Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
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Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
Have you read the Guardian's poll ?
58% to 62% of EU nations say the UK must be part of all the blocks policy areas !!!
If the UK ever rejoins the EU (and I hope it does), we would almost certainly not be required to join Schengen or the Euro. A poll isn't going to change that.
Then the EU will not agree much as you hope
Maybe ignoring a poll you do not like !!!!
It's a poll of hypotheticals. Until everyone knows what any rejoin terms might be these polls matter not a jot.
We are out, we have left. The end- for my lifetime anyway.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Do you realise how annoying it is when you post that 9 years on?
Why ?
Well it hasn't gone particularly to plan under Starmer has it, and as the dial has moved back towards rejoin (something I don't advocate by the way) it is rather unhelpful.
Have you read the Guardian's poll on this I published earlier?
The nuanced description goes something like this, I reckon.
The public have fairly solidly decided that Brexit has been a failure. (61-13 is pretty solid, is it not?) We're not yet ready to embrace any sort of course-change. It's too embarrassing and we're really hoping that there is a cake'n'eat it deal hiding somewhere. Meanwhile the figures from the continent are more Britain-friendly than I'd have expected, even for reverting to the 2016 status quo.
Whilst that continues, the pong will continue to stink out British politics, however much nobody really wants to talk about it.
Well that's your interpretation isn't it deary, which I'm not sure anyone familiar with your oeuvre would be shocked to read.
You celebrate that just 13% of Britons think Brexit a success - to be less dreary? You don't think this should call for some reflection on the part of those promoting this failure?
This Labour Govt. barely has polling above 13% thinking it successful. I guess it is stinking out British politics?
Response just a teeny bit desperate methinks.
Serious point... Given approximately everyone does think Brexit a failure, how are we going to get out of the mess? That really isn't clear.
How does that failure express itself? Many of us think it a failure in terms of lost opportunity - but would bnever return to what prevailed before.
The EU has learned no obvious lessons on why we turned out back on their Project. But I guess you think that is me being desperate....
No not this time. But Brexiteers have also learnt no lessons on why their project failed so badly. And that point is more relevant to us now.
That's not true - Brexit supporters have absolutely learned both the what and the who. And those learnings will become very relevant when this walking plague of a Government is happily behind us.
Complaining about driveway and saying "learnings" is an odd combo.
I agree. I hate the word. Tends to be something I hear professionally. Can't edit it. Don't think I mean lessons. Perhaps 'That knowledge'.
That includes considering launching a new generation of public private partnerships, which the government hopes could be used to fund the new neighbourhood health centres, that are at the heart of Wes Streeting’s 10-year plan for the NHS.
Jones insists these will be narrower and less complex than the controversial projects launched through the private finance initiative (PFI) under New Labour, some of which have saddled operators with hefty bills.
“We are not doing PFI. We’re not doing that, these very complicated contracts. We’re not talking about hospitals or schools or prisons or anything like that.” But he added: “If there’s an innovative way of delivering a key objective for us, that’s what we’re trying to make happen.”
For the same reason, he is a keen advocate of the wider use of AI in government, though he insists it must be “an enabling tool, not a replacement” for civil servants.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Do you realise how annoying it is when you post that 9 years on?
Why ?
Well it hasn't gone particularly to plan under Starmer has it, and as the dial has moved back towards rejoin (something I don't advocate by the way) it is rather unhelpful.
Have you read the Guardian's poll on this I published earlier?
The nuanced description goes something like this, I reckon.
The public have fairly solidly decided that Brexit has been a failure. (61-13 is pretty solid, is it not?) We're not yet ready to embrace any sort of course-change. It's too embarrassing and we're really hoping that there is a cake'n'eat it deal hiding somewhere. Meanwhile the figures from the continent are more Britain-friendly than I'd have expected, even for reverting to the 2016 status quo.
Whilst that continues, the pong will continue to stink out British politics, however much nobody really wants to talk about it.
Well that's your interpretation isn't it deary, which I'm not sure anyone familiar with your oeuvre would be shocked to read.
The Blessed Margaret on personal insults applies.
I wasn't aware I'd made a personal insult, but by all means infer one if you wish.
Are you unaware when you are being rude? I suspect "deary" and "anyone familiar with your oeuvre would be shocked to read" were tart barbs.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Do you realise how annoying it is when you post that 9 years on?
Why ?
Well it hasn't gone particularly to plan under Starmer has it, and as the dial has moved back towards rejoin (something I don't advocate by the way) it is rather unhelpful.
