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Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,567
edited July 10 in General
Hypothetical polls are still bobbins – politicalbetting.com

18% of Britons say they are likely to consider voting for a new left-wing party led by Jeremy CorbynHowever, this is less than would consider voting for the existing major parties and has caveats… ?yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    edited July 10
    Have we had any update on the Communist Marxist Socialist Eco Workers in Solidarity with Palestinians Party?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,095
    The Corbynites willing to vote Tory or Reform, and vice versa are the sort of people that defy analysis.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,967
    Third like Kemi
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,715
    Foxy said:

    The Corbynites willing to vote Tory or Reform, and vice versa are the sort of people that defy analysis.

    Given how many times Corbyn voted Tory those voters are just following the great man's lead.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,961
    I like England’s tactics of putting Crawley and Duckett in first to lull the opposition into a false sense of security before bring in the batsmen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451

    I like England’s tactics of putting Crawley and Duckett in first to lull the opposition into a false sense of security before bring in the batsmen.

    Crawley has to be dropped.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,517


    Surely the choice of the word “consider” doesn’t help. “considering” doesn’t just mean that you are considering positively - it could also be “yes, I considered voting for Corbyn and my consideration was that there is no way in hell I would vote for him.”

    How many people did they ask if they had considered Corbyn weren’t viewing considering as maybe voting for him but just being normal and looking at all options and writing off a number of them immediately.

    Would it be better to have asked “on a scale of one to ten would you possibly vote for Jeremy Corbyn”.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,753
    49 overs must be near enough the fewest overs ever bowled in a non rain affected test before tea. Surely a big fine and points deduction for India incoming.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,185
    I'm hard pressed to spot the precipitous drop-off (in March 2018?) TSE mentions - it seems to be a pretty constant decline.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,642
    Pulpstar said:

    49 overs must be near enough the fewest overs ever bowled in a non rain affected test before tea. Surely a big fine and points deduction for India incoming.

    In the 2nd Test England had bowled 53 overs by Tea, and in the 1st Test it was 51 overs.

    I don't think 49 overs is likely to be unprecedented.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,715
    edited July 10
    sarissa said:

    I'm hard pressed to spot the precipitous drop-off (in March 2018?) TSE mentions - it seems to be a pretty constant decline.

    I think I should be clearer, his ratings had been lower before but recovered but they never really recovered after Salisbury and eventually saw him become the worst ever LOTO in Ipsos history at that point.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,298

    I like England’s tactics of putting Crawley and Duckett in first to lull the opposition into a false sense of security before bring in the batsmen.

    Crawley has to be dropped.
    Half a dozen times and he might make twenty.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,298
    That Labour still top that poll despite everything is a sign that all is far from over.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,185

    sarissa said:

    I'm hard pressed to spot the precipitous drop-off (in March 2018?) TSE mentions - it seems to be a pretty constant decline.

    I think I should be clearer, his ratings had been lower before but recovered but they never really recovered after Salisbury and eventually saw him become the worst ever LOTO in Ipsos history at that point.
    Not surprising considering he was being constantly monstered by virtually the entire mainstream media and a substantial section of his own party.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718
    Need a century from Brook
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,881

    Have we had any update on the Communist Marxist Socialist Eco Workers in Solidarity with Palestinians Party?

    I believe it is called the Parliamentary Labour Party.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    Amazing ride from the British Irish rider to win the stage in the Tour de France.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    sarissa said:

    sarissa said:

    I'm hard pressed to spot the precipitous drop-off (in March 2018?) TSE mentions - it seems to be a pretty constant decline.

    I think I should be clearer, his ratings had been lower before but recovered but they never really recovered after Salisbury and eventually saw him become the worst ever LOTO in Ipsos history at that point.
    Not surprising considering he was being constantly monstered by virtually the entire mainstream media and a substantial section of his own party.
    For good reason.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”
  • novanova Posts: 856
    dixiedean said:

    That Labour still top that poll despite everything is a sign that all is far from over.

    I'm surprised they're not still strong favourites for most seats at the next GE.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    dixiedean said:

    That Labour still top that poll despite everything is a sign that all is far from over.

