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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,801

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    Barnett has been promoted to R4’s Today programme which as far as the BBC is concerned is very much the news, though I have ma doots. Barnett’s chortling and gurgling certainly contributes to those doubts.
    Heard an hilarious interview on PM yesterday by Evan Davies of the representative of the Residential Doctors, as we are now supposed to call them.

    He said that "you've used RPI to calculate the shortfall since 2008, why have you not used CPI like everyone else?"
    The answer was, well the government uses RPI for their student loans.
    Not because this gives a higher figure then? What would it be for CPI? "I don't have the figures"
    You must have calculated this to make sure it was not higher? Err, don't have the figures
    It would be about 10% less, yes?
    Why 2008? Peak payment before the financial crash since which many people have suffered a reduction in earnings in real terms?
    Hourly rates quoted: Yes, but that only applies to 1st years doesn't it? Which is about 11% of your membership?
    With the increase this year your wages are up 29% in 3 years. How do you think your public sector colleagues getting 3-4% a year feel about that?

    All perfectly politely. Not aggressive at all. But a complete demolition of their case as presented in just a few minutes. Proper journalism.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,599

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Chris Mason really is dopey:

    "It's being called a "one-in-one" out deal, although the numbers will be greater than that."

    Yes, Chris. That's what one-in-one-out means. Christ.

    Beth Speech-Impediment was on Sky and explained the potential deal with some unexpected clarity. She said the deal should be good for Starmer, but his critics will misrepresent the "one in one out" condition.
    Yes, they'll be a lot of that.

    I hope it works.

    Although, to expand it to unlimited returns - and therefore to Stop The Boats (and hence the one-in-one-out), the French will insist we agree a long term deal to take some migrants. Otherwise we'll end up with 0 asylum seekers, and France is never going to allow that.
    Well, no, we will have all the asylum seekers that do not cross by boat (60 to 70,000) plus any returned boat crossers one for one with French processed asylees
    Looks like almost all irregular arrivals are by boat now:



    Though 40000 people already here on visas claimed asylum last year too. Including 16000 students.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217
    Andy_JS said:

    Crawley goes for 18. Disastrous start for England.

    Another one caught behind. What is it with Nitish's bowling today?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,694
    Magnificent spectacle at Lord’s in the sun. Shame about the cricket
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,896

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    I live in rural Cumberland. a couple of weeks ago I was passing through Victoria station and nipped into WHSmith's there. Before me were hundreds and hundreds of magazines, weekly and monthly, all of which I manage without, each with a massive number of pages. Every page, presumably was written by someone. This must furnish almost an infinity of opportunity, but with the downside that almost all of it is boringly specialist or boringly vapid.

    While it would be fun to be the Economist's person in Washington, there must be less demand to be space fillers for the rest. Who on earth would want to do it instead of a proper job?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Elon Haters gettin riled up on Reddit

    Oh god, is Donald Trump doing Reddit now?

    The guy never seems to be offline.
    I've been on all morning. Where have you been? You only seem to arrive with @Leon. Were you playing golf together?
    Yep, and I caught him cheating again. He takes after the Big Man in more ways than one.
    Does he tee off for each persona and pick the best fairway shot?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    Leon said:

    Magnificent spectacle at Lord’s in the sun. Shame about the cricket

    We're glad to say we're in the UK
    West Indian batsmen can bat all day
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470
    Andy_JS said:

    Crawley goes for 18. Disastrous start for England.

    Its not disastrous. The openers have used up an hour of the openers bowling and added 40 runs. Its not great, but its not 0-2 after 2 balls.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    Andy_JS said:

    Crawley goes for 18. Disastrous start for England.

    Another one caught behind. What is it with Nitish's bowling today?
    Slope at Lords. Not dependent on the ball swinging or nipping of the pitch.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,610
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Chris Mason really is dopey:

    "It's being called a "one-in-one" out deal, although the numbers will be greater than that."

    Yes, Chris. That's what one-in-one-out means. Christ.

    Beth Speech-Impediment was on Sky and explained the potential deal with some unexpected clarity. She said the deal should be good for Starmer, but his critics will misrepresent the "one in one out" condition.
    Yes, they'll be a lot of that.

    I hope it works.

    Although, to expand it to unlimited returns - and therefore to Stop The Boats (and hence the one-in-one-out), the French will insist we agree a long term deal to take some migrants. Otherwise we'll end up with 0 asylum seekers, and France is never going to allow that.
    Well, no, we will have all the asylum seekers that do not cross by boat (60 to 70,000) plus any returned boat crossers one for one with French processed asylees
    Looks like almost all irregular arrivals are by boat now:



    Though 40000 people already here on visas claimed asylum last year too. Including 16000 students.
    Irregular only, sure. I'm including asylum seekers via regular means.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217

    Andy_JS said:

    Crawley goes for 18. Disastrous start for England.

    Its not disastrous. The openers have used up an hour of the openers bowling and added 40 runs. Its not great, but its not 0-2 after 2 balls.
    To be hoped that the Ollie Pope who scores massive hundreds has turned up, not the one who gets out for not-a-lot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,694
    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    I live in rural Cumberland. a couple of weeks ago I was passing through Victoria station and nipped into WHSmith's there. Before me were hundreds and hundreds of magazines, weekly and monthly, all of which I manage without, each with a massive number of pages. Every page, presumably was written by someone. This must furnish almost an infinity of opportunity, but with the downside that almost all of it is boringly specialist or boringly vapid.

    While it would be fun to be the Economist's person in Washington, there must be less demand to be space fillers for the rest. Who on earth would want to do it instead of a proper job?
    Because if you get a job on a specialist magazine and that specialism is YOUR specialism then you can have a fabulous career (for now)

    Eg travel. If you love travel and you get a gig on a travel magazine you will travel. Ditto railways, cars, yoga, interiors, running, tree surgery


    It won’t be very well paid (tho some jobs are) so you will have to duck and dive for extra money elsewhere. BUT it will be 300 times more amusing than the average pointless office job
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,173
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Chris Mason really is dopey:

    "It's being called a "one-in-one" out deal, although the numbers will be greater than that."