Have you read the Guardian's poll on this I published earlier?
The nuanced description goes something like this, I reckon.
The public have fairly solidly decided that Brexit has been a failure. (61-13 is pretty solid, is it not?) We're not yet ready to embrace any sort of course-change. It's too embarrassing and we're really hoping that there is a cake'n'eat it deal hiding somewhere. Meanwhile the figures from the continent are more Britain-friendly than I'd have expected, even for reverting to the 2016 status quo.
Whilst that continues, the pong will continue to stink out British politics, however much nobody really wants to talk about it.
Well that's your interpretation isn't it deary, which I'm not sure anyone familiar with your oeuvre would be shocked to read.
The Blessed Margaret on personal insults applies.
I wasn't aware I'd made a personal insult, but by all means infer one if you wish.
Are you unaware when you are being rude? I suspect "deary" and "anyone familiar with your oeuvre would be shocked to read" were tart barbs.
The suggestion that someone is posting in line with their political views as opposed to offering insightful commentary (which I was making, correct) is not a personal insult.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
🤫
Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
Have you read the Guardian's poll ?
58% to 62% of EU nations say the UK must be part of all the blocks policy areas !!!
If the UK ever rejoins the EU (and I hope it does), we would almost certainly not be required to join Schengen or the Euro. A poll isn't going to change that.
Then the EU will not agree much as you hope
Maybe ignoring a poll you do not like !!!!
It's a poll of hypotheticals. Until everyone knows what any rejoin terms might be these polls matter not a jot.
We are out, we have left. The end- for my lifetime anyway.
Well, I still hope to see us rejoin. Having said that, I’m not feeling too well these days!
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
🤫
Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
Have you read the Guardian's poll ?
58% to 62% of EU nations say the UK must be part of all the blocks policy areas !!!
If the UK ever rejoins the EU (and I hope it does), we would almost certainly not be required to join Schengen or the Euro. A poll isn't going to change that.
Then the EU will not agree much as you hope
Maybe ignoring a poll you do not like !!!!
It's a poll of hypotheticals. Until everyone knows what any rejoin terms might be these polls matter not a jot.
We are out, we have left. The end- for my lifetime anyway.
Well, I still hope to see us rejoin. Having said that, I’m not feeling too well these days!
May you live for decades, and never see the UK rejoin the EU.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
🤫
Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
Have you read the Guardian's poll ?
58% to 62% of EU nations say the UK must be part of all the blocks policy areas !!!
If the UK ever rejoins the EU (and I hope it does), we would almost certainly not be required to join Schengen or the Euro. A poll isn't going to change that.
Then the EU will not agree much as you hope
Maybe ignoring a poll you do not like !!!!
It's a poll of hypotheticals. Until everyone knows what any rejoin terms might be these polls matter not a jot.
We are out, we have left. The end- for my lifetime anyway.
Well, I still hope to see us rejoin. Having said that, I’m not feeling too well these days!
Just as a matter interest are you or your wife affected by the heat ?
My wife and I do struggle in these high temperatures and keep out of the sun
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
🤫
Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
Have you read the Guardian's poll ?
58% to 62% of EU nations say the UK must be part of all the blocks policy areas !!!
If the UK ever rejoins the EU (and I hope it does), we would almost certainly not be required to join Schengen or the Euro. A poll isn't going to change that.
Then the EU will not agree much as you hope
Maybe ignoring a poll you do not like !!!!
It's a poll of hypotheticals. Until everyone knows what any rejoin terms might be these polls matter not a jot.
We are out, we have left. The end- for my lifetime anyway.
Well, I still hope to see us rejoin. Having said that, I’m not feeling too well these days!
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
🤫
Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
Have you read the Guardian's poll ?
58% to 62% of EU nations say the UK must be part of all the blocks policy areas !!!
If the UK ever rejoins the EU (and I hope it does), we would almost certainly not be required to join Schengen or the Euro. A poll isn't going to change that.
Then the EU will not agree much as you hope
Maybe ignoring a poll you do not like !!!!
It's a poll of hypotheticals. Until everyone knows what any rejoin terms might be these polls matter not a jot.
We are out, we have left. The end- for my lifetime anyway.
Well, I still hope to see us rejoin. Having said that, I’m not feeling too well these days!
Just as a matter interest are you or your wife affected by the heat ?
