you work 4 days a week and do uni on the other day..
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
Hang on, where am I impugning anybody's sincerity?
This is just an exercise to see if the view that uni is no longer worth it is evidenced by PBers steering their 16/17 year old children (or nieces and nephews) away from going.
That's all. There's no finger pointing or snark here. It's research.
The more I think about it, the more I think the anger will be the reverse of what you and others have expressed. It won't be that the middle classes tell others not to go to uni (whilst telling their own kids to go), it will be that middle class parents will have the confidence to tell their kids to swerve uni. You've got to be quite gutsy to go against the orthodoxy and the anger will be that it's the working classes who are the mugs.
Actually its already happening to some extent. Sharp elbowed middle class parents are pushing little Johnny towards the better Degree Apprenticeships that offer a good salary from fairly early on.
I suspect degree apprenticeships are a decent way forward. Some of the university benefits with none of the debt.
I don't believe that is what the PB Russell Group elitists are driving at. Keep the remaining universities "clean" for Tarquin to get his law degree and pupillage whilst Chardonnay (who otherwise would have read for a media studies degree at Worcester) starts on the bin lorry NVQ straight after her A level exams
Degree Apprenticeships are harder to get into than Oxbridge or a medical degree - there simply isn't anywhere near enough to go around..
My neighbours daughter is at the end of her first year degree apprecticeship at Babcocks in Bristol. Definitely the way to go if you can get one but bloody hard work. Effectively doing a full time job and a full time degree at the same time.
The weather forecasts for northern Scandinavia currently look unbelievable - literally - low 20sC scorchio sun symbols with no cloud predicted for a week and no rain for ten days.
Those BBC future forecasts are, as I know from home, not reliable and likely to change at a moment’s notice; I will believe such a long spell of uninterrupted sunshine up here when I see it. So far, today is delivering, with just a few strands of wispy high cloud and a gentle breeze compared to yesterday.
Still super hot at home? I see every weather station in Skye set a new max temperature record over the weekend.
My experience of Norway is that, as far as the clear blue skies go, that is not that dofferent from normal. Whenever I used to fly into Hammerfest from the Barents Sea in the summer I was always amazed at how cloudless the skies seemed. Not generally that warm though.
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A well educated population is the key to both economic growth and civilised society. All our economic competitors have similar numbers going on to Tertiary education. Our problem is to do with quality of the course, not capability of the students.
We are not going to get a booming economy from apprentices in nail bars and tattooing.
Those BBC future forecasts are, as I know from home, not reliable and likely to change at a moment’s notice; I will believe such a long spell of uninterrupted sunshine up here when I see it. So far, today is delivering, with just a few strands of wispy high cloud and a gentle breeze compared to yesterday.
Still super hot at home? I see every weather station in Skye set a new max temperature record over the weekend.
Degree Apprenticeship is 4-5 year degree where you work 4 days a week and do uni on the other day..
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I have ceded to the wisdom of the PB RefConners. University Education outside an apprenticeship framework should only be for posh people. If we kick out the hoi-poloi it could be returned to the 7% elite where it belongs and we could return it to a public funded model so Tarquin doesn't incur a debt. We don't want students incurring a debt seems to be a justification to stop all but the wealthiest children attending university.
By not going to university the less wealthy are deprived of the networking opportunities afforded to the remainder who are allowed to go. I don't see it as benevolence by the PB wealthy, more "a stay in your lane, peasants" warning. And I know my place.