    Yes, Chris. That's what one-in-one-out means. Christ.

    Beth Speech-Impediment was on Sky and explained the potential deal with some unexpected clarity. She said the deal should be good for Starmer, but his critics will misrepresent the "one in one out" condition.
    Yes, they'll be a lot of that.

    I hope it works.

    Although, to expand it to unlimited returns - and therefore to Stop The Boats (and hence the one-in-one-out), the French will insist we agree a long term deal to take some migrants. Otherwise we'll end up with 0 asylum seekers, and France is never going to allow that.
    Well, no, we will have all the asylum seekers that do not cross by boat (60 to 70,000) plus any returned boat crossers one for one with French processed asylees
    Looks like almost all irregular arrivals are by boat now:



    Though 40000 people already here on visas claimed asylum last year too. Including 16000 students.
    They're called irregular for a reason.

    There's regular methods.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860
    edited July 10

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!

    Has there ever been a day since the small boats problem started half a decade ago that there have been as many small motor launches filled with journalists in the World's busiest shipping lanes?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,810
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Chris Mason really is dopey:

    "It's being called a "one-in-one" out deal, although the numbers will be greater than that."

    Yes, Chris. That's what one-in-one-out means. Christ.

    Beth Speech-Impediment was on Sky and explained the potential deal with some unexpected clarity. She said the deal should be good for Starmer, but his critics will misrepresent the "one in one out" condition.
    Yes, they'll be a lot of that.

    I hope it works.

    Although, to expand it to unlimited returns - and therefore to Stop The Boats (and hence the one-in-one-out), the French will insist we agree a long term deal to take some migrants. Otherwise we'll end up with 0 asylum seekers, and France is never going to allow that.
    Well, no, we will have all the asylum seekers that do not cross by boat (60 to 70,000) plus any returned boat crossers one for one with French processed asylees
    Looks like almost all irregular arrivals are by boat now:



    Though 40000 people already here on visas claimed asylum last year too. Including 16000 students.
    Whose bright idea was it to pay the French to build walls around the roads to stop, far fewer, migrants coming in as stowaways on lorries and inadvertently creating the boat trade instead?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    An apologist for illegal immigration writes...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,694

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,599
    edited July 10

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Chris Mason really is dopey:

    "It's being called a "one-in-one" out deal, although the numbers will be greater than that."

    Yes, Chris. That's what one-in-one-out means. Christ.

    Beth Speech-Impediment was on Sky and explained the potential deal with some unexpected clarity. She said the deal should be good for Starmer, but his critics will misrepresent the "one in one out" condition.
    Yes, they'll be a lot of that.

    I hope it works.

    Although, to expand it to unlimited returns - and therefore to Stop The Boats (and hence the one-in-one-out), the French will insist we agree a long term deal to take some migrants. Otherwise we'll end up with 0 asylum seekers, and France is never going to allow that.
    Well, no, we will have all the asylum seekers that do not cross by boat (60 to 70,000) plus any returned boat crossers one for one with French processed asylees
    Looks like almost all irregular arrivals are by boat now:



    Though 40000 people already here on visas claimed asylum last year too. Including 16000 students.
    They're called irregular for a reason.

    There's regular methods.
    Figure 1 here, which I can't post since I used my Quota, seems to have some of the system summarised, though it doesn't cover conversions of status like someone already here claiming asylum:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2024/summary-of-latest-statistics
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217
    Leon said:

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
    Me, no. I don't wish that sort of thing on anyone. But I wonder about some here......
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,810

    Andy_JS said:

    Crawley goes for 18. Disastrous start for England.

    Its not disastrous. The openers have used up an hour of the openers bowling and added 40 runs. Its not great, but its not 0-2 after 2 balls.
    To be hoped that the Ollie Pope who scores massive hundreds has turned up, not the one who gets out for not-a-lot.
    He probably has too many cardinal errors in his game to ever reach the initial expectations for his career.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:


    I'm trying to think how I'd handle the situation of a cherished old friend who has fallen into the wrong company and gone bad.

    Would I keep faith, text, write, pick up the phone, still talk, on account of what we had, hoping they'd see sense and we could have it again? I like to think I would. But there'd come a time when if nothing changed I'd have to write them off.

    With America that crux point is the midterms. I'm giving it up to then. That is the last chance saloon for our relationship. If they value it at all, they know what they need to do when they go to the polls. Hand President Donald J Trump his ass on a plate.

    The main problem with the latter is that Trump, or rather the powers behind the throne (Trump is just too incompetent to do this), rig the elections such that Republican/Trump voters are kept enfranchised and other voters are disenfranchised. Or even, that everyone is enfranchised but wouldn't you know it, Trump is given a 10 million vote head start by the click of a button on the voting machines.

    I remain greatly unconvinced the election and results in 2026 will reflect the true feelings of the people in the United States.
    I agree a GOP-rigged election is a risk. However what I think and hope (emphasis on the latter) is the weight of sentiment against Trump by then will be sufficient to sweep over the obstacles.
    Sadly a lot of people in the US are quite happy with the way things are going.
    And will remain so, regardless. It is in many ways a cult after all. But the corruption is vast and sickening and you have to hope a significant number of those who voted for him start to notice and, having noticed, care. If they don't, that's a bleak vision and I dread to think where it leads.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    Andy_JS said:

    Crawley goes for 18. Disastrous start for England.

    Its not disastrous. The openers have used up an hour of the openers bowling and added 40 runs. Its not great, but its not 0-2 after 2 balls.
    To be hoped that the Ollie Pope who scores massive hundreds has turned up, not the one who gets out for not-a-lot.
    Its odd - England have Pope and Crawly who are similar in this regard. A usual series seems to be one or two huge scores and a lot of barely into the teens. Now that can work for a team, but you do need the more reliable scorers in your team too. Happily England have Root, Brook and now Smith who are more consistent (thats my perception, at least).
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,173
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Chris Mason really is dopey:

    "It's being called a "one-in-one" out deal, although the numbers will be greater than that."