    On one hand very true, on the other they are the only party with 'prepared to consider' below their 2024 vote
    Suggests a tight fight ahead though despite current poling
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    They will never cut anything
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,614

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    Modifying the scheme itself would be a good first step.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,167

    I like England’s tactics of putting Crawley and Duckett in first to lull the opposition into a false sense of security before bring in the batsmen.

    Crawley has to be dropped.
    A couple of times each innings to consistently score runs.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    carnforth said:

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    Modifying the scheme itself would be a good first step.
    Even confirming a review
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    Brook broke
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,753
    Here's Stokes. God only knows why he's batting higher than Smith at the moment though.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Macron bargaining him down to literally one in one out and a couple billion for the trouble
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    Good job England bat deep.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718
    Pulpstar said:

    Here's Stokes. God only knows why he's batting higher than Smith at the moment though.

    India pinning us back very successfully. We’ll be lucky to get 350 here
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,881

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,618

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    On now on Sky
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,881

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Macron bargaining him down to literally one in one out and a couple billion for the trouble
    You are interpreting exactly as Beth Rigby said you would.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    Labour taking mayoralty votes back to SV from 2027
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    edited July 10
    BBC were reporting they might not come to an final agreement this week, another agreement to talk about an agreement.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,618
    Root now only 121 runs off moving up to third-place all time leading test run scorer. 210 runs off second.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,613
    edited July 10
    Forget it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,961
    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    And an undertaking not to continue making better champagne in Sussex than they make in France.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626

    Labour taking mayoralty votes back to SV from 2027

    Per todays devolution and community bill
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,517
    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    I think I would take a Monaco style relationship with France over the existing one with the UK at the moment.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Macron bargaining him down to literally one in one out and a couple billion for the trouble
    You are interpreting exactly as Beth Rigby said you would.
    Im predictable and I know it
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,881

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Macron bargaining him down to literally one in one out and a couple billion for the trouble
    You are interpreting exactly as Beth Rigby said you would.
    Im predictable and I know it
    Fair play to her. She called you right.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    They will never cut anything
    Certainly not my tax bill.

    Between the PLP and Lord Computer Says Its Illegal Under International Law, difficult to see what reforms they can achieve.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Macron bargaining him down to literally one in one out and a couple billion for the trouble
    You are interpreting exactly as Beth Rigby said you would.
    Im predictable and I know it
    Fair play to her. She called you right.
    She's trapped one of the greats, journalism awards await her
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,881

    Labour taking mayoralty votes back to SV from 2027

    Johnson changed it for the win. They are all at it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718
    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    We have agreed on certain things. We are of like mind on the things.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,684

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Wouldn't it be better to have it as a simple stipend, so that the recipient could choose between using it for Uber or towards a car payment?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Royalty still matters abroad - Macron thanking the King for the state visit.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,475

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    Is that within government remit? My understanding (likely wrong!) is that people who qualify for relevant benefits can choose to hand those over to Motability for a car. If so, the problem is surely around qualification for benefits, not that the money can be spent on a Motability vehicle.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,043
    rcs1000 said:

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Wouldn't it be better to have it as a simple stipend, so that the recipient could choose between using it for Uber or towards a car payment?
    That way school/healthcare/younameit vouchers lie.

    And no bad thing.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,475
    edited July 10
    rcs1000 said:

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Wouldn't it be better to have it as a simple stipend, so that the recipient could choose between using it for Uber or towards a car payment?
    I thought this was the case (although you can have it paid direct to Motability, perhaps?). As noted above, I'm probably wrong.

    ETA: Anecdotally I know people who have eschewed the Motability offerings - due to lack of flexibility in that - and done a DIY solution, while receiving relevant benefits
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,138
    Foxy said:

    The Corbynites willing to vote Tory or Reform, and vice versa are the sort of people that defy analysis.

    Being kind I guess we could call it extremely open minded.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,171

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Hmmmm there is a thought I am probably eligible now
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    As ever, the translator is doing a really good job here, translating French into English in real time (assuming he hasn't seen a speech in advance).

    It's quite a skill. Without wanting to cue Leon, I wonder how well AI would do the speech-to-French-text-to-English-text-then-speak-with-nuances-in-real-time? It's more complex than basic translation.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718

    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
    Shut up, weirdo
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,475
    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
    And @HYUFD !!!!!!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
    Shut up, weirdo
    LOL. The way you've lived your life, and *you* call others 'weirdo' ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Macron still talking about the two-state solution.