My wife and I do struggle in these high temperatures and keep out of the sun
Hope you have good days
Mrs C, being originally from Lancashire, finds both the heat and the lack of rain a little debilitating. I spent my childhood in Essex so don’t find this weather too unusual.
To come back from losing the French Open after having 3 match points shows a huge strength of character . Well done Sinner .
I love the story they told early in the week of just how angry Sinner got a losing that final.
At the French Open, there was a big jar of sweets in the player reception they had to pass to get to the changing rooms. After each match until the final, Sinner would potter past, grab a handful of sweets to eat on the journey back to his hotel.
Upon losing the final, he came out of the changing room, picked up the whole jar and walked off.
Just had my busiest Sunday since Christmas. I delivered 122 parcels, all for Amazon
I wish Amazon would use my postie for deliveries. At least he knows where I live. Instead they seem to use guys who range all over the Midlands and beyond, so it's hardly surprising they can't find an obscure worker's cottage just off a B-road but not actually visible from it.
The lack of realism by Rejoiners in thinking we will be welcomed back into the EU with open arms is breathtaking.
A complete failure to engage with the massive task ahead of convincing a) Brussels b) the EU capitals and c) the British electorate that it would be worth anybody's effort to reopen that wound.
Needs to be done before we are down the toilet
I've always found the enthusiasm for the EU in Scotland to be a bit baffling. It's everything (and more) that Scotland has wrestled with with the UK.
Wales seemed to become an official 'twee place' under the EU.
Who knows. But first things first and repelling the Trump is the next order of business.
If you think Scotland’s relationship with the EU would involve even more wrestling than the current one with the UK, no wonder you’re baffled.
‘Now is not the time for you to decide whether you want to continue your membership of this very special union, we’ll let you know when you have our permission.’
Well I'll stay baffled then. No doubt if wiser heads say I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
If I was Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish I'd be banging the Union drum as hard as I could though.
Just had my busiest Sunday since Christmas. I delivered 122 parcels, all for Amazon
I wish Amazon would use my postie for deliveries. At least he knows where I live. Instead they seem to use guys who range all over the Midlands and beyond, so it's hardly surprising they can't find an obscure worker's cottage just off a B-road but not actually visible from it.
Our new postman has been dumping all the post he can't find the addresses for through the front door of our flats. I've been delivering it around the neighboorhood. I don't know where some of these addresses are but I'm not lazy.
Filled out the Royal Mail online complaints form on Friday. We await developments...
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
I am amazed that she has ever played chess. She seems unable to think more than one move ahead.
I've noticed that chess has a semi-mystical aura. To those who can't see the result of an action. to people who think the world simply *takes* their actions, the idea of action and reaction endlessly repeated is something magical.
I was taught chess by John Herivel - who loved to point out its flaws as a model for thinking.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Occasionally, my A-level students ask me for vocational advice. They must look at me and think this bloke is doing all right for himself, he must know something. Not realising that I have spent my entire adult life falling arse backwards into money via various inheritances.
I always tell them to go to university, study something that interests them and don't waste their time, money or energy with alcohol.
I took only the first piece of that advice, and yes I'd probably have done well to have complied with all of it.
Didn't pick a subject that interested me. Didn't stay clear of excessive alcohol consumption.
Where were you when I needed you?
I wouldn't be advising anyone to go to university unless they were very clear where it was taking them. £50k plus of debt is a lot for dabbling in a subject because it interests you. If I had sons rather than daughters I'd be advising them to learn a trade. But it doesn't really seem a thing that girls do.
So, brass tacks, are you in actual fact planning to steer your kids away from uni?
This is what we're looking for, me and TUD and MexPete. An affluent, middle-class PBer who's walking the walk as well as talking the talk.
Could you be the one who steps up and delivers?
Well: 1: oldest child is pretty bright and considering medicine (specifically, child psychiatry). Medicine strikes me as a good career, and she seems to me likely to succeed, and there doesn't seem to me any alternative to that. So in her case, no I won't be seekinh to dissuade her. 2: but in the case of the other two, unless they can come up with a convincing life plan with a reason for taking on £50k of debt, yes, I'll be encouraging them to explore options at age 18 which aren't university. And definitely don't go to uni and study some generic subject like geography like I did: work out what career you want before committing to spending vast amounts on the necessary education. I'm doing this not out of idealism but because university is a very expensive and in most cases unnecessary luxury, and I would not expect it to make most people better off.
My steer on this however will only be light: by 18 they are almost adults and their life choices will be largely their own.
What about if one of them wants to be a geography teacher or professor, or a career as a cartogropher say?