    Yes, Chris. That's what one-in-one-out means. Christ.

    Beth Speech-Impediment was on Sky and explained the potential deal with some unexpected clarity. She said the deal should be good for Starmer, but his critics will misrepresent the "one in one out" condition.
    Yes, they'll be a lot of that.

    I hope it works.

    Although, to expand it to unlimited returns - and therefore to Stop The Boats (and hence the one-in-one-out), the French will insist we agree a long term deal to take some migrants. Otherwise we'll end up with 0 asylum seekers, and France is never going to allow that.
    Well, no, we will have all the asylum seekers that do not cross by boat (60 to 70,000) plus any returned boat crossers one for one with French processed asylees
    Looks like almost all irregular arrivals are by boat now:



    Though 40000 people already here on visas claimed asylum last year too. Including 16000 students.
    They're called irregular for a reason.

    There's regular methods.
    Figure 1 here, which I can't post since I used my Quota, seems to have some of the system summarised, though it doesn't cover conversions of status like someone already here claiming asylum:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2024/summary-of-latest-statistics
    So many more people come to the UK for asylum via safe and legal routes than via the boats.

    Not what you'd imagine from some of the extreme comments from people on all sides of the debate here, both those who act like we do nothing when it comes to allowing asylum, and from those who act like boats are everything.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,261
    Leon said:

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
    Just a light drooking to give some much needed gaiety to the nation. It may also be a wake up call to some of the more extreme fanbois to see he cannot in fact walk on water.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,513
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    Yes indeed. One of the glories (I’m serious) of British journalism is that it’s open to raw talent and dogged persistence. You DON’T need a degree and you DON’T need “connections”

    Go out and find a cool story. Write it really well. An editor will publish it, if it is good. That’s it. Then you’re up and running

    Do it enough times and you will become a regular relied-on freelancer or you will be offered a staff job
    Indeed, it’s how that young wordsmith Adrian Chiles managed to get a weekly column in a national newspaper.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    Leon said:

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
    Just a light drooking to give some much needed gaiety to the nation. It may also be a wake up call to some of the more extreme fanbois to see he cannot in fact walk on water.
    A Kinnock style comedy fall on the beach into the water would amuse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    You can. I received an eBay item* last week from someone who told me RM picked up the parcel from their address.

    [*Er, just some old style Transformer toys for my nephew :) ]
    So it was picked up not send over the internet
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217
    edited July 10
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:


    I'm trying to think how I'd handle the situation of a cherished old friend who has fallen into the wrong company and gone bad.

    Would I keep faith, text, write, pick up the phone, still talk, on account of what we had, hoping they'd see sense and we could have it again? I like to think I would. But there'd come a time when if nothing changed I'd have to write them off.

    With America that crux point is the midterms. I'm giving it up to then. That is the last chance saloon for our relationship. If they value it at all, they know what they need to do when they go to the polls. Hand President Donald J Trump his ass on a plate.

    The main problem with the latter is that Trump, or rather the powers behind the throne (Trump is just too incompetent to do this), rig the elections such that Republican/Trump voters are kept enfranchised and other voters are disenfranchised. Or even, that everyone is enfranchised but wouldn't you know it, Trump is given a 10 million vote head start by the click of a button on the voting machines.

    I remain greatly unconvinced the election and results in 2026 will reflect the true feelings of the people in the United States.
    I agree a GOP-rigged election is a risk. However what I think and hope (emphasis on the latter) is the weight of sentiment against Trump by then will be sufficient to sweep over the obstacles.
    Sadly a lot of people in the US are quite happy with the way things are going.
    And will remain so, regardless. It is in many ways a cult after all. But the corruption is vast and sickening and you have to hope a significant number of those who voted for him start to notice and, having noticed, care. If they don't, that's a bleak vision and I dread to think where it leads.
    I am reminded of the time I went as a delegate to a conference in a Southern European state, and our hosts were complaining about the corruption in their government.
    Which wasn't of the party generally sympathetic to our hosts.

    However, as the conversations went on I formed the strong impression that our hosts were not complaining of corruption in principle, just that they were not getting their share.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,638
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:


    I'm trying to think how I'd handle the situation of a cherished old friend who has fallen into the wrong company and gone bad.

    Would I keep faith, text, write, pick up the phone, still talk, on account of what we had, hoping they'd see sense and we could have it again? I like to think I would. But there'd come a time when if nothing changed I'd have to write them off.

    With America that crux point is the midterms. I'm giving it up to then. That is the last chance saloon for our relationship. If they value it at all, they know what they need to do when they go to the polls. Hand President Donald J Trump his ass on a plate.

    The main problem with the latter is that Trump, or rather the powers behind the throne (Trump is just too incompetent to do this), rig the elections such that Republican/Trump voters are kept enfranchised and other voters are disenfranchised. Or even, that everyone is enfranchised but wouldn't you know it, Trump is given a 10 million vote head start by the click of a button on the voting machines.

    I remain greatly unconvinced the election and results in 2026 will reflect the true feelings of the people in the United States.
    I agree a GOP-rigged election is a risk. However what I think and hope (emphasis on the latter) is the weight of sentiment against Trump by then will be sufficient to sweep over the obstacles.
    Sadly a lot of people in the US are quite happy with the way things are going.
    And will remain so, regardless. It is in many ways a cult after all. But the corruption is vast and sickening and you have to hope a significant number of those who voted for him start to notice and, having noticed, care. If they don't, that's a bleak vision and I dread to think where it leads.
    It will end up as a Putinist mafia-state with Trump characteristics. Although I suppose a period of erratic Trump authoritarianism could be followed by a more ordered authoritarianism led by someone else, as Putin came after the chaotic Yeltsin years.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    Looks like we should have stuck to bowling first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    edited July 10

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    FFS

    It's not their Mickey Mouse first degree from Cardiff like mine in politics. It is a prestigious post graduate qualification from a World renowned school of journalism. It compares to whatever you did at Aber, only much, much more prestigious.