    Still IMO the 'best' way forwards - even if increasingly difficult.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
    We get to rent back Old King Cole though. That carve out is required
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,138
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
    Farage just has to keep going for a few miles more on that 'spot the migrants' boat of his. Instead, disappointingly, he keeps turning round and coming back.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
    We get to rent back Old King Cole though. That carve out is required
    One in one out....Old King Cole in, Roger Out....suits both parties.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
    Farage just has to keep going for a few miles more on that 'spot the migrants' boat of his. Instead, disappointingly, he keeps turning round and coming back.
    HMS Spiv out on patrol, bluebirds over the white cliffs. England Englanding
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,580

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    And an undertaking not to continue making better champagne in Sussex than they make in France.
    Last minute change that it has to be 5000 in, 50 back, from the French negotiators.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,919
    dixiedean said:

    That Labour still top that poll despite everything is a sign that all is far from over.

    Agree. But overall the % figures are both very consistent (except Tories who look out of it for the time being) and very low indeed. All parties should find this a bit troubling.

    I regret having to make Leon's head explode and ears go to sleep but Labour being only a few points behind the least worst in GE polling + being least worst party for the % of people who would consider voting for them means they are faves (just) for most seats next time and slightly stronger faves for leading next government.

    This is not an exciting prospect.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    The International Rescue Committee, the international aid charity run by former Labour cabinet minster David Miliband, has also condemned the plan. Flora Alexander, the IRC’s UK director, said:

    This agreement marks yet another step in the wrong direction – doubling down on deterrence rather than offering meaningful protection. Prioritising tougher enforcement without creating safe, legal routes is both dangerous and ineffective. Evidence shows that these policies don’t stop people from seeking safety – they simply force them into more perilous journeys, putting lives at risk.

    Proposals such as a ‘one-in, one-out’ scheme risk undermining the right to seek asylum, a core principle of international law. They ignore the root causes of why people cross borders in the first place – to escape conflict, persecution and crisis. Border security must not come at the expense of human rights or the UK’s moral and legal obligations.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    Care4Calais, a refugee charity, has condemned the ‘one in, one out’ deal that has just been announced. It says:

    A grubby deal between two Governments that trades human lives. A deal that will likely be expensive, will make life harder for people who seek safety in the UK, but will do nothing to tackle the root cause of crossings - a lack of safe routes
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,095
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Starmer Macron conference at 15.30

    Now 16.00

    Still waiting at 16.24

    Starmer's haggling him down from handing over Kent and Sussex in exchange for the Bayeux Tapestry to just Kent. With an option on the Channel Islands.
    If we chuck in Essex then the French get Farage. And Patel. And Badenoch. This is worth considering...
    Plus, it would present Andrew Rosindell with an impossible choice. Does he accept that Romford is part of London, or become a Frenchman?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,844
    rcs1000 said:

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Wouldn't it be better to have it as a simple stipend, so that the recipient could choose between using it for Uber or towards a car payment?
    Indeed this is what happens. If you get higher level mobility PIP you can keep the cash, or hand it over to Motability. Of course some people need to be transported in a wheelchair so a Corsa won't always do.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    edited July 10

    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR

    BBC called it right. They will come back with bigger demands and before you know it Starmer has agreed to pay another billion quid and Jersey is part of France.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,138
    edited July 10
    boulay said:


    Surely the choice of the word “consider” doesn’t help. “considering” doesn’t just mean that you are considering positively - it could also be “yes, I considered voting for Corbyn and my consideration was that there is no way in hell I would vote for him.”

    How many people did they ask if they had considered Corbyn weren’t viewing considering as maybe voting for him but just being normal and looking at all options and writing off a number of them immediately.

    Would it be better to have asked “on a scale of one to ten would you possibly vote for Jeremy Corbyn”.

    Yes, that 'consider' is not adding anything and actually risks muddying the waters.

    Eg with me. Every GE I consider all the political parties. I look at their values, key policies, read the manifestos, of course I do. It's called due diligence. Respect for our democratic process demands no less.