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
I am amazed that she has ever played chess. She seems unable to think more than one move ahead.
She simply cannot stop spending
Will the same people who were hammering Rishi’s plan to invest in chess also be mocking this?
What's bizarre about Reeves and Sunak is both claim to be brilliant chess players and yet it's clear both are totally incapable of thinking more than one move ahead.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
I am amazed that she has ever played chess. She seems unable to think more than one move ahead.
She simply cannot stop spending
Will the same people who were hammering Rishi’s plan to invest in chess also be mocking this?
What's bizarre about Reeves and Sunak is both claim to be brilliant chess players and yet it's clear both are totally incapable of thinking more than one move ahead.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
I am amazed that she has ever played chess. She seems unable to think more than one move ahead.
She simply cannot stop spending
Will the same people who were hammering Rishi’s plan to invest in chess also be mocking this?
Good question mate, we could check by analysing their social media. However, perhaps this shouldn't really be the preserve of politicians and would be better off being run by the king and queen in the castle or perhaps the bishops instead.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed 17th century Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_Manor
Occasionally, my A-level students ask me for vocational advice. They must look at me and think this bloke is doing all right for himself, he must know something. Not realising that I have spent my entire adult life falling arse backwards into money via various inheritances.
I always tell them to go to university, study something that interests them and don't waste their time, money or energy with alcohol.
I took only the first piece of that advice, and yes I'd probably have done well to have complied with all of it.
Didn't pick a subject that interested me. Didn't stay clear of excessive alcohol consumption.
Where were you when I needed you?
I wouldn't be advising anyone to go to university unless they were very clear where it was taking them. £50k plus of debt is a lot for dabbling in a subject because it interests you. If I had sons rather than daughters I'd be advising them to learn a trade. But it doesn't really seem a thing that girls do.
So, brass tacks, are you in actual fact planning to steer your kids away from uni?
This is what we're looking for, me and TUD and MexPete. An affluent, middle-class PBer who's walking the walk as well as talking the talk.
Could you be the one who steps up and delivers?
Well: 1: oldest child is pretty bright and considering medicine (specifically, child psychiatry). Medicine strikes me as a good career, and she seems to me likely to succeed, and there doesn't seem to me any alternative to that. So in her case, no I won't be seekinh to dissuade her. 2: but in the case of the other two, unless they can come up with a convincing life plan with a reason for taking on £50k of debt, yes, I'll be encouraging them to explore options at age 18 which aren't university. And definitely don't go to uni and study some generic subject like geography like I did: work out what career you want before committing to spending vast amounts on the necessary education. I'm doing this not out of idealism but because university is a very expensive and in most cases unnecessary luxury, and I would not expect it to make most people better off.
My steer on this however will only be light: by 18 they are almost adults and their life choices will be largely their own.
What about if one of them wants to be a geography teacher or professor, or a career as a cartogropher say?
I’d suggest: do what they fancy, enjoy it, make friends and connections that will last for life, and then think about what to do next.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
I am amazed that she has ever played chess. She seems unable to think more than one move ahead.
She simply cannot stop spending
Will the same people who were hammering Rishi’s plan to invest in chess also be mocking this?
Good question mate, we could check by analysing their social media. However, perhaps this shouldn't really be the preserve of politicians and would be better off being run by the king and queen in the castle or perhaps the bishops instead.
Occasionally, my A-level students ask me for vocational advice. They must look at me and think this bloke is doing all right for himself, he must know something. Not realising that I have spent my entire adult life falling arse backwards into money via various inheritances.
I always tell them to go to university, study something that interests them and don't waste their time, money or energy with alcohol.
I took only the first piece of that advice, and yes I'd probably have done well to have complied with all of it.
Didn't pick a subject that interested me. Didn't stay clear of excessive alcohol consumption.
Where were you when I needed you?
I wouldn't be advising anyone to go to university unless they were very clear where it was taking them. £50k plus of debt is a lot for dabbling in a subject because it interests you. If I had sons rather than daughters I'd be advising them to learn a trade. But it doesn't really seem a thing that girls do.
So, brass tacks, are you in actual fact planning to steer your kids away from uni?
This is what we're looking for, me and TUD and MexPete. An affluent, middle-class PBer who's walking the walk as well as talking the talk.
Could you be the one who steps up and delivers?