    Although after Huw you might have a point.
    If you have an Oxbridge arts or PPE degree you are more likely to get a top top at the BBC or a broadsheet newspaper (and to a lesser extent Sky or ITV) in news or current affairs whether you did a Cardiff journalism course or not.

    Though GB News seems to have much broader range of news presenters and commentators as suits its anti establishment and pro Reform agenda
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,694

    Leon said:

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
    Just a light drooking to give some much needed gaiety to the nation. It may also be a wake up call to some of the more extreme fanbois to see he cannot in fact walk on water.
    “Drooking”. Nice word
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,173
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,603

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    The clickbait articles are going to be all LLM-generated, aren't they?
    Not yet AI but in future, although I suspect an intermediate stage, if it is not already happening, will be the automated scanning of local FB/whatever pages and celeb/fan pages for anything trending.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860
    Leon said:

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
    What is he doing in La Manche anyway? Attempting to escape the country he hates so much on a small boat?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,603
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    Barnett has been promoted to R4’s Today programme which as far as the BBC is concerned is very much the news, though I have ma doots. Barnett’s chortling and gurgling certainly contributes to those doubts.
    Heard an hilarious interview on PM yesterday by Evan Davies of the representative of the Residential Doctors, as we are now supposed to call them.

    He said that "you've used RPI to calculate the shortfall since 2008, why have you not used CPI like everyone else?"
    The answer was, well the government uses RPI for their student loans.
    Not because this gives a higher figure then? What would it be for CPI? "I don't have the figures"
    You must have calculated this to make sure it was not higher? Err, don't have the figures
    It would be about 10% less, yes?
    Why 2008? Peak payment before the financial crash since which many people have suffered a reduction in earnings in real terms?
    Hourly rates quoted: Yes, but that only applies to 1st years doesn't it? Which is about 11% of your membership?
    With the increase this year your wages are up 29% in 3 years. How do you think your public sector colleagues getting 3-4% a year feel about that?

    All perfectly politely. Not aggressive at all. But a complete demolition of their case as presented in just a few minutes. Proper journalism.
    Proper journalism or proper reading of government spin?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,123
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,638

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    The clickbait articles are going to be all LLM-generated, aren't they?
    Not yet AI but in future, although I suspect an intermediate stage, if it is not already happening, will be the automated scanning of local FB/whatever pages and celeb/fan pages for anything trending.
    It looks like there are a fair few scrapers used to take popular content from Reddit and propagate it elsewhere.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,896
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    I live in rural Cumberland. a couple of weeks ago I was passing through Victoria station and nipped into WHSmith's there. Before me were hundreds and hundreds of magazines, weekly and monthly, all of which I manage without, each with a massive number of pages. Every page, presumably was written by someone. This must furnish almost an infinity of opportunity, but with the downside that almost all of it is boringly specialist or boringly vapid.

    While it would be fun to be the Economist's person in Washington, there must be less demand to be space fillers for the rest. Who on earth would want to do it instead of a proper job?
    Because if you get a job on a specialist magazine and that specialism is YOUR specialism then you can have a fabulous career (for now)

    Eg travel. If you love travel and you get a gig on a travel magazine you will travel. Ditto railways, cars, yoga, interiors, running, tree surgery


    It won’t be very well paid (tho some jobs are) so you will have to duck and dive for extra money elsewhere. BUT it will be 300 times more amusing than the average pointless office job
    You are right of course, though I think a tiny point of mine remains.

    My application for witty columnist and whimsical philosophy back page on 'The Magazine of Concrete Research' is not in the post.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    FFS

    It's not their Mickey Mouse first degree from Cardiff like mine in politics. It is a prestigious post graduate qualification from a World renowned school of journalism. It compares to whatever you did at Aber, only much, much more prestigious.

    Although after Huw you might have a point.
    If you have an Oxbridge arts or PPE degree you are more likely to get a top top at the BBC or a broadsheet newspaper (and to a lesser extent Sky or ITV) in news or current affairs whether you did a Cardiff journalism course or not.

    Though GB News seems to have much broader range of news presenters and commentators as suits its anti establishment and pro Reform agenda
    That is simply bollocks. You do not know what you are talking about. You get your Oxbridge first in PPE then you go to Cardiff School of Journalism ( or similar). Just look at the list of alumni. It's a who's who of the woke lamestream media.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,123
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,173
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    It is an online process that is facilitated to your house, no shops involved.

    By your insane logic ordering a parcel on Amazon's website then having them deliver it to you is not done online. Or ordering a pizza Domino's website then having them deliver it to you is not done online.

    If you are dealing with a website, no phone calls, no leaving your house necessary, then it comes to your home, then that is an online service.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,113

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    edited July 10

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    FFS

    It's not their Mickey Mouse first degree from Cardiff like mine in politics. It is a prestigious post graduate qualification from a World renowned school of journalism. It compares to whatever you did at Aber, only much, much more prestigious.

    Although after Huw you might have a point.
    If you have an Oxbridge arts or PPE degree you are more likely to get a top top at the BBC or a broadsheet newspaper (and to a lesser extent Sky or ITV) in news or current affairs whether you did a Cardiff journalism course or not.

    Though GB News seems to have much broader range of news presenters and commentators as suits its anti establishment and pro Reform agenda
    That is simply bollocks. You do not know what you are talking about. You get your Oxbridge first in PPE then you go to Cardiff School of Journalism ( or similar). Just look at the list of alumni. It's a who's who of the woke lamestream media.
    It isn't, look at the ranks of the BBC newsroom and Times and Telegraph and Guardian correspondents with Oxbridge degrees (with or without Cardiff postgrad courses) and compare them to the numbers of non Oxbridge journalists in said media outlets with Cardiff postgrad courses but no Oxbridge degree.