    Only after all of this do I feel comfortable making up my mind to vote Labour.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,602
    12 out of 10 for using the word Bobbins
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
    Shut up, weirdo
    LOL. The way you've lived your life, and *you* call others 'weirdo' ?

    @TSE’s ban on harsh insults is bearing fruit. A month ago I’d have launched a Putin style assault of cuss-drones at you, F bombing all over the oblast

    Now I’m only allowed to call you a “weirdo” yet that is oddly satisfying. Probably because you are a weirdo

    Weirdo
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,493
    rcs1000 said:

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Wouldn't it be better to have it as a simple stipend, so that the recipient could choose between using it for Uber or towards a car payment?
    The alternative is cash, they get a reduction in their payments if they take a car.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,919

    Care4Calais, a refugee charity, has condemned the ‘one in, one out’ deal that has just been announced. It says:

    A grubby deal between two Governments that trades human lives. A deal that will likely be expensive, will make life harder for people who seek safety in the UK, but will do nothing to tackle the root cause of crossings - a lack of safe routes

    The root cause of crossings for those with a legitimate claim for asylum is in most cases the quality of governance and peace keeping in their home countries. If the UN was any use this would be its primary concern.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,614
    Stick 5% VAT on motability cars and see what happens. Then 10. Then 15.

    At 20% VAT its leases will be no cheaper than ordinary ones and it can stick to its original job of providing modified or special vehicles.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
    Shut up, weirdo
    LOL. The way you've lived your life, and *you* call others 'weirdo' ?

    @TSE’s ban on harsh insults is bearing fruit. A month ago I’d have launched a Putin style assault of cuss-drones at you, F bombing all over the oblast

    Now I’m only allowed to call you a “weirdo” yet that is oddly satisfying. Probably because you are a weirdo

    Weirdo
    Okay, I'll bite. What about me, or the way I live, do you think classifies me as a 'weirdo' ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,254
    "((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is (one of) the classic problems with this government. The return agreement with France is a small but positive step. But it's been so over-spun with the "one in one out" nonsense, by the end of today it's going to look like another huge policy failure."

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1943221077292765233
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718

    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR

    Oh god. He hasn’t actually got any agreement at all, yet?

    He is so dismally wet
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,617

    Care4Calais, a refugee charity, has condemned the ‘one in, one out’ deal that has just been announced. It says:

    A grubby deal between two Governments that trades human lives. A deal that will likely be expensive, will make life harder for people who seek safety in the UK, but will do nothing to tackle the root cause of crossings - a lack of safe routes

    If the policy gets off the ground then it might make some not risk the journey if they have family members in the UK .
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,192

    Care4Calais, a refugee charity, has condemned the ‘one in, one out’ deal that has just been announced. It says:

    A grubby deal between two Governments that trades human lives. A deal that will likely be expensive, will make life harder for people who seek safety in the UK, but will do nothing to tackle the root cause of crossings - a lack of safe routes

    Well, that makes me more positive about the deal... ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    Leon said:

    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR

    Oh god. He hasn’t actually got any agreement at all, yet?

    He is so dismally wet
    Got an agreement to try to agree an agreement....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    nico67 said:

    Care4Calais, a refugee charity, has condemned the ‘one in, one out’ deal that has just been announced. It says:

    A grubby deal between two Governments that trades human lives. A deal that will likely be expensive, will make life harder for people who seek safety in the UK, but will do nothing to tackle the root cause of crossings - a lack of safe routes

    If the policy gets off the ground then it might make some not risk the journey if they have family members in the UK .
    Rwanda was a better policy
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,626
    edited July 10
    Find Out Now with the populist right mega surge

    Find Out Now voting intention:
    🟦 Reform UK: 31% (+1)
    🔴 Labour: 22% (-)
    🔵 Conservatives: 19% (+3)
    🟠 Lib Dems: 13% (-2)
    🟢 Greens: 9% (-2)

    Changes from 2nd July
    [Find Out Now, 9th July, N=2,651]
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,451
    What's the betting the likes of Care4Calais already have the lawyers on the blower about forming legal challenges.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,614
    Leon said:

    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR

    Oh god. He hasn’t actually got any agreement at all, yet?

    He is so dismally wet
    ECHR aside, the question is whether France has the right to sign this under EU law.