Well: 1: oldest child is pretty bright and considering medicine (specifically, child psychiatry). Medicine strikes me as a good career, and she seems to me likely to succeed, and there doesn't seem to me any alternative to that. So in her case, no I won't be seekinh to dissuade her. 2: but in the case of the other two, unless they can come up with a convincing life plan with a reason for taking on £50k of debt, yes, I'll be encouraging them to explore options at age 18 which aren't university. And definitely don't go to uni and study some generic subject like geography like I did: work out what career you want before committing to spending vast amounts on the necessary education. I'm doing this not out of idealism but because university is a very expensive and in most cases unnecessary luxury, and I would not expect it to make most people better off.
My steer on this however will only be light: by 18 they are almost adults and their life choices will be largely their own.
What about if one of them wants to be a geography teacher or professor, or a career as a cartogropher say?
I’d suggest: do what they fancy, enjoy it, make friends and connections that will last for life, and then think about what to do next.
Plus do some sports and extra curricular activities to show you are a 'team player' which so many companies and firms seem to want from their graduates.
Unless you want to be a Professor or commercial barrister or maybe a senior civil servant a first class degree even from Oxbridge alone is not a passport to a top career
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
I am amazed that she has ever played chess. She seems unable to think more than one move ahead.
She simply cannot stop spending
Will the same people who were hammering Rishi’s plan to invest in chess also be mocking this?
Good question mate, we could check by analysing their social media. However, perhaps this shouldn't really be the preserve of politicians and would be better off being run by the king and queen in the castle or perhaps the bishops instead.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
Yes, he really is a hateful chancer. And that isn't the worst of it. The Desmond business should have seen his career both as a politician and a barrister under scrutiny. I suspect if you or I used our (imaginary) political office to save Richard Desmond £50million or thereabouts from a local authority tax bill we would be discussing the issue with plod.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Having played chess at a young age, I know the transformational impact it can have on young people. That's why today we're allocating £1.5m to help identify, support, and elevate top-tier players who have the potential to compete at a global level.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
Given most of the Reform voters he would be trying to win over to the Tories hated lockdown that wouldn't necessarily be fatal to him
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
It is however comparatively unusual for them to be utter scumbags. Blair, who hid it well, Wilson, who was slightly fortunate in his timing, Lloyd George due to unusual circumstances and perhaps Churchill, by a whisker.*
After that I'm actually struggling. Most Prime Ministers are of course as you say, not saints but that's different from being genuinely dreadful human beings in the way Jenrick is. Such people tend to rather put voters off.
*Autocorrect changed that to 'by a whiskey,' which still worked but wasn't what I meant.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
Given most of the Reform voters he would be trying to win over to the Tories hated lockdown that wouldn't necessarily be fatal to him
Which is no argument against my comment that he is a scumbag.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
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Yes, he really is a hateful chancer. And that isn't the worst of it. The Desmond business should have seen his career both as a politician and a barrister under scrutiny. I suspect if you or I used our (imaginary) political office to save Richard Desmond £50million or thereabouts from a local authority tax bill we would be discussing the issue with plod.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
He reminds me of Leon Brittan, whom I found utterly slimy and repulsive.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
Given most of the Reform voters he would be trying to win over to the Tories hated lockdown that wouldn't necessarily be fatal to him
It is water long travelled under the bridge, but for Reform lockdown naysayers, their house arrest whilst Jenrick came and went from London to Leominster and back as he desired, if reminded, probably won't go down well. Painting over cartoon characters at a children's asylum centre might be a point of redemption though.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
That doesn't excuse him breaking lockdown - twice - to travel between his various homes. All the more so after he was urging people to obey lockdown.
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
Given most of the Reform voters he would be trying to win over to the Tories hated lockdown that wouldn't necessarily be fatal to him
It is water long travelled under the bridge, but for Reform lockdown naysayers, their house arrest whilst Jenrick came and went from London to Leominster and back as he desired, if reminded, probably won't go down well. Painting over cartoon characters at a children's asylum centre might be a point of redemption though.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
It is however comparatively unusual for them to be utter scumbags. Blair, who hid it well, Wilson, who was slightly fortunate in his timing, Lloyd George due to unusual circumstances and perhaps Churchill, by a whisker.*
After that I'm actually struggling. Most Prime Ministers are of course as you say, not saints but that's different from being genuinely dreadful human beings in the way Jenrick is. Such people tend to rather put voters off.
*Autocorrect changed that to 'by a whiskey,' which still worked but wasn't what I meant.