    All you are saying is Cardiff is a journalism finishing school for Oxbridge humanities graduates
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,217
    It's a mistake to become too reliant on any one form of technology imo. If something goes wrong, you don't have a back-up system.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,123

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    FFS

    It's not their Mickey Mouse first degree from Cardiff like mine in politics. It is a prestigious post graduate qualification from a World renowned school of journalism. It compares to whatever you did at Aber, only much, much more prestigious.

    Although after Huw you might have a point.
    If you have an Oxbridge arts or PPE degree you are more likely to get a top top at the BBC or a broadsheet newspaper (and to a lesser extent Sky or ITV) in news or current affairs whether you did a Cardiff journalism course or not.

    Though GB News seems to have much broader range of news presenters and commentators as suits its anti establishment and pro Reform agenda
    That is simply bollocks. You do not know what you are talking about. You get your Oxbridge first in PPE then you go to Cardiff School of Journalism ( or similar). Just look at the list of alumni. It's a who's who of the woke lamestream media.
    @HYUFD not knowing what he is talking about is par for the course
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,113
    Do they realise they will be subject to Trump's tariffs, if they re-import materials from space ?

    Varda Announces $187 million in Series C Funding to Make Medicines in Space
    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/varda-announces-187-million-in-series-c-funding-to-make-medicines-in-space-302502096.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,217
    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    I live in rural Cumberland. a couple of weeks ago I was passing through Victoria station and nipped into WHSmith's there. Before me were hundreds and hundreds of magazines, weekly and monthly, all of which I manage without, each with a massive number of pages. Every page, presumably was written by someone. This must furnish almost an infinity of opportunity, but with the downside that almost all of it is boringly specialist or boringly vapid.

    While it would be fun to be the Economist's person in Washington, there must be less demand to be space fillers for the rest. Who on earth would want to do it instead of a proper job?
    Why is journalism not a proper job.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860

    https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1943239931259707679

    BREAKING: SBU Colonel Ivan Voronych shot dead in Kyiv

    Former Ukrainian MP Ihor Mosiychuk claims that the man seen in the video is indeed Colonel Ivan Voronych of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), who served as a senior operative in the 1st Department of the 16th Directorate of the Special Operations Center.

    According to media reports, an unknown assailant fired five shots at Voronych using a pistol with a suppressor and fled the scene. The 50-year-old man died on the spot.

    One- nil to your team there.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114

    Leon said:

    Sky

    Coastguard responding to multiple incidents in the channel this morning

    I hope Farage is alright!
    Very human of you, and very much against the secret hopes, I suspect, of many here!
    What, you actually want him to drown?!
    Me, no. I don't wish that sort of thing on anyone. But I wonder about some here......
    Well I for one do not wish that. His boat capsizing and him being rescued by a male asylum seeker "of fighting age" would hit the spot though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Processed maybe NOT delivered online
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,828

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    It is an online process that is facilitated to your house, no shops involved.

    By your insane logic ordering a parcel on Amazon's website then having them deliver it to you is not done online. Or ordering a pizza Domino's website then having them deliver it to you is not done online.

    If you are dealing with a website, no phone calls, no leaving your house necessary, then it comes to your home, then that is an online service.
    Yes ordering a pizza online is not delivering it online, unless you have managed to print off a pizza from your printer and eat it?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Processed maybe NOT delivered online
    Amazon delivers music files online.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,703
    edited July 10
    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,123
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    I cannot believe you have asked that idiotic question
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860
    Andy_JS said:

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    I live in rural Cumberland. a couple of weeks ago I was passing through Victoria station and nipped into WHSmith's there. Before me were hundreds and hundreds of magazines, weekly and monthly, all of which I manage without, each with a massive number of pages. Every page, presumably was written by someone. This must furnish almost an infinity of opportunity, but with the downside that almost all of it is boringly specialist or boringly vapid.

    While it would be fun to be the Economist's person in Washington, there must be less demand to be space fillers for the rest. Who on earth would want to do it instead of a proper job?
    Why is journalism not a proper job.
    Well we have our own tame journalist on here and he seems able to post 24/7. My excuse today? I am on my holibobs and there is only 2 and three quarter hours until happy hour!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,638

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
    I think this discussion started with a HYUFD statement along the lines that the postal service is still necessary because they deliver parcels, which aren't delivered to your house via broadband - but it's since devolved to a battle of semantics and will.

    Two of PB's titans in the knocking head on a brick wall contest are engaged in the opening stages of a bout that might last the entire day.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,632

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    A bit sexist.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,703

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
    I think this discussion started with a HYUFD statement along the lines that the postal service is still necessary because they deliver parcels, which aren't delivered to your house via broadband - but it's since devolved to a battle of semantics and will.

    Two of PB's titans in the knocking head on a brick wall contest are engaged in the opening stages of a bout that might last the entire day.
    To stop us all dying of cellular ennui I am putting an end to this discussion and made an editorial ruling that you CAN send parcels online.

    My judgment is impeccable and I will entertain no further discussions about my ruling.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,113
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    Only after you've satisfactorily answered mine.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114
    edited July 10

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Elon Haters gettin riled up on Reddit

    Oh god, is Donald Trump doing Reddit now?

    The guy never seems to be offline.
    I've been on all morning. Where have you been? You only seem to arrive with @Leon. Were you playing golf together?
    Yep, and I caught him cheating again. He takes after the Big Man in more ways than one.
    Does he tee off for each persona and pick the best fairway shot?
    Worse, he kept giving himself 20 foot putts on the grounds he'd "extrapolated" and it was bound to go in. Plus he kept crying out "Muslims!" when I was on my backswing. Just a very trying three and a half hours.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,123

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
    I think this discussion started with a HYUFD statement along the lines that the postal service is still necessary because they deliver parcels, which aren't delivered to your house via broadband - but it's since devolved to a battle of semantics and will.

    Two of PB's titans in the knocking head on a brick wall contest are engaged in the opening stages of a bout that might last the entire day.
    Rest assured I have said all I need to on the subject

    Whether @HYUFD has is another matter
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,703

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    A bit sexist.
    Absolutely not, I don’t have a problem with a woman in a position of power, in fact I’ve never had a problem with a woman in any position.