    Any ECHR issues would surely affect both the UK and France.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,617

    nico67 said:

    Care4Calais, a refugee charity, has condemned the ‘one in, one out’ deal that has just been announced. It says:

    A grubby deal between two Governments that trades human lives. A deal that will likely be expensive, will make life harder for people who seek safety in the UK, but will do nothing to tackle the root cause of crossings - a lack of safe routes

    If the policy gets off the ground then it might make some not risk the journey if they have family members in the UK .
    Rwanda was a better policy
    The problem with Rwanda is that no genuine asylum seekers would be processed and the backlog could have become much worse .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,718

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
    Shut up, weirdo
    LOL. The way you've lived your life, and *you* call others 'weirdo' ?

    @TSE’s ban on harsh insults is bearing fruit. A month ago I’d have launched a Putin style assault of cuss-drones at you, F bombing all over the oblast

    Now I’m only allowed to call you a “weirdo” yet that is oddly satisfying. Probably because you are a weirdo

    Weirdo
    Okay, I'll bite. What about me, or the way I live, do you think classifies me as a 'weirdo' ?
    The fact you even have to ask that is proof you’re a weirdo

    Weirdo
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,139
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR

    Oh god. He hasn’t actually got any agreement at all, yet?

    He is so dismally wet
    ECHR aside, the question is whether France has the right to sign this under EU law.

    Any ECHR issues would surely affect both the UK and France.
    Macron is really going on the attack over Brexit

  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,618
    Leon said:

    Macron

    This pilot framework will be decided once the legal issues are resolved and agreed in the EU

    So not agreed yet

    Hello ECHR

    Oh god. He hasn’t actually got any agreement at all, yet?

    He is so dismally wet
    Well on the basis that every single 'deal' Starmer agrees is worse than no deal at all, this can only be a good thing, or at least a bad thing deferred.
    Of course the 'deal' will be shit for Britain when it comes.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,517
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No details. Usually an ominous sign with Sir Keir Traitor

    Give it a rest. They way you continually talk this country down, you are a bit rich throwing 'traitor' around.
    Shut up, weirdo
    LOL. The way you've lived your life, and *you* call others 'weirdo' ?

    @TSE’s ban on harsh insults is bearing fruit. A month ago I’d have launched a Putin style assault of cuss-drones at you, F bombing all over the oblast

    Now I’m only allowed to call you a “weirdo” yet that is oddly satisfying. Probably because you are a weirdo

    Weirdo
    Don’t forget there is always “ninny” to wield if someone is being a massive twit.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,227
    rcs1000 said:

    Stephen Timms - “There are no plans to review the (Motability) Scheme’s qualifying benefits.”

    That really is a nonsense. A couple of years ago waiting for my car to be serviced at Sytner BMW in Cardiff (it was still under a gratis service package- I'm not mad) there was a big Motability sign in the showroom.

    A Motability car should be restricted to a basic Corsa and none of your fancy metallic colours.
    Wouldn't it be better to have it as a simple stipend, so that the recipient could choose between using it for Uber or towards a car payment?
    A large car, or at least boot, is sometimes required to carry a wheelchair or scooter.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,881
    Afternoon all :)

    The question here in my sanctum sanctorum in East London is whether any new anti-Labour party on the "left" will be able to mobilise a single slate of candidates for next year's London local elections. We also have a Mayoral election where Labour, presumably not putting up Roksana Fiaz, could be vulnerable to a "local" candidate from the Newham Independents (Mehmood Mirza perhaps?), backed by any anti-Labour party led by Corbyn and Sultana.

    A single anti-Labour slate of candidates could do very well in the Muslim areas of Newham leaving the Greens in Stratford but whether that would be enough to deprive Labour of a majority on the Council is debatable.

    My mainly Hindu ward usually gets the Labour candidates home with 65% of the vote. Labour hold off the Newham Independents in the Beckton and Little Ilford contests two weeks after the GE but the latter was aided by a spoiler put in by a friend of Labour (supposedly) so we could see similar local spoiler candidates suddenly appear next May.

    All very interesting...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,254
    "Britain is living beyond its means
    No party looks truly ready to confront tax-resistant voters with some hard questions
    Robert Shrimsley" (£)

    https://www.ft.com/content/adfd7fe4-d06e-40e3-a26c-a80828dc2fb4
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