I am sure Boris will be delighted he is not in your 'utter scumbag' category
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
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Yes, he really is a hateful chancer. And that isn't the worst of it. The Desmond business should have seen his career both as a politician and a barrister under scrutiny. I suspect if you or I used our (imaginary) political office to save Richard Desmond £50million or thereabouts from a local authority tax bill we would be discussing the issue with plod.
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Even worse if you overclaimed benefits by £50.
He seems to be seen as a future leader by Cameron and Osborne though
'Busy day in Mayfair, my spies tell me.
Hear David Cameron, George Osborne and Deripaska’s old mate Lord Barker lunching Robert Jenrick
Only to find Nigel Farage, Nick Candy and Bear Grylls at a nearby table.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
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Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
I'm at a loss as to what the problem is with Schengen? Every argument I've see seems to be based on a misunderstanding over what Schengen actually is..
Especially since just a few weeks back I drove from Netherlands to Germany, and had to drive slowly past German customs officers who were pulling random vehicles aside, and had the same experience driving from Germany to Denmark - it is clearly possible to mount border checks within Schengen, if there is reason and will to do so.
I used to go with a client from Austria to Munich by car. We always went in a company car (with stickers) rather than the driver's personal one as he was Indian and they routinely stopped him. The car was bought after the second time he was stopped.
Got to say anyone who got the Austria Lithuania border during winter got a bad posting - it was at the top of a mountain pass.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
It is however comparatively unusual for them to be utter scumbags. Blair, who hid it well, Wilson, who was slightly fortunate in his timing, Lloyd George due to unusual circumstances and perhaps Churchill, by a whisker.*
After that I'm actually struggling. Most Prime Ministers are of course as you say, not saints but that's different from being genuinely dreadful human beings in the way Jenrick is. Such people tend to rather put voters off.
*Autocorrect changed that to 'by a whiskey,' which still worked but wasn't what I meant.
I am sure Boris will be delighted he is not in your 'utter scumbag' category
I don’t think he has the patience or energy to be a genuine scumbag. He’s just an unpleasant buffoon.
I’m intrigued that you think he is an ‘utter scumbag’ though. Damascene conversion?
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed 17th century Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_Manor
Not at all, his getting the leadership simply swings the focus back onto Tory integrity, probity and honesty. Which they need like (another) hole in the head.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
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Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
I'm at a loss as to what the problem is with Schengen? Every argument I've see seems to be based on a misunderstanding over what Schengen actually is..
Especially since just a few weeks back I drove from Netherlands to Germany, and had to drive slowly past German customs officers who were pulling random vehicles aside, and had the same experience driving from Germany to Denmark - it is clearly possible to mount border checks within Schengen, if there is reason and will to do so.
I used to go with a client from Austria to Munich by car. We always went in a company car (with stickers) rather than the driver's personal one as he was Indian and they routinely stopped him. The car was bought after the second time he was stopped.
Got to say anyone who got the Austria Lithuania border during winter got a bad posting - it was at the top of a mountain pass.
Austria borders Lithuania? Who knew
If an aircraft crashes on the Austria-Lithuania border, where are the survivors buried?
Isn't Leominster the location of his Wife's family's mansion?
For those who don't remember, during the Covid pandemic he decided to ignore lockdown and travel between his various homes.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
'He is an utter scumbag', perhaps he might be ruthless enough to win a general election then? Certainly general election winners are by no means all Saints.
It is however comparatively unusual for them to be utter scumbags. Blair, who hid it well, Wilson, who was slightly fortunate in his timing, Lloyd George due to unusual circumstances and perhaps Churchill, by a whisker.*
After that I'm actually struggling. Most Prime Ministers are of course as you say, not saints but that's different from being genuinely dreadful human beings in the way Jenrick is. Such people tend to rather put voters off.
*Autocorrect changed that to 'by a whiskey,' which still worked but wasn't what I meant.
I am sure Boris will be delighted he is not in your 'utter scumbag' category
I don’t think he has the patience or energy to be a genuine scumbag. He’s just an unpleasant buffoon.
I’m intrigued that you think he is an ‘utter scumbag’ though. Damascene conversion?
No I don't think that, 'unpleasant buffoon' is a relative complement for him coming from you
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend and apologise that I have. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
Yes 'Asked whether Britain should be allowed back in on the conditions it enjoyed when it left, however, including not having to adopt the euro currency and remaining outside the Schengen passport-free zone, the numbers changed significantly.