    (Look at the bottom left of the picture for subtle joke about proper job.)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,810
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Amazon? He is in denial.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    Yes, he went to Cardiff not Oxford when graduates of the latter like Dimbleby Jr and Cambridge dominate national news media, nothing to do with his parentage otherwise
    No. You know nothing!

    ALL those with media ambitions like Susannah Reid, Emma Barnett , Jason Mohammed and many, many more do their post graduate degree at Cardiff School of Journalism. Perhaps you don't need to attend if your dad interviewed Richard Nixon.
    Susannah Reid presents lifestyle and morning programmes and Emma Barnett Woman's Hour and Jason Mohammed Final Score none are allowed to present the news.

    Huw Edwards was ironically one of the few non Oxbridge types to anchor the BBC news and he had a Cardiff degree


    FFS

    It's not their Mickey Mouse first degree from Cardiff like mine in politics. It is a prestigious post graduate qualification from a World renowned school of journalism. It compares to whatever you did at Aber, only much, much more prestigious.

    Although after Huw you might have a point.
    If you have an Oxbridge arts or PPE degree you are more likely to get a top top at the BBC or a broadsheet newspaper (and to a lesser extent Sky or ITV) in news or current affairs whether you did a Cardiff journalism course or not.

    Though GB News seems to have much broader range of news presenters and commentators as suits its anti establishment and pro Reform agenda
    That is simply bollocks. You do not know what you are talking about. You get your Oxbridge first in PPE then you go to Cardiff School of Journalism ( or similar). Just look at the list of alumni. It's a who's who of the woke lamestream media.
    It isn't, look at the ranks of the BBC newsroom and Times and Telegraph and Guardian correspondents with Oxbridge degrees (with or without Cardiff postgrad courses) and compare them to the numbers of non Oxbridge journalists in said media outlets with Cardiff postgrad courses but no Oxbridge degree.

    All you are saying is Cardiff is a journalism finishing school for Oxbridge humanities graduates
    I suppose it kind of is.

    I am hoping by the third term of a Labour Government all this elitism will have been squeezed out of the jobs market.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
    I think this discussion started with a HYUFD statement along the lines that the postal service is still necessary because they deliver parcels, which aren't delivered to your house via broadband - but it's since devolved to a battle of semantics and will.

    Two of PB's titans in the knocking head on a brick wall contest are engaged in the opening stages of a bout that might last the entire day.
    My money is on the pirate!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,113

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Amazon? He is in denial.
    Appears also to be unaware of the existence of Amazon Web Services.
    But I remain hopeful.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,123
    Badenoch in her press conference just now confirms the conservative back the triple lock policy

    Just wrong
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,610
    Is this a good moment to say England look in a really strong position in the test?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,632

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    A bit sexist.
    Absolutely not, I don’t have a problem with a woman in a position of power, in fact I’ve never had a problem with a woman in any position.

    (Look at the bottom left of the picture for subtle joke about proper job.)
    Yeah I saw that, it's one of my favourite beers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,113

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    A bit sexist.
    Opining that politics is not a proper job isn't a sexist stance.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,694

    Is this a good moment to say England look in a really strong position in the test?

    NO!!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    A bit sexist.
    I assume he meant beer sampling?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,810

    Is this a good moment to say England look in a really strong position in the test?

    Depends if you are long or short.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,409
    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I am on holiday in some distant EU hinterland so the only UK News available is Sky. Although I have Sky at home SkyNews is not a channel I watch. But man alive, is it poor?

    My main observation is the Chief Anchor, a characterless droid, is David Frost's son. I also note that David Dimbleby's son is a reporter on ITN. It's not what you know but who you know.

    It’s terrible, luckily the party of the people is absolutely against this nepotism going on in politics.

    https://labourheartlands.com/british-politics-nepotism-cronyism-and-the-failing-democracy/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32234495/labour-nepotism-rachel-reeves-wes-streeting-mcfadden/

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/05/celebrating-labour-party-nepo-babies
    Wow.

    I wasn't being politically partisan. However being as you couldn't resist, the traffic is not all one way. Your future Tory leader could be Aphra Brandreth the daughter of Gyles.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04809/
    Yep, but I don’t really have a problem with nepotism, it’s been the case for most of humanity that people follow their family trades and get into roles and places because of their family connections - generations of farmers sons becoming farmers, children of teachers becoming teachers, lawyers the same, politicians was ever thus, look at the Romans.

    I don’t think newsreaders following their parents footsteps is remotely an issue. More of a problem when BBC presenters write books which are then pushed on every BBC programme for example.
    It’s anti aspiration, it leads to a de facto caste system.
    Will you be encouraging or discouraging your children to go into law?
    I will support whatever they choose, I’ve told them if they work hard they can achieve anything, look at me, the grandson of humble immigrants and how much I’ve achieved with hard work.

    FWIW my eldest is thinking about becoming a doctor like his grandfather, my youngest is thinking about something physics/maths/F1 related, like me he loves physics, numbers, and F1.

    I’ve told them if they are lazy, only the University of Oxford will accept them and they’ll spend the rest of their lives flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    Absolutely right, and I would do the same but criticising people for following their parents’ careers is a bit blinkered as, in that case, we have no idea if Sir David Frost told his boy “you must become a journalist or else” or he put him in a position to choose their own way with the best possible preparation and he chose journalism as he had seen it from the inside and liked what he saw.

    It’s very easy to cry “nepotism” but usually it’s a lot less sinister than nepotism implies.
    I have skin in this game. My son has a distinction in his MA from the very prestigious Cardiff School of Journalism, but his dad is a scumbag filth pessant. Up against even a tongue tied media royalty Dimbleby, the Dimbleby gets the gig.