Barely one-fifth of respondents across the four biggest EU members, from 19% in Italy and France to 21% in Spain and 22% in Germany, felt the UK should be allowed to return to the bloc on those terms, with 58-62% saying it must be part of all main EU policy areas.
The pollster stress-tested western European attitudes by asking whether, if the UK was only willing to rejoin the EU on condition it could keep its old opt-outs, it should be allowed to. Some (33-36%) felt this would be acceptable, but more (41-52%) were opposed.
In the UK, while 54% of Britons supported rejoining the EU when asked the question in isolation, the figure fell to just 36% if rejoining meant giving up previous opt-outs. On those terms, 45% of Britons opposed renewed membership. The survey found that remain voters and those who backed more pro-EU parties would still broadly back rejoining if this meant adopting the euro and being part of the Schengen area, albeit at much lower rates.
Almost 60% of remain voters said they would support rejoining the EU without the previous opt-outs, down about 25 percentage points from the non-specific question, as would 58% of Labour voters (-23 points) and 49% of Liberal Democrats (-31 points). The percentage of Eurosceptic voters willing to rejoin without the previous special treatment more or less halved, falling from 21% to 10% among leave voters; 25% to 12% among Conservative voters, and 15% to 9% among Reform UK supporters.
The fifth continental European country polled, Denmark, proved an outlier. Respondents there were very keen (72%) for the UK to rejoin, and more enthusiastic than larger member states about it keeping its previous opt-outs (43%).'
Shows rejoining EFTA and the EEA may a realistic prospect in 10 or 20 years but not rejoining the full EU
Also shows the generational damage that your party’s frothy-mouthed obsession has done to our national prospects.
Leave 52% Remain 48%
Rejoin 61% Don’t rejoin 39%
🤫
Rejoin 36% Don't Rejoin 45% is what today's Guardian poll has it if Rejoin requires the Euro and Schengen
Which it wouldn't.
I'm at a loss as to what the problem is with Schengen? Every argument I've see seems to be based on a misunderstanding over what Schengen actually is..
Especially since just a few weeks back I drove from Netherlands to Germany, and had to drive slowly past German customs officers who were pulling random vehicles aside, and had the same experience driving from Germany to Denmark - it is clearly possible to mount border checks within Schengen, if there is reason and will to do so.
I used to go with a client from Austria to Munich by car. We always went in a company car (with stickers) rather than the driver's personal one as he was Indian and they routinely stopped him. The car was bought after the second time he was stopped.
Got to say anyone who got the Austria Lithuania border during winter got a bad posting - it was at the top of a mountain pass.
Austria borders Lithuania? Who knew
If an aircraft crashes on the Austria-Lithuania border, where are the survivors buried?
Well there will be plenty of space to do so survivor or not.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I find this topic odd. Like, why do you doubt everyone's sincerity? I thought the left hate the grad tax? Yes, we agree!
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I wouldn't say I've failed, ony that I've not succeeded yet. My oldest is only 15, the other two younger. We'll see where we are in 3, 5 and 8 years' time.
To those wanting someone prepared to walk the walk, my nieces are nine and six. Unless they want to be doctors, dentists, engineers etc., I shall be telling them not to go to university.
Nice try but sorry - has to be your kids and in the here and now rather than many years hence.
Thanks for that. That there are no children at my end is part of my reasoning. Have a good evening.
I didn't mean to offend. Just the 2nd point then. It's years away at those ages.
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
I wouldn't say I've failed, ony that I've not succeeded yet. My oldest is only 15, the other two younger. We'll see where we are in 3, 5 and 8 years' time.
Ignore the criticism. The thing to say to your eldest is:
1) You've got to really want to be a doctor to be a doctor. It will involve having some of the hardest conversations possible. 2) It's hard work. 3) They don't get paid mega bucks (see strike action) and won't necessarily offset the grad tax.
Well, I put a tenner on England to win the test against India when we were 185-9. I got 7/2 and it's now 6/4 so I've got the value if not necessarily the result.
Mrs Stodge will enjoy a fish and chip supper if the England bowlers do their bit.
Well, I put a tenner on England to win the test against India when we were 185-9. I got 7/2 and it's now 6/4 so I've got the value if not necessarily the result.
Mrs Stodge will enjoy a fish and chip supper if the England bowlers do their bit.
They seem terrible odds. I think Cricviz (whose model I don't trust when inplay) started with England only having if I remember correctly 15% chance of winning. Chasing down even large totals at Lords has been a common factor in the modern era.