    My lad is doing OK, but all the cards are stacked against him.
    I wish your son well but I never understand why people do degrees in journalism. You can learn the skills of the trade in a few weeks. And on the job

    And most of it is raw talent. A nose for a story and the ability to tell it. I would never advise anyone to “study” journalism
    My best mate shunned Sixth Form in favour of weekdays in the Magistrate Courts, week nights and ends watching non-league football, and second and third tier RL, and attempting to receive payment for anything that he saw worthy of reporting.
    He ended up commentating on the World Cup.
    I get the impression a lot of the newer Racing Post writers have journalism degrees. One big problem with journalism as a career is the demise of local papers and increasingly chain publishers paying a pittance for clickbait articles. ETA that's two.
    I live in rural Cumberland. a couple of weeks ago I was passing through Victoria station and nipped into WHSmith's there. Before me were hundreds and hundreds of magazines, weekly and monthly, all of which I manage without, each with a massive number of pages. Every page, presumably was written by someone. This must furnish almost an infinity of opportunity, but with the downside that almost all of it is boringly specialist or boringly vapid.

    While it would be fun to be the Economist's person in Washington, there must be less demand to be space fillers for the rest. Who on earth would want to do it instead of a proper job?
    In my late teens (so 20ish years ago now) I ran a collection of scruffy old Land Rovers. At the time there were four glossy magazines devoted to them. I wrote a few peices for a couple of them, based on little more then ringing their offices and verbally pitching some ideas to a sub editor.
    I had to supply words and pictures, and it was a lottery how much space they used your material to fill, but it was usually £100/page and usually you got at least three. Nice money for a broke teenager.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    In fairness to both sides there's a very considerable amount of hair-splitting here. Big G is right when he says that all the COMMUNICATION ..... ordering, paying, advice of delivery time..... plus, probably the selection and packing in the warehouse is on-line. HYUFD is, though, right when he points out the actual delivery of the 'thing' is a physical act which requires a person to walk up one's front door with a parcel.

    We have not, AFAIK, reached the stage where one's 3D printer can be accessed by Amazon to print off the required object.
    Yet, maybe.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860

    Badenoch in her press conference just now confirms the conservative back the triple lock policy

    Just wrong

    Farage will come around too. When it comes down to stopping the boats or voters ordering that third cruise, they'll know which side their bread is buttered
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    "Well, I don't really know!"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,610
    Leon said:

    Is this a good moment to say England look in a really strong position in the test?

    NO!!
    Id be amazed if Pope and Root arent on centuries by tea though against these pie throwers
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    In fairness to both sides there's a very considerable amount of hair-splitting here. Big G is right when he says that all the COMMUNICATION ..... ordering, paying, advice of delivery time..... plus, probably the selection and packing in the warehouse is on-line. HYUFD is, though, right when he points out the actual delivery of the 'thing' is a physical act which requires a person to walk up one's front door with a parcel.

    We have not, AFAIK, reached the stage where one's 3D printer can be accessed by Amazon to print off the required object.
    Yet, maybe.
    Amazon delivers music files online.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    In fairness to both sides there's a very considerable amount of hair-splitting here. Big G is right when he says that all the COMMUNICATION ..... ordering, paying, advice of delivery time..... plus, probably the selection and packing in the warehouse is on-line. HYUFD is, though, right when he points out the actual delivery of the 'thing' is a physical act which requires a person to walk up one's front door with a parcel.

    We have not, AFAIK, reached the stage where one's 3D printer can be accessed by Amazon to print off the required object.
    Yet, maybe.
    Star Trek level tech where a gizmo just creates the required item (including, apparently) whisky. No way that malt is aged...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,950

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    Check your change. The one on the right can’t count.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
    I think this discussion started with a HYUFD statement along the lines that the postal service is still necessary because they deliver parcels, which aren't delivered to your house via broadband - but it's since devolved to a battle of semantics and will.

    Two of PB's titans in the knocking head on a brick wall contest are engaged in the opening stages of a bout that might last the entire day.
    My money is on the pirate!
    Savvy?!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    Check your change. The one on the right can’t count.
    And the one on the left can't be trusted to give an honest account of where she was living
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,610

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    "Well, I don't really know!"
    That was Mavis and Rita in the shop, not the Rovers
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Amazon? He is in denial.
    One is a river in South America, the other is a river in Africa.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,774

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    In fairness to both sides there's a very considerable amount of hair-splitting here. Big G is right when he says that all the COMMUNICATION ..... ordering, paying, advice of delivery time..... plus, probably the selection and packing in the warehouse is on-line. HYUFD is, though, right when he points out the actual delivery of the 'thing' is a physical act which requires a person to walk up one's front door with a parcel.

    We have not, AFAIK, reached the stage where one's 3D printer can be accessed by Amazon to print off the required object.
    Yet, maybe.
    Amazon delivers music files online.
    And books + videos.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,603

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    By hand to your door is online.

    You don't need to go to a shop/post office/postbox.
    No it isn't, you may order it online but it is delivered by hand not over the internet like email
    What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
    I think this discussion started with a HYUFD statement along the lines that the postal service is still necessary because they deliver parcels, which aren't delivered to your house via broadband - but it's since devolved to a battle of semantics and will.

    Two of PB's titans in the knocking head on a brick wall contest are engaged in the opening stages of a bout that might last the entire day.
    To stop us all dying of cellular ennui I am putting an end to this discussion and made an editorial ruling that you CAN send parcels online.

    My judgment is impeccable and I will entertain no further discussions about my ruling.
    Ah, but can you receive parcels online? Perhaps ‘hybrid’ is the correct term for parcels of pizza.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,615

    Badenoch in her press conference just now confirms the conservative back the triple lock policy

    Just wrong

    She doesn't exactly have a lot of choice. The over 70s are the only reliable voters the tories have. To chase younger voters they are going to have to recant brexit and acknowledge it as peccatum originale which they don't seem quite ready to do.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,217

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    Check your change. The one on the right can’t count.
    Change? I buy my beer by card. Series of £4.80's on the statement.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,638

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Why would anyone us Royal Mail????? target for first class now only 90pc and second class will turn up when they can fit it in...

    Why would anyone use snail mail?

    Emails are free and instantaneous.

    I don't think I've posted any letters in years, only parcels.
    To send a birthday card, Christmas cards, postcards etc. Lots of companies still use it for bills.

    Plus of course Royal Mail also send parcels and are the only company with the network to cover even the most remote rural areas, even Amazon use Royal Mail for the final mile and the only company that provides the universal service obligation so it costs the same to post to a rural hamlet as an inner city
    I'm curious if there's an age split on the sending of cards. The only people I know who send cards nowadays are either old people, or young fogies who are old at heart.

    My wife and I don't send or expect cards, with the exception of family living overseas. The only people we get cards for are people whom we're close enough to see in person to celebrate their birthday/Christmas and we'll give the cards in person then.

    If you're not close enough to see them in person, why send a card?

    Don't send postcards to anyone. My wife will upload pictures to Facebook which family and friends can keep in touch with. I mostly just don't bother.
    Yes so older people still send cards and will use RM to send them. I tend to send online Christmas cards now and put holiday pictures on Facebook too but my parents still send Christmas and birthday cards and postcards by post. I also send birthday cards by post still and if the friend or relative having the birthday is not nearby and it is not a big birthday we won't see them in person for it
    My family have stopped sending all cards

    We tend to express happy birthday, anniversary etc on our Whats app or facebook pages

    Most everything we do today is by e mail and bcs payments

    Indeed my daughters house sale and purchase, plus survey is done entirely by e mail

    We receive virtually no post and to be honest, for a couple of oldies, we are quite proud how we have embraced modern tech communications
    You still can't send parcels online
    Yes, you can

    Many parcel companies offer an online service to book and collect from your home
    So as I said you can't send parcels online, you have to get them collected and delivered even on that example
    What a bizarre response

    As has been said by other posters you book online and it is collected

    Amazon is an online company who deliver to your door

    Are you saying they are not an online business

    I really do wonder about your thought processes
    So as I said the parcels are not sent online are they? You cannot send a parcel over the internet it has to be collected and delivered by hand
    The parcels are processed online and it is an online service

    Sadly you have a real problem when you lose an argument which is well known across this forum
    Leave him alone.

    I'm looking forward to an explanation of how Amazon can conduct its business without the internet.
    Please give me one example where a parcel is ordered online from Amazon and sent to the recipient online and the parcel is then printed off by the recipient with no need for a deliverer?
    In fairness to both sides there's a very considerable amount of hair-splitting here. Big G is right when he says that all the COMMUNICATION ..... ordering, paying, advice of delivery time..... plus, probably the selection and packing in the warehouse is on-line. HYUFD is, though, right when he points out the actual delivery of the 'thing' is a physical act which requires a person to walk up one's front door with a parcel.

    We have not, AFAIK, reached the stage where one's 3D printer can be accessed by Amazon to print off the required object.
    Yet, maybe.
    Amazon delivers music files online.
    They don't appear to sell STL files for 3d printing, which feels like a weird lacuna.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,470

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    Check your change. The one on the right can’t count.
    Change? I buy my beer by card. Series of £4.80's on the statement.
    In London that's half pints...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,114

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:


    I'm trying to think how I'd handle the situation of a cherished old friend who has fallen into the wrong company and gone bad.

    Would I keep faith, text, write, pick up the phone, still talk, on account of what we had, hoping they'd see sense and we could have it again? I like to think I would. But there'd come a time when if nothing changed I'd have to write them off.

    With America that crux point is the midterms. I'm giving it up to then. That is the last chance saloon for our relationship. If they value it at all, they know what they need to do when they go to the polls. Hand President Donald J Trump his ass on a plate.

    The main problem with the latter is that Trump, or rather the powers behind the throne (Trump is just too incompetent to do this), rig the elections such that Republican/Trump voters are kept enfranchised and other voters are disenfranchised. Or even, that everyone is enfranchised but wouldn't you know it, Trump is given a 10 million vote head start by the click of a button on the voting machines.

    I remain greatly unconvinced the election and results in 2026 will reflect the true feelings of the people in the United States.
    I agree a GOP-rigged election is a risk. However what I think and hope (emphasis on the latter) is the weight of sentiment against Trump by then will be sufficient to sweep over the obstacles.
    Sadly a lot of people in the US are quite happy with the way things are going.
    And will remain so, regardless. It is in many ways a cult after all. But the corruption is vast and sickening and you have to hope a significant number of those who voted for him start to notice and, having noticed, care. If they don't, that's a bleak vision and I dread to think where it leads.
    I am reminded of the time I went as a delegate to a conference in a Southern European state, and our hosts were complaining about the corruption in their government.
    Which wasn't of the party generally sympathetic to our hosts.

    However, as the conversations went on I formed the strong impression that our hosts were not complaining of corruption in principle, just that they were not getting their share.
    Yes, there's always that cynical but valid point. But this stuff in the US now is off the scale.

    As it happens I caught a clip of Christopher Hitchens the other day, back in his 1990s lefty prime, excoriating Bill Clinton for being such a shabby, mendacious, toxic individual. It was great stuff. And I couldn't help thinking, god if he was that down on WJC what on earth would he have made of Donald Trump. It would surely have tested even him to come up with the words. Extrapolating from his Clinton diatribe you'd think mere words (his stock in trade) couldn't do it. Only a thunderous twisted face and a bottomless howl of anguish would meet the moment.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,599
    Britain has a serious mawkishness problem:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygv2n8jy2o

    "Huggable piece of Sycamore Gap tree to go on permanent display."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,860

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    "Well, I don't really know!"
    That was Mavis and Rita in the shop, not the Rovers
    The PB fact police arrest a decent enough gag, again.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,951

    I’ve found proper jobs for Ange and Rach.



    "Well, I don't really know!"
    That was Mavis and Rita in the shop, not the Rovers
    Talking about misremembering stuff, I could have sworn Les Dennis gave Mave a Leeds/Hull accent with the "Dern't" and "Kner", but just looking back on some Youtube clips - he didn't!
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