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Jones insists these will be narrower and less complex than the controversial projects launched through the private finance initiative (PFI) under New Labour, some of which have saddled operators with hefty bills.
“We are not doing PFI. We’re not doing that, these very complicated contracts. We’re not talking about hospitals or schools or prisons or anything like that.” But he added: “If there’s an innovative way of delivering a key objective for us, that’s what we’re trying to make happen.”
For the same reason, he is a keen advocate of the wider use of AI in government, though he insists it must be “an enabling tool, not a replacement” for civil servants.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/13/darren-jones-labour-treasury-chief-secretary-child-poverty-plan
I'm pretty sure this was authorised.
https://x.com/RachelReevesMP/status/1944447747957850512
My wife and I do struggle in these high temperatures and keep out of the sun
Hope you have good days
I missed that referendum.
‘Humanitarian city’ would be concentration camp for Palestinians, says former Israeli PM
Ehud Olmert says forcing people into camp would be ethnic cleansing, and anger at Israel over Gaza war is not all down to antisemitism
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/13/israel-humanitarian-city-rafah-gaza-camp-ehud-olmert
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/mens-england-twenty20/table
At the French Open, there was a big jar of sweets in the player reception they had to pass to get to the changing rooms. After each match until the final, Sinner would potter past, grab a handful of sweets to eat on the journey back to his hotel.
Upon losing the final, he came out of the changing room, picked up the whole jar and walked off.
If I was Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish I'd be banging the Union drum as hard as I could though.
Filled out the Royal Mail online complaints form on Friday. We await developments...
I was taught chess by John Herivel - who loved to point out its flaws as a model for thinking.
More amusingly, he criticised the Reform candidate at the last election for living in Gedling, just outside the Newark constituency.
He is an utter scumbag.
How come this postie has not seen a penny of this supposed largesse?
Jenrick has a home in his Newark constituency, the main Jenrick family home is grade 1 listed 17th century Eye Manor in Herefordshire, so of course it is hardly surprising he spends many Sundays there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_Manor
Unless you want to be a Professor or commercial barrister or maybe a senior civil servant a first class degree even from Oxbridge alone is not a passport to a top career
And you can win elections without being an utter scumbag if you have any other redeeming factors. Sadly he doesn't.
The closest analogy I can think of to Jenrick is that other utter slimeball, Bercow.
After that I'm actually struggling. Most Prime Ministers are of course as you say, not saints but that's different from being genuinely dreadful human beings in the way Jenrick is. Such people tend to rather put voters off.
*Autocorrect changed that to 'by a whiskey,' which still worked but wasn't what I meant.
Richard Desmond.
I often wonder whether they tell the little dragons what Saint George did to the dragon..
Yes, he really is a hateful chancer. And that isn't the worst of it. The Desmond business should have seen his career both as a politician and a barrister under scrutiny. I suspect if you or I used our (imaginary) political office to save Richard Desmond £50million or thereabouts from a local authority tax bill we would be discussing the issue with plod.
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Even worse if you overclaimed benefits by £50.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/02/nigel-farages-brexit-party-to-rebrand-as-anti-lockdown-reform-uk-13518802/
"The Brexit Party has applied to the Electoral Commission to change its name to Reform UK, in a bid to re-brand as an anti-lockdown movement."
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Even worse if you overclaimed benefits by £50.
He seems to be seen as a future leader by Cameron and Osborne though
'Busy day in Mayfair, my spies tell me.
Hear David Cameron, George Osborne and Deripaska’s old mate Lord Barker lunching Robert Jenrick
Only to find Nigel Farage, Nick Candy and Bear Grylls at a nearby table.
Jacob Rees Mogg also in the same restaurant'
https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1932505206752743533
I’m intrigued that you think he is an ‘utter scumbag’ though. Damascene conversion?
Cookie, despite his excellent answer, also fails. It's only with his eldest child where it's a 'here and now' matter, and she is going to uni with his blessing.
A team of construction workers in China operating excavators remotely.
https://x.com/orikron/status/1944472389649412487
1) You've got to really want to be a doctor to be a doctor. It will involve having some of the hardest conversations possible.
2) It's hard work.
3) They don't get paid mega bucks (see strike action) and won't necessarily offset the grad tax.
But I know you will have done so.
Well, I put a tenner on England to win the test against India when we were 185-9. I got 7/2 and it's now 6/4 so I've got the value if not necessarily the result.
Mrs Stodge will enjoy a fish and chip supper if the England bowlers do their